Sand
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Another killer performance this weekend. Many congrats!
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Ran a 10k in June (7 Viewers)
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Well done! Keep this up and you'll need to change your avatar.
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The_Man
Footballguy
wraith - you're getting right back on that horse, aren't you? Just a month between marathons! Good luck!
Ned - Great 10k. Keep it up, you are making huge progress.
PMB - good to hear you're back up to speed. I'll be monitoring your recovery closely as a guide for mine.
PSL - hang in there, GB. Hope that calf gets straightened out soon. It's you and me in Boston 2012 - we've got until next October to get it figured out!
D-House - Great 5K! I never quite cracked 18 back in high school, so I know I couldn't do it now.
Grue - I'm going to take a couple of weeks of some easy recovery and then think about what's next. Right now, I'm thinking I won't have the time/inclination to train until after Jan. 1, so I might look at targeting a race in late spring/early summer. Green Bay might be a little far for me. I used to live in Burlington and have tons of friends still there, so I'm kind of thinking Vermont City Marathon on Memorial Day weekend. Might be too hilly, though! I know the Pfitz 18/55 is probably right, but I don't know if I have time for the long runs midweek. I'll give you a shout when I'm ready to start thinking about next steps.
BnB - thanks for the post-marathon recovery info. Very, very helpful!
Mad Cow - great stories. Congrats on what sounds like an awesome day.
Ned - Great 10k. Keep it up, you are making huge progress.
PMB - good to hear you're back up to speed. I'll be monitoring your recovery closely as a guide for mine.
PSL - hang in there, GB. Hope that calf gets straightened out soon. It's you and me in Boston 2012 - we've got until next October to get it figured out!
D-House - Great 5K! I never quite cracked 18 back in high school, so I know I couldn't do it now.
Grue - I'm going to take a couple of weeks of some easy recovery and then think about what's next. Right now, I'm thinking I won't have the time/inclination to train until after Jan. 1, so I might look at targeting a race in late spring/early summer. Green Bay might be a little far for me. I used to live in Burlington and have tons of friends still there, so I'm kind of thinking Vermont City Marathon on Memorial Day weekend. Might be too hilly, though! I know the Pfitz 18/55 is probably right, but I don't know if I have time for the long runs midweek. I'll give you a shout when I'm ready to start thinking about next steps.
BnB - thanks for the post-marathon recovery info. Very, very helpful!
Mad Cow - great stories. Congrats on what sounds like an awesome day.
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Ned
Footballguy
So I plugged yesterday's 10k results into the McMillan calculator for S&G to see what it said my HM time could be. 1:50 on the kisser. Could that have been any bigger of a carrot? 
I'm really leary of revising my 2hr goal, but man seeing that 1:50 on the screen makes me want it bad.
I'm really leary of revising my 2hr goal, but man seeing that 1:50 on the screen makes me want it bad.
wraith5
Footballguy
Consider me motivated by all of these terrific races you guys are logging!! Honestly with the conditions at Chicago looming, grue was already talking about Veterans when we got together for the Expo, so a couple of days after the race I texted him asking if he was still thinking about it. I know he's got an unbelieveable race in him and it would be a real privilege to be there for it (or "nearby for it" is maybe more accurate - about 6.5 miles away or so!).
I don't really know if I have a sub-4 in me or not, but I know I've got a PR in me - once I started looking at Chicago as a long (and miserable) training run, and I logged the 22 miler a week ago, I felt like I could do another one now. I'm just going to run slow & easy and do my best to keep going this time around. If I can, as grue put it, "Get my head right" on this one, I can formulate a gameplan for the spring.
On a related note, I'm really amazed at how low your heart rate stayed for the marathon yesterday. I know HR varies a lot from one person to another, but for you to be pressing at the end and still be below my ave HR when I start a race... wow.
The_Man
Footballguy
You also have a very good marathon in you - just a matter of getting it all sorted out.It seems I just have a low HR, especially on the max end. The very highest it's ever gotten on my Garmin is 176. I'm not religious about HR training, but have found it be an incredibly useful tool - I've learned that I can keep my HR pegged at 159 for a very long time, but as soon as it gets above 160, if I don't slow it down, it will quickly rise and rise to the 170 range until I bonk.
