Rams WRs (2 Viewers)

[Couch Potato]

I'll preface this by saying that I believe Sam Bradford is going to be an elite NFL and fantasy QB before long. Give him another year to more fully figure things out and then look out in year 3 and beyond. By year 4 or 5 I think we'll be viewing him as people are currently viewing guys like Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers. Playing in that dome and on fast turf, in a division with three other franchises who seem totally lost in the front office (SF, SEA, ARI), and the path seems clear for St Louis to dominate the division offensively for much of the next decade.

If you buy that premise, the next question becomes which receivers will benefit most? Who should dynasty players target as the next Brees-to-Colston, Peyton-to-Harrison (then Wayne), Rodgers-to-Jennings, etc? Bradford-to-somebody, and somebody is going to be a top-15 dynasty WR soon, I'm convinced. Often there's a lot of value in the #2 WR as well. Who will that guy be? Now is the time to go after Bradford's future starting WRs while they are still very cheap. But who to go after? Let's assume PPR for the poll.

Of course, there could always be a surprise enter the mix like Vincent Jackson or Ocho Cinco via free agency or trade, and it's possible the Rams go after a top WR in the draft to grow with Bradford.

Here are the seven currently rostered candidates:

Active roster

Brandon Gibson, 24 (age of each guy I'll list will be as of the start of next season), 6th round pick (Eagles) in 2009. Has had a nice season (50-590-2) and has Bradford's confidence. Bradford said a month or two ago that Gibson runs the best routes on the team. Signed through 2012.

Danny Amendola, 25, UDFA in 2008, possession guy (83-682-3) who isn't ever going to be a deep threat. RFA in 2011.

Laurent Robinson, 26, 3rd round (Falcons) in 2007, reputed to have good skills but never spends enough time on the field to prove it due to injury. ATL finally gave up on him and while he's flashed talent with the Rams he's continued to get dinged up. Contract expires in 2010. (33-330-2)

Mardy Gilyard, 24, 4th round in 2010. Rookie was projected by many to go higher, perhaps in the 2nd round. Played some early on but hasn't had a catch since week 6 and has been inactive most weeks since then, first due to a hammy and later a healthy scratch because he hasn't grasped the offense (according the the Post-Dispatch). (6-63-0) Signed through 2013.

Danario Alexander, 23, UDFA rookie. Much has been written about the Danario scenario on this board, no need to get too deep into it again here. Do a search if unfamiliar. In short though, he was the leading college WR in 2009 (113-1781-14 at Missouri) but did little in his 3 years before then (15, 37, and 26 catches) due to injury. And he's had multiple knee surgeries. Because of those surgeries no NFL team was willing to draft him. I still don't get it. I mean, teams draft players in the 7th round they NEVER plan to use except on special teams, and yet NO ONE was willing to burn a 7th on the leading WR in college last year? So the Rams took him on, and this 6'5" guy with great hands has been slowly assimilated into the offense this year. He has had some good weeks though with games of 4-72-1, 4-95, and 6-99 (17-292-1 overall). Signed through 2013 (almost unheard of length for a rookie UDFA contract).

Injured reserve

Mark Clayton, 29, 1st round (Ravens) in 2005. Remember him? He was tearing it up early in the year with 22 catches for 300 yards and 2 TDs in the first 4 weeks of the season and was Bradford's clear go-to guy. In week 5 he went down with a torn patella tendon and was lost for the year. That's a tough injury to come back from, but both Correll Buckhalter and Caddy Williams have done so twice (which begs the question is Clayton at high risk of tearing it again?). 2010 was his 6th season, and his best was his second season (67-939-5) with no other year topping 48 catches. (23-306-2 overall in 2010). He was on a one-year contract in 2010 and it is unclear whether he'll be re-signed due to the injury and other WRs in the mix.

Donnie Avery, 27, 2nd round in 2008 and first WR taken in the draft that year. Minor dings his first two years in the league in addition to poor QB and OL play held his numbers down some (53-674-3 in 2008 and 47-589-5 in 2009). He was really clicking with Bradford in preseason when he tore his ACL. He'll have a full year's recovery entering next season and should be good to go. Signed though 2011.

Of course, posted comments in addition to your vote would be much appreciated!

 

[duaneok66]

outstanding work . . .

I still like the Rams to use a #1 or a #2 on a WR - they have used similar picks on OL the last two years and Jackson has maybe two good years left. I also think they will sign a guy in FA. and they need a legitimate TE. Alexander and Robinson seem brittle, you dont know if Avery will be ready next year, and I'm not sold on Clayton getting re-signed . . .

 

[DansRams]

I'll preface this by saying that I believe Sam Bradford is going to be an elite NFL and fantasy QB before long. Give him another year to more fully figure things out and then look out in year 3 and beyond. By year 4 or 5 I think we'll be viewing him as people are currently viewing guys like Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers. Playing in that dome and on fast turf, in a division with three other franchises who seem totally lost in the front office (SF, SEA, ARI), and the path seems clear for St Louis to dominate the division offensively for the next decade.

If you buy that premise, the next question becomes which receivers will benefit most? Who should dynasty players target as the next Brees-to-Colston, Peyton-to-Harrison (then Wayne), Rodgers-to-Jennings, etc? Bradford-to-somebody, and somebody is going to be a top-15 dynasty WR soon, I'm convinced. Often there's a lot of value in the #2 WR as well. Who will that guy be? Now is the time to go after Bradford's future starting WRs while they are still very cheap. But who to go after? Let's assume PPR for the poll.

Of course, there could always be a surprise enter the mix like Vincent Jackson or Ocho Cinco via free agency or trade, and it's possible the Rams go after a top WR in the draft to grow with Bradford.

Here are the seven currently rostered candidates:

Active roster

Brandon Gibson, 24 (age of each guy I'll list will be as of the start of next season), 6th round pick (Eagles) in 2009. Has had a nice season (50-590-2) and has Bradford's confidence. Bradford said a month or two ago that Gibson runs the best routes on the team. Signed through 2012.

Danny Amendola, 25, UDFA in 2008, possession guy (83-682-3) who isn't ever going to be a deep threat. RFA in 2011.

