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What the hell does a meeting the NEXT day have to do with activities for the day before?!...so I can't do anything crazy.
What the hell does a meeting the NEXT day have to do with activities for the day before?!...so I can't do anything crazy.
No, it's just a quick in-and-out. Kinda like 2Young's sex life.![]()
I dominate the Mini Me Division here as well. Wait, :finger:

This I just don't get. Miles 10-12 are the worst for me. That's the point when I realize I've been running a long time, the adernaline has worn off, and I'm not even halfway there. Why did I sign up for this echos through my head. Those doldrums last until mile 16 when it's less than double digit miles to go. From there it's only a 5k to mile 20. Now were talking a distance left to go that most everyday runs exceed and being done in under an hour.That part of the race is the part where you're starting to get pretty tired, but you've still got a long way to go. The ability to sniff the finish line at the 22/23/24 mile mark is a big mental pick-me-up, but the finish line still seems very far away when you're at mile 18.Nice race report PM and great effort on what looks like a tougher course.Amazing what seems to happen to everybody between miles 15 and 20. Can feel like the strongest/bounciest runner and then the deep hurting comes on.
Try being a teacher. Everyone knows better then you[work rant]
I hate it when people who aren't financial professionals think they know how to do my job better than I do.
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Pinky finger???No, it's just a quick in-and-out. Kinda like 2Young's sex life.![]()
I dominate the Mini Me Division here as well. Wait, :finger:
Well, considering the meeting is 2 hours away from Platteville and will likely start promptly at 7:30 AM, I'd say that it has a lot to do with activities the day before....What the hell does a meeting the NEXT day have to do with activities for the day before?!...so I can't do anything crazy.
That is correct. Problem is that you can only digest 150-300 calories per hour while racing. I burn 800+ per hour so I definately need to be below threshold where I am burning more fat stores. Your training goal should be to teach you body to optimize fat as fuel as opposed to carbs. It's actually a percentage but you can train for that percentage to lean heavier towards the fat usage. Regardless of how good of shape you are in, the harder you go the more than percentage will tilt toward carb usage. Above threshold and those carbs get chewed up.You'll hear pro cyclists talk about burning matches and staying out of the red zone. The red zone is a reference to above threshold. Often times you'll see them let people go on the long climbs. Physically they are capable of keeping up, but would pay the price down the road once the fuel stores were exhausted.For runners you may burn a match by allowing your hr to go above threshold for a mile on a hill to maintain your pace. That's fine for 6-10 minutes, you just need to get below threshold rather than burning through all the matches. Of course this is in reference to events over an hour. For shorter stuff you should be trying to light those matches.So, I guess that I was off on the Max Heart Rate, but I was just guessing and have never tested it to see what my max is.Question though since BNB brought up depleting the glycogen stores. I will have to re-read the books that I have, but aren't your glycogen stores not depleted as quickly because you are taking in GU and gatorade along the course, so I would think that it would prolong your use of your stores a bit. I do agree that I depleted mine as evident by my times over the last 6 miles. I know I still have some build up as I have not had time to roll it out yet. I can see depleting it really quickly if you have no intake, but I thought that was the point of those runs (The T and I runs). I have not read Daniels at all and this is all new to me. It is very interesting though.
Sounds like you need a mini-van.Well, considering the meeting is 2 hours away from Platteville and will likely start promptly at 7:30 AM, I'd say that it has a lot to do with activities the day before....What the hell does a meeting the NEXT day have to do with activities for the day before?!...so I can't do anything crazy.
I planned on driving up in my SUV, but could ask my ex if she'd let me borrow her (which I bought and still frick'n pay insurance for) mini-vanSounds like you need a mini-van.

That is correct. Problem is that you can only digest 150-300 calories per hour while racing. I burn 800+ per hour so I definately need to be below threshold where I am burning more fat stores. Your training goal should be to teach you body to optimize fat as fuel as opposed to carbs. It's actually a percentage but you can train for that percentage to lean heavier towards the fat usage. Regardless of how good of shape you are in, the harder you go the more than percentage will tilt toward carb usage. Above threshold and those carbs get chewed up.So, I guess that I was off on the Max Heart Rate, but I was just guessing and have never tested it to see what my max is.