I think that's another reason I seem to be built for longer runs, rather than - for example - the 5k. I just can't generate enough horsepower for the shorter distances.
pmbrown_22
Footballguy
I am taking a pretty relaxed recovery period so far. Just trying to keep my mileage around 40 - 45 per week and make sure that I heal up completely. I may go as high as 50 and see how that makes me feel. I love running this time of year so it is not hard for me to get out there and do it. I may try and through in a little speed work here and there to try and improve my VO2 Max a bit, but not sure if that is possible for what I am doing right now.As far as the 18/55, Grue talked me into it and it was a great decision. I did the 70, but the 55 would work really well for you. As for time, there is always time. It is the sleep that is overrated. Just kidding on that one, tired just seems to be my normal state of affairs.The_Man said:
pmbrown_22
Footballguy
I think that you got this one. The weather will make all the difference for you.wraith5 said:
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Great stories; great races, guys!
PSL - the good news is you'll go into your half-IM with low expectations. That might help. actually. Maybe the swim and bike will heat/loosen up the legs so you can run. Remember, you'll be running much slower than you otherwise would in a stand alone race, so it might not aggravate the calf. Fingers crossed for ya, buddy!
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With my 5K out of the way, I had a very slow week with just one short run (on top of some yoga and lunges/squats). One thing I've realized, with plenty of time before getting serious about my marathon training, is that I need to rebuild my running stride. I've gotten too sloppy with a bad reach of the lower leg and too much heel strike. I need to control that and use more leg lift and a better foot placement. So I'll take it careful, and concentrate on all my runs. Better to get it right and set myself up for some solid runs in 2011.
PSL - the good news is you'll go into your half-IM with low expectations. That might help. actually. Maybe the swim and bike will heat/loosen up the legs so you can run. Remember, you'll be running much slower than you otherwise would in a stand alone race, so it might not aggravate the calf. Fingers crossed for ya, buddy!
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With my 5K out of the way, I had a very slow week with just one short run (on top of some yoga and lunges/squats). One thing I've realized, with plenty of time before getting serious about my marathon training, is that I need to rebuild my running stride. I've gotten too sloppy with a bad reach of the lower leg and too much heel strike. I need to control that and use more leg lift and a better foot placement. So I'll take it careful, and concentrate on all my runs. Better to get it right and set myself up for some solid runs in 2011.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
tri-man 47 said:
This attitude was, very much, my approach to my HIM in July after getting wrecked three weeks prior. I went in to the race with zero expectations, other than a strong desire to finish (and not completely destroy myself in the process). This was kind of liberating compared to most "big" races. I slept well the night before the event and was strangely calm on race morning, right up to the gun. PSL, if you already think you are going to DNF, you are setting yourself up for failure. Instead, set yourself up for an attempt success by altering your expectations. Visualize what it'll feel like to finish and work backwards. Know that the calf will likely slow you down on the run and that walking or at least slow running are going to be a part of it. Take comfort in the fact that you won't be the only one (trust me on this, this will be people WAY more fit than you resorting to some ugly forms of running and walking). Know that you own the bike leg, you do and you will. As for the swim, don't rush a long day. Get in the back of your wave and let others do the work for you. Follow the bubbles for an easy draft and screw the mosh pit at the start. Something to think about for transitions. If there is something you can do to alleviate what might occur to the shoulder and/or calf, pack what you need to address it in transition. Do not rush these, it is just not worth it. If you use The Stick or something else to self massage calf cramping, pack it and spend the 30 to 40 seconds working it out before the run. Have Icy Hot ready, or whatever else you think you might need. Lecture over.________Work and personal travel have had me playing catch up here. My apologies for not being able to congratulate all this weekend's racers separately, CONGRATULATIONS to all, you guys all killed it!