Laurent Robinson, 26, 3rd round (Falcons) in 2007, reputed to have good skills but never spends enough time on the field to prove it due to injury. ATL finally gave up on him and while he's flashed talent with the Rams he's continued to get dinged up. Contract expires in 2010. (33-330-2)

Mardy Gilyard, 24, 4th round in 2010. Rookie was projected by many to go higher, perhaps in the 2nd round. Played some early on but hasn't had a catch since week 6 and has been inactive most weeks since then, first due to a hammy and later a healthy scratch because he hasn't grasped the offense (according the the Post-Dispatch). (6-63-0) Signed through 2013.

Danario Alexander, 23, UDFA rookie. Much has been written about the Danario scenario on this board, no need to get too deep into it again here. Do a search if unfamiliar. In short though, he was the leading college WR in 2009 (113-1781-14 at Missouri) but did little in his 3 years before then (15, 37, and 26 catches) due to injury. And he's had multiple knee surgeries. Because of those surgeries no NFL team was willing to draft him. I still don't get it. I mean, teams draft players in the 7th round they NEVER plan to use except on special teams, and yet NO ONE was willing to burn a 7th on the leading WR in college last year? So the Rams took him on, and this 6'5" guy with great hands has been slowly assimilated into the offense this year. He has had some good weeks though with games of 4-72-1, 4-95, and 6-99 (17-292-1 overall). Signed through 2013 (almost unheard of length for a rookie UDFA contract).

Injured reserve

Mark Clayton, 29, 1st round (Ravens) in 2005. Remember him? He was tearing it up early in the year with 22 catches for 300 yards and 2 TDs in the first 4 weeks of the season and was Bradford's clear go-to guy. In week 5 he went down with a torn patella tendon and was lost for the year. That's a tough injury to come back from, but both Correll Buckhalter and Caddy Williams have done so twice (which begs the question is Clayton at high risk of tearing it again?). 2010 was his 6th season, and his best was his second season (67-939-5) with no other year topping 48 catches. (23-306-2 overall in 2010). He was on a one-year contract in 2010 and it is unclear whether he'll be re-signed due to the injury and other WRs in the mix.

Donnie Avery, 27, 2nd round in 2008 and first WR taken in the draft that year. Minor dings his first two years in the league in addition to poor QB and OL play held his numbers down some (53-674-3 in 2008 and 47-589-5 in 2009). He was really clicking with Bradford in preseason when he tore his ACL. He'll have a full year's recovery entering next season and should be good to go. Signed though 2011.

Great post...I am holding Alexander, Gilyard and Clayton. I would also include TE in your forecast and I see Onobun as the guy to hold there.

As far as the wr's go, Alexander has the highest upside and that is what I am looking for. Gilyard will look much better next yr with more time to learn the offense. The exciting thing about him is his run after the catch ability, especially with a QB that can/will hit him in full stride. I'm holding Clayton because of his early season succes, but I'm not sure he comes back.

The stud will come from the draft. Look for Blackmon or Jones to be the pick. Either of them will be in consideration for a top 3 rookie pick in dynasty drafts this year if they are picked by the Rams.

 

[BuckeyeChaos]

great topic and great insights.

I have Danrio so I'm biasly rooting for him. I would think health will be his major concern as the talent is there. I too wonder if there is something else that kept those teams from taking him. Was it a character issue? I hadn't heard that. Was it some major medical issue that basically precludes him from having a fully healthy season?

With the plethora of WR talent on this team now I don't see them going WR this year even though it's a deep class. Don't you think a complementary back, OL and defense are the main needs here?

 

[SaintLouisCardinals]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/542086-...-radar-for-2011

 

[duaneok66]

decent list on the bleacherreport . . .

scratch the two Cincinnati divas, why burden a young star with a headcase (or two)??

 

[Wombat1]

Who to target from Rams? Blackmon, Julio Jones, AJ Green if trade up

 

[SaintLouisCardinals]

I like the Sidney Rice call, all his injuries and down year might be enough to keep his price tag affordable. Plaxico is interesting as well, having history with Spags might give the Rams a head start over some other potential suitors for his services.

 

[JohnnyU]

The future #1 WR on the Rams is in the 2011 WR deep draft. Maybe the #2 is as well. With the likes of AJ Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon, Jonathan Baldwin, Michael Floyd, and Ryan Broyles, I'm almost certain of it.

 

[Couch Potato]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/542086-...-radar-for-2011

In the article, the writer says "Mardy Gilyard and Brandon Gibson are the only wideouts on the active roster under contract for the upcoming season."That is both untrue (D Alexander is signed through 2013) and misleading in that Amendola is a RFA so the Rams have a lot of control over his situation (and he's very unlikely to go anywhere), and choosing only to mention "active" roster players ignores Avery who is on IR.

Rather than imply that only Gilyard and Gibson are set to return, it would be more accurate to say that only Robinson and a seriously injured Clayton are completely free to leave.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I'm surprised at all the love Danario Alexander is getting. I like his talent as much as the next guy, but he's the most injury riddled rookie WR in recent memory. He's played in every game of a football season just once in the past 4 years. His knees are simply in real bad shape. To expect him to stay healthy enough over the next 2-4 years to be the #1 WR in STL is unrealistic imo.

The guy I like who I think is underrated right now is Donnie Avery. The Rams must like him quite a bit since they made him the first WR taken in the 2008 draft. He's got good hands, great speed, and good YAC ability. With Bradford throwing him the ball, I think he can turn into a great FF WR.

 

[faulknromos]

Julio Jones.

 

[L-pipe]

On paper, at least for me, Alexander looks like the best physical specimen, but all those surguries are a major concern. Would be very interested to see whom they draft(or FA?)before I hitch my cart to any receiver on the Rams.

 

[Sebowski]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/542086-...-radar-for-2011

That said, Mardy Gilyard and Brandon Gibson are the only wideouts on the active roster under contract for the upcoming season.

I know that is a convenient way to not mention Avery, but it also completely leaves out DA.

Bleacher always smells like amateur hour to me.

 

[SaintLouisCardinals]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/542086-...-radar-for-2011

That said, Mardy Gilyard and Brandon Gibson are the only wideouts on the active roster under contract for the upcoming season.

I know that is a convenient way to not mention Avery, but it also completely leaves out DA.

Bleacher always smells like amateur hour to me.

The writers opinions aside, I provided the link because it fit the discussion as a list of potential targets for the Rams. IMO there's no chance in h*ll that Arizona (if they would ever let Fitz go) allows him to go to a divisional foe in the Rams. And like many others here, I am fairly sure they will get someone via upcoming draft. I also think they bring back Clayton for another go, and between him, D.Alexander, Avery, Gillyard, Gibson, etc you have someone finally step up to be a solid #2 to complement Almendola in the slot. They will not let Danny get away, as he has proven to be too reliable of a target and safety blanket for Bradford.

