Rams acquire #1 pick, Massive haul for Titans (1 Viewer)

[FUBAR]

Sorry, 3/5 were first rounders.  Ingram was 28th (though at least at the start of the season Spiller was the backup, and he was taken 9th - but he sucked).  Melvin Gordon was taken #15, but he sucked.  And to start the season Chris Johnson was the starting RB, and he was taken #24 in his class (though had folks known he was a 2,000 yard back he likely would have gone earlier).  I don't know why folks are asking about RBs, though - maybe I should go back and read the thread.

the original point was that the Browns would have been better off taking AD instead of Joe Thomas. 

Your point about passing yards is interesting reference LTs, but IMO the bigger point would be to look at the Super Bowl teams and assess J-Stew / CJA / Hillman and see if you can spot a trend among how good the RB has to be, or the LT has to be, to be highly successful.  But then when we look back and see a 3rd round QB and 6th round QB become among the best in the league (and among the best ever), we probably need to stop using "top 15 pick" as a metric. 

 

[stbugs]

Sorry, 3/5 were first rounders.  Ingram was 28th (though at least at the start of the season Spiller was the backup, and he was taken 9th - but he sucked).  Melvin Gordon was taken #15, but he sucked.  And to start the season Chris Johnson was the starting RB, and he was taken #24 in his class (though had folks known he was a 2,000 yard back he likely would have gone earlier).  I don't know why folks are asking about RBs, though - maybe I should go back and read the thread.

It's morphed and not really relevant. I started it with Bracie because he crowed about how he was able to see the RB devaluation trend before it happened and then threw in a comment about how Tomlinson and Peterson has zero to minimal impact on their teams making the playoffs. I told him he was wrong and that I would much rather have a rookie LT/ADP over a rookie Joe Thomas and how the former had 10 playoff appearances to Thomas' 0. I also showed how ridiculous his statement was with the 2012 Vikings and how with Ponder and crap at WR along with a mediocre (14th scoring D), Peterson basically took the Vikings to the playoffs himself, i.e. not zero impact.

I think he then said would you ever take a RB over a HOF Left Tackle, which wasn't the point. It was Joe Thomas over LT/ADP and I would go those two all day over Thomas.

 

[massraider]

Certainly having more picks and early round picks can turn a franchise around. My only concern for Titans fans is they haven't exactly hit it out of the park with they drafts in recent years. Over the past 10 seasons, here were all their picks in Rounds 1-3.

2006
3 QB Vince Young
45 RB LenDale White

2007
19 DB Michael Griffin
50 RB Chris Henry
80 WR Paul Williams

2008
24 RB Chris Johnson
54 DE Jason Jones
85 TE Craig Stevens

2009
30 WR Kenny Britt
62 DT Sen'Drick Marks
89 TE Jared Cook
94 DB Ryan Mouton

2010
16 DE Derrick Morgan
77 WR Damien Williams
97 LB Rennie Curran

2011
8 QB Jake Locker
39 LB Akeem Ayers
77 DT Jurrell Casey

2012
20 WR Kendall Wright
52 LB Zach Brown
82 DT Mike Martin

2013
10 G Chance Warmack
34 WR Justin Hunter
70 DB Blidi Wreh-Wilson
97 LB Zaviar Gooden

2014
11 T Talyor Lewan
54 RB Bishop Sankey

2015
2 QB Marcus Mariota
40 Dorial Green-Beckham
66 G Jeremiah Poutasi

Obviously not every pick is going to be a future HOFer, and the verdict is still out on some of the more recent picks. But overall I can't help but think that the Titans should have come away with some better players out of those drafts.

No relevance.  People that made the picks are gone.  New GM, without a track record, so he gets a clean slate. 

Robinson is not more likely to eff up the draft because the people he replaced didn't draft well.  

 

[FUBAR]

No relevance.  People that made the picks are gone.  New GM, without a track record, so he gets a clean slate. 

Robinson is not more likely to eff up the draft because the people he replaced didn't draft well.  

While I agree with your main point - Robinson isn't those guys; we can't assume these picks all pan out or half of them will make a true impact. 

 

[Bri]

Amazing job by a brand spanking new GM. In a brief time, he's shown intelligence and tact. I really appreciate Robinson. Coming out and saying an almost apology that he would be using smoke screens, not overspending...I'm impressed with him thus far. 

Fish continues to be involved with TEN and/or their players this many years later. Signed Coty, made this trade. Heh 30 other teams coach!

The Titans love Tunsil and Ramsey. In a perfect world they want both and Robinson will figure out how to trade up and get both. I don't think that's possible. 

15 is too far down for the top T they want. Stanley and Tunsil are the prime ones. Many think 10 is a mark where Stanley will go, so I could see that.

