Ran a 10k in June (7 Viewers)

[SFBayDuck]

On the treadmill today I looked down at my feet, I thought my foot placement was arrow-straight from pushoff to landing, but on pushoff the toes on each foot actually swing to the outside a little bit (right at pushoff when they are in the air) then arc back to land straight. So each leg is going though a twist with each step. Seems like I am wasting energy with this arc. I tried focusing on a few things to straighten it out, and some things worked, but nothing felt natural. Tightening up my groin muscles, as uncomfortable as that sounds, seemed to work the best, but there is no way I could sustain that for very long. Any way to fix this, like a different shoe or something, or perhaps various hip exercises, or should I just ignore it?

One time being fitted for shoes, I ran on one of those video recorded treadmills. I noticed that I run slightly pigeon-toed with my right foot. Left foot lands fine. I almost couldn't bear watching. It looked horrifying! When I pointed this out, the woman fitting me told me not to worry about it. The body will often natually adjust to the quickest, most efficient way from point A to point B. I think one of my legs is slightly longer that the other and my left hip is more flexible than my right. Maybe my body is compensating due to one of those reasons.

I recommend to ignore it -- particularly if you aren't have injury problems.

I looked at the bottom of my shoes and they are a little bit more worn on the outside edge, makes sense since I have high arches and that is where my weight is. I think the wear on the shoes is causing this. So its either (1) take a belt sander to my shoes or (2) get a new pair. I'm due for the latter.

I was just listening to a podcast today, and one of the hosts was talking about taking a wood rasp to the heels of his shoes to even out the wear. Said he's got pairs with 2000+ miles on them by doing things like that to keep the wear evened out so as not to exacerbate any bio mechanical idiosyncrasies.

Hmmm, I think if I ever start a band it'll be called Biomechanical Idiosyncrasies.....

 

[BassNBrew]

Got the groove on. Ran a 5k tonite. Baseline two weeks ago was 29'37, 159 hr on fresh legs. Tonite was 29'04", 152 hr on blasted legs. Long way from my pr of 23'05.

Watching is telling me my recovery time based on my fitness is 46 hours.

 

[FUBAR]

Last two days were bike trainer, 100 minutes then 66 minutes. Is it just mental or is the trainer actually harder than riding outside? Could just be getting back into things too.

8.5 mile run on the cape fear river trail today, 148 bpm the first 5.5, turn around point was a hilltop, 120' in 1/4 mile (in this area, that's huge) then did 4 one minute / two minute intervals in miles 6 and 7. Felt great to get some speed work in, even if just a little.

 

[FUBAR]

Duck, I may steal that as a team name

 

[FUBAR]

Oh, and screw the treadmill. I'll use a binge trainer instead.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Oh, and screw the treadmill. I'll use a binge trainer instead.

Binge training....sounds like my 6-year college experience......

 

[FUBAR]

Oh, and screw the treadmill. I'll use a binge trainer instead.

Binge training....sounds like my 6-year college experience......

Swype (phone) strikes again.Bike trainer

Although my 10.5 years of higher education largely served as binge training.

 

[BassNBrew]

Just got a new pair of Hokas and they are awesome. Anyone dealing with injuries should give them a try. I did my first run in the them with dead legs after two previous days of two hours running each. Plan to go 4-6 miles but my legs felt so rejuvenated that I did r 9+ miles or two hours. Ran in them last night on the road after a very hard bike ride earlier in the day and felt great afterwards.

7+ hours of running and 2.25 hrs of bkining over the last seven days. That equates to roughly 65-70 mile week for most in here or 90+ for Steve.

I'm about to buy my third pair, I love 'em. They're especially useful for fat guys like me who go up and down a lot of hills. Which model did you get? I have had the Stinson EVO, but will probably try on a couple of different models this time.

I do mix in my Cascadia 7s once a week or so just to keep myself from being too used to running on pillows and change things up a bit.

I hear that there are several Hoka-like models coming out from other shoe companies this year. Funny how quickly trends change.

I went with the Stinson EVO. It's like an air ride.

 

[BassNBrew]

Last two days were bike trainer, 100 minutes then 66 minutes. Is it just mental or is the trainer actually harder than riding outside? Could just be getting back into things too.

8.5 mile run on the cape fear river trail today, 148 bpm the first 5.5, turn around point was a hilltop, 120' in 1/4 mile (in this area, that's huge) then did 4 one minute / two minute intervals in miles 6 and 7. Felt great to get some speed work in, even if just a little.

