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Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)

Nice race report PM and great effort on what looks like a tougher course.Amazing what seems to happen to everybody between miles 15 and 20. Can feel like the strongest/bounciest runner and then the deep hurting comes on.
That part of the race is the part where you're starting to get pretty tired, but you've still got a long way to go. The ability to sniff the finish line at the 22/23/24 mile mark is a big mental pick-me-up, but the finish line still seems very far away when you're at mile 18.
This I just don't get. Miles 10-12 are the worst for me. That's the point when I realize I've been running a long time, the adernaline has worn off, and I'm not even halfway there. Why did I sign up for this echos through my head. Those doldrums last until mile 16 when it's less than double digit miles to go. From there it's only a 5k to mile 20. Now were talking a distance left to go that most everyday runs exceed and being done in under an hour.
:thumbup: Other than the very end of my marathon, around mile 12 sucked the most. The thought of running 12 miles and not even being halfway done was definitely a horrible feeling.
 
So, I guess that I was off on the Max Heart Rate, but I was just guessing and have never tested it to see what my max is.Question though since BNB brought up depleting the glycogen stores. I will have to re-read the books that I have, but aren't your glycogen stores not depleted as quickly because you are taking in GU and gatorade along the course, so I would think that it would prolong your use of your stores a bit. I do agree that I depleted mine as evident by my times over the last 6 miles. I know I still have some build up as I have not had time to roll it out yet. I can see depleting it really quickly if you have no intake, but I thought that was the point of those runs (The T and I runs). I have not read Daniels at all and this is all new to me. It is very interesting though.
That is correct. Problem is that you can only digest 150-300 calories per hour while racing. I burn 800+ per hour so I definately need to be below threshold where I am burning more fat stores. Your training goal should be to teach you body to optimize fat as fuel as opposed to carbs. It's actually a percentage but you can train for that percentage to lean heavier towards the fat usage. Regardless of how good of shape you are in, the harder you go the more than percentage will tilt toward carb usage. Above threshold and those carbs get chewed up.You'll hear pro cyclists talk about burning matches and staying out of the red zone. The red zone is a reference to above threshold. Often times you'll see them let people go on the long climbs. Physically they are capable of keeping up, but would pay the price down the road once the fuel stores were exhausted.For runners you may burn a match by allowing your hr to go above threshold for a mile on a hill to maintain your pace. That's fine for 6-10 minutes, you just need to get below threshold rather than burning through all the matches. Of course this is in reference to events over an hour. For shorter stuff you should be trying to light those matches.
 
So, I guess that I was off on the Max Heart Rate, but I was just guessing and have never tested it to see what my max is.

Question though since BNB brought up depleting the glycogen stores. I will have to re-read the books that I have, but aren't your glycogen stores not depleted as quickly because you are taking in GU and gatorade along the course, so I would think that it would prolong your use of your stores a bit. I do agree that I depleted mine as evident by my times over the last 6 miles. I know I still have some build up as I have not had time to roll it out yet. I can see depleting it really quickly if you have no intake, but I thought that was the point of those runs (The T and I runs). I have not read Daniels at all and this is all new to me. It is very interesting though.
That is correct. Problem is that you can only digest 150-300 calories per hour while racing. I burn 800+ per hour so I definately need to be below threshold where I am burning more fat stores. Your training goal should be to teach you body to optimize fat as fuel as opposed to carbs. It's actually a percentage but you can train for that percentage to lean heavier towards the fat usage. Regardless of how good of shape you are in, the harder you go the more than percentage will tilt toward carb usage. Above threshold and those carbs get chewed up.

You'll hear pro cyclists talk about burning matches and staying out of the red zone. The red zone is a reference to above threshold. Often times you'll see them let people go on the long climbs. Physically they are capable of keeping up, but would pay the price down the road once the fuel stores were exhausted.

For runners you may burn a match by allowing your hr to go above threshold for a mile on a hill to maintain your pace. That's fine for 6-10 minutes, you just need to get below threshold rather than burning through all the matches. Of course this is in reference to events over an hour. For shorter stuff you should be trying to light those matches.
:goodposting: I've always heard 200-250 calories for a person 175 lbs (where I hover). Here's a good article on glycogen replacement, though it is focused on post workout.
 