For a few weeks, Lewan has been the recent subject of message board fan sitting at home rumored trades-not one reporter stating it. The curious thing was they had a gigantic banner of him on the side of the stadium and took it down a couple days ago. It was hmmm...but I still don't at all think he's going anywhere.

The Titans went from one of the all time best OL coaches to the Bucs backup OL coach. The entire line suffered. Lewan was excellent as a rookie. I honestly don't think these rookies are better than him. He played RT, RG, five? snaps at LG, and then LT as a rookie. "That's not chopped liver." JJ Watt gave him the ultimate compliment as a rook when (since he was allowed to choose where he lined up) he got stopped several times and went away from Lewan. He definitely struggled in year two. A zillion NFL players do and they did not have a coach that could help him. I don't think that's all on him like some big bad downgrade but more 'growing pains.' Like I said, the Titans also saw all the other linemen play worse except UDFA Spain whom you could argue wasn't even coached all that much in camp. They have a new OL coach and interviewed each of the best OL coaches available. I wanted the Giants guy but...whatever they got a good one. That's real significant. Lewan has amazing feet. I've always been taught to watch the feet with linemen and...his are some of the best. He danced in 2014 and was stuck in concrete in 2015 so that makes me extremely confident there's something fixable there. Again though- what a prospect to show up capable of filling in at four OL positions. He won over any critic and Whis made him a captain a bit prematurely and a bit out of place. There's a certain 'cut' to OL that are made captains. It's not like QB where it's common. It was odd to make him as such his second year and Mularkey took that away as one of his first points of change.

Poutasi was a fine college T and physically should be a fine NFL T. He's very young. He's 22 this year. He did fine in preseason. When he got next to the up N down Warmack, he couldn't compensate when Warmack was 'down' and he struggled. When he faced top DEs he got flat out beat. Mularkey switched him to G and said he was out of position. Is he? Was he? See if they had a good OL coach that never would have happened. That's even rather pathetic.

Spain is a beast more than a well skilled OL. He'll fight you if need be. He was supposedly a T or G. He played the final seven games and only allowed a half sack total. That's excellent.

Bell has been a LT and RT his whole career and the Titans were playing him at LG to start the year.

They signed a journeyman G and played him at C.

They drafted a Boston College C which should have been fine like every BC center before him, but he was curiously bad. They switched him to G. There's more n more here with switching...

Before the GM really got his feet wet, Tunsil was the assumed pick and Lewan was moving to RT.

Since the GM has gotten comfy and since the new OL coach has too-all this movement stopped. Like HOLD ON!

I guarantee at some point Robinson got people together and said 'stop, tell me what we've got here. Let's discuss what we really truly have and what positions they play. I see this, what do you see?'

THEN

They seemed different and focused. They signed the Texans guy who wasn't on anyone's list of stellar free agents. He (grew up listening to Ozzy?)literally bites heads off things or somesuch making him quite a freak but...he does that AND Watt considers him a very good C? Aww geesh I like it. Fine, Freak out DL...whatever as long as it works. 

There's much more after time to review that very much matches fans and writers opinions-

Griffin gone. Knew that was coming. Rashad Johnson is no spring chicken. He is a fill-in or a trainer for a young S but the position is settled for 2016 if they want it to be. 

Bell got re-signed after months of zero interest. There ya go, wait and re-sign guys after reviewing film. He's cheap and that's fine depth.

Murray was relatively cheap and I liked that move.

They added CBs and LBs that were cheap. They have one genuine starting CB in Perrish Cox, otherwise they have either under-performing talents like McCourty and Bleeding or journeymen UDFA quality. The 'fight' for depth spots should be nice, very good setup by the GM. They still lack a stud. They got destroyed by opposing stud WRs and need to counter. This is a definite draft need.

They don't have a Polamalu, Woodson, Lake athlete to play the role as such but play some general S role. Not ideal for a Lebeau D.

They have a couple excellent UDFA LBs who fared well in limited playing time and preseason as rooks. Bass was cut and picked up off waivers and that guy must love Lebeau because he fits in his system beautifully. They have two drafted LBs that have been hurt and not played and are average to less than average thus far. Signing these depth LBers is camp competition. None of them will start. Like the guy from the Packers that has started at OLB ILB and was a college DE. Umm that's useful, new toy for Lebeau. Orakpo and Morgan and Avery are top level linebackers. Avery is the only one that hasn't made a pro bowl, but that day is coming. There's only one ILB spot that could even be won out by this very large crop of backup LBs. They had it filled on paper in Zach Brown but he didn't pan out. Where those picks are- it is possible a top ILB falls to them and they fill this spot.