It's harder because you lose the cooling effect. You're also getting 1.5 the workout inside because there are no downhills, turns, or stop signs.

 

[tri-man 47]

Oh, and screw the treadmill. I'll use a binge trainer instead.

Binge training....sounds like my 6-year college experience......

Swype (phone) strikes again.Bike trainer

Although my 10.5 years of higher education largely served as binge training.

Med school, maybe? Or is this an Animal House type of thing? Sorry if you mentioned it before (except for Animal House ...that always bears repeating).

 

[Sand]

I looked at the bottom of my shoes and they are a little bit more worn on the outside edge, makes sense since I have high arches and that is where my weight is. I think the wear on the shoes is causing this. So its either (1) take a belt sander to my shoes or (2) get a new pair. I'm due for the latter.

Mine are completely different, thanks to a knee surgery. My right foot wears on the outside and much faster than the left. I can wear down a right shoe in 100 miles, and with many shoes I have built up a new sole with shoe goo to keep the shoes viable (I like that better than a belt sander).

 

[FUBAR]

Oh, and screw the treadmill. I'll use a binge trainer instead.

Binge training....sounds like my 6-year college experience......

Swype (phone) strikes again.Bike trainer

Although my 10.5 years of higher education largely served as binge training.

Med school, maybe? Or is this an Animal House type of thing? Sorry if you mentioned it before (except for Animal House ...that always bears repeating).

5 years of college

3 years law school

1 year llm

1.5 years of various Army schools (probably more)

All but two years of college paid for by the Army

 

[tri-man 47]

Put in a pretty tough 10 miles today. Temp was about 25, but sharp NW winds pushed the wind chill down around 10 degrees. Add in a couple inches of overnight snow, drifting in the strong winds, and it was a hard effort. Capped off the day here watching my Wolverines knock off MSU on the road.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

heat wave of 22 here today, but like tri-man, battled the wind the entire time. knew i had to get out today though because the temps are supposed to drop back the next few days. single digit highs and below zero lows for the next 3 days...

 

[MAC_32]

More than a foot of snow, most not shoveled but it may be too cold tomorrow and definitely will Tuesday. Maybe Wednesday too. Going to try to do five but if the snow is too thick will cut it short.

 

[SFBayDuck]

After reading those last three updates, I think I'll just keep my mouth shut......

I don't know how you guys do it. And by do it, I mean live in places with weather like that, not just the running in it. But I suppose I'm just soft having spent my whole life on the West Coast.

 

[Juxtatarot]

48 miles this week which is the most I've run in many months. I'd like to put in a consistent stretch of weeks in the 40s and 50s range. I'm also going to try to be super anal about running easy miles within a few beats of 75% of max HR (about 137).

 

[FUBAR]

After reading those last three updates, I think I'll just keep my mouth shut......

I don't know how you guys do it. And by do it, I mean live in places with weather like that, not just the running in it. But I suppose I'm just soft having spent my whole life on the West Coast.

It's kind of funny though. I grew up in Michigan, the cold never bothered me and I never thought much about moving south. You get used to it. In some ways, I'd still take the sub zero temps over suck indexes over 150.

 

[FUBAR]

Ran 2 1/2 hours this morning before church.

Drove 2 1/2 hours after church.

I prefer the run.

 

[tri-man 47]

After reading those last three updates, I think I'll just keep my mouth shut......

I don't know how you guys do it. And by do it, I mean live in places with weather like that, not just the running in it. But I suppose I'm just soft having spent my whole life on the West Coast.

Honestly, I love the different seasons (I grew up in Michigan, too). Sure, I'd enjoy cool temps all the time for running, but I love the start of spring after the winter cold and snow, watching everything come alive again; the enjoyment of summer; the crispness of fall and the changing colors; and then the beauty of a snow-covered landscape. I don't like the extremes of the heat and the cold, but it's offset by the variety. I was out shoveling a couple inches of snow (again) this morning before church, and I stopped a couple times to just enjoy the view of everything covered in a fresh blanket of snow. But ask me in 48 hours after we've had two days where the high is supposed to be below zero.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I was originally planning on running outside this morning, but we had a blizzard warning come down last night so I just packed gym clothes instead. Yet, when I actually got to the gym, it was nice and still and I easily could have gotten my 10 miles in outside instead of on the treadmill if only I had packed some cold weather gear. ####. Of course right now looking out my window I'm pretty sure I just saw a tauntaun running for shelter, but I'm kicking myself for not taking advantage of surprisingly decent weather earlier today.