 

[treat88]

I think Avery represents a great value for both fantasy and NFL purposes next season.

Put a Blackmon or a Jones opposite him and that is a very talented combo on the outside with Amendola/Gilyard drawing safety attention between the hashes.

 

[renesauz]

Not sure why Gibson isn't getting a little more love. Good hands, good route running, OK speed. Still young.

 

[DansRams]

Not sure why Gibson isn't getting a little more love. Good hands, good route running, OK speed. Still young.

How about slow, stiff and limited playmaking ability

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Not sure why Gibson isn't getting a little more love. Good hands, good route running, OK speed. Still young.

He's a crappy Amendola.

 

[todisco1]

If I'm going after one it's Alexander. Health seems to be the only question with him. It's a major question, but to me he clearly has the most upside. I also still think Donnie Avery can be a a pretty good WR if he can also stay healthy.

 

[squistion]

If I'm going after one it's Alexander. Health seems to be the only question with him. It's a major question, but to me he clearly has the most upside. I also still think Donnie Avery can be a a pretty good WR if he can also stay healthy.

I hear you, but I am the type that will always roll the dice on a player with his talent. Yes, there is considerable risk with the injury history, but it is more than justified by his potential upside IMO. However, I would not advise that he be taken by those who are more conservative in nature and are looking for a "safe" addition to their roster (probably it is just as likely that he finishes next year on IR as it is that he finishes in the Top 30 among WRs).

 

[Go deep]

I like them in this order:

1. A 1st round draft pick

2. Donnie Avery

3. Mardy Gilyard

4. Donario Alexander

5. Mark Clayton

6. Laurent Robinson

 

[DansRams]

I like them in this order:1. A 1st round draft pick2. Donnie Avery3. Mardy Gilyard4. Donario Alexander5. Mark Clayton6. Laurent Robinson

How can you not rank DX behind the draft pick?

 

[lyon812]

While I hope Avery comes back, it's hard to be optimistic.

2008: Injured ankle at the scouting combine. Stress fracture of the pelvis in his first training camp. Sprained knee in the final preseason game. Nagging hip injury after game 6.

2009: Preseason stress fracture in his left foot. Returned for season opener, then had even more durability issues: rib bruises, hamstring woes, another hip injury, shoulder subluxation, thigh strain, concussion, and now a knee problem.

He struggles against press coverage, runs his routes sloppier than you’d like, and despite his willingness to take a beating, can’t seem to handle it when he does. I think he's an upgrade in talent over everyone but Alexander, but I have little faith in his durability.

Meanwhile, Alexander has an injury-prone label as well. But people seem to misrepresent his injuries a bit.

2007: Broke left wrist, missed three games. Big 12 Championship, tears ACL. Surgery 1 on knee.

June 2008: Ligament graft came undone, which occasionally occurs if the body rejects the foreign tissue. Had Surgery 2, but only missed two games of the 2008 season; he came back in two months instead of seven. This was stupid, as he played for the rest of the year on a not-completely-healed knee.

2009: Retears ACL. Has Surgery 3. Having learned his lesson, forces himself to rest for seven months instead of rushing back. Plays all year.

2010: During Senior Bowl, knee hurt during practice; chipped cartilage. A thorough description from CBS Sportsline:

03/02/2010 - Danario Alexander still isn't certain how he injured his left knee during a Senior Bowl practice in late January. "I think I went up for a ball and came down wrong," Alexander told reporters at the NFL scouting combine. He sat in the interview area with his crutches propped up on a table. Five weeks ago at the Senior Bowl, doctors examined the knee on the spot in Mobile, Ala., and said all the ligaments were stable. He was cleared to play in the game. But when Alexander returned after Senior Bowl week to Florida, where he had been training at the Bommarito Performance Systems complex, doctors noticed a cleat mark on his knee. To make sure he was OK, an MRI exam was done. Several doctors, including Patrick Smith of the University of Missouri, James Bradley of the Pittsburgh Steelers and James Andrews of Birmingham, Ala., examined the knee. They all decided that Alexander needed a small piece of cartilage repaired in his left knee - but that the rest of the knee looked fine. This latest injury was unrelated to the previous ligament injury that resulted in three operations during his time at Mizzou. The doctors speculate that a defender may have stepped on or jammed Alexander's knee while fighting for the ball during Senior Bowl practice. Whatever the cause, Alexander had surgery less than two weeks ago. Dr. John Uribe of Miami, who in the past has done knee operations for NFL players Willis McGahee, Edgerrin James and Jonathan Vilma, did the cartilage repair. Uribe sent every NFL team doctor a letter detailing the surgery and telling them that Alexander should be full-go and ready to play by the time training camp starts. Over the weekend at the combine, Alexander could do nothing but hobble around on crutches and interview with NFL teams. - Jim Thomas, The Post-Dispatch

After languishing on the practice squad, he’s put into games for the first time in a year and tears a meniscus. Surgery #5, but a common, minor injury. In January, he’ll have had two years since having ACL problems.

Personally, I think things were somewhat fluky. He tore his ACL. Then the graft didn't take. Then he rushed back stupidly and reinjured it. Is there a risk? Sure. But he's the best bet on that roster right now to flourish into a difference-making #1 receiver.

 

[Go deep]

I like them in this order:1. A 1st round draft pick2. Donnie Avery3. Mardy Gilyard4. Donario Alexander5. Mark Clayton6. Laurent Robinson

How can you not rank DX behind the draft pick?

Because i think Avery is a better player. I was always a big fan of Gilyard and the Rams seemed to agree with me when they took him with the first pick of the 4th round(instead of Alexander). Im not going to hold his rookie year against him as i figured it would take him a year or two to adjust to the NFL. Its not that i dislike Alexander, i just like the other guys better.

 

[Sebowski]

The Rams would be stupid to bring in a WR. They have a lot of glaring weaknesses and WR isn't among them. Resign Clayton (no, I don't consider that "bringing someone in"), start him with DX (not sure where the X came from, but has a good ring to it), and Avery in the slot. Not bad at all. Decent depth behind that too. Clayton will be the possession #1 WR while DX and Avery can alternate big game potential based on gameplans.