A switch to the 3-4 made Sam Hill and Al Woods curiously injury prone. Woods re-signed, Hill was not. They drafted Angelo Blackson who is quite athletic for a big dude but they played him at End and llllloved his athleticism and the difficulty teams had blocking his big athletic frame. That's all well n good but he's yet another without a position. I get it, he played TE and caught a TD in preseason no NT should be that nimble but where's the human wall that anchors the 3-4 at NT? Opposing teams had their way running up the middle. Avery got to them well and Casey moved inside on rushing downs but they got their 4 yards per carry pretty easily. This is a giant need and this draft is rich in DL prospects. They could draft a DE AND a NT.

I still think Chance Warmack could be traded. 1st round super athletic G but up N down, still plays like a rookie. I don't know what they'd get but if it's decent I really think it's possible. A throw-in on a trade up scenario? I don't know. The right OL coach though would be teased by his athleticism in a trade.

Sankey and Cobb could both be traded without a blink.

Kendall Wright and McCourty make 7 mil and neither are worth it. The Titans are not pressed for money but have tons of cap space. Still on a different team, those two would be cut or traded to free up room. I am a fan of Wright's but gotta admit the last two years have not been good. 

Every single WR regressed under Whis and none performed as expected. 

Hunter could be traded. I've stated before, he literally did everything Whis wanted and ...I think he'll still be a good one. It does however seem he could be a good one on a new team.

They've had a curiously large interest in Sheppard. They don't need another WR. There's a hmmm here. 

6th? 5th? RB Fluellen is a fine 4th string runner. He is like Andrews, a yes coach guy that gives his all. So many Titans coaches have complimented him the last couple years. He's no starter, make that clear, but if a sandwich is offered in trade for Sankey or Cobb they are still fine.

A month? ago when Whitehair wowed the world and got all the press for a day or two, they were part of that love. He did look awesome and I would not be surprised if he is quietly a target of theirs. Then, almost definitely, Warmack is gone. Things have been surprisingly quiet since that day, from all teams on Whitehair. 

Nikemdiche has long been a target of theirs and he is going anywhere from 1st to early 2nd. Same with OK State DE Ogbah. 

Titans have Jaylon Smith on their radar. If all there's any "freedom" to take a try at someone, it'll be him. He's the well publicized awesome talent, no he's got nerve damage, no he's fine, well we're not sure LB talent. On the radio, Cosell raved about him absolutely raved.

The Jaguars seem set to pick Myles Jack and the Ravens seem set to take whatever falls to them and be thrilled with a top player. The best trade up opportunity though has to be the Cowboys. They don't "have to have" any of these top prospects as they are a good team. Tunsil would even seem almost an odd pick for their team. Adding more picks would be sweet for them.

 

[matttyl]

IMO the bigger point would be to look at the Super Bowl teams and assess J-Stew

For whatever it's worth, this guy was a top 15 pick....

 

[Bri]

Agree. Should've added "without giving up what they got in the trade with the Rams." The #3 pick is now almost the equal to the #1(for non QB needy teams) before the trade went down since it's 99% likely two QB's go 1 and 2.

Whisenhunt added Lewan his first year. If they add Tunsil it'll seem similar

 

[stbugs]

the original point was that the Browns would have been better off taking AD instead of Joe Thomas. 

Your point about passing yards is interesting reference LTs, but IMO the bigger point would be to look at the Super Bowl teams and assess J-Stew / CJA / Hillman and see if you can spot a trend among how good the RB has to be, or the LT has to be, to be highly successful.  But then when we look back and see a 3rd round QB and 7th round QB become among the best in the league (and among the best ever), we probably need to stop using "top 15 pick" as meaning anything.

Really? First, Brady was a 6th round pick and those are exceptions. If you really dive into the details, having a 1st round QB, including the #1 overall can be a big indicator to making and/or winning the Super Bowl. I've done it before and posted it in here, but the 1st rounder way over match the 3rd and 6th rounders. Montana, Brady and Bart Starr were great, but they were the needle in the haystack to the Roethlisberger, P. Manning, Aikman, Elway, Newton, E. Manning, Grossman (he was a 1st rounder!), Dilfer, Collins, McNair, Kelly, Rodgers, Williams, Simms, Morton, Morrall, Namath, Griese, Kilmer, Bradshaw, Young, etc. Heck, Brees was the 1st pick of the 2nd round, but 32nd overall and Favre was the 6th pick of the 2nd, but the 33rd overall pick. Also, Staubach was a 10th rounder, but that was due to his military commitment, without that he was 100% a 1st rounder.

 

[massraider]

While I agree with your main point - Robinson isn't those guys; we can't assume these picks all pan out or half of them will make a true impact. 