10-1: 3.1 mi @ 8'16", 25'40", 150 hr 10-2: 3.3 mi, 30'55", 134 hr + 22 mi bike 10-3: 5.6 mi @ 7'44" (gps was off), 43'24", 138 hr 10-4: off 10-5: 3.1 mi @ 8'09", 25'02", 140 hr 10-6: 3.1 mi @ 9'09", 28'40", 127 hr 10-7: 4 mi @ 9'40", 38'43", 140 hr
10-8: 3.5 mi @ 9'31", 33'20", 130 hr 10-9: 2.2 mi @ 9'00", 20'00", 135 hr 10-10: 3.1 mi @ 8'54", 27'36", 141 hr AND 3.2 mi @ 8'47", 141 hr 10-11: 9.0 mi @ 8'59", 1:20'43", 138 hr 10-12: 3.21 @ 9'38", 30'56", 131 hr 10-12: 4 mi @ 8'24", 33'35", 142 hr 10-13: 3.1 @ 9'58", 30'49", 132 hr 10-14: 2.2 mi bike ride + 3.31 mi @ 9'15", 30'36", 136 hr 10-15: 3 mi @ 8'42", 26'10", 140 hr 10-16: 2.14 mi @ 9'43", 20'42", 140 hr 10-17: 3 mi @ 9'27", 28'21", 134 hr 10-18: 4 mi @ 8'39", 34'35", 131 hr 10-18: 2 mi @ 10'32", 21'03", 120 hr 10-19: 3.5 mi @ 9'45", 34'08", 128 hr 10-20: off 10-21: 15 mi bike ride, 5 min run which doesn't count 10-22: 3.11 mi @ 7'43", 23'58", 150 hr 10-23: 2.76 mi @ 8'5", 24'31", 132 hr plus 38 mi bike ride
10-24: 2 mi @ 10'00" and 4.5 mi @ 8'36", 38'43", 134 hr
10-25: 2.6 mi @ 10'23", 27'00", 123 hr
10-26: 3 mi @ 9'20", 27'58", 124 hr
10-27: 3.1 mi @ 8'25", 26'02", 139 hr
10-28: off
10-29: 2.55 mi @ 7'51", 20'00", 145 hr
10-30: off
10-31: off
29 runs in 31 days, 96.97 miles for October
11-1: 3.1 mi @ 7'45", 23'58", 147 hr
Pretty happy with 6 runs during my 8 day pheasant hunting trip. It was hard to get movtivated to run after spending most of the days walking the fields. Got back on the horse yesterday with a solid 5k effort. Weight is up to 227, but I can't complain about a 3 lb gain with the food and drink that was consumed. A little disappointed that I fell 3 miles short of 100 for October, but that gives me a target for November. Down two runs so I'll have to pick up some double up days to catch up.
10-8: 3.5 mi @ 9'31", 33'20", 130 hr 10-9: 2.2 mi @ 9'00", 20'00", 135 hr 10-10: 3.1 mi @ 8'54", 27'36", 141 hr AND 3.2 mi @ 8'47", 141 hr 10-11: 9.0 mi @ 8'59", 1:20'43", 138 hr 10-12: 3.21 @ 9'38", 30'56", 131 hr 10-12: 4 mi @ 8'24", 33'35", 142 hr 10-13: 3.1 @ 9'58", 30'49", 132 hr 10-14: 2.2 mi bike ride + 3.31 mi @ 9'15", 30'36", 136 hr 10-15: 3 mi @ 8'42", 26'10", 140 hr 10-16: 2.14 mi @ 9'43", 20'42", 140 hr 10-17: 3 mi @ 9'27", 28'21", 134 hr 10-18: 4 mi @ 8'39", 34'35", 131 hr 10-18: 2 mi @ 10'32", 21'03", 120 hr 10-19: 3.5 mi @ 9'45", 34'08", 128 hr 10-20: off 10-21: 15 mi bike ride, 5 min run which doesn't count 10-22: 3.11 mi @ 7'43", 23'58", 150 hr 10-23: 2.76 mi @ 8'5", 24'31", 132 hr plus 38 mi bike ride
10-24: 2 mi @ 10'00" and 4.5 mi @ 8'36", 38'43", 134 hr
10-25: 2.6 mi @ 10'23", 27'00", 123 hr
10-26: 3 mi @ 9'20", 27'58", 124 hr
10-27: 3.1 mi @ 8'25", 26'02", 139 hr
10-28: off
10-29: 2.55 mi @ 7'51", 20'00", 145 hr
10-30: off
10-31: off
29 runs in 31 days, 96.97 miles for October
11-1: 3.1 mi @ 7'45", 23'58", 147 hr
Pretty happy with 6 runs during my 8 day pheasant hunting trip. It was hard to get movtivated to run after spending most of the days walking the fields. Got back on the horse yesterday with a solid 5k effort. Weight is up to 227, but I can't complain about a 3 lb gain with the food and drink that was consumed. A little disappointed that I fell 3 miles short of 100 for October, but that gives me a target for November. Down two runs so I'll have to pick up some double up days to catch up.
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
Great job Turtle!