Question though since BNB brought up depleting the glycogen stores. I will have to re-read the books that I have, but aren't your glycogen stores not depleted as quickly because you are taking in GU and gatorade along the course, so I would think that it would prolong your use of your stores a bit. I do agree that I depleted mine as evident by my times over the last 6 miles. I know I still have some build up as I have not had time to roll it out yet. I can see depleting it really quickly if you have no intake, but I thought that was the point of those runs (The T and I runs). I have not read Daniels at all and this is all new to me. It is very interesting though.
You'll hear pro cyclists talk about burning matches and staying out of the red zone. The red zone is a reference to above threshold. Often times you'll see them let people go on the long climbs. Physically they are capable of keeping up, but would pay the price down the road once the fuel stores were exhausted.
For runners you may burn a match by allowing your hr to go above threshold for a mile on a hill to maintain your pace. That's fine for 6-10 minutes, you just need to get below threshold rather than burning through all the matches. Of course this is in reference to events over an hour. For shorter stuff you should be trying to light those matches.
I've always heard 200-250 calories for a person 175 lbs (where I hover). Here's a good article on glycogen replacement, though it is focused on post workout.Possibly, but looks like a :babyarm: based on my height.Pinky finger???No, it's just a quick in-and-out. Kinda like 2Young's sex life.![]()
I dominate the Mini Me Division here as well. Wait, :finger:
personal recordAlright, I've tried to get through a few pages of this and haven't found an answer so I'll just ask, need some help on the abbreviations you all are using, specifically PR. Been driving me nuts.
Also, what's best way to figure out max HR?
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I hate it when people who aren't financial professionals think they know how to do my job better than I do.
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Puke at the end of a 5K.A few other common abbrev:Alright, I've tried to get through a few pages of this and haven't found an answer so I'll just ask, need some help on the abbreviations you all are using, specifically PR. Been driving me nuts.
Also, what's best way to figure out max HR?
Swim - Actually got to the Y and swam at lunch today. Unfortunately, I forgot my Garmin 910xt, so I didn't get to try out it's lap function in the pool... next time. Anyway did 1100 yds total. Thought about doing more but was feeling it in my shoulders so went the smart route and bailed for the day.
Drop the strength training. Use the mandatory bike/run sessions you mentioned as anchor workouts and work the rest of the week around those. Having the shorter races in the middle is just fine, IMO.I've been working on the whole HIM plan, and the beginning 8 or 9 weeks aren't going to work because I have a sprint and 2 oly's on the schedule as of now (plus hoping to do some shorter running races) and most weeks have either 1 run or 1 bike scheduled. Thinking I generally want/need 3 runs, 2-3 bikes and 2 swims. Strength training (which is x2/week on the HIM plan) would be on top of all that...
I saw your FB post on this too. You may want to just stop reading anything with my name attached if you are going to continue this moving forward...thanTry being a teacher. Everyone knows better then you[work rant]
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This is really good posting. I'll add that you are already at probably week 5-8 fitness with the bike and the run and will catch up quick on the swim. This allows you to fit in the racing desired. Additionally, some of the bike and run work comes in, in very short amounts as a second workout of the day. What I am planning on, because I like to race, A LOT, is use the open weekends to grab really good brick workouts. Like I've stated before, the tripe bricks in the 15/3 range were some of my favorite training days. And, if you thought be religious to a marathon training plan was a PIA, just wait until you try to be to a HIM plan. Don't sweat it if you can't. Look at weekly total volume and strive to meet it as closely as possible as the training plan outlines. If a storm keeps you out of the pool on a swim day, pivot to something else, our use it as an unscheduled rest day and take a walk with your wife and/or spend some extra time with your boys.Swim - Actually got to the Y and swam at lunch today. Unfortunately, I forgot my Garmin 910xt, so I didn't get to try out it's lap function in the pool... next time. Anyway did 1100 yds total. Thought about doing more but was feeling it in my shoulders so went the smart route and bailed for the day.