Half.  That's the realistic goal.  Half the picks pan out, and you have a very good team.  

That's why the increase in draft picks is huge.  Teams have three premium picks.  One or two pan out, and they are happy.  Titans suddenly have 11 or 12 premium picks over the next two years.  Massive.  

 

[maf005]

Certainly having more picks and early round picks can turn a franchise around. My only concern for Titans fans is they haven't exactly hit it out of the park with they drafts in recent years. Over the past 10 seasons, here were all their picks in Rounds 1-3.

2006
3 QB Vince Young
45 RB LenDale White

2007
19 DB Michael Griffin
50 RB Chris Henry
80 WR Paul Williams

2008
24 RB Chris Johnson
54 DE Jason Jones
85 TE Craig Stevens

2009
30 WR Kenny Britt
62 DT Sen'Drick Marks
89 TE Jared Cook
94 DB Ryan Mouton

2010
16 DE Derrick Morgan
77 WR Damien Williams
97 LB Rennie Curran

2011
8 QB Jake Locker
39 LB Akeem Ayers
77 DT Jurrell Casey

2012
20 WR Kendall Wright
52 LB Zach Brown
82 DT Mike Martin

2013
10 G Chance Warmack
34 WR Justin Hunter
70 DB Blidi Wreh-Wilson
97 LB Zaviar Gooden

2014
11 T Talyor Lewan
54 RB Bishop Sankey

2015
2 QB Marcus Mariota
40 Dorial Green-Beckham
66 G Jeremiah Poutasi

Obviously not every pick is going to be a future HOFer, and the verdict is still out on some of the more recent picks. But overall I can't help but think that the Titans should have come away with some better players out of those drafts.

Missing on this many picks is a league-wide issue and not specific to Tennessee

 

[Bri]

Really? First, Brady was a 6th round pick and those are exceptions. If you really dive into the details, having a 1st round QB, including the #1 overall can be a big indicator to making and/or winning the Super Bowl. I've done it before and posted it in here, but the 1st rounder way over match the 3rd and 6th rounders. Montana, Brady and Bart Starr were great, but they were the needle in the haystack to the Roethlisberger, P. Manning, Aikman, Elway, Newton, E. Manning, Grossman (he was a 1st rounder!), Dilfer, Collins, McNair, Kelly, Rodgers, Williams, Simms, Morton, Morrall, Namath, Griese, Kilmer, Bradshaw, Young, etc. Heck, Brees was the 1st pick of the 2nd round, but 32nd overall and Favre was the 6th pick of the 2nd, but the 33rd overall pick. Also, Staubach was a 10th rounder, but that was due to his military commitment, without that he was 100% a 1st rounder.

I don't think this debate ends. LT and RB are both important. 

I also think while we only discuss "big game" success for QBs, it's important for LT and RB too. Some of these journeymen types without the success have come through for their teams in the playoffs and ultimately it appears that's all those teams care about-post-season results.

 

[massraider]

People need to stop trying to shoehorn in a tackle for TEN in the 1st round.  

Just because a bunch of bloggers put Tunsil #1 doesn't mean that TEN front office is burning the midnight oil trying to figure out how to move Lewan to right tackle.  

STOP READING MOCK DRAFTS.  Or do your own mock.  Think outside the box.  Everyone does NOT KNOW what everyone knows.  Christ.

 

[FUBAR]

For whatever it's worth, this guy was a top 15 pick....

sure.  Lynch was also taken high.  The others weren't.  Funny thing, the Broncos LT was taken 1 pick before Stew.

 

[stbugs]

Missing on this many picks is a league-wide issue and not specific to Tennessee

It is what keeps some teams at the bottom and keeps the good teams with good GMs at the top. I love Dave Gettleman and hope he stays here forever. Here's his 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders since he came on board and keep in mind he's also taken us out of salary cap hell:

2013: 1st Star Lotulelei, 2nd Kawann Short

2014: 1st Kelvin Benjamin, 2nd Kony Ealy, 3rd Trai Turner

2015: 1st Shaq Thompson, 2nd Devin Funchess

In our 2016 lineup, that is basically going to be 7 of 7 starters including 2 pro-bowlers and 6 of 7 high impact players (Funchess will be a starter this year, but still 3rd or 4th fiddle).

 

[Bri]

Certainly having more picks and early round picks can turn a franchise around. My only concern for Titans fans is they haven't exactly hit it out of the park with they drafts in recent years. Over the past 10 seasons, here were all their picks in Rounds 1-3.

