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Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Almost everybody struggles with their first marathon. Like you found out, doing a 26.2 mile pace run is in no way analogous to doing a half-marathon or any other shorter distance. I don't see any reason why you couldn't crack 4:00 the second time out. Just maintain a good base until you start training again, and you'll probably find that your next training cycle is a lot easier than your first was. That should be a good sign that gives you the confidence to shoot for 4 hours again.
If you start your next round of training and find that it's not much easier than it was before, THEN maybe it's time to reevaluate your time goal. Not now, though. That said, there's no shame in picking a conservative time goal (4:15) and going for that, knowing that you're very likely to get the satisfaction of a "successful" marathon under your belt. For me, at least, that was a big mental thing when I ran my second. Really, though, you're faster than I am and I managed to crack 4:00 the second time out, so I wouldn't preemptively abandon that goal unless your training experience tells you to.
sho nuff -- Been nice knowing you, guy. Say hi to PatsWillWin.
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Sand
Footballguy
I did 5 miles in exactly those conditions at lunch. I think I left liquified parts of me out there. 'Tis done, though.Ned - I thought 4:00 was a very achievable goal for you. The weather got you. Your achievable goal is again going to be weather dependent. If it is 40F for your second one you'll crush 4:00. 40C, not so much.
Did three miles over lunch is something similar. Think it was about 85 with a heat index of 90ish. Hasn't been this warm in Minneapolis in a long while and I was not ready for it. I was still sweating after taking a long frigid shower.
Darrinll40
Footballguy
Dexter
Footballguy
Hey guys I was hoping to get some input on a problem I had yesterday.
About 2 miles into my run I felt dizzy and had a tingly feeling in my fingers and arms. I ended up stopping and walking back home. Does this ever happen to you? I wore my heart rate monitor and it never got above 165.
About 2 miles into my run I felt dizzy and had a tingly feeling in my fingers and arms. I ended up stopping and walking back home. Does this ever happen to you? I wore my heart rate monitor and it never got above 165.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Dexter - sorry, don't know what that would be.Ned - I wouldn't use the first race as much of a base line, as IK notes. Just train for it, and use that to gauge where you're at. For me, I raced 45-60 seconds/mile faster than the pacing for very comfortable slow long runs, and 15-30 seconds/mile slower than sustainable pacing for 10-14 mile long tempo runs. Hope that makes sense.
Ned
Footballguy
Appreciate the quick feedback, guys. This is pretty much what I was going to target for this training cycle. I think higdons plans were a little too far towards the slow side. I'm probably going to build my own plan based on lessons learned instead of following a stock plan. I'm learning a ton from the Pfitz book.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
I have a 5k race tomorrow. Lots of people. I am hearing that 1500 have signed up. It is the first race in the Gabe Zimmerman triple crown so I expect it will get lots of press. Just hoping to have fun and not have a heat stroke. It is supposed to be over 100 tomorrow but the race is at 7:00pm.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
You are going to hate them at first, but they will grow on you. I wear them for the first run after a hard event when my feet are all chewed up. I also like wearing them post race when my feet are trashed.
Thread Killer
Footballguy
Do you guys wear those moisture wicking socks to prevent blisters or is that just an up-sale tactic?
Darrinll40
Footballguy
Sonnuva....
This is now the second post on 500. The_Man's :confetti: post must now be on 499.Went out for 8 this morning and failed at 6.5. Walked/ran the last 1.5. I failed because I was going way to fast at the start. I wanted to average 11 min mile and except for miles 1,7,and 8, I went too fast. Miles 5 and 6 were in the 10:30's range. I still finished the run around my goal pace, 11:07, so I guess it is still a win. :woohoo:I wore the new toe socks and never felt any pain my feet, so they worked great. I bought some chocolate Ovaltine to add to my Vanilla Almond Milk and had it immediately after I got home. I weighed in this morning before my run and I was finally down under 220, 219.6. After the run I was at 216.6, if I just go out and run 8 miles every day I can be back in the 180's in just 10 days. Now I have to get up and go to the store, I hope everyone has a great day and a fantastic weekend.
gruecd
Footballguy
Abso-fluckin-lutely.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
How'd that happen?Sonnuva....
Socks - I just like comfortable socks without too much thought to moisture wicking. If it wicks the moisture ...where's it supposed to go, given that the feet are surrounded by shoe?Prosopis - run a good race tonight!!!