Drop the strength training. Use the mandatory bike/run sessions you mentioned as anchor workouts and work the rest of the week around those. Having the shorter races in the middle is just fine, IMO.I've been working on the whole HIM plan, and the beginning 8 or 9 weeks aren't going to work because I have a sprint and 2 oly's on the schedule as of now (plus hoping to do some shorter running races) and most weeks have either 1 run or 1 bike scheduled. Thinking I generally want/need 3 runs, 2-3 bikes and 2 swims. Strength training (which is x2/week on the HIM plan) would be on top of all that...
So we are or aren't meeting up for some cow?'BassNBrew said:Sounds like you need a mini-van.'gruecd said:Well, considering the meeting is 2 hours away from Platteville and will likely start promptly at 7:30 AM, I'd say that it has a lot to do with activities the day before....'pigskinliquors said:What the hell does a meeting the NEXT day have to do with activities for the day before?!'gruecd said:...so I can't do anything crazy.
Thanks'comfortably numb said:personal record'beer 30 said:Alright, I've tried to get through a few pages of this and haven't found an answer so I'll just ask, need some help on the abbreviations you all are using, specifically PR. Been driving me nuts.
Also, what's best way to figure out max HR?
2X thanks'Ned said:Puke at the end of a 5K.A few other common abbrev:'beer 30 said:Alright, I've tried to get through a few pages of this and haven't found an answer so I'll just ask, need some help on the abbreviations you all are using, specifically PR. Been driving me nuts.
Also, what's best way to figure out max HR
GMP = Goal Marathon Pace
MP = Marathon Pace
HMP = Half Marathon Pace
LT = Lactate Threshold
GA = General Aerobic
MLR = Medium Long Run
LR = Long Run
#######eta, didn't it could sensor a double profanity. I crapped out at a mile tonight due to foot cramps. 5000 if ####### insane, can't wait for the bridge swim RR, you are a ####### beast.Signature workout for this cycle of training completed:
10x500 on 7:30
5000yds completed in 1:14:15
Feel pretty good about the workout. Swam like a dying quail the last 1000, but I was anything but fresh today and following the black line for that long just sucks. Oh, and trying to zone out and just swim while keeping track of laps really doesn't work well. Let's just say 500 was more of a general guideline than a rule.![]()
5000 if ####### insane, can't wait for the bridge swim RR, you are a ####### beast.

I did half that distance tonite in a drag suitSignature workout for this cycle of training completed:
10x500 on 7:30
5000yds completed in 1:14:15
Feel pretty good about the workout. Swam like a dying quail the last 1000, but I was anything but fresh today and following the black line for that long just sucks. Oh, and trying to zone out and just swim while keeping track of laps really doesn't work well. Let's just say 500 was more of a general guideline than a rule.![]()
That's something like 3 miles of swimming. Great job...very impressive.After I read this I remembered about not being able to digest as fast as you could burn. I have some reading to do. I am going to go back and re-read the Pfitz book and another one that I have. Should hopefully refresh my memory on all this and learn what I did not learn the first time.Thanks for all the tips guys.--------------Going to try and get back in the saddle today and get a slow 5 miles in. Legs are not fully recovered, but I am hoping the run gets the blood flowing and cleans them out a bit.Have a great day all.That is correct. Problem is that you can only digest 150-300 calories per hour while racing. I burn 800+ per hour so I definately need to be below threshold where I am burning more fat stores. Your training goal should be to teach you body to optimize fat as fuel as opposed to carbs. It's actually a percentage but you can train for that percentage to lean heavier towards the fat usage. Regardless of how good of shape you are in, the harder you go the more than percentage will tilt toward carb usage. Above threshold and those carbs get chewed up.You'll hear pro cyclists talk about burning matches and staying out of the red zone. The red zone is a reference to above threshold. Often times you'll see them let people go on the long climbs. Physically they are capable of keeping up, but would pay the price down the road once the fuel stores were exhausted.For runners you may burn a match by allowing your hr to go above threshold for a mile on a hill to maintain your pace. That's fine for 6-10 minutes, you just need to get below threshold rather than burning through all the matches. Of course this is in reference to events over an hour. For shorter stuff you should be trying to light those matches.So, I guess that I was off on the Max Heart Rate, but I was just guessing and have never tested it to see what my max is.Question though since BNB brought up depleting the glycogen stores. I will have to re-read the books that I have, but aren't your glycogen stores not depleted as quickly because you are taking in GU and gatorade along the course, so I would think that it would prolong your use of your stores a bit. I do agree that I depleted mine as evident by my times over the last 6 miles. I know I still have some build up as I have not had time to roll it out yet. I can see depleting it really quickly if you have no intake, but I thought that was the point of those runs (The T and I runs). I have not read Daniels at all and this is all new to me. It is very interesting though.