2006
3 QB Vince Young
45 RB LenDale White

2007
19 DB Michael Griffin
50 RB Chris Henry
80 WR Paul Williams

2008
24 RB Chris Johnson
54 DE Jason Jones
85 TE Craig Stevens

2009
30 WR Kenny Britt
62 DT Sen'Drick Marks
89 TE Jared Cook
94 DB Ryan Mouton

2010
16 DE Derrick Morgan
77 WR Damien Williams
97 LB Rennie Curran

2011
8 QB Jake Locker
39 LB Akeem Ayers
77 DT Jurrell Casey

2012
20 WR Kendall Wright
52 LB Zach Brown
82 DT Mike Martin

2013
10 G Chance Warmack
34 WR Justin Hunter
70 DB Blidi Wreh-Wilson
97 LB Zaviar Gooden

2014
11 T Talyor Lewan
54 RB Bishop Sankey

2015
2 QB Marcus Mariota
40 Dorial Green-Beckham
66 G Jeremiah Poutasi

Obviously not every pick is going to be a future HOFer, and the verdict is still out on some of the more recent picks. But overall I can't help but think that the Titans should have come away with some better players out of those drafts.

A chunk of these is coaching turnover.

Akeem Ayers is a glorious cat N mouse game by the Pats out-smarting the ol' Titans GM. They got more in compensation than they gave up to get him. He probably starts for the Rams this year. 

The Jaguars love Sen Derrick Marks. And he was a stupid pick. Excellent college player but "too small." He did very well for them in preseason and was eventually cut for being "too small" yet there is the too small guy doing well for Jax. Why did they bother? Very much like Blount who was in their camp. They knew exactly what they were getting then let him go for being exactly what he was. Dopey. Bucs and Pats have enjoyed that oops.

Gooden was beat out by two UDFAs-a nice problem.

Zach Brown couldn't take the losing and mouthed off. It's curious that's uncommon. I bet he does well in Buff. He is one of the fastest NFL LBs and looked excellent his rookie year.

CJ was a sweet pick.

Jason Jones, Jared Cook, and Griffin are still in the league. Griffin was an excellent pick. Started 8? years...that's what ya want.

Martin and Bleeding should get cut this year so last a few years, get cut...sadly normal NFL average.

TE Stevens I adore as do many Titans fans. Just before this they nailed a third round pick on Stewart whom was an excellent RT for years. There's a definite benefit to having Munchak evaluate blockers. They hit on 3rd rounders whereas most teams are 50/50. He's gone and they seem to miss.

Just playing devil's advocate. From the start of this, they're onto their 3rd GM and 4th coach so yeah a lot of turnover and bad results.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Certainly having more picks and early round picks can turn a franchise around. My only concern for Titans fans is they haven't exactly hit it out of the park with they drafts in recent years. Over the past 10 seasons, here were all their picks in Rounds 1-3.

2006
3 QB Vince Young
45 RB LenDale White

2007
19 DB Michael Griffin
50 RB Chris Henry
80 WR Paul Williams

2008
24 RB Chris Johnson
54 DE Jason Jones
85 TE Craig Stevens

2009
30 WR Kenny Britt
62 DT Sen'Drick Marks
89 TE Jared Cook
94 DB Ryan Mouton

2010
16 DE Derrick Morgan
77 WR Damien Williams
97 LB Rennie Curran

2011
8 QB Jake Locker
39 LB Akeem Ayers
77 DT Jurrell Casey

2012
20 WR Kendall Wright
52 LB Zach Brown
82 DT Mike Martin

2013
10 G Chance Warmack
34 WR Justin Hunter
70 DB Blidi Wreh-Wilson
97 LB Zaviar Gooden

2014
11 T Talyor Lewan
54 RB Bishop Sankey

2015
2 QB Marcus Mariota
40 Dorial Green-Beckham
66 G Jeremiah Poutasi

Obviously not every pick is going to be a future HOFer, and the verdict is still out on some of the more recent picks. But overall I can't help but think that the Titans should have come away with some better players out of those drafts.

How is that relevant when they have a new GM?

 

[massraider]

Do a fun exercise.  Make a list of all the QBs you would trade two 1's, two 2's, and two 3's for.  Right now, at their current age.  

Whatever QB the Rams got needs to at least be in the conversation with that group of players.  What are the chances of that?  And now they have no ammo to get players around him.  

The chances of this trade working out for the Rams is really slim.  It was SO much to give up.  Kroenke/Snead/Fisher is a bad group.  

 

[Shutout]

A chunk of these is coaching turnover.

Akeem Ayers is a glorious cat N mouse game by the Pats out-smarting the ol' Titans GM. They got more in compensation than they gave up to get him. He probably starts for the Rams this year. 

The Jaguars love Sen Derrick Marks. And he was a stupid pick. Excellent college player but "too small." He did very well for them in preseason and was eventually cut for being "too small" yet there is the too small guy doing well for Jax. Why did they bother? Very much like Blount who was in their camp. They knew exactly what they were getting then let him go for being exactly what he was. Dopey. Bucs and Pats have enjoyed that oops.