2Young and Tri-Man: thanks for trying to encourage me through this, but my calf is freakishly feeling worse each day even without doing anything on it. I'm limping pretty bad today, and couldn't be more frustrated. I'm not too confident to be able to finish this week, and don't know if I'll even be able to get on the bike. IF I can jog through the transition, I'm getting on that damn bike. IF I can run out of T2, I'll attempt the damn run. My much bigger fear is that I tear the muscle even further, causing me to have zero chance to run the Houston marathon (it will be 12 weeks out; and if I need even just 4 weeks to recover, I'll be screwed). I'm not quitting yet, but my expectations are pretty much at their lowest
2Young and Tri-Man: thanks for trying to encourage me through this, but my calf is freakishly feeling worse each day even without doing anything on it. I'm limping pretty bad today, and couldn't be more frustrated. I'm not too confident to be able to finish this week, and don't know if I'll even be able to get on the bike. IF I can jog through the transition, I'm getting on that damn bike. IF I can run out of T2, I'll attempt the damn run. My much bigger fear is that I tear the muscle even further, causing me to have zero chance to run the Houston marathon (it will be 12 weeks out; and if I need even just 4 weeks to recover, I'll be screwed). I'm not quitting yet, but my expectations are pretty much at their lowest
wraith5
Footballguy
I'm really sorry about your injury, PSL. I may have missed this, but have you had someone take a look at it?
85 minutes on the bike trainer last night - just straight spinning at 85 rpm on the small crank, middle gear. HR stayed below 155 as long as my cadence was 85 or lower - when I crept above that my HR followed right along.
85 minutes on the bike trainer last night - just straight spinning at 85 rpm on the small crank, middle gear. HR stayed below 155 as long as my cadence was 85 or lower - when I crept above that my HR followed right along.
gruecd
Footballguy
PSL - Sorry about your calf. 
Keeping my fingers crossed for a miraculous recovery.
Ned - Sorry about your training partner. If it makes you feel any better, there were a whopping FOUR people who finished sub-3 at Veterans last year (and only five who went sub-3:05), so I'll likely be running alone, too. And twice as far.
Ran an awesomely cool, crisp 5-miler this morning under starry skies to follow up on the 8 that I ran yesterday. The race itself is in 11 days, and I have no idea what to expect. I'll shoot for the sub-3, if only because that's the only reason I'm really doing it. Plan is to go through the half a little under 1:30 and just see what happens. Legs have felt noticeably good the last couple of days, so hopefully that's a good sign, but I'm a little scared that they haven't gotten enough recovery time after Chicago. In any case, I probably won't know the answer to that question until I'm 2/3 of the way into the race, so we'll have to just wait and see.
Keeping my fingers crossed for a miraculous recovery.Ned - Sorry about your training partner. If it makes you feel any better, there were a whopping FOUR people who finished sub-3 at Veterans last year (and only five who went sub-3:05), so I'll likely be running alone, too. And twice as far.
Ran an awesomely cool, crisp 5-miler this morning under starry skies to follow up on the 8 that I ran yesterday. The race itself is in 11 days, and I have no idea what to expect. I'll shoot for the sub-3, if only because that's the only reason I'm really doing it. Plan is to go through the half a little under 1:30 and just see what happens. Legs have felt noticeably good the last couple of days, so hopefully that's a good sign, but I'm a little scared that they haven't gotten enough recovery time after Chicago. In any case, I probably won't know the answer to that question until I'm 2/3 of the way into the race, so we'll have to just wait and see.
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
Wow! Bourbon Chase is sold out; Boston sold out in 8 hours; Big Sur marathon is sold out (about 50 of the 400 Boston-to-Big Sur slots are still open). I guess running's pretty popular right now, eh?wraith5 said:
Ned
Footballguy
Monthly totals time...
I logged 89.0 on the dot! Easily the most I've ever run in a single month. This was a 23.9 increase over September and I'm feeling better than ever.
Jul - 24.7
Aug - 50.0
Sep - 65.1
Oct - 89.0
T-minus 19 days to the HM. I have roughly 65 training miles left on the schedule before the race.
ETA:
at a certain 1 year old who was 'helping daddy' post.
I logged 89.0 on the dot! Easily the most I've ever run in a single month. This was a 23.9 increase over September and I'm feeling better than ever.
Jul - 24.7
Aug - 50.0
Sep - 65.1
Oct - 89.0
T-minus 19 days to the HM. I have roughly 65 training miles left on the schedule before the race.
ETA:
at a certain 1 year old who was 'helping daddy' post.
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prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Saw the cardiologist today. My heart is good
I again complained that I think I run out of breath faster then others. I also mentioned that I am disappointed that I cant seem to run as fast or as far as others who have been doing it for a similar amount of time. It really bothers me that I have been doing this now for aprox 2 years? and my best times dont seem to be what they should be. I also asked about HR.