 

[D'OHtis]

decent list on the bleacherreport . . .scratch the two Cincinnati divas, why burden a young star with a headcase (or two)??

Agree. The last thing Bradford needs is one of those two. He's already one of the top 10-12 QB's in the league w/o them IMO. I think they ought to get another WR this offseason, but the cupboard isn't completely bare as once thought.Remarkable what he's done as an rookie QB losing his #1 WR on two different occasions (Avery & Clayton). Really hoping to see a team on the way up in the Rams beat the Seahawks this weekend. (JMO They're aren't many more boring teams in the league to watch than Seattle)

 

[Catbird]

I think Rams go defense before another WR. With DA and Avery they have two guys who might be #1s. Gilyard is still yet unknown at the NFL level and both Clayton and Amendola are solid role players. These guys may not be household names both Danario and Avery need to have a f=ull chance to see what they can do - and bringing in another young stud won't help that porcess at all. I don't think they spend a girst rounder until they are more ceratin of what they have already. Injury risk is the only reason to go WR now - and I think they fill another needon defense first. They might take a second/third rounder in this deep WR draft but I don't think its the top priority.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I'll preface this by saying that I believe Sam Bradford is going to be an elite NFL and fantasy QB before long. Give him another year to more fully figure things out and then look out in year 3 and beyond. By year 4 or 5 I think we'll be viewing him as people are currently viewing guys like Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers. Playing in that dome and on fast turf, in a division with three other franchises who seem totally lost in the front office (SF, SEA, ARI), and the path seems clear for St Louis to dominate the division offensively for much of the next decade.

If you buy that premise, the next question becomes which receivers will benefit most? Who should dynasty players target as the next Brees-to-Colston, Peyton-to-Harrison (then Wayne), Rodgers-to-Jennings, etc? Bradford-to-somebody, and somebody is going to be a top-15 dynasty WR soon, I'm convinced. Often there's a lot of value in the #2 WR as well. Who will that guy be? Now is the time to go after Bradford's future starting WRs while they are still very cheap. But who to go after? Let's assume PPR for the poll.

Of course, there could always be a surprise enter the mix like Vincent Jackson or Ocho Cinco via free agency or trade, and it's possible the Rams go after a top WR in the draft to grow with Bradford.

Here are the seven currently rostered candidates:

Active roster

Brandon Gibson, 24 (age of each guy I'll list will be as of the start of next season), 6th round pick (Eagles) in 2009. Has had a nice season (50-590-2) and has Bradford's confidence. Bradford said a month or two ago that Gibson runs the best routes on the team. Signed through 2012.

I feel like his floor in this offense over the next couple years will be the WR3 spot with upside to WR2. He's not a WR1 and I feel like he is a possession type guy who could develop into a Steve Smith like wideout for them.

Danny Amendola, 25, UDFA in 2008, possession guy (83-682-3) who isn't ever going to be a deep threat. RFA in 2011.

He spent more time on the field than he should have and had a lot of receptions but I think it was mostly due to the many injuries the Rams sustained. He can catch a lot of balls but he offers absolutely nothing as far as YAC and that will severly limit him going forward. He is not a Wes Welker type and will not develop into that either IMO. I would sell high on this guy in dyansty meaning I would use him on draft day to move up 3-4 spots in the 1st to get a better player or same thing in the 2nd perhaps.

Laurent Robinson, 26, 3rd round (Falcons) in 2007, reputed to have good skills but never spends enough time on the field to prove it due to injury. ATL finally gave up on him and while he's flashed talent with the Rams he's continued to get dinged up. Contract expires in 2010. (33-330-2)

This guy has been a real tease for several years now. He cannot stay healthy and I don't see how the Rams can really commit to him and make plans on him as their WR1/2 for the future. I see him leaving if his contract is up.

Mardy Gilyard, 24, 4th round in 2010. Rookie was projected by many to go higher, perhaps in the 2nd round. Played some early on but hasn't had a catch since week 6 and has been inactive most weeks since then, first due to a hammy and later a healthy scratch because he hasn't grasped the offense (according the the Post-Dispatch). (6-63-0) Signed through 2013.

We really don't know enough about him and rookie WRs traditionally need time to develop but he certainly is at the bottom of the depth chart going into next season right now. Ultra buy low if you have the roster space but ther is nothing to indicate future return right now.

Danario Alexander, 23, UDFA rookie. Much has been written about the Danario scenario on this board, no need to get too deep into it again here. Do a search if unfamiliar. In short though, he was the leading college WR in 2009 (113-1781-14 at Missouri) but did little in his 3 years before then (15, 37, and 26 catches) due to injury. And he's had multiple knee surgeries. Because of those surgeries no NFL team was willing to draft him. I still don't get it. I mean, teams draft players in the 7th round they NEVER plan to use except on special teams, and yet NO ONE was willing to burn a 7th on the leading WR in college last year? So the Rams took him on, and this 6'5" guy with great hands has been slowly assimilated into the offense this year. He has had some good weeks though with games of 4-72-1, 4-95, and 6-99 (17-292-1 overall). Signed through 2013 (almost unheard of length for a rookie UDFA contract).

The kid has a lot of upside right now. A few big games but he seems to have the big play ability. Another year of development with both him and Bradford and you might have something here. Can he be the WR1? If not he sure has the skills to make a big impact 5-6 games a year.

Injured reserve

Mark Clayton, 29, 1st round (Ravens) in 2005. Remember him? He was tearing it up early in the year with 22 catches for 300 yards and 2 TDs in the first 4 weeks of the season and was Bradford's clear go-to guy. In week 5 he went down with a torn patella tendon and was lost for the year. That's a tough injury to come back from, but both Correll Buckhalter and Caddy Williams have done so twice (which begs the question is Clayton at high risk of tearing it again?). 2010 was his 6th season, and his best was his second season (67-939-5) with no other year topping 48 catches. (23-306-2 overall in 2010). He was on a one-year contract in 2010 and it is unclear whether he'll be re-signed due to the injury and other WRs in the mix.

You have to see if he can make it back form the injury. It might take another year before we really know. The chemistry he and Bradford had was awesome but I wouldn't get too excited as his track record has not been great. The injury is the maor concern. I bet St Louis will keep him around even if he ends up back on IR next year or the PUP list for the 1st 6-10 weeks.