Its mind boggling how long it takes to fully recover from these longer races. I'm 11 days post triple and I'm still not 100%. Legs are just flat right now.

Yesterday was first non-recovery run - 8mi GA. Cardio felt fine, but legs just didn't have that oomph. 9:05/156

Today was a 5mi recovery run. The muggy weather isn't helping, but the legs are still just going thru the motions. 10:08/136

 
8 mile GA today...felt great after speadwork yesterday to be able to get out there and the legs felt perfect.

Tomorrow is a day off with some core and weight work...then a 12 miler on Friday as Saturday is booked with soccer and the end of the season soccer party with the family.

Probably get out for a about 5 recovery miles on Sunday though.

 
Alright, I've tried to get through a few pages of this and haven't found an answer so I'll just ask, need some help on the abbreviations you all are using, specifically PR. Been driving me nuts.

Also, what's best way to figure out max HR?

 
Alright, I've tried to get through a few pages of this and haven't found an answer so I'll just ask, need some help on the abbreviations you all are using, specifically PR. Been driving me nuts.

Also, what's best way to figure out max HR?
Puke at the end of a 5K.A few other common abbrev:

GMP = Goal Marathon Pace

MP = Marathon Pace

HMP = Half Marathon Pace

LT = Lactate Threshold

GA = General Aerobic

MLR = Medium Long Run

LR = Long Run

 
Today's update:

Bike - 45 minute outdoor ride, 4x my loop course (2.8 miles), 12.61 miles total. On loops 1 and 3 I focused on keeping my cadence above 80. Averaged 18.5 and 18.3 mph on those loops.

Swim - Actually got to the Y and swam at lunch today. Unfortunately, I forgot my Garmin 910xt, so I didn't get to try out it's lap function in the pool... next time. Anyway did 1100 yds total. Thought about doing more but was feeling it in my shoulders so went the smart route and bailed for the day.

I've been working on the whole HIM plan, and the beginning 8 or 9 weeks aren't going to work because I have a sprint and 2 oly's on the schedule as of now (plus hoping to do some shorter running races) and most weeks have either 1 run or 1 bike scheduled. Thinking I generally want/need 3 runs, 2-3 bikes and 2 swims. Strength training (which is x2/week on the HIM plan) would be on top of all that...

:shock:

 
Swim - Actually got to the Y and swam at lunch today. Unfortunately, I forgot my Garmin 910xt, so I didn't get to try out it's lap function in the pool... next time. Anyway did 1100 yds total. Thought about doing more but was feeling it in my shoulders so went the smart route and bailed for the day.
:shark:
I've been working on the whole HIM plan, and the beginning 8 or 9 weeks aren't going to work because I have a sprint and 2 oly's on the schedule as of now (plus hoping to do some shorter running races) and most weeks have either 1 run or 1 bike scheduled. Thinking I generally want/need 3 runs, 2-3 bikes and 2 swims. Strength training (which is x2/week on the HIM plan) would be on top of all that...
Drop the strength training. Use the mandatory bike/run sessions you mentioned as anchor workouts and work the rest of the week around those. Having the shorter races in the middle is just fine, IMO.
 
Swim - Actually got to the Y and swam at lunch today. Unfortunately, I forgot my Garmin 910xt, so I didn't get to try out it's lap function in the pool... next time. Anyway did 1100 yds total. Thought about doing more but was feeling it in my shoulders so went the smart route and bailed for the day.
:shark:
I've been working on the whole HIM plan, and the beginning 8 or 9 weeks aren't going to work because I have a sprint and 2 oly's on the schedule as of now (plus hoping to do some shorter running races) and most weeks have either 1 run or 1 bike scheduled. Thinking I generally want/need 3 runs, 2-3 bikes and 2 swims. Strength training (which is x2/week on the HIM plan) would be on top of all that...
Drop the strength training. Use the mandatory bike/run sessions you mentioned as anchor workouts and work the rest of the week around those. Having the shorter races in the middle is just fine, IMO.
This is really good posting. I'll add that you are already at probably week 5-8 fitness with the bike and the run and will catch up quick on the swim. This allows you to fit in the racing desired. Additionally, some of the bike and run work comes in, in very short amounts as a second workout of the day. What I am planning on, because I like to race, A LOT, is use the open weekends to grab really good brick workouts. Like I've stated before, the tripe bricks in the 15/3 range were some of my favorite training days. And, if you thought be religious to a marathon training plan was a PIA, just wait until you try to be to a HIM plan. Don't sweat it if you can't. Look at weekly total volume and strive to meet it as closely as possible as the training plan outlines. If a storm keeps you out of the pool on a swim day, pivot to something else, our use it as an unscheduled rest day and take a walk with your wife and/or spend some extra time with your boys.
 