He used a lot of big words but what I think I heard is that some people will never be able to train into what they want. Just like I was made short I may not physically be able to reach my goals. He says there is no heart or pulmonary problems to blame my complaints on.
He also seemed to indicate that I may want to run with a reasonable HR goal for longer distance instead of speed goal. I feel if I do this my times will be super slow instead of just slow. I guess the idea is to run at a reasonable HR and eventually I will be able to do more at a lower HR but it seems to me this should have already happened in the last 2 years. Sorry about the whining.
I will keep plugging along, HTFU and see what happens.
* I went and saw Paranormal 2 today and this certainly got my HR up. I was so scared I was worried I may #### myself,start crying or both. It was a really scary movie.
I hate demons.
I again complained that I think I run out of breath faster then others. I also mentioned that I am disappointed that I cant seem to run as fast or as far as others who have been doing it for a similar amount of time. It really bothers me that I have been doing this now for aprox 2 years? and my best times dont seem to be what they should be. I also asked about HR.
He used a lot of big words but what I think I heard is that some people will never be able to train into what they want. Just like I was made short I may not physically be able to reach my goals. He says there is no heart or pulmonary problems to blame my complaints on.
He also seemed to indicate that I may want to run with a reasonable HR goal for longer distance instead of speed goal. I feel if I do this my times will be super slow instead of just slow. I guess the idea is to run at a reasonable HR and eventually I will be able to do more at a lower HR but it seems to me this should have already happened in the last 2 years. Sorry about the whining.
I will keep plugging along, HTFU and see what happens.
* I went and saw Paranormal 2 today and this certainly got my HR up. I was so scared I was worried I may #### myself,start crying or both. It was a really scary movie.
I hate demons.
Darrinll40
Footballguy
Great news. Congratulations to The_Man on his excellent marathon last weekend, and to all the other racers. Two weeks since the surgery and walking a lot is still making me uncomfortable in that area, and just thinking of straddling a bike makes me squeamish.On the good news front, my dieting willpower is back and I am sticking to it fairly well. I need to be able to run.Saw the cardiologist today. My heart is good
pmbrown_22
Footballguy
I have not gotten all the money in. I will have to look at the spreadsheet later tonight to see exactly what is still owed. I will send out a group email with all those totals. I still have to get the 12th guy to buy into it. His step-sister was just found dead after missing for a couple of months. Addict who ran away from treatment facility and hung herself in an abandoned house. Right now is not a great time, but I need to send him an email to see if he still wants to do it. I have a few more options if he does not want to.-------------
As for running, the bed is getting the best of me right now. I have the makings of a head cold and just don't feel like getting out of bed in the mornings to go run. I am going to try and do 5 miles today and then 10 tonight to get me back on track. I will definitely get out there twice, but we will see about the mileage that I cover.
Have a great day all.
pmbrown_22
Footballguy
I have not gotten all the money in. I will have to look at the spreadsheet later tonight to see exactly what is still owed. I will send out a group email with all those totals. I still have to get the 12th guy to buy into it. His step-sister was just found dead after missing for a couple of months. Addict who ran away from treatment facility and hung herself in an abandoned house. Right now is not a great time, but I need to send him an email to see if he still wants to do it. I have a few more options if he does not want to.-------------
As for running, the bed is getting the best of me right now. I have the makings of a head cold and just don't feel like getting out of bed in the mornings to go run. I am going to try and do 5 miles today and then 10 tonight to get me back on track. I will definitely get out there twice, but we will see about the mileage that I cover.
Have a great day all.
One question as the weather starts to turn colder. For those of you that wear tights, do you put on shorts over top of them or is it too much. I have never been a tights kind of guy and think that it is an awful lot of exposure to everyone else around, but saying that, I am thinking of getting a pair and want to make sure that if I put shorts on over top of them, there won't be any problems or uncomfortable areas.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Body Glid is great for my thighs, but my nips get band aids. _____________________________I have a meeting scheduled during my normal running time today, so I won't be able to get out there until much later than normal. I'm actually kind of looking forward to the change-up.I kept forgetting to post this, but thanks to those suggesting Body Glide. That stuff has been a life saver!Anyone try it on their nipples?
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
I think I am accidentally one of the non-payers. I had left a note for my wife to send the check (lame, I know, but I have no idea where the checkbook even is), but I need to check & see if it was sent. I am in Indy on business & will get this done when I get home if it has not been sent. I have 2 guys that would love to be the 12th and could give them a ring to confirm if needed.
pmbrown_22
Footballguy
This in any other thread would be a really strange quote, but in here it is just part of the everyday norm.Body Glid is great for my thighs, but my nips get band aids.I kept forgetting to post this, but thanks to those suggesting Body Glide. That stuff has been a life saver!Anyone try it on their nipples?