Gooden was beat out by two UDFAs-a nice problem.

Zach Brown couldn't take the losing and mouthed off. It's curious that's uncommon. I bet he does well in Buff. He is one of the fastest NFL LBs and looked excellent his rookie year.

CJ was a sweet pick.

Jason Jones, Jared Cook, and Griffin are still in the league. Griffin was an excellent pick. Started 8? years...that's what ya want.

Martin and Bleeding should get cut this year so last a few years, get cut...sadly normal NFL average.

TE Stevens I adore as do many Titans fans. Just before this they nailed a third round pick on Stewart whom was an excellent RT for years. There's a definite benefit to having Munchak evaluate blockers. They hit on 3rd rounders whereas most teams are 50/50. He's gone and they seem to miss.

Just playing devil's advocate. From the start of this, they're onto their 3rd GM and 4th coach so yeah a lot of turnover and bad results.

I'd like this twice if I could. Good stuff.

With all that has went down in the trade, overall, I will give them benefit of the doubt on the front of having different decision makers and in most cases I always support the "train car full of picks over single player". 

When you look at the talent on NFL rosters, if there is a team that could really use this kind of mass infusion, it's the Titans.

 

[matttyl]

For whatever it's worth, rumor is this trade didn't go down yesterday because "The day belonged to Kobe."

 

[Anarchy99]

I don't have time to get into draft results by teams over a specified time frame. Yes, lots of picks bust. That's pretty universal. But it's home many home runs you hit (and where you picked them) that shapes a franchise. Drafting multiple HOF / All Pro / Pro Bowl players and even starters will equate to a lot more wins.

I agree that how TEN drafted with different personnel calling the shots is mostly irrelevant to how well the new guys draft moving forward, but it does show the level of talent that the new regime has to start with and how the cupboards are bare in certain areas. At least they are starting off in a good situation with a cache of early picks. For Titans fans, let's hope they pan out.

 

[Bri]

It is what keeps some teams at the bottom and keeps the good teams with good GMs at the top. I love Dave Gettleman and hope he stays here forever. Here's his 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders since he came on board and keep in mind he's also taken us out of salary cap hell:

2013: 1st Star Lotulelei, 2nd Kawann Short

2014: 1st Kelvin Benjamin, 2nd Kony Ealy, 3rd Trai Turner

2015: 1st Shaq Thompson, 2nd Devin Funchess

In our 2016 lineup, that is basically going to be 7 of 7 starters including 2 pro-bowlers and 6 of 7 high impact players (Funchess will be a starter this year, but still 3rd or 4th fiddle).

Titans problem has been that aside from Mariota, you can't tell me a young player is at all better than the day they drafted him. Not one. Development is a serious issue and that's due to a poor staff and Whisenhunt thinking he needed to break every big ego down over n over like he's a drill sergeant.

Under the previous GM and Fish, they almost never kept their free agents. A few sure, but it was always "in with the new" and a struggle to improve. They had the coaches though(many who are still in the league) to develop those newbies and scheme to suit. 

The mishmash of these two systems failed miserably under Whis. 

No one- almost literally- realizes just deep Hunter learned to play all three WR positions. They know of JAG and Whis having him run 10000 decoy routes so by route 9,999 he started dogging it. I think fans will see dramatic improvement in some players just with Whis being away.

Nothing epitomizes the previous regime, nothing characterizes it quite so well as Locker deciding it'd be better to retire than play.

If the current staff doesn't work out on their one year lease, it still could be OK. They have more than one hundred(200?) years of NFL experience coaching. Some of these young guys will someday benefit from being around all these greybeard coaches for a year. 
Robiskie's been around forever. I doubt he's Mariota's savior going to turn him into a top QB, but it's gotta be beneficial for the young gun to pick the brain of a long long longtime NFL coach.

 

[stbugs]

Do a fun exercise.  Make a list of all the QBs you would trade two 1's, two 2's, and two 3's for.  Right now, at their current age.  

Whatever QB the Rams got needs to at least be in the conversation with that group of players.  What are the chances of that?  And now they have no ammo to get players around him.  

The chances of this trade working out for the Rams is really slim.  It was SO much to give up.  Kroenke/Snead/Fisher is a bad group.  

Quick question are we the Rams or are we a team like Denver that also needs a QB but has much more on the team? For instance, if I was Denver, I would trade all of that for Brady, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, etc., because I can get to the playoffs with them. If I am the Rams or Browns, I might not make a trade for a QB with crapola at WR/TE and now now more picks to improve those spots.