'BassNBrew said:
'gruecd said:
'pigskinliquors said:
'gruecd said:
...so I can't do anything crazy.
What the hell does a meeting the NEXT day have to do with activities for the day before?!
Well, considering the meeting is 2 hours away from Platteville and will likely start promptly at 7:30 AM, I'd say that it has a lot to do with activities the day before....
Sounds like you need a mini-van.
So we are or aren't meeting up for some cow?
 
'comfortably numb said:
'beer 30 said:
Alright, I've tried to get through a few pages of this and haven't found an answer so I'll just ask, need some help on the abbreviations you all are using, specifically PR. Been driving me nuts.

Also, what's best way to figure out max HR?
personal record
Thanks :thumbup:
'Ned said:
'beer 30 said:
Alright, I've tried to get through a few pages of this and haven't found an answer so I'll just ask, need some help on the abbreviations you all are using, specifically PR. Been driving me nuts.

Also, what's best way to figure out max HR
Puke at the end of a 5K.A few other common abbrev:

GMP = Goal Marathon Pace

MP = Marathon Pace

HMP = Half Marathon Pace

LT = Lactate Threshold

GA = General Aerobic

MLR = Medium Long Run

LR = Long Run
2X thanks :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
Signature workout for this cycle of training completed:

10x500 on 7:30

5000yds completed in 1:14:15

Feel pretty good about the workout. Swam like a dying quail the last 1000, but I was anything but fresh today and following the black line for that long just sucks. Oh, and trying to zone out and just swim while keeping track of laps really doesn't work well. Let's just say 500 was more of a general guideline than a rule. :P

 
Signature workout for this cycle of training completed:

10x500 on 7:30

5000yds completed in 1:14:15

Feel pretty good about the workout. Swam like a dying quail the last 1000, but I was anything but fresh today and following the black line for that long just sucks. Oh, and trying to zone out and just swim while keeping track of laps really doesn't work well. Let's just say 500 was more of a general guideline than a rule. :P
#######eta, didn't it could sensor a double profanity. I crapped out at a mile tonight due to foot cramps. 5000 if ####### insane, can't wait for the bridge swim RR, you are a ####### beast.

 
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Signature workout for this cycle of training completed:

10x500 on 7:30

5000yds completed in 1:14:15

Feel pretty good about the workout. Swam like a dying quail the last 1000, but I was anything but fresh today and following the black line for that long just sucks. Oh, and trying to zone out and just swim while keeping track of laps really doesn't work well. Let's just say 500 was more of a general guideline than a rule. :P
I did half that distance tonite in a drag suit :thumbup: ... on a rowing machine :mellow: That's something like 3 miles of swimming. Great job...very impressive.

 
Brick time tonite.

20 mile on the road bike. Wasn't time to kill it but rode hard. 20.5 average but that doesn't mean much as traffic was horrible tonite going through town twice. Almost got tagged tonite by a ##### on chatting on the phone that blew through the traffic circle ignoring my right away. They installed two a 1/4 mile from my home two years ago and it's still a free for all. When I got home I realized I hadn't pumped my tires and was riding on 60 lbs. No wonder the ride felt nice and smooth.

5 mile run

1 - 10:13, 135 hr, -16 ft

2 - 10:31, 134, -10

3 - 10:38, 136, +49

4 - 10:20, 135, -19

5 - 10:11, 135, -26

Prety happy with those paces for a zone 1 run.