Ah, the goons will be sent out to collect payment. I must admit, I must submit paperwork for my financial requests to my CFO. I have no idea where the check book is either.
gruecd
Footballguy
For what it's worth, pmb, I think you need to set a deadline. If anyone doesn't pay by the deadline, we find a replacement. That way you'll know for sure who's serious about participating and who isn't.
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Sand
Footballguy
Don't forget you are one of the folks (along with tri-man) who hasn't filled in his information in the Facebook page so that Pat can get our final payment and information in.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Sorry ...missed that part. I've updated the file with my info. Prosopis - good to hear the heart is OK. Hard to determine what might be holding you back after a couple years of running. I would think that it's tied to the length of your stride. You might try to throw some longer striding into some of your runs (short stretches where you consciously put some lift in the leg and more rotation through the back of the stride). You could even do some skip stepping - some high knee lifts - to get the hips moving more fully.
wraith5
Footballguy
Depending on how cold it is I go: 1) Long underwear under shorts - it's not the sexiest look out there... or is it?!?
2) Nike running pants (not tights)
3) long underwear under the tights if it's really cold
gruecd
Footballguy
I own three (3) pairs of UnderArmour Cold Gear tights. Love 'em. And definitely worth the money.I wear the UnderArmour 9" boxer jock underneath and a pair of regular running shorts over the top. If it gets really cold (like below zero), I'll wear a pair of regular running pants over the top instead of the shorts.
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
Great quote Darrin! My doctor, who is a sports injury specialist, always tells me that it's easier to get drug addicts off of their drug, then it is to get a runner to stop running. Too true! This is from the guy seriously contemplating trying to complete a HIM with a grade 2 strained calf. Doc says the worst that can happen is that it goes to a grade 3 strain, where I'd be looking at 3+ months (instead of weeks) recovery, plus a much higher potential for future re-injury. Prosopsis: Are you doing any speed work (i.e., intervals, fartleks, etc.)? They are typically the easiest way to gain speed. I agree with your doc that training in HR zones for longer runs makes the best sense. Slow and long once a week, and short and fast another day a week is a good recipe for getting faster while gaining endurance.
Grue: Great weather predicted!!!! I also love the forecast for my race this weekend = "Abundant sunshine. Highs in the mid 70s and lows in the lower 50s!!!" [this is cool for here!]
Ned: I love the body glide and it's successfully done it's jobs on my nipples up to marathons. For my ultra last year, it failed in the last five miles
PMBrown: I'm similar to Grue, as I wear boxer briefs, then tights. IF it gets colder (mid 30's or cooler) I'll put on a second outer layer.
______________________________
My update:
I'm walking without a limp today, though I'm also on a heavy dose of Naproxen from my Doc, which might be why. I'm icing both calves twice a day and using a foam roller twice a day as well. I'm hoping to get a final swim in today, though it's raining which might make me postpone until tomorrow. Since I can't do any other type of workout I guess it doesn't matter
Still really depressed, as I thought I had my whole calf problems figured out, and thought OxySox/2XU's were really doing their job. 
pmbrown_22
Footballguy
This is what I was thinking last night when I was looking at the tights. I will have to check out the UnderArmour stuff as I have never really looked into it all that much.As for the deadline, I think that is a great idea. I will try detailing all of it out in the message that I send out tonight or tomorrow night.
The_Man
Footballguy
So, not that I'm committing to running another marathon (especially considering 2 miles tomorrow will be my first post-race run), but I did just receive confirmation that Amazon has shipped my copy of Pfitzinger's "Advanced Marathoning" 
And there is a May 15 marathon about 45 miles from my house featuring a dead flat course on a rail-trail.
Just saying...
And there is a May 15 marathon about 45 miles from my house featuring a dead flat course on a rail-trail.