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Hot/humid day today in Chicago. Was going to do a hard 6 mile pace run, but went out too fast for the conditions, so ended up breaking it down: 3 miles at 7:12/mile, 1 mile at 7:08, two 1/2 miles at 7:04 and 7:00. 8 miles total with warm-up/cool down.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Before going out, thought I would do 3, and if I felt ok, 4.1 mile in I knew 4 was not going to happen.My shirt could not have been wetter if I had jumped in the pool with it on.I lost almost 3 lbs during a 3 mile run (weighed before and after the run just to see).Today was beautiful at 5am at 65*...but instead of a run, I walked the river fishing for trout for a few hours.Now its 97, heat index of 103. No run for now.Hoping it cools down later for a run or a ride.
Darrinll40
Footballguy
I use this.I was out all day with a friend and walked a lot. Right now I am exhausted and my legs feel like rubber. This mornings run must have taken more out of me than I realized. So I think I am going to skip tomorrow's 3 miler. I have to clean the gutters and get the generator for hurricane season anyway, so that will be a good workout.
JFT Ben
Footballguy
Race Report: Ice Age Trail Run/Race 10k
Today is national trails day, and to honor that, our local Ice Age Trail chapter puts on a small 5k/10k race to raise funds for trail maintenance and building activities. For those that don't know, the Ice Age Trail is one of the major trails in the US, though much less well known than (for example) the Pacific Crest Trail or the Appalachian Trail. It is 1,200 miles long (or will be when fully connected), contained entirely in Wisconsin, and follows the terminal moraine of the last ice age.
The race itself runs about 2.5 miles on v. gently rolling hills to the trail head where the final 3.7 +/- is up/down on the ice age trail. This is the second time I've done it and is a really nice run. This year, as in the past, the number of competitors was small, maybe 40 in the 5k and maybe 30 in the 10k. My wife won the women's 10k last year (I didn't run) so the gauntlet was thrown down.
First, it was hot, probably about 80 degrees at the start, very humid, with little breeze to cool you down. At the start I took the point and didn't look back. At about 1.5 miles a guy who looked like a real runner passed me and was probably putting 15 seconds a mile into me. I wasn't wearing a watch but probably hit the 2.5 in about 17 minutes or so. Not screeching fast by any means, but I hadn't done a race or speed work in forever so all that was merely a guess (both distance and time). When we hit the trail head, there still wasn't a water break (usually one at the trail head) and while I was hot, sweaty and could have used a drink, the rabbit who passed me had started walking saying he needed water as the trail moved to a long up-hill right out of the gate. I chugged along, pushing red-line up the hills, dive bombing the downhill sections and started to pass the 5k walkers and slower runners who were bussed to the start. At about 4 miles or so finally water, took a quick drink and kept on, feeling brief coolness running through the woods before entering prairie areas. In the open areas, I saw there was no one near me but kept pushing through the tired legs, heat and humidity to wrap up my second first place overall ever in a time of 44:45 +/-. This wasn't a day or the course to have a fast time, but considering everything, I was satisfied. The high intensity workouts of Insanity helped I'm sure as my standard LSD doesn't really suit itself for this type of environment, though my aerobic engine is ok.
My wife ended up second in the women, so wasn't a family sweep. Sitting here now at the end of the day, still feeling tired, thirsty and calf sore. With the exception of lack of water (some people were really struggling) this was a fun race that raises money for a great cause. While not a big deal due to the local nature and size of the race, still pretty cool to win one. [as an aside, my other win was last year in a 5k fun run/fundraiser for the local non-profit rec. center under similar circumstances, but I pushed our double stroller with my kids in that one!]
Should be ready to rock the Beer Century ride report next week!
Today is national trails day, and to honor that, our local Ice Age Trail chapter puts on a small 5k/10k race to raise funds for trail maintenance and building activities. For those that don't know, the Ice Age Trail is one of the major trails in the US, though much less well known than (for example) the Pacific Crest Trail or the Appalachian Trail. It is 1,200 miles long (or will be when fully connected), contained entirely in Wisconsin, and follows the terminal moraine of the last ice age.
The race itself runs about 2.5 miles on v. gently rolling hills to the trail head where the final 3.7 +/- is up/down on the ice age trail. This is the second time I've done it and is a really nice run. This year, as in the past, the number of competitors was small, maybe 40 in the 5k and maybe 30 in the 10k. My wife won the women's 10k last year (I didn't run) so the gauntlet was thrown down.