Finished up with back and bi's followed by 18 min on the rowing machine.

 
So, I guess that I was off on the Max Heart Rate, but I was just guessing and have never tested it to see what my max is.Question though since BNB brought up depleting the glycogen stores. I will have to re-read the books that I have, but aren't your glycogen stores not depleted as quickly because you are taking in GU and gatorade along the course, so I would think that it would prolong your use of your stores a bit. I do agree that I depleted mine as evident by my times over the last 6 miles. I know I still have some build up as I have not had time to roll it out yet. I can see depleting it really quickly if you have no intake, but I thought that was the point of those runs (The T and I runs). I have not read Daniels at all and this is all new to me. It is very interesting though.
That is correct. Problem is that you can only digest 150-300 calories per hour while racing. I burn 800+ per hour so I definately need to be below threshold where I am burning more fat stores. Your training goal should be to teach you body to optimize fat as fuel as opposed to carbs. It's actually a percentage but you can train for that percentage to lean heavier towards the fat usage. Regardless of how good of shape you are in, the harder you go the more than percentage will tilt toward carb usage. Above threshold and those carbs get chewed up.You'll hear pro cyclists talk about burning matches and staying out of the red zone. The red zone is a reference to above threshold. Often times you'll see them let people go on the long climbs. Physically they are capable of keeping up, but would pay the price down the road once the fuel stores were exhausted.For runners you may burn a match by allowing your hr to go above threshold for a mile on a hill to maintain your pace. That's fine for 6-10 minutes, you just need to get below threshold rather than burning through all the matches. Of course this is in reference to events over an hour. For shorter stuff you should be trying to light those matches.
After I read this I remembered about not being able to digest as fast as you could burn. I have some reading to do. I am going to go back and re-read the Pfitz book and another one that I have. Should hopefully refresh my memory on all this and learn what I did not learn the first time.Thanks for all the tips guys.--------------Going to try and get back in the saddle today and get a slow 5 miles in. Legs are not fully recovered, but I am hoping the run gets the blood flowing and cleans them out a bit.Have a great day all.
 
'BassNBrew said:
'gruecd said:
'pigskinliquors said:
'gruecd said:
...so I can't do anything crazy.
What the hell does a meeting the NEXT day have to do with activities for the day before?!
Well, considering the meeting is 2 hours away from Platteville and will likely start promptly at 7:30 AM, I'd say that it has a lot to do with activities the day before....
Sounds like you need a mini-van.
So we are or aren't meeting up for some cow?
I'd be good for a couple of beers and a burger around 3-4:00, otherwise I'm out. Staying at my buddy's place in Cedar Rapids that night, and I can't get down there too late.
 
Tried speed work again yesterday. Looking back through the thread it looks like maybe my recovery was too long? Am I on the right track here?

8x 400 (did 1:30 recovery @ ~ 9:30 pace)

1mi warmup 9:25 142

1 - 1:41 160

2 - 1:38 163

3 - 1:37 167

4 - 1:36 168

5 - 1:37 169

6 - 1:39 170

7 - 1:37 169

8 - 1:35 170

1mi cool down 8:55 160

 
Tried speed work again yesterday. Looking back through the thread it looks like maybe my recovery was too long? Am I on the right track here?8x 400 (did 1:30 recovery @ ~ 9:30 pace)1mi warmup 9:25 1421 - 1:41 1602 - 1:38 1633 - 1:37 1674 - 1:36 1685 - 1:37 1696 - 1:39 1707 - 1:37 1698 - 1:35 1701mi cool down 8:55 160
Sean - definitely on the right track! A solid number of repeats, steady pacing throughout, and a fair recovery. You could cut the recovery to 60 seconds, which really comes around quickly, but 90 seconds is fine. Nicely done!!!
 
Tried speed work again yesterday. Looking back through the thread it looks like maybe my recovery was too long? Am I on the right track here?8x 400 (did 1:30 recovery @ ~ 9:30 pace)1mi warmup 9:25 1421 - 1:41 1602 - 1:38 1633 - 1:37 1674 - 1:36 1685 - 1:37 1696 - 1:39 1707 - 1:37 1698 - 1:35 1701mi cool down 8:55 160
Sean - definitely on the right track! A solid number of repeats, steady pacing throughout, and a fair recovery. You could cut the recovery to 60 seconds, which really comes around quickly, but 90 seconds is fine. Nicely done!!!
:goodposting: Without knowing your 5K PR and your max HR, I wouldn't change a thing.
 