Just saying...
gruecd
Footballguy
So, not that I'm committing to running another marathon (especially considering 2 miles tomorrow will be my first post-race run), but I did just receive confirmation that Amazon has shipped my copy of Pfitzinger's "Advanced Marathoning"
Rail-trail = less impact, but slower. Not what you want for a potential BQ attempt.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Just keeping a running tally for myself (wisconsinmidwest) :
Run 1 - Sep 30 = 12.5 laps in ~32:00
Run 2 - Oct 1 == 8 laps in 18:45
Run 3 - Oct 3 == 10.5 laps in 25:50
Run 4 - Oct 5 == 9 laps around my block in 34:00 ((3.30 miles))
Run 5 - Oct 7 == 9 laps around the track in 22:30 (bad run)
Run 6 - Oct 12 = 10.5 laps (3/4 additional walk between) in 25:34
Run 7 - Oct 14 = 10.5 laps in 25:46
Run 8 - Oct 16 = 10 laps in 25:10
Run 9 - Oct 23 = 7 laps in 18:00
Run 10 - Oct 29 = 10 laps in 24:07 (5 x 2 laps with 100 meter walk in between each)
Run 11 - Nov 3 = 10.5 laps 30:49 (6 laps then 400 meter walk then 6.5 laps)
71 track laps at 400m (17.75 miles) +3.3 extra miles
Run 1 - Sep 30 = 12.5 laps in ~32:00
Run 2 - Oct 1 == 8 laps in 18:45
Run 3 - Oct 3 == 10.5 laps in 25:50
Run 4 - Oct 5 == 9 laps around my block in 34:00 ((3.30 miles))
Run 5 - Oct 7 == 9 laps around the track in 22:30 (bad run)
Run 6 - Oct 12 = 10.5 laps (3/4 additional walk between) in 25:34
Run 7 - Oct 14 = 10.5 laps in 25:46
Run 8 - Oct 16 = 10 laps in 25:10
Run 9 - Oct 23 = 7 laps in 18:00
Run 10 - Oct 29 = 10 laps in 24:07 (5 x 2 laps with 100 meter walk in between each)
Run 11 - Nov 3 = 10.5 laps 30:49 (6 laps then 400 meter walk then 6.5 laps)
71 track laps at 400m (17.75 miles) +3.3 extra miles
The_Man
Footballguy
It is that crushed gravel surface. Does that really make a significant difference? The course is truly flat - something that's hard to come by in this part of the country.Time for monthly run totals:Jan - 46Feb – 58March – 73 (1:44:26 HM)April - 85May – 137June - 64 (hurt for 2 weeks)July – 104Aug – 147Sept – 153 (1:36:41 HM)Oct. – 159 (3:25:25 marathon)1026 for the year.One other cool thing is that I've inadvertently created a consistent training ladder. With each new cycle, I've taken the highest weekly mileage of my previous cycle and made that the average weekly mileage for the next cycle.March HM: average 16 mpw, weekly high of 25 (10 weeks)June 10M: average 25, weekly high of 34 (10 weeks not counting taper)Oct. M: average 32.3, weekly high of 44 (15 weeks not counting taper)For the next race, I'm looking at doing a weekly average of 43 with a high of 55.Looking forward to getting back out there tomorrow. I've literally gained 5 lbs. in the last week - carbo-loading and low pre-race mileage combined with post-race pigging out and stealing candy from my kids' Halloween loot.Rail-trail = less impact, but slower. Not what you want for a potential BQ attempt.
This running stuff is getting fun...
7 miles @ 8'16" average, 57'53", 144 hr
mi 1 - 8'30, 116 hr downhill
mi 2 - 8'37, 143 hr uphill
mi 3 - 8'24, 144 hr flatish
mi 4 - 8'17, 145 hr slight downhill
mi 5 - 8'25, 153 hr slight uphill
mi 6 - 8'07, 155 hr flatish
mi 7 - 7'34, 158 hr downhill
My previous best 6 mile plus run was at an 8'40" pace as I recall. :flex: I wasn't pushing it until the last half mile. Just crusing along in the dark and not really looking at the hr data. Was kind of shocked to see the paces drop during the run. It was planned as a 5k run but it was a pretty night so I just kept running. If my gf wasn't waiting with a good dinner I likely would have gone into the double digit territory. It's a great feeling to be running faster while still feeling comfortable.
7 miles @ 8'16" average, 57'53", 144 hr
mi 1 - 8'30, 116 hr downhill
mi 2 - 8'37, 143 hr uphill
mi 3 - 8'24, 144 hr flatish
mi 4 - 8'17, 145 hr slight downhill
mi 5 - 8'25, 153 hr slight uphill
mi 6 - 8'07, 155 hr flatish
mi 7 - 7'34, 158 hr downhill
My previous best 6 mile plus run was at an 8'40" pace as I recall. :flex: I wasn't pushing it until the last half mile. Just crusing along in the dark and not really looking at the hr data. Was kind of shocked to see the paces drop during the run. It was planned as a 5k run but it was a pretty night so I just kept running. If my gf wasn't waiting with a good dinner I likely would have gone into the double digit territory. It's a great feeling to be running faster while still feeling comfortable.