First, it was hot, probably about 80 degrees at the start, very humid, with little breeze to cool you down. At the start I took the point and didn't look back. At about 1.5 miles a guy who looked like a real runner passed me and was probably putting 15 seconds a mile into me. I wasn't wearing a watch but probably hit the 2.5 in about 17 minutes or so. Not screeching fast by any means, but I hadn't done a race or speed work in forever so all that was merely a guess (both distance and time). When we hit the trail head, there still wasn't a water break (usually one at the trail head) and while I was hot, sweaty and could have used a drink, the rabbit who passed me had started walking saying he needed water as the trail moved to a long up-hill right out of the gate. I chugged along, pushing red-line up the hills, dive bombing the downhill sections and started to pass the 5k walkers and slower runners who were bussed to the start. At about 4 miles or so finally water, took a quick drink and kept on, feeling brief coolness running through the woods before entering prairie areas. In the open areas, I saw there was no one near me but kept pushing through the tired legs, heat and humidity to wrap up my second first place overall ever in a time of 44:45 +/-. This wasn't a day or the course to have a fast time, but considering everything, I was satisfied. The high intensity workouts of Insanity helped I'm sure as my standard LSD doesn't really suit itself for this type of environment, though my aerobic engine is ok.
My wife ended up second in the women, so wasn't a family sweep. Sitting here now at the end of the day, still feeling tired, thirsty and calf sore. With the exception of lack of water (some people were really struggling) this was a fun race that raises money for a great cause. While not a big deal due to the local nature and size of the race, still pretty cool to win one. [as an aside, my other win was last year in a 5k fun run/fundraiser for the local non-profit rec. center under similar circumstances, but I pushed our double stroller with my kids in that one!]
Should be ready to rock the Beer Century ride report next week!
Dexter
Footballguy
I have a 4GB Sansa I got for under $10 on one of those deal of the day sites... My ear buds are $100 Bose I got free from my last job.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I use a Sansa Sandisk. Most mp3 players are sufficiently compact these days that bulk shouldn't be an issue. My main problem was finding a non-Apple product with 20+ GB of storage. (I subscribe to Rhapsody, so iPods don't work for me).
I've got a Sansa Clip. I'm not an Apple/Itunes guy but Shuffle is a great option if you are. Otherwise the Sansa gives you little better bang for your buck.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Can you program those to play what you want? Can I make play lists or just play certain artist? I think the shuffle does not allow that. You put your music in and it plays what it feels like, correct?
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Nice job
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Sweet, JFT!!! Very cool (er, hot). Add it to the link in Sand's sig.Too late to remind prosopis that 100 degree temps for his 5K tonight present ideal conditions for some race stalking.Great job JFT! There's a podium spreadsheet where tri Sand is tracking all of the 2011 hardware that the FFA is racking up. You should get your info in.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
If you so happen to be over 40, there is an over the hill dirt team I know of that could use an alternate. Awesome race. I LOVE dirt racing and the sounded like a blast!! Congrats.
Sundays Rule
Footballguy
Did the Spartan Sprint today. It turned into a Spartan Crawl at the end there, it was a basically a 3 mile obstacle course. Except they held it at a Ski Resort so there was no level gradients the entire time, basically just going up tremendously steep slopes and then hiking through hilly wooded trails. The obstacles were varied, cargo net climb, different sized walls to go over, carrying a bucket filled with rocks up and down a hill, and a 40 yard uphill mud crawl underneath barbed wire ( this was the worst of them all, absolutely miserable.) I had to hoped to do it in an hour, but I wasn't prepared for the sheer amount of hills going on, my legs are bruised and achy. I finished in a little under two hours.
If I were to do another one I would know how to better prepare myself, running on just roads is not enough for that kind of terrain. All in all it was a great experience and i'm just happy to have finished.
If I were to do another one I would know how to better prepare myself, running on just roads is not enough for that kind of terrain. All in all it was a great experience and i'm just happy to have finished.
Darrinll40
Footballguy
My legs are still hurting a bit. I wonder if I wasn't feeling well enough this morning to do what I did. I never felt like this after a run.
Not only do the legs bother me, but I fell a bit nauseous also.