Tried speed work again yesterday. Looking back through the thread it looks like maybe my recovery was too long? Am I on the right track here?8x 400 (did 1:30 recovery @ ~ 9:30 pace)1mi warmup 9:25 1421 - 1:41 1602 - 1:38 1633 - 1:37 1674 - 1:36 1685 - 1:37 1696 - 1:39 1707 - 1:37 1698 - 1:35 1701mi cool down 8:55 160
Sean - definitely on the right track! A solid number of repeats, steady pacing throughout, and a fair recovery. You could cut the recovery to 60 seconds, which really comes around quickly, but 90 seconds is fine. Nicely done!!!
:goodposting: Without knowing your 5K PR and your max HR, I wouldn't change a thing.
Both said it well...seems like a very good speed session there.
 
Got my squats, lunges and situps in so far this morning.

There is nothing funnier than wathcing my 4 year old daughter try to do lunges next to me. Freaking hilarious.

She loves anytime I do these or when I stretch or get the foam roller out...she tries doing all of them. (my son will too)

Funny watching them with stretches as they are so darn flexible most of the stretches are not even started to stretch their legs.

 
Tried speed work again yesterday. Looking back through the thread it looks like maybe my recovery was too long? Am I on the right track here?8x 400 (did 1:30 recovery @ ~ 9:30 pace)1mi warmup 9:25 1421 - 1:41 1602 - 1:38 1633 - 1:37 1674 - 1:36 1685 - 1:37 1696 - 1:39 1707 - 1:37 1698 - 1:35 1701mi cool down 8:55 160
Sean - definitely on the right track! A solid number of repeats, steady pacing throughout, and a fair recovery. You could cut the recovery to 60 seconds, which really comes around quickly, but 90 seconds is fine. Nicely done!!!
:goodposting: Without knowing your 5K PR and your max HR, I wouldn't change a thing.
Both said it well...seems like a very good speed session there.
This is very similar to the speedwork I did on Tuesday, which is straight from the FIRST training plan (12x 400 w 90 sec RI). Great job.
 
'2Young2BBald said:
[work rant]

I hate it when people who aren't financial professionals think they know how to do my job better than I do.

:rant:

[/work rant]
Try being a teacher. Everyone knows better then you
than :boxing:

:P
I saw your FB post on this too. You may want to just stop reading anything with my name attached if you are going to continue this moving forward...
On FB I only do it to pull her pigtails. So don't worry - I'm not really looking to pull on yours... -ish. :unsure:
 
'BassNBrew said:
'gruecd said:
'pigskinliquors said:
'gruecd said:
...so I can't do anything crazy.
What the hell does a meeting the NEXT day have to do with activities for the day before?!
Well, considering the meeting is 2 hours away from Platteville and will likely start promptly at 7:30 AM, I'd say that it has a lot to do with activities the day before....
Sounds like you need a mini-van.
So we are or aren't meeting up for some cow?
I'd be good for a couple of beers and a burger around 3-4:00, otherwise I'm out. Staying at my buddy's place in Cedar Rapids that night, and I can't get down there too late.
Cool, we'll just keep in touch until the time gets closer.
 
Another 5k run today with 1 mile up/down. Hit 24:00 (7:44s) at 177HR.

Basically exactly what I did 4/15 on this run, so I figure this is what I'll set all of my run paces from for the FIRST plan until further notice (all distance paces for FIRST are based on your 5k).

 
Tried speed work again yesterday. Looking back through the thread it looks like maybe my recovery was too long? Am I on the right track here?8x 400 (did 1:30 recovery @ ~ 9:30 pace)1mi warmup 9:25 1421 - 1:41 1602 - 1:38 1633 - 1:37 1674 - 1:36 1685 - 1:37 1696 - 1:39 1707 - 1:37 1698 - 1:35 1701mi cool down 8:55 160
Sean - definitely on the right track! A solid number of repeats, steady pacing throughout, and a fair recovery. You could cut the recovery to 60 seconds, which really comes around quickly, but 90 seconds is fine. Nicely done!!!
:goodposting: Without knowing your 5K PR and your max HR, I wouldn't change a thing.
thanks guys - no 5k PR yet as I've never run a race before. First one (3.5 mi) coming in a few weeks so I'll have a better idea of things :puke
 
Thinking I generally want/need 3 runs, 2-3 bikes and 2 swims. Strength training (which is x2/week on the HIM plan) would be on top of all that...

:shock:
I'd also recommend that you don't do full strength training. I'd do situps/core every other day and do pushups on the other day to keep toned.
So we are or aren't meeting up for some cow?
Absolutely. We can work around Grue's schedule.
Signature workout for this cycle of training completed:

10x500 on 7:30

5000yds completed in 1:14:15
That's insane :shock: Holy crap!
Brick time tonite.

20 mile on the road bike. Wasn't time to kill it but rode hard. 20.5 average but that doesn't mean much as traffic was horrible tonite going through town twice. Almost got tagged tonite by a ##### on chatting on the phone that blew through the traffic circle ignoring my right away. They installed two a 1/4 mile from my home two years ago and it's still a free for all. When I got home I realized I hadn't pumped my tires and was riding on 60 lbs. No wonder the ride felt nice and smooth.

5 mile run

1 - 10:13, 135 hr, -16 ft

2 - 10:31, 134, -10

3 - 10:38, 136, +49

4 - 10:20, 135, -19

5 - 10:11, 135, -26

Prety happy with those paces for a zone 1 run.

Finished up with back and bi's followed by 18 min on the rowing machine.
Nice brick BnB :thumbup: I can't believe you rode at 60 psi. You are lucky you didn't get a pinch flat. I air up for every ride, and have a goal of never letting my tires get below 100 psi (115, and 120 MAX psi) so that I know I'm on my bike frequent enough.
Got my squats, lunges and situps in so far this morning.

There is nothing funnier than wathcing my 4 year old daughter try to do lunges next to me. Freaking hilarious.

She loves anytime I do these or when I stretch or get the foam roller out...she tries doing all of them. (my son will too)

Funny watching them with stretches as they are so darn flexible most of the stretches are not even started to stretch their legs.
:goodposting: I love it when my daughters try to workout with me. Priceless!!___________________

My update:

Did 50 minutes on the elliptical, followed by Ab Ripper, followed by 1250 in the pool. I did 100, 200, 450, 200, 200, 100. It was quite humbling as I had members of the Texas A&M women's swim team in both lanes adjacent to me, and one sharing my lane. I enjoyed the views, but could not have felt slower. All laps were still better than 1:00, but my ego took a solid hit. This morning was my last strength workout for P90x (legs and back) and I'm ecstatic to say that I didn't miss one over the entire cycle. Now time to figure out what's next.

 
Got my squats, lunges and situps in so far this morning.There is nothing funnier than wathcing my 4 year old daughter try to do lunges next to me. Freaking hilarious.She loves anytime I do these or when I stretch or get the foam roller out...she tries doing all of them. (my son will too)Funny watching them with stretches as they are so darn flexible most of the stretches are not even started to stretch their legs.
:goodposting: I love it when my daughters try to workout with me. Priceless!!
:thumbup: My kids used to like doing parts of Insanity with me (twin 4 yr old boys and 6 yr old boy). I think they got a kick out of Shaun T. My 6 year old would always be yelling about how we needed to "digger deeper!!" and "come on y'all!!!". And yes those little ####ers are so damn flexible. I'd be struggling mightily to get into some of the stretches and they'd just bend and twist like it was nothing.
 
Pigskin - Congrats on completing px90. That's huge! You are a training machine right now.

Went out for a recover ride today. I can't stand them. Bike fast and running slow are fun for me. Running fast and biking slow not so much fun. 37 miles @ 17.4 mph, 123 hr. I think I was at 18.5 for the first 15 and 17.9 for the first 30...legs fell off the cliff.

 

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