 

[stbugs]

For whatever it's worth, rumor is this trade didn't go down yesterday because "The day belonged to Kobe."

That is interesting, because it makes me wonder about the timing of that article about the Browns preferring Goff from La Confora. I got a little flack in another thread for saying that I think the Browns lost their gamble, i.e. I think they preferred Wentz but figured no one would pay a king's ransom.

 

[stbugs]

Titans problem has been that aside from Mariota, you can't tell me a young player is at all better than the day they drafted him. Not one. Development is a serious issue and that's due to a poor staff and Whisenhunt thinking he needed to break every big ego down over n over like he's a drill sergeant.

Under the previous GM and Fish, they almost never kept their free agents. A few sure, but it was always "in with the new" and a struggle to improve. They had the coaches though(many who are still in the league) to develop those newbies and scheme to suit. 

The mishmash of these two systems failed miserably under Whis. 

No one- almost literally- realizes just deep Hunter learned to play all three WR positions. They know of JAG and Whis having him run 10000 decoy routes so by route 9,999 he started dogging it. I think fans will see dramatic improvement in some players just with Whis being away.

Nothing epitomizes the previous regime, nothing characterizes it quite so well as Locker deciding it'd be better to retire than play.

If the current staff doesn't work out on their one year lease, it still could be OK. They have more than one hundred(200?) years of NFL experience coaching. Some of these young guys will someday benefit from being around all these greybeard coaches for a year. 
Robiskie's been around forever. I doubt he's Mariota's savior going to turn him into a top QB, but it's gotta be beneficial for the young gun to pick the brain of a long long longtime NFL coach.

Another very good point. You need an eye for talent and you need to develop it. The Panthers do sign their FAs, although I do think we will let Norman walk after this year. I think Gettleman would rather have Short/Ealy/Star and cheaper CBs than Norman/Short and cheaper DE/DTs.

 

[Brendon1215]

For whatever it's worth, rumor is this trade didn't go down yesterday because "The day belonged to Kobe."

Interesting.

Today apparently belongs to him too considering all the talk on the 60 point performance, lol.

 

[FUBAR]

Do a fun exercise.  Make a list of all the QBs you would trade two 1's, two 2's, and two 3's for.  Right now, at their current age.  

Whatever QB the Rams got needs to at least be in the conversation with that group of players.  What are the chances of that?  And now they have no ammo to get players around him.  

The chances of this trade working out for the Rams is really slim.  It was SO much to give up.  Kroenke/Snead/Fisher is a bad group.  

assuming mid-late picks and the team is otherwise built to win?  Luck, Wilson, Mariota, Winston, Cam and Bortles.   without much hesitation.  Maybe / probably Carr.

 

[stbugs]

assuming mid-late picks and the team is otherwise built to win?  Luck, Wilson, Mariota, Winston, and Bortles.   without much hesitation. 

No Newton? I'd take him easily over everyone besides Wilson/Luck. I prefer Newton over them as well, but that is just my homer preference. I can see arguments for the other two. The rest, no way over Newton.

 

[maf005]

Matt Ryan, Bortles, Stafford, Winston, Wilson, Carr, Ben, Cam, Rodgers, Mariota, Bortles, Luck

You could make an argument for Brady, Rivers, Eli, Tannehill, and Cousins

 

[FUBAR]

No Newton?

you looked before I edited.  I added Cam before your question, just spaced on him.  No excuse, he's one of my favorite players to watch play.

 

[stbugs]

you looked before I edited.  I added Cam before your question, just spaced on him.  No excuse, he's one of my favorite players to watch play.

I'm so fast you don't even see me coming.

 

[massraider]

Two 1's, two 2's, two 3's for Bortles or........Cousins?  Stafford?!?

Oh my god.  

 

[Bri]

I've been saying for a long time two things-

Kamar Aiken is totally worth a second rounder. And there are probably others that didn't sign their tender that are worth it. There's little development and more plug N play, I really wish the Titans would do this.

I've been saying for oh so long that the Titans 2nd round pick is somewhat of a prime pick and easier than 1.01 to trade. With every mock having a few guys falling, or the oh so curious love for Henry but he's "just a second rounder," ...it has continued to be a real nice spot to pick for months.

I don't think today changed that. 

I think the Titans are strongly playing out scenarios and trying to do even more. 

 

[Bri]

On radio, they are saying Robinson expects to trade up to top 5. This is rumor.

Robinson will be on ESPN soon so expect more to follow

 

[maf005]

Two 1's, two 2's, two 3's for Bortles or........Cousins?  Stafford?!?

Oh my god.  