Donnie Avery, 27, 2nd round in 2008 and first WR taken in the draft that year. Minor dings his first two years in the league in addition to poor QB and OL play held his numbers down some (53-674-3 in 2008 and 47-589-5 in 2009). He was really clicking with Bradford in preseason when he tore his ACL. He'll have a full year's recovery entering next season and should be good to go. Signed though 2011.

Avery has been injured throughout his career even with minor stuff but he will see time next year as he doesn't cost St Louis anything at this point. Will he be signed long term? He won't ask for an extension and it is unlikely St Louis will do it with his injury and also to see what he can do over a full season with Bradford.

Of course, posted comments in addition to your vote would be much appreciated!

One other thing I would like to add is that perhaps the future WR1 in St Louis, the guy that will post 90/1,250/8-10 TDs...perhaps that guy is not on the roster yet. What would happen if they brought in Vincent Jackson or some other disgruntled WR from another team who will be eager to work with Bradford? Even some FA WRs that will hit the market this off season. It's entirely possible the Bradford to Harrison/Rice/Duper connection is not on the team yet. And what about when they get a real explosive TE to help things out?

There is a lot of information we don't have yet.

Couch, awesome thread, well done and I am so happy the off season is approaching and we can look forward to these type of threads.

Cheers,

MOP

 

[Bri]

Clayton- He and Bradford had played/practiced together before this year and were clearly very comfortable with each other.

He's outstanding at placing the ball for any of these WRs and all but, Avery is far better than the list of guys that will be has-beens. He's got an injury to worry us. Whatever rookie they draft won't be ready right away. Even in a worst case scenario (for Clayton) with Avery and some rookie starting, Clayton will still get the ball a ton from the slot.

I can only imagine what it's like to be a stud rookie QB with "no one" to throw to, but Clayton looked great with Bradford and even the brief memory of when he was there looked better than some of these guys. It's really odd all in one season, but I think Clayton just got himself a career.

 

[Bri]

Amendola will be like Mike Furrey and quickly forgotten after a surprisingly productive year. Alexander is done being FF relevant if they draft a "name" WR. You can call him the best 4th WR on a team if you want, but ....

Laurent-->UFL

 

[DansRams]

Amendola will be like Mike Furrey and quickly forgotten after a surprisingly productive year. Alexander is done being FF relevant if they draft a "name" WR. You can call him the best 4th WR on a team if you want, but ....Laurent-->UFL

You can say you expect DX to get injured again, but to simply say a "name" wr will make him irrelevant, just shows you haven't watched him play. The guy is a top 10-15 talent...lack of health is the only thing that may get in the way.

 

[Couch Potato]

Couch, awesome thread, well done and I am so happy the off season is approaching and we can look forward to these type of threads. Cheers,MOP

Thanks MOP. I didn't post much in-season (still read here though) with work, life, holidays, managing my teams (too many!) and leagues I commish. I enjoy the SP in the offseason as well, and always enjoy your posts throughout the year.Happy New Year to you.CP

 

[duaneok66]

Amendola will be like Mike Furrey and quickly forgotten after a surprisingly productive year. Alexander is done being FF relevant if they draft a "name" WR. You can call him the best 4th WR on a team if you want, but ....Laurent-->UFL

You can say you expect DX to get injured again, but to simply say a "name" wr will make him irrelevant, just shows you haven't watched him play. The guy is a top 10-15 talent...lack of health is the only thing that may get in the way.

top 10-15 talent . . . come on . . . I know he was hurt in college, but we always hear about player X (that went undrafted) that has top 10-15 talent . . . there's like a hundred of them at any one time . . . you're talking about a guy that got his chance ONLY because the Rams had receiver after receiver go down , and it's not like you're talking about household names either (Avery, Clayton, Robinson) . . .

 

[DansRams]

Amendola will be like Mike Furrey and quickly forgotten after a surprisingly productive year. Alexander is done being FF relevant if they draft a "name" WR. You can call him the best 4th WR on a team if you want, but ....Laurent-->UFL

You can say you expect DX to get injured again, but to simply say a "name" wr will make him irrelevant, just shows you haven't watched him play. The guy is a top 10-15 talent...lack of health is the only thing that may get in the way.

top 10-15 talent . . . come on . . . I know he was hurt in college, but we always hear about player X (that went undrafted) that has top 10-15 talent . . . there's like a hundred of them at any one time . . . you're talking about a guy that got his chance ONLY because the Rams had receiver after receiver go down , and it's not like you're talking about household names either (Avery, Clayton, Robinson) . . .

Watch with your own eyes. The kid went for 4/72/1 in his FIRST game. He went from injured/damaged goods to making a difference in NFL games as a rookie. Yes, he is that type of talent....we will have to see if he can stay healthy.

 

[Go deep]

Amendola will be like Mike Furrey and quickly forgotten after a surprisingly productive year. Alexander is done being FF relevant if they draft a "name" WR. You can call him the best 4th WR on a team if you want, but ....Laurent-->UFL

You can say you expect DX to get injured again, but to simply say a "name" wr will make him irrelevant, just shows you haven't watched him play. The guy is a top 10-15 talent...lack of health is the only thing that may get in the way.

top 10-15 talent . . . come on . . . I know he was hurt in college, but we always hear about player X (that went undrafted) that has top 10-15 talent . . . there's like a hundred of them at any one time . . . you're talking about a guy that got his chance ONLY because the Rams had receiver after receiver go down , and it's not like you're talking about household names either (Avery, Clayton, Robinson) . . .

Watch with your own eyes. The kid went for 4/72/1 in his FIRST game. He went from injured/damaged goods to making a difference in NFL games as a rookie. Yes, he is that type of talent....we will have to see if he can stay healthy.

Mark Clayton had 10 receptions for 119 yards in his first game, and he was only on the team for a week or two before that. Not to take anything from Alexander, but no way is he a top 10-15 WR talent.

 

[DansRams]

Amendola will be like Mike Furrey and quickly forgotten after a surprisingly productive year. Alexander is done being FF relevant if they draft a "name" WR. You can call him the best 4th WR on a team if you want, but ....Laurent-->UFL

You can say you expect DX to get injured again, but to simply say a "name" wr will make him irrelevant, just shows you haven't watched him play. The guy is a top 10-15 talent...lack of health is the only thing that may get in the way.

top 10-15 talent . . . come on . . . I know he was hurt in college, but we always hear about player X (that went undrafted) that has top 10-15 talent . . . there's like a hundred of them at any one time . . . you're talking about a guy that got his chance ONLY because the Rams had receiver after receiver go down , and it's not like you're talking about household names either (Avery, Clayton, Robinson) . . .

Watch with your own eyes. The kid went for 4/72/1 in his FIRST game. He went from injured/damaged goods to making a difference in NFL games as a rookie. Yes, he is that type of talent....we will have to see if he can stay healthy.

Mark Clayton had 10 receptions for 119 yards in his first game, and he was only on the team for a week or two before that. Not to take anything from Alexander, but no way is he a top 10-15 WR talent.

I rememeber you saying similar things about Foster.

 

[DansRams]

Amendola will be like Mike Furrey and quickly forgotten after a surprisingly productive year. Alexander is done being FF relevant if they draft a "name" WR. You can call him the best 4th WR on a team if you want, but ....Laurent-->UFL

You can say you expect DX to get injured again, but to simply say a "name" wr will make him irrelevant, just shows you haven't watched him play. The guy is a top 10-15 talent...lack of health is the only thing that may get in the way.

top 10-15 talent . . . come on . . . I know he was hurt in college, but we always hear about player X (that went undrafted) that has top 10-15 talent . . . there's like a hundred of them at any one time . . . you're talking about a guy that got his chance ONLY because the Rams had receiver after receiver go down , and it's not like you're talking about household names either (Avery, Clayton, Robinson) . . .

Watch with your own eyes. The kid went for 4/72/1 in his FIRST game. He went from injured/damaged goods to making a difference in NFL games as a rookie. Yes, he is that type of talent....we will have to see if he can stay healthy.

Mark Clayton had 10 receptions for 119 yards in his first game, and he was only on the team for a week or two before that. Not to take anything from Alexander, but no way is he a top 10-15 WR talent.

BTW...I believe you have Maclin as your current #15 wr....you know him, he's the guy who's own college coach described DX as the better player. Then again...what does a coach know...

 

[Go deep]

I rememeber you saying similar things about Foster.

I stilll say the same thing about Foster. Yes, he is definitely better than i originally gave him credit for, but i still dont think he is a top 10 Rb talent.What does Foster have to do with Alexander anyway?

 

[Go deep]

BTW...I believe you have Maclin as your current #15 wr....you know him, he's the guy who's own college coach described DX as the better player. Then again...what does a coach know...

Im not sure what coaches know, but Alexanders current coaches cut him, and assigned him to the practice squad(which means any team could have signed him and didnt) early in the season. They only brought him up when Clayton was IR'ed.Like i said, i have no problem with Alexander, he has some talent and upside, but he is not a top 10-15 talent. He may end up being a top 15 WR sometime in the future, but he is certainly not there yet, and is highly unlikely to ever get there.Where would you rank Alexander right now in your dynasy WR rankings?Before you point out that he doesnt show up in my top 60 WR's, i will admit he probably belongs on the list, but i will wait until the offseason to reavaluate some of the young talent. Either way, he wont be in my top 40.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

so basically everyone wants Danario and this a attempt to drive his stock down. cool

 

[DansRams]

BTW...I believe you have Maclin as your current #15 wr....you know him, he's the guy who's own college coach described DX as the better player. Then again...what does a coach know...

Im not sure what coaches know, but Alexanders current coaches cut him, and assigned him to the practice squad(which means any team could have signed him and didnt) early in the season. They only brought him when Clayton was IR'ed.Like i said, i have no problem with Alexander, he has some talent and upside, but he is not a top 10-15 talent. He may end up being a top 15 WR sometime in the future, but he is certainly not there yet, and is highly unlikely to ever get there.Where would you rank Alexander right now in your dynasy WR rankings?Before you point out that he doesnt show up in my top 60 WR's, i will admit he probably belings on the list, but i will wait until the offseason to reavaluate some of the young talent. Either way, he wont be in my top 40.

I am currently working on my rankings, but I would imagine he will fall in the 30-35 range, but that is due to injury risk....without injury risk I would have him in the 20 range (right around/behind Tampa Mike) as he has yet to proove anything yet....yet. What I see is a big, fast and athletic kid with great hands and work ethic. He gets seperation with ease and is great after the catch. A very special talent. He also happens to be on the same team as Bradford...and that doesn't hurt.BTW for clarification you an I use "talent" statements differently..,.when I say a top 10-15 talent, I mean capabe of putting up top 10-15 numbers. I don't know how any of us can rank all of these great athletes based on talent alone. DHB is an amazing "talent"...but what does that get you.

 

[Go deep]

BTW...I believe you have Maclin as your current #15 wr....you know him, he's the guy who's own college coach described DX as the better player. Then again...what does a coach know...

Im not sure what coaches know, but Alexanders current coaches cut him, and assigned him to the practice squad(which means any team could have signed him and didnt) early in the season. They only brought him when Clayton was IR'ed.Like i said, i have no problem with Alexander, he has some talent and upside, but he is not a top 10-15 talent. He may end up being a top 15 WR sometime in the future, but he is certainly not there yet, and is highly unlikely to ever get there.Where would you rank Alexander right now in your dynasy WR rankings?Before you point out that he doesnt show up in my top 60 WR's, i will admit he probably belings on the list, but i will wait until the offseason to reavaluate some of the young talent. Either way, he wont be in my top 40.

I am currently working on my rankings, but I would imagine he will fall in the 30-35 range, but that is due to injury risk....without injury risk I would have him in the 20 range (right around/behind Tampa Mike) as he has yet to proove anything yet....yet. What I see is a big, fast and athletic kid with great hands and work ethic. He gets seperation with ease and is great after the catch. A very special talent. He also happens to be on the same team as Bradford...and that doesn't hurt.BTW for clarification you an I use "talent" statements differently..,.when I say a top 10-15 talent, I mean capabe of putting up top 10-15 numbers. I don't know how any of us can rank all of these great athletes based on talent alone. DHB is an amazing "talent"...but what does that get you.

I wont disagree that he is capable of putting up top 15 numbers, but so are most the WR's in the league. Brandon Lloyd is currently the #2 WR right now.

 

[DansRams]

BTW...I believe you have Maclin as your current #15 wr....you know him, he's the guy who's own college coach described DX as the better player. Then again...what does a coach know...

Im not sure what coaches know, but Alexanders current coaches cut him, and assigned him to the practice squad(which means any team could have signed him and didnt) early in the season. They only brought him when Clayton was IR'ed.Like i said, i have no problem with Alexander, he has some talent and upside, but he is not a top 10-15 talent. He may end up being a top 15 WR sometime in the future, but he is certainly not there yet, and is highly unlikely to ever get there.Where would you rank Alexander right now in your dynasy WR rankings?Before you point out that he doesnt show up in my top 60 WR's, i will admit he probably belings on the list, but i will wait until the offseason to reavaluate some of the young talent. Either way, he wont be in my top 40.

I am currently working on my rankings, but I would imagine he will fall in the 30-35 range, but that is due to injury risk....without injury risk I would have him in the 20 range (right around/behind Tampa Mike) as he has yet to proove anything yet....yet. What I see is a big, fast and athletic kid with great hands and work ethic. He gets seperation with ease and is great after the catch. A very special talent. He also happens to be on the same team as Bradford...and that doesn't hurt.BTW for clarification you an I use "talent" statements differently..,.when I say a top 10-15 talent, I mean capabe of putting up top 10-15 numbers. I don't know how any of us can rank all of these great athletes based on talent alone. DHB is an amazing "talent"...but what does that get you.

I wont disagree that he is capable of putting up top 15 numbers, but so are most the WR's in the league. Brandon Lloyd is currently the #2 WR right now.

many maybe...most...I think not

 

[Go deep]

BTW...I believe you have Maclin as your current #15 wr....you know him, he's the guy who's own college coach described DX as the better player. Then again...what does a coach know...

Im not sure what coaches know, but Alexanders current coaches cut him, and assigned him to the practice squad(which means any team could have signed him and didnt) early in the season. They only brought him when Clayton was IR'ed.Like i said, i have no problem with Alexander, he has some talent and upside, but he is not a top 10-15 talent. He may end up being a top 15 WR sometime in the future, but he is certainly not there yet, and is highly unlikely to ever get there.Where would you rank Alexander right now in your dynasy WR rankings?Before you point out that he doesnt show up in my top 60 WR's, i will admit he probably belings on the list, but i will wait until the offseason to reavaluate some of the young talent. Either way, he wont be in my top 40.

I am currently working on my rankings, but I would imagine he will fall in the 30-35 range, but that is due to injury risk....without injury risk I would have him in the 20 range (right around/behind Tampa Mike) as he has yet to proove anything yet....yet. What I see is a big, fast and athletic kid with great hands and work ethic. He gets seperation with ease and is great after the catch. A very special talent. He also happens to be on the same team as Bradford...and that doesn't hurt.BTW for clarification you an I use "talent" statements differently..,.when I say a top 10-15 talent, I mean capabe of putting up top 10-15 numbers. I don't know how any of us can rank all of these great athletes based on talent alone. DHB is an amazing "talent"...but what does that get you.

I wont disagree that he is capable of putting up top 15 numbers, but so are most the WR's in the league. Brandon Lloyd is currently the #2 WR right now.

many maybe...most...I think not

Many, most, alot, etc, point remains. Alexander was considered a mid round pick before his injury and went undrafted after it. He has shown some talent, and had a decent game or two, but he has less than 300 yards and a TD on a team that made Mark Clayton look like a Probowler. Im going to need to see alot more before i put him anywhere near my top 20. Alexander is the flavor of the week in St. Louis, but i still believe that Avery is the guy to own there. I will say that i dont really think the Rams need to spend a high pick on a Wr in the 2011 draft. With Avery, Alexander, Clayton, Robinson, Gilyard all healthy and another year under theirs(and Bradfords) belts, i think they will be fine going forward.

 

[Tau837]

Great thread, CP.

 

[Bri]

Amendola will be like Mike Furrey and quickly forgotten after a surprisingly productive year. Alexander is done being FF relevant if they draft a "name" WR. You can call him the best 4th WR on a team if you want, but ....Laurent-->UFL

You can say you expect DX to get injured again, but to simply say a "name" wr will make him irrelevant, just shows you haven't watched him play. The guy is a top 10-15 talent...lack of health is the only thing that may get in the way.

He's not a top 10-15 talent in the NFL. Those are Fitz, Andre, Moss etc. Top 10-15 in college or as a rook or whatnot...that's not really relevant anymore.My reasoning is he needs time to develop and he won't get it-not in the way FFers and dynasty league folks want. Until he is ready, he is not starting over Clayton and Avery. I also would rather have Amendola in the slot over him. Amendola is efficient there and to me the slot is more about efficiency than big plays. Clayton would edge either in the slot too. DX (as you call him) has to "make a living" outside in STL. I've watched football for "forever" and played FF just as long. I've wanted a young guy to develop a thousand times and often mistakenly thought that some first rounder would actually come in behind (IE DX has a year of learning ahead of a rook) so the 2nd year guy has an edge. He doesn't. First rounders start and/or play significant minutes quickly. Kenny Britt dropped (still does) a ton of easy passes as a rook but they let him work through it. There's probably been 100 WRs in camps the last two years that have been cut for dropping gimmes like he did. Roy Williams played well this year. Dez Bryant still got in.Crabtree barely practiced after holding out as a rook and he was quickly starting. In the NFL there is a feeling of zero commitment to later picks but a feeling of a 5-10 year commitment to first rounders. It's undeniable and I have tried to in the past.The thing most people miss is the lack of practice reps that non-starters get. That dramatically affects most of these young WRs very quickly and forces a big turnaround. Sure NFL coaches and GMs know that if they just gave them more time they'd develop, but there's only so much time in a day and the lesser players just have to take what they can get here. It is very hard for young third string players to develop into quality NFL players, very much unlikely. We hear of the ones that do and that morphs the giant number of ones that don't pan out.Average NFL career is 3-4 years and this is part of that.Feel free to "fall in love" with this guy, but if you don't read about him getting first team reps next summer you have to strongly consider bailing.

 

[DansRams]

Amendola will be like Mike Furrey and quickly forgotten after a surprisingly productive year. Alexander is done being FF relevant if they draft a "name" WR. You can call him the best 4th WR on a team if you want, but ....

Laurent-->UFL

You can say you expect DX to get injured again, but to simply say a "name" wr will make him irrelevant, just shows you haven't watched him play. The guy is a top 10-15 talent...lack of health is the only thing that may get in the way.

He's not a top 10-15 talent in the NFL. Those are Fitz, Andre, Moss etc. Top 10-15 in college or as a rook or whatnot...that's not really relevant anymore.My reasoning is he needs time to develop and he won't get it-not in the way FFers and dynasty league folks want. Until he is ready, he is not starting over Clayton and Avery. I also would rather have Amendola in the slot over him. Amendola is efficient there and to me the slot is more about efficiency than big plays. Clayton would edge either in the slot too. DX (as you call him) has to "make a living" outside in STL.

I've watched football for "forever" and played FF just as long. I've wanted a young guy to develop a thousand times and often mistakenly thought that some first rounder would actually come in behind (IE DX has a year of learning ahead of a rook) so the 2nd year guy has an edge. He doesn't. First rounders start and/or play significant minutes quickly.

Kenny Britt dropped (still does) a ton of easy passes as a rook but they let him work through it. There's probably been 100 WRs in camps the last two years that have been cut for dropping gimmes like he did.

Roy Williams played well this year. Dez Bryant still got in.

Crabtree barely practiced after holding out as a rook and he was quickly starting.

In the NFL there is a feeling of zero commitment to later picks but a feeling of a 5-10 year commitment to first rounders. It's undeniable and I have tried to in the past.

The thing most people miss is the lack of practice reps that non-starters get. That dramatically affects most of these young WRs very quickly and forces a big turnaround. Sure NFL coaches and GMs know that if they just gave them more time they'd develop, but there's only so much time in a day and the lesser players just have to take what they can get here. It is very hard for young third string players to develop into quality NFL players, very much unlikely. We hear of the ones that do and that morphs the giant number of ones that don't pan out.

Average NFL career is 3-4 years and this is part of that.

Feel free to "fall in love" with this guy, but if you don't read about him getting first team reps next summer you have to strongly consider bailing.

"I've watched football for "forever" and played FF just as long"....Well that makes all the diffference...I guess I'll listen to you

"I've wanted a young guy to develop a thousand times and often mistakenly "...ooops maybe not

"Roy Williams played well this year"..... getting colder

Bottom line...save your "I watched football forever' for someone else ...if you don't like/think DX (many call him that) will be a player then fine, but you are stating what you believe are "general rules" and I think that is foolish. Those general rules may be right more often than wrong, but I'm searching for the gem's that show up when those rules are wrong too. If you don't then you miss out on the Foster's, Colston's, etc etc etc

As I stated previously..."What I see is a big, fast and athletic kid with great hands and work ethic. He gets seperation with ease and is great after the catch. A very special talent. He also happens to be on the same team as Bradford...and that doesn't hurt."

We can agree to disagree...good luck to you. I'll let you know how the DX thing works out

 

[squistion]

Amendola will be like Mike Furrey and quickly forgotten after a surprisingly productive year. Alexander is done being FF relevant if they draft a "name" WR. You can call him the best 4th WR on a team if you want, but ....Laurent-->UFL

You can say you expect DX to get injured again, but to simply say a "name" wr will make him irrelevant, just shows you haven't watched him play. The guy is a top 10-15 talent...lack of health is the only thing that may get in the way.

He's not a top 10-15 talent in the NFL. Those are Fitz, Andre, Moss etc. Top 10-15 in college or as a rook or whatnot...that's not really relevant anymore.My reasoning is he needs time to develop and he won't get it-not in the way FFers and dynasty league folks want. Until he is ready, he is not starting over Clayton and Avery. I also would rather have Amendola in the slot over him. Amendola is efficient there and to me the slot is more about efficiency than big plays. Clayton would edge either in the slot too. DX (as you call him) has to "make a living" outside in STL. I've watched football for "forever" and played FF just as long. I've wanted a young guy to develop a thousand times and often mistakenly thought that some first rounder would actually come in behind (IE DX has a year of learning ahead of a rook) so the 2nd year guy has an edge. He doesn't. First rounders start and/or play significant minutes quickly. Kenny Britt dropped (still does) a ton of easy passes as a rook but they let him work through it. There's probably been 100 WRs in camps the last two years that have been cut for dropping gimmes like he did. Roy Williams played well this year. Dez Bryant still got in.Crabtree barely practiced after holding out as a rook and he was quickly starting. In the NFL there is a feeling of zero commitment to later picks but a feeling of a 5-10 year commitment to first rounders. It's undeniable and I have tried to in the past.The thing most people miss is the lack of practice reps that non-starters get. That dramatically affects most of these young WRs very quickly and forces a big turnaround. Sure NFL coaches and GMs know that if they just gave them more time they'd develop, but there's only so much time in a day and the lesser players just have to take what they can get here. It is very hard for young third string players to develop into quality NFL players, very much unlikely. We hear of the ones that do and that morphs the giant number of ones that don't pan out.Average NFL career is 3-4 years and this is part of that.Feel free to "fall in love" with this guy, but if you don't read about him getting first team reps next summer you have to strongly consider bailing.

I think you make some good points here, particularly with getting reps (or the lack thereof) being tied to success in the NFL. Also I agree that a first round choice will be given every opportunity to make it, while less patience is given to those taken in later rounds - almost with a direct correlation to where a player was drafted (some organizations like The Saints being an exception).However, I don't believe that a first round pick would necessarily be the kiss-of-death for DX with the Rams. Your examples are interesting, but Dez Bryant was drafted because of how disappointing Roy Williams has been for the Cowboys - so it is hardly surprising he was given a shot at starting over him. Yes, the Titans have been very patient with Britt, but what serious competition has he had? Same with Crabtree, a super talent who started two weeks after coming in, but he only had to beat out Isaac Bruce, Josh Morgan and Jason Hill. Anyway, I think the people that like DX here are just recommending him as a sleeper pick that you can acquire fairly cheaply - not suggesting you mortgage the farm to get him. Yes, if Clayton comes back he may be 3rd string. If a free agent like Vincent Jackson is brought in, then he doesn't have much value at all. A first round WR would certainly throw a monkey wrench into his prospects but considering about 40-50% of those are complete busts, it might still work out for him.This is simply a player with high upside to take a flyer on. Will he ultimately succeed? Probably not - but I think he is worth trying to acquire with his asking price currently being devalued due to his injury history and all the uncertainty as to how the WR position will shake out with the Rams next year.

 

[Bri]

"I've watched football for "forever" and played FF just as long"....Well that makes all the diffference...I guess I'll listen to you"I've wanted a young guy to develop a thousand times and often mistakenly "...ooops maybe not

You split up a sentence where I point out a "been there done that" mistake I've made "a thousand times" and somehow took that as arrogance on my part?