I'd be good for a couple of beers and a burger around 3-4:00, otherwise I'm out. Staying at my buddy's place in Cedar Rapids that night, and I can't get down there too late.So we are or aren't meeting up for some cow?'BassNBrew said:Sounds like you need a mini-van.'gruecd said:Well, considering the meeting is 2 hours away from Platteville and will likely start promptly at 7:30 AM, I'd say that it has a lot to do with activities the day before....'pigskinliquors said:What the hell does a meeting the NEXT day have to do with activities for the day before?!'gruecd said:...so I can't do anything crazy.
Sean - definitely on the right track! A solid number of repeats, steady pacing throughout, and a fair recovery. You could cut the recovery to 60 seconds, which really comes around quickly, but 90 seconds is fine. Nicely done!!!Tried speed work again yesterday. Looking back through the thread it looks like maybe my recovery was too long? Am I on the right track here?8x 400 (did 1:30 recovery @ ~ 9:30 pace)1mi warmup 9:25 1421 - 1:41 1602 - 1:38 1633 - 1:37 1674 - 1:36 1685 - 1:37 1696 - 1:39 1707 - 1:37 1698 - 1:35 1701mi cool down 8:55 160
Sean - definitely on the right track! A solid number of repeats, steady pacing throughout, and a fair recovery. You could cut the recovery to 60 seconds, which really comes around quickly, but 90 seconds is fine. Nicely done!!!Tried speed work again yesterday. Looking back through the thread it looks like maybe my recovery was too long? Am I on the right track here?8x 400 (did 1:30 recovery @ ~ 9:30 pace)1mi warmup 9:25 1421 - 1:41 1602 - 1:38 1633 - 1:37 1674 - 1:36 1685 - 1:37 1696 - 1:39 1707 - 1:37 1698 - 1:35 1701mi cool down 8:55 160
Without knowing your 5K PR and your max HR, I wouldn't change a thing.Both said it well...seems like a very good speed session there.Sean - definitely on the right track! A solid number of repeats, steady pacing throughout, and a fair recovery. You could cut the recovery to 60 seconds, which really comes around quickly, but 90 seconds is fine. Nicely done!!!Tried speed work again yesterday. Looking back through the thread it looks like maybe my recovery was too long? Am I on the right track here?8x 400 (did 1:30 recovery @ ~ 9:30 pace)1mi warmup 9:25 1421 - 1:41 1602 - 1:38 1633 - 1:37 1674 - 1:36 1685 - 1:37 1696 - 1:39 1707 - 1:37 1698 - 1:35 1701mi cool down 8:55 160Without knowing your 5K PR and your max HR, I wouldn't change a thing.
This is very similar to the speedwork I did on Tuesday, which is straight from the FIRST training plan (12x 400 w 90 sec RI). Great job.Both said it well...seems like a very good speed session there.Sean - definitely on the right track! A solid number of repeats, steady pacing throughout, and a fair recovery. You could cut the recovery to 60 seconds, which really comes around quickly, but 90 seconds is fine. Nicely done!!!Tried speed work again yesterday. Looking back through the thread it looks like maybe my recovery was too long? Am I on the right track here?8x 400 (did 1:30 recovery @ ~ 9:30 pace)1mi warmup 9:25 1421 - 1:41 1602 - 1:38 1633 - 1:37 1674 - 1:36 1685 - 1:37 1696 - 1:39 1707 - 1:37 1698 - 1:35 1701mi cool down 8:55 160Without knowing your 5K PR and your max HR, I wouldn't change a thing.