Two mid firsts and change for a top 15 qb? Yes, please

 

[Bri]

From previous presser, Titansonline-

• Robinson said, “I wasn’t really shopping the pick. Teams reached out to us.” • Robinson thanked Titans owner Amy Adams Strunk, ‘who I would like to thank for her support in this decision. She has been awesome throughout this entire process. (Amy) and I have talked daily, at least couple of times a week on it, and she has had a lot if input into this decision as has Mike (Mularkey) as well.” • Robinson said the extra picks “allow us to really move up and down the draft. This doesn’t really knock us out of moving back up, and it doesn’t mean we’re going to. It gives us options. Much like a play-call sheet on game days, you want to have your full play sheet that you can call plays from. We want to have multiple options and multiple plays we can go to, if you will, to make this football team better.”

 Robinson said a “couple” of teams gave the Titans solid trade offers. • Robinson acknowledged the Titans were zeroing in on a player for the top pick before making the trade, saying: “I would say we were zeroing in on it. We weren’t locked in. But we were getting closer to that. There’s a chance (of still getting player).’’ • Robinson said he talked with Titans left tackle  Taylor Lewan the other day. Asked if he’ll be the team’s starting left tackle in 2016, Robinson said, “Taylor Lewan is our left tackle until he is not our left tackle, and I said that to him the other day. I said, “Taylor, you need to worry about playing left tackle and doing your job.’ The team will go as we go as a team. It is not one person that is going to make this team go. It is the 11 on offense, the 11 on defense and the 11 guys on all the kicking units.”

 

[massraider]

Two mid firsts and change for a top 15 qb? Yes, please

'and change'?

It's 6 premium draft picks.  SIX!

It's a ridiculous trade, and if teams were trading a veteran player, no one would offer anything close to that for a Matt Ryan, or a Stafford, and certainly not for a Bortles.

But a completely unknown player, with zero experience, is getting traded for 6 premium picks.  No player is worth that, let alone a QB from freaking North Dakota.

 

[massraider]

Michael Silver on NFLN, said that Rams/Browns wanted same guy, and that Browns are open for trade offers.  

 

[stratocatter]

Wow, Rams. If I were a Rams fan I would not be happy.

If I were a Titans fan, you could not knock the smile off of my face. They still have to make good decisions with the picks, many of the beneficiaries of these type of deals have not done that, but they can make a mistake or two and still come out great.

 

[FUBAR]

I'm so fast you don't even see me coming.

that's what he said?

 

[massraider]

This trade was such a big deal, the Titans are now interesting.

:nooffense:

 

[Bri]

PFF now has Titans taking Jack Conklin at 15 who would play RT

 

[Bri]

I do think the Titans got the better of this deal.

However I lllllllllllllove Mariota. If the Rams get their Mariota, then I don't think it'll matter what they gave up. Maybe initially but overtime, no one will care.

I think if their QB busts, then they look extra dopey for giving up so much.

 

[maf005]

'and change'?

It's 6 premium draft picks.  SIX!

It's a ridiculous trade, and if teams were trading a veteran player, no one would offer anything close to that for a Matt Ryan, or a Stafford, and certainly not for a Bortles.

But a completely unknown player, with zero experience, is getting traded for 6 premium picks.  No player is worth that, let alone a QB from freaking North Dakota.

Teams aren't offering that package for Ryan because Atlanta would hang up instantly. You're way off here

 

[massraider]

Teams aren't offering that package for Ryan because Atlanta would hang up instantly. You're way off here

Teams wouldn't offer that deal because the Falcons wouldn't accept it?  

Do what now?

 

[maf005]

Teams wouldn't offer that deal because the Falcons wouldn't accept it?  

Do what now?

The offer is so far off it's a complete non-starter. 

 

[stbugs]

Michael Silver on NFLN, said that Rams/Browns wanted same guy, and that Browns are open for trade offers.  

Didn't you say that the Browns didn't blow it? Based on those rumors about delaying the announcement for the LA Rams due to an LA legend and the LaConfora article yesterday about the Browns wanting Goff, I think my suspicion that they gambled they could get Wentz and lost is true.

 

[Bri]

Browns wanting their guy that they were oh so easily getting yesterday, are now interesting.

If Rams did like both top QBs, while the Browns prefer one, they could trade down a spot and recoup some that they lost.

It'll probably take a little time but the Browns reaction could be interesting here.

 

[FUBAR]

Teams aren't offering that package for Ryan because Atlanta would hang up instantly. You're way off here

do we really know no team is making that offer?  It's not like these guys tweet every offer they make or get or discussion they have. 

 

[Bri]

And there it goes-
Rams discussing trade with Browns tweeted by a few just now.

 

[Bri]

Fisher lllllllllllloves DL. If the Jets trade him Mo and ??? it'd be hard for him to resist.