Not only do the legs bother me, but I fell a bit nauseous also.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Wife got me an ipod nano...I love it...however, I don't recommend it necessarily for running.Touch screen and sweaty fingers don't work well on it. And I already had to take it in and they replaced it free after it got wet with sweat (note, don't clip it to the back of your shorts if you sweat a lot down your spine.Ive now been wearing my fuel belt without the water in it most times with the ipod in the pocket of it. Works well.I keep watching the deals on the sansa clip. Or waiting to read more on these Sony headphones that have an MP3 built into them. Supposed to be made to sweat in.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
You pushed it a bit too far. If you drink, grab a couple of beers and sit back and relax. Go to bed early and sleep in and take tomorrow off (or, even better, go for a walk with your wife - maybe head to the beach to do it). Time for a reset, you've been working very hard and are due.
Sand
Footballguy
I have a Clip. Last year I went through 6 of them, I think (I did get them cheap and some were returned under warranty). Anyway, you can easily sweat those out. And I do sweat. I have my latest one taped into a small specimen ziplock. Now it is going strong and has for a while.JFT, make sure you get your stuff into the spreadsheet in my sig. Awesome race!
ShoNuff - you are insane. Five was about enough to bury me on Friday.
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On my end. 45 mile ride today - 221w normalized. Lots of stops to wait on stragglers. I went through six bottles worth of fluids, I think. Super humid today and getting hot at the end. Capped off the workout with 1500yds in the pool.
I'm getting lots stronger on the bike. I can see the improvement almost ride to ride. We'll see how that ends up next weekend.
Sand
Footballguy
You can make playlists in WinAmp or Media Player, no problem. There is also a "golist" which is a make on the fly playlist. Yes, you can play by album or by artist. For such a small thing it has a great feature set. With the exception of not being very water resistant it is a great player.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Wow. 2 hours? That's one nasty event. Major props to you for surviving that beast!As Sand said, the clip has a lo of features. Great a playlist, play on random, listen to the radio - it's all super easy. I've also heard a lot of people say they have issues when they get wet but mine has been going strong for a couple of years. I clip it on the hip of my shorts; it stays dry and (knock on wood) I haven't had any issues.
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
I ran the first race in the Gabe Zimmerman Triple Crown last night. It was a 5k through downtown Tucson. Gabe's father and then Randy Acetta of SARR spoke pre race. I gotta say I cried a little. We heard about how much Gabe loved to run and walk the streets of Tucson and how much he is missed. Gabe's father asked that these races be a celebration of life and not sadness. Once the race started we had a blast. I believe there was over 1500 entrants. We had one of the fastest guys in the country and olympic qualifier Ian Burrell win the race doiing it with a 4:42.6 pace 
Most of us were in it for fun. El Charro's had Mariachi's in the street for us. There were quite a few spectators along the route. Some spectators had water hoses going to spray us down if we wanted. I passed a guy running bare foot. I cant imagine how tough his feet had to be. Pavement had to be real hot.It was an overall great experience. I finished with a 9:44:00 pace. My avg HR was 172 and I had a max of 182. I gotta believe that was due to the heat. I was hoping for a better avg pace but I had fun and it was HOT. LOTS of good looking girls with fantastic abs out there. I saw a digital readout 0f 96 post race. This was after the sun went down so I am assuming it was 100+ at race time. Today is my birthday and I thank God for another birthday.
Most of us were in it for fun. El Charro's had Mariachi's in the street for us. There were quite a few spectators along the route. Some spectators had water hoses going to spray us down if we wanted. I passed a guy running bare foot. I cant imagine how tough his feet had to be. Pavement had to be real hot.It was an overall great experience. I finished with a 9:44:00 pace. My avg HR was 172 and I had a max of 182. I gotta believe that was due to the heat. I was hoping for a better avg pace but I had fun and it was HOT. LOTS of good looking girls with fantastic abs out there. I saw a digital readout 0f 96 post race. This was after the sun went down so I am assuming it was 100+ at race time. Today is my birthday and I thank God for another birthday.Darrinll40
Footballguy
Happy Birthday, glad you survived.I ran the first race in the Gabe Zimmerman Triple Crown last night. It was a 5k through downtown Tucson. Gabe's father and then Randy Acetta of SARR spoke pre race. I gotta say I cried a little. We heard about how much Gabe loved to run and walk the streets of Tucson and how much he is missed. Gabe's father asked that these races be a celebration of life and not sadness. Once the race started we had a blast. I believe there was over 1500 entrants. We had one of the fastest guys in the country and olympic qualifier Ian Burrell win the race doiing it with a 4:42.6 pace
Dexter
Footballguy
I ran the first race in the Gabe Zimmerman Triple Crown last night. It was a 5k through downtown Tucson. Gabe's father and then Randy Acetta of SARR spoke pre race. I gotta say I cried a little. We heard about how much Gabe loved to run and walk the streets of Tucson and how much he is missed. Gabe's father asked that these races be a celebration of life and not sadness. Once the race started we had a blast. I believe there was over 1500 entrants. We had one of the fastest guys in the country and olympic qualifier Ian Burrell win the race doiing it with a 4:42.6 pace
Darrinll40
Footballguy
I took the day off of running. That makes 4 scheduled runs I have missed since December :( .
As I lay in bed last night with calves hurting and feeling ill I realized that I had felt the same way before a couple of months ago. Friday after work at about 3:30, the hottest part of the day and with the sun high, I spent 90 minutes cutting the grass. While I didn't feel it then, I paid for that Saturday at about mile 6.5. Lesson learned, no more outside work Friday after work.
This morning I felt much better, though I did sleep about 9 hours. Once I got up I went out and cleaned my house gutters, rainy season is right around the corner.
As I lay in bed last night with calves hurting and feeling ill I realized that I had felt the same way before a couple of months ago. Friday after work at about 3:30, the hottest part of the day and with the sun high, I spent 90 minutes cutting the grass. While I didn't feel it then, I paid for that Saturday at about mile 6.5. Lesson learned, no more outside work Friday after work.
This morning I felt much better, though I did sleep about 9 hours. Once I got up I went out and cleaned my house gutters, rainy season is right around the corner.
Sand
Footballguy
Eh - you just overcooked yourself a bit. Gotta really be careful in weather like this. Take the day off and come back stronger. Sounds like you needed the day. An isolated skip isn't going to do anything at all to your training.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Not too insane...not sure if you read ride or run there. That was a 10 mile ride...not run.No way I would try 10 miles running in that last night after a morning on the river.Not sure what I will do today...started it with mowing the grass...it was only 80 when I started...88 now. Felt pretty humid. My shirt was definitely humid when I finished.
Ned
Footballguy
Finished up a great weekend of running with an easy 8 this morning. It was relatively cool and felt great to not be sloshin' in my shoes afterward. I'm definitely felling recovered - I had to throttle it back the entire time. I'm feeling fresh just in time for a 5K this Wednesday night with some coworkers and my brother. Can't wait to let loose.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Prosopis - congrats on the 5K in hot conditions!! I saw the pic on FB, and your kids look mighty proud. Happy Birthday!!!!! 
gruecd
Footballguy
Week in review:
M - 12 miles @ 7:55/mile
T - 8 @ 8:13
W - 8 @ 7:57
T - 8.42 @ 7:34 including 5 x hill
F - 5 @ 8:06
S - 19 @ 8:10
S - 8 @ 8:10
Total - 68.42 miles
I've got a 10K coming up next Saturday. Best case would be sub-39, but my PR is super soft right now (40:43), so that should be a given.
prosopis - Nice job on the 5K. Happy birthday, dude!
M - 12 miles @ 7:55/mile
T - 8 @ 8:13
W - 8 @ 7:57
T - 8.42 @ 7:34 including 5 x hill
F - 5 @ 8:06
S - 19 @ 8:10
S - 8 @ 8:10
Total - 68.42 miles
I've got a 10K coming up next Saturday. Best case would be sub-39, but my PR is super soft right now (40:43), so that should be a given.
prosopis - Nice job on the 5K. Happy birthday, dude!
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Thanks for all the well wishes!!!
I was looking at my past numbers and I am now thinking I should have done a lot better last night. I guess it was the heat? I dont know. I guess the heart hitting 182 was not a good sign for success either. I will be starting my marathon training soon and I am looking forward to having a structured plan again. I am not good left on my own.
I was looking at my past numbers and I am now thinking I should have done a lot better last night. I guess it was the heat? I dont know. I guess the heart hitting 182 was not a good sign for success either. I will be starting my marathon training soon and I am looking forward to having a structured plan again. I am not good left on my own.
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