Yeah, I didn't say I was an English teacher
On FB I only do it to pull her pigtails. So don't worry - I'm not really looking to pull on yours... -ish.'2Young2BBald said:I saw your FB post on this too. You may want to just stop reading anything with my name attached if you are going to continue this moving forward...thanTry being a teacher. Everyone knows better then you[work rant]
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Cool, we'll just keep in touch until the time gets closer.I'd be good for a couple of beers and a burger around 3-4:00, otherwise I'm out. Staying at my buddy's place in Cedar Rapids that night, and I can't get down there too late.So we are or aren't meeting up for some cow?'BassNBrew said:Sounds like you need a mini-van.'gruecd said:Well, considering the meeting is 2 hours away from Platteville and will likely start promptly at 7:30 AM, I'd say that it has a lot to do with activities the day before....'pigskinliquors said:What the hell does a meeting the NEXT day have to do with activities for the day before?!'gruecd said:...so I can't do anything crazy.
Yes.what is better for intervals, 400 or 800?
thanks guys - no 5k PR yet as I've never run a race before. First one (3.5 mi) coming in a few weeks so I'll have a better idea of thingsSean - definitely on the right track! A solid number of repeats, steady pacing throughout, and a fair recovery. You could cut the recovery to 60 seconds, which really comes around quickly, but 90 seconds is fine. Nicely done!!!Tried speed work again yesterday. Looking back through the thread it looks like maybe my recovery was too long? Am I on the right track here?8x 400 (did 1:30 recovery @ ~ 9:30 pace)1mi warmup 9:25 1421 - 1:41 1602 - 1:38 1633 - 1:37 1674 - 1:36 1685 - 1:37 1696 - 1:39 1707 - 1:37 1698 - 1:35 1701mi cool down 8:55 160Without knowing your 5K PR and your max HR, I wouldn't change a thing.
ukeI'd also recommend that you don't do full strength training. I'd do situps/core every other day and do pushups on the other day to keep toned.Thinking I generally want/need 3 runs, 2-3 bikes and 2 swims. Strength training (which is x2/week on the HIM plan) would be on top of all that...
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Absolutely. We can work around Grue's schedule.So we are or aren't meeting up for some cow?
That's insane
Holy crap!
Nice brick BnBBrick time tonite.
20 mile on the road bike. Wasn't time to kill it but rode hard. 20.5 average but that doesn't mean much as traffic was horrible tonite going through town twice. Almost got tagged tonite by a ##### on chatting on the phone that blew through the traffic circle ignoring my right away. They installed two a 1/4 mile from my home two years ago and it's still a free for all. When I got home I realized I hadn't pumped my tires and was riding on 60 lbs. No wonder the ride felt nice and smooth.
5 mile run
1 - 10:13, 135 hr, -16 ft
2 - 10:31, 134, -10
3 - 10:38, 136, +49
4 - 10:20, 135, -19
5 - 10:11, 135, -26
Prety happy with those paces for a zone 1 run.
Finished up with back and bi's followed by 18 min on the rowing machine.
Got my squats, lunges and situps in so far this morning.
There is nothing funnier than wathcing my 4 year old daughter try to do lunges next to me. Freaking hilarious.
She loves anytime I do these or when I stretch or get the foam roller out...she tries doing all of them. (my son will too)
Funny watching them with stretches as they are so darn flexible most of the stretches are not even started to stretch their legs.
I love it when my daughters try to workout with me. Priceless!!___________________
rouddaddy:Got my squats, lunges and situps in so far this morning.There is nothing funnier than wathcing my 4 year old daughter try to do lunges next to me. Freaking hilarious.She loves anytime I do these or when I stretch or get the foam roller out...she tries doing all of them. (my son will too)Funny watching them with stretches as they are so darn flexible most of the stretches are not even started to stretch their legs.
I love it when my daughters try to workout with me. Priceless!!
thats awesomeI felt this was worth a separate post. Here's a picture of my youngest riding on my shoulders (and talking/giggling non-stop) for a 5k.rouddaddy:
Priceless moments.thats awesomeI felt this was worth a separate post. Here's a picture of my youngest riding on my shoulders (and talking/giggling non-stop) for a 5k.rouddaddy: