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The upgraded HR strap is certainly worth it. Much more comfortable, easier to use, AND waterproof.
So that means the sex thing is not in the picture. :('Ned said:LMFAO guys. Awesome.
I have worn it during hunting. I wanted to see if I could capture my HR when a shot opportunity came, but the damn thing times out too quickly when it's sitting idle.
Sorry to hear jb, and Mrs. jb.
Too much Body Glide?And thats not even my PR.
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Wraith had some races (Soldier Field 10 miler; the BC) ...Darrin too. Very cool that we're around 1000 miles of racing!With Steel's mileage, we are up to 920.75 miles.Surely we have a few more still to report that will take us over 1000 miles of race running this year.Otherwise, we all need to pitch in and run some 10ks before the end of the year.
Yeah...those two should get us up in there.Hell, if we just add the whole FBGs on the Bourbon team we would get up there close.Wraith had some races (Soldier Field 10 miler; the BC) ...Darrin too. Very cool that we're around 1000 miles of racing!With Steel's mileage, we are up to 920.75 miles.Surely we have a few more still to report that will take us over 1000 miles of race running this year.Otherwise, we all need to pitch in and run some 10ks before the end of the year.
So that means the sex thing is not in the picture. :('Ned said:LMFAO guys. Awesome.
I have worn it during hunting. I wanted to see if I could capture my HR when a shot opportunity came, but the damn thing times out too quickly when it's sitting idle.Sorry to hear jb, and Mrs. jb.
I'm not really an expert on this kind of stuff. But the McMillan calculator is a pretty good place to start. For starters, I would count your HM time as 2:00:00. That's what you would have had without crowds and whatever. Based on that, the calculator gives you a Marathon time of 4:13. I think that's pretty fair - another rule of thumb is to take your HM time, double it, and add 10 minutes, so the two projected numbers are in the same ballpark.That would give you a Marathon Goal Pace of 9:40. I think that sounds good. And definitely run your Long Runs 45-90 seconds slower than that.Also, on Wed. and Thursday, you did your runs at almost HM pace - that is probably way too fast for regular runs. Just some thoughts -- others might know better than me.
I have a friend who was made department chair the minute he got tenured. His three-year term is almost over and he can't wait.
Slowing down -- especially on your long runs -- is crucial for everybody, not just those who are hoping only to finish. If you do your long runs too fast, several things will happen:1) You won't get as much benefit from your long run. The point of these runs is to develop endurance, and the best way to do that is to log time on your feet. Running too fast is sort of counter-productive to this. 2) You won't be able to nail your other workouts. Running long distances at race pace takes a big toll on your body. If I was to go out and run, say, 18 miles at marathon pace, I would need at least a week or two to recover. And you don't have a week or two to take off during marathon training. You need to be able to bounce back fairly quickly so that you can do your other workouts properly. That means you absolutely have to take it easy on your long runs.3) You'll get injured. Running fast all the time, especially on long runs, is a great way to develop tendonitis, plantar faciitus, pulled muscles, and all the other sorts of things that derail marathons. I'll use Mrs. Karamazov as a cautionary tale here. She absolutely refuses to run slow. Ever. Her "easy" runs are done at about her HM pace, and she does her long runs at or even sometimes a little faster than her goal MP. I've tried to explain to her that this is insane and that everybody from Higdon to Pfitz to Galloway to whoever would identify this as a gigantic training error, but she's female so she won't listen to reason. She can build up mileage okay and usually turns in really impressive 20 training run when she gets to that point in her training plan, but later on she ends up having to cut her long runs short because she's never had a chance to recover from the thrashing she put herself through earlier. And she can't figure out why she's injured all the time. And she ends up missing goal times that are well within her grasp because she lines up at the start under-trained and exhausted. Don't do that. As far as pacing goes, be conservative and keep your expectations modest. It sounds like 10:00/mi is a reasonable goal pace based on your half time, but going from the half to a full is a big step up, and you'll probably notice it when your runs get into the 16+ mile territory. Just think of finishing as your main goal, with any sort of time goal being very secondary, and you're more likely to have your first marathon be a positive experience than if you focus on a particular finishing time.
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Fantastic advice. Please don't fall victim to setting a hard time goal for your first. It is hard to grasp, at least it was for me, the concept of just finishing as your 'A' goal, but that's really all you should be focusing on. I 150% agree on being ultra conservative with your training paces. Using these calculators and formulas can be dangerous because its a one size fits all deal. The jump from 13.1 to 26.2 is a hard thing to grasp until you're at the race and you're at mile 22. The light switch will finally go on at that point.My gripe with the higdon plans is he doesn't explain each run well enough. Especially when beginners are following the plan. Even if you're not following the Pfitz book, I'd reccomend picking it up and reading it until you hit chapter 7 (actual plans). I've read it front to back 3x and referenced it god knows how many times on top of that. It's a fantastic insight into marathon training.
'IvanKaramazov said:
@ both comments! My doctoral advisor told me that if I wanted to have a long successful career as an academic, I needed to NOT do two things...1) Sleep with my students, and 2) Become a Department HeadMy advice to you is that #1 certainly has to beat #2 The-Man: Congratulations on your rabbit status 
jb: slowing down is important. Every run should have a specific goal, whether it be to: a) add speed, b) work on race pace, c) add mileage or d) to increase your base. For a = you need to go faster than race paceb = do extended miles within a run at race pacec = run almost all miles much slower than race pace (I liked to have a couple miles each long run at race pace)d = all miles much slower than race paceJust determine your goal, prior to each run, and include all 4 types of runs in your training (one a, and one c run per week), and you'll be gold!_____________________________My update:I went out in some pretty fierce winds yesterday, as it was a constant 20+ and gusts were brutal. I planned on doing 20 at a moderate speed, but at mile 3 on some hellish chip seal my head light broke. With the sun very low on the horizon, I decided to cut it short and make it a hard effort. With my first 5 miles right into the wind, I was more than 3:00 behind 20 MPH pace, and was determined to get all that time back. the next 5 had mostly side winds with no downwind, and I worked my ### off to only lose another 18 seconds. .2 miles into mile 11 I started heading down wind, which lasted the rest of the way home. I rolled off a 2:10, 2:03, 2:07, 2:12 (#######' 4 way stop), 2:04, 2:11 to end up over 1:00 ahead of 20 MPH pace. My AVE HR was 168 (pretty high for a short ride), though I was maintaining a very consistent and good 171 all the way in (during mile 5 I hit 182 bpm). I'd have loved to have ridden another 25 miles downwind, as the adrenaline was fantastic.
It's hard to convince people that a lot of things are happening internally during those long, slow runs that provide tremendous benefit. I always emphasize that the key muscle being trained for distance running is the heart. The long, slow runs allow the system to develop and expand its capacity ...the only way we 'see' that is by watching our HR drop over time as our aerobic capacity improves. But, yeah ...women.'IvanKaramazov said:
Anyone else run with a dog?
I used to run with my two dogs, but I didn't start until they were full grown. I doubt it would be much of a problem to start young but don't expect him to do well until he's trained. I used to jog with them a mile to a dirt road that wasn't traveled much so I took them off their leashes and they'd stay within 10-20 feet of me for the next 10 miles. They were both hunting dogs (one was part Basenji, the other a Labrador retriever) so they were more naturally able to go distances.Did my first post marathon run today. I really felt the muscle soreness was about gone yesterday. I did a slow 4 mile recovery run. I have a 5 mos old puppy and I started training him to run with me on a leash today. I dropped him off at the house at 1.5 miles. He was starting to slow down,get distracted, and the tongue was hanging out. I hope to slowly build his mileage up. I dont know
As the marathon glow starts to settle down, it'll be time to work on the next iteration of your trainging and racing!
What does this mean?I am open to any suggestions to improve my pace. I love to run but I do feel discouraged that I cant seem to improve my pace. I am obviously doing something wrong.The joy of running: We had a 1/2-inch of light snow through the morning before I drove to a nearby forest preserve with a paved trail ...comfortable 10 mile run (8:12/mi) while passing groups of deer and ducks against the backdrop of the light snow in the woods.
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Prosopis - nice to hear you have a running buddy! If we're going to get your pace down in the year ahead, we need to get you to extend the reach and cadence of your stride. Repeats up an incline (forcing you onto the balls of your feet and lifting the upper leg) and/or some faster-paced intervals would help. I think some focused training along those lines, even once a week, would yield nice dividends.
I used to take both of our labs running with me. Make sure you limit their exposure to pavement. Trails are much better for their pads. Invest in some udder butter.I used to run with my two dogs, but I didn't start until they were full grown. I doubt it would be much of a problem to start young but don't expect him to do well until he's trained. I used to jog with them a mile to a dirt road that wasn't traveled much so I took them off their leashes and they'd stay within 10-20 feet of me for the next 10 miles. They were both hunting dogs (one was part Basenji, the other a Labrador retriever) so they were more naturally able to go distances.Did my first post marathon run today. I really felt the muscle soreness was about gone yesterday. I did a slow 4 mile recovery run. I have a 5 mos old puppy and I started training him to run with me on a leash today. I dropped him off at the house at 1.5 miles. He was starting to slow down,get distracted, and the tongue was hanging out. I hope to slowly build his mileage up. I dont know
Our chocolate lab is a beast of a runner and would try to lead me the whole way. Our yellow was more interested in smelling flowers than running. Quite the experience trying to get both of them going.
If you can't get your pace below that 10 min/mile, I have to presume it's either the fact that you aren't getting much rotation in the hips/upper legs - and therefore not getting much reach (so a short stride) - or you're cadence/pace is slow. One way to improve the stride and engage the hips more actively would be to do some hill repeats. They don't have to be steep or long, but after a warm-up, just work the hill - 'bounce' up on the balls of your feet. Stop, jog down slowly, repeat a number of times. It is good to run down hard a few times as well. To speed up the cadence/pace, target some workouts where you just run faster with intervals. You don't even need to worry about timing them. Just run a short stretch and concentrate on a quick, light step. Rest a minute, and repeat, etc. You've come very far these past two years! And you know, now, that you can run some solid distances. As you get beyond the marathon and the pressure to rack up miles, this would be a good time to add some of this variety to the training and see if your times start to come down.
That's so friggin' cool that you have access to training like this.
Nice work, Ned.
I think you and I are about the same as far as running.And yes...after you get used to running in the 9 min/mi range...it is extremely difficult to slow back down into that 10:30ish range.I have not been slowing that much right now as my push is for the spring half marathons and not for a full yet.'jb1020 said:
Love this part.
Great race, and good, strong finish. My 5-mile PR is 31:58, so you're not that far off. I need to get my ### in gear, apparently! 
Great job, The_Man! You are one fast SOB.I love both of these feelings, although that angry press at the end is an amazing rush.
Yeah...both my halfs I was just happy to finish (first one I was passing people but just enjoying the last run to the line...2nd one I was just surviving).But, the one 5K where I finished on my HS track...that one I had that angry "nobody is passing me on this track" finish. And yes...a huge rush. Tired legs were forgotten for a moment.
Wow Australia sounds awesome. Enjoy the trip and be safe.
No doubt...he is heading to Sydney...Im heading to Menasha Wisconsin...
You're talking about the 31st, right? If so, I'm down if you are. Just let me know when you get everything figured out so I can plan my Friday night accordingly (i.e., not be too ridiculously sleep-deprived and hungover on Saturday morning). A couple nice hills at the end of this run, too.
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