Every stride you can add on the fractional amount of time it will take to compress the gravel enough to support your weight. Multiple that fraction by 50,000+ strides. Given that it's gravel, you won't be getting any springback effect after compressing it.It is that crushed gravel surface. Does that really make a significant difference? The course is truly flat - something that's hard to come by in this part of the country.Time for monthly run totals:Rail-trail = less impact, but slower. Not what you want for a potential BQ attempt.
Jan - 46
Feb – 58
March – 73 (1:44:26 HM)
April - 85
May – 137
June - 64 (hurt for 2 weeks)
July – 104
Aug – 147
Sept – 153 (1:36:41 HM)
Oct. – 159 (3:25:25 marathon)
1026 for the year.
One other cool thing is that I've inadvertently created a consistent training ladder. With each new cycle, I've taken the highest weekly mileage of my previous cycle and made that the average weekly mileage for the next cycle.
March HM: average 16 mpw, weekly high of 25 (10 weeks)
June 10M: average 25, weekly high of 34 (10 weeks not counting taper)
Oct. M: average 32.3, weekly high of 44 (15 weeks not counting taper)
For the next race, I'm looking at doing a weekly average of 43 with a high of 55.
Looking forward to getting back out there tomorrow. I've literally gained 5 lbs. in the last week - carbo-loading and low pre-race mileage combined with post-race pigging out and stealing candy from my kids' Halloween loot.
The_Man
Footballguy
Nice run! I had a similar breakthrough - one day I was doing my normal run and suddenly found I could go significantly faster than ever before while still running comfortably. That's why I've fallen in love with the longer distances - the idea isn't so much to run at a punishing pace for as long as you can stand it (which is what a 5k is to me), it's to run as long as you can at a pace that allows you to stay comfortable the whole time. Keep it going!
Glad to hear about the good report.Regarding getting faster...don't take this the wrong way, but from reading your posts, you don't seem to have a solid consistant training plan. A lot of that seems to be weather related but you'll have to deal with that. I would suggest putting a solid plan in place and sticking to it before giving up on yourself becoming faster.I'm a big believer in hr training over pace training. The reason the guys around here can pace train is that they have enough miles that pace and hr are basically one in the same.Putting these two together, you should pick out a distance to train for and stick with it. Gru could run much faster 5ks, but he's training for faster long distance times. His speed work is done roughly at his 5k pace. If he wanted to crush a 5k, his speed work would be much faster than that...but that isn't optimal for recovery when distance running.Saw the cardiologist today. My heart is good* I went and saw Paranormal 2 today and this certainly got my HR up. I was so scared I was worried I may #### myself,start crying or both. It was a really scary movie.I hate demons.
Ned
Footballguy
OK there's enough of a trend that its gotta be something I'm doing. So I'll throw myself at the mercy of the experts...
Every single run after a day off feels like crap. The following day I feel 100% better and usually have a good run. What's up with that? This may not be enough info to give an opinion, but it's starting to bug me. It's obviously not affecting overall performance (or maybe it is?), but it's making my Tuesday's crummy enough to where I am starting to dread the runs.
Yesterday's 5mi run wasn't horrible, but it wasn't fun either. I plodded along and just felt MEH the entire time. Today's 45min tempo started out pretty MEH, but towards the 2nd 'tempo' my legs just suddenly woke up and I was flying. I had to do everything I could to keep the Garmin from yelling at me to slow down. It's almost like my body goes into a different mode on my non-running days and it takes a run or 2 before it goes 'oh yeah, lets rock'.
Every single run after a day off feels like crap. The following day I feel 100% better and usually have a good run. What's up with that? This may not be enough info to give an opinion, but it's starting to bug me. It's obviously not affecting overall performance (or maybe it is?), but it's making my Tuesday's crummy enough to where I am starting to dread the runs.
Yesterday's 5mi run wasn't horrible, but it wasn't fun either. I plodded along and just felt MEH the entire time. Today's 45min tempo started out pretty MEH, but towards the 2nd 'tempo' my legs just suddenly woke up and I was flying. I had to do everything I could to keep the Garmin from yelling at me to slow down. It's almost like my body goes into a different mode on my non-running days and it takes a run or 2 before it goes 'oh yeah, lets rock'.
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