This is going to be my last week of purely "off-season" running. I want to do well in my local half this May, so I figure I'll use February to build my long run up from 10 miles to 15 miles, and then start speed work in March.

 

[MAC_32]

After reading those last three updates, I think I'll just keep my mouth shut......

I don't know how you guys do it. And by do it, I mean live in places with weather like that, not just the running in it. But I suppose I'm just soft having spent my whole life on the West Coast.

Honestly, I love the different seasons (I grew up in Michigan, too). Sure, I'd enjoy cool temps all the time for running, but I love the start of spring after the winter cold and snow, watching everything come alive again; the enjoyment of summer; the crispness of fall and the changing colors; and then the beauty of a snow-covered landscape. I don't like the extremes of the heat and the cold, but it's offset by the variety. I was out shoveling a couple inches of snow (again) this morning before church, and I stopped a couple times to just enjoy the view of everything covered in a fresh blanket of snow. But ask me in 48 hours after we've had two days where the high is supposed to be below zero.

could not have put it any better.I got my full five in, more was shoveled than I expected but the first two miles and the last half were not. The end was especially hellish. It was awesome.

Wife is out trying for six to seven. Good luck!

 

[ChiefD]

Gorgeous Sunday again here in KC. 37 when I started at about 9 and 47 when I was done 90 minutes later. Nice slow run: just under 10 miles.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

After reading those last three updates, I think I'll just keep my mouth shut......

I don't know how you guys do it. And by do it, I mean live in places with weather like that, not just the running in it. But I suppose I'm just soft having spent my whole life on the West Coast.

Honestly, I love the different seasons (I grew up in Michigan, too). Sure, I'd enjoy cool temps all the time for running, but I love the start of spring after the winter cold and snow, watching everything come alive again; the enjoyment of summer; the crispness of fall and the changing colors; and then the beauty of a snow-covered landscape. I don't like the extremes of the heat and the cold, but it's offset by the variety. I was out shoveling a couple inches of snow (again) this morning before church, and I stopped a couple times to just enjoy the view of everything covered in a fresh blanket of snow. But ask me in 48 hours after we've had two days where the high is supposed to be below zero.

This is a really nice way of putting it. I love those runs in the early spring where you're in shorts and long sleeves with snow drifts still melting off. And falls are great up here with cold mornings if you want them or warm-ish afternoons if that's what you'd prefer instead. I don't mind running indoors, so honestly there's nothing winter can throw at me that gets me too worked up. Summer kind of blows, but that would be worse everywhere in the country.

 

[Sand]

After reading those last three updates, I think I'll just keep my mouth shut......

I don't know how you guys do it. And by do it, I mean live in places with weather like that, not just the running in it. But I suppose I'm just soft having spent my whole life on the West Coast.

It's kind of funny though. I grew up in Michigan, the cold never bothered me and I never thought much about moving south. You get used to it. In some ways, I'd still take the sub zero temps over suck indexes over 150.

Yup.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I would gleefully run in a 150 suck index tomorrow.

 

[MAC_32]

I would gleefully run in a 150 suck index tomorrow.

nah, wind chill will be -20 by the time I get out, probably more snow too. I'll take it.

 

[FUBAR]

After reading those last three updates, I think I'll just keep my mouth shut......

I don't know how you guys do it. And by do it, I mean live in places with weather like that, not just the running in it. But I suppose I'm just soft having spent my whole life on the West Coast.

It's kind of funny though. I grew up in Michigan, the cold never bothered me and I never thought much about moving south. You get used to it. In some ways, I'd still take the sub zero temps over suck indexes over 150.

Yup.

of course, the converse holds true for biking and outdoor swimming.

 

[Annyong]

Inspired by Steve's doubles, I am trying to wake up early and go for a run in the AM. Problem is I am supposed to be into work by 7am at the latest. My gym opens at 5am. I'm gonna attempt to make it there nice and early so I can make it into work by 6:30-7am and hit the gym on the way home for round 2 around 6pm.

 

[tri-man 47]

I would gleefully run in a 150 suck index tomorrow.

nah, wind chill will be -20 by the time I get out, probably more snow too. I'll take it.

My university's closed tomorrow. I might attempt to run 3-4 miles just to be foolish and to be able to say I did it.

 

[MAC_32]

I would gleefully run in a 150 suck index tomorrow.

nah, wind chill will be -20 by the time I get out, probably more snow too. I'll take it.

My university's closed tomorrow. I might attempt to run 3-4 miles just to be foolish and to be able to say I did it.

just got an email saying as of now we are open, but we are also supposed to get more snow before the cold hits, so here's hoping for an early morning surprise. I'd like to get my run in before it gets too cold!

 

[Hang 10]

Been rehabbing my runners knee for the past 3 weeks or so and finally feel like I'm ready to start training. Ran 5 miles on treadmill Friday, did a 6 mile trail run Saturday and then did 5 on the road yesterday and actually pushed the pace...closed with a 6:34 mile just to see if I could. No knee pain.

 

[Hang 10]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

 

[Juxtatarot]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

 

[gruecd]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

And gruecd still having lingering hip/groin pain, necessitating an MRA tomorrow morning to hopefully find out once and for all WTF is going on...

 

[Annyong]

Inspired by Steve's doubles, I am trying to wake up early and go for a run in the AM. Problem is I am supposed to be into work by 7am at the latest. My gym opens at 5am. I'm gonna attempt to make it there nice and early so I can make it into work by 6:30-7am and hit the gym on the way home for round 2 around 6pm.

X

slept in

 

[Hang 10]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

I'm lazy what page?

 

[Hang 10]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

And gruecd still having lingering hip/groin pain, necessitating an MRA tomorrow morning to hopefully find out once and for all WTF is going on...

Damn, dude that sucks. Hope you get some good news. Being on the shelf blows.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

And gruecd still having lingering hip/groin pain, necessitating an MRA tomorrow morning to hopefully find out once and for all WTF is going on...

Good luck. I hope you get something definitive on this.

 

[koby925]

48 miles this week which is the most I've run in many months. I'd like to put in a consistent stretch of weeks in the 40s and 50s range. I'm also going to try to be super anal about running easy miles within a few beats of 75% of max HR (about 137).

Nice week. I hit my high total in months two weeks ago at 42. Sidelined a bit with being sick this past week and slogged through 35 for the week. My plan is also to get back into the 40s this week and get some consistent 40s and maybe 50s beginning of the year.

 

[BassNBrew]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

And gruecd still having lingering hip/groin pain, necessitating an MRA tomorrow morning to hopefully find out once and for all WTF is going on...

Dang, I thought it was better. How did the half go?

 

[gruecd]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

And gruecd still having lingering hip/groin pain, necessitating an MRA tomorrow morning to hopefully find out once and for all WTF is going on...

Dang, I thought it was better. How did the half go?

I thought it was better, too, but I guess the ibuprofen was just masking the pain and not really addressing any of the causes, because as soon as I stopped taking it, the pain pretty much came back. I ran the half, but I could feel the soreness/tightness the whole way, so hopefully I didn't make it any worse. I ran slow (1:37), but I don't know if that was a function of the hip/groin or if I'm just out of shape. Probably a combination of the two.

 

[BassNBrew]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

I'm lazy what page?

LOL. Maybe we could read it to you?

 

[BassNBrew]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

And gruecd still having lingering hip/groin pain, necessitating an MRA tomorrow morning to hopefully find out once and for all WTF is going on...

Dang, I thought it was better. How did the half go?

I thought it was better, too, but I guess the ibuprofen was just masking the pain and not really addressing any of the causes, because as soon as I stopped taking it, the pain pretty much came back. I ran the half, but I could feel the soreness/tightness the whole way, so hopefully I didn't make it any worse. I ran slow (1:37), but I don't know if that was a function of the hip/groin or if I'm just out of shape. Probably a combination of the two.

Wishing you the best. My gut says it isn't anything major. I'm still shocked that a doctor said 75% chance of something without actual images.

 

[Hang 10]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

I'm lazy what page?

LOL. Maybe we could read it to you?

An audio book of this thread would be awesome.

 

[BassNBrew]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

I'm lazy what page?

LOL. Maybe we could read it to you?

An audio book of this thread would be awesome.

You did catch the post numbers in his reply???

 

[gruecd]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

And gruecd still having lingering hip/groin pain, necessitating an MRA tomorrow morning to hopefully find out once and for all WTF is going on...

Dang, I thought it was better. How did the half go?

I thought it was better, too, but I guess the ibuprofen was just masking the pain and not really addressing any of the causes, because as soon as I stopped taking it, the pain pretty much came back. I ran the half, but I could feel the soreness/tightness the whole way, so hopefully I didn't make it any worse. I ran slow (1:37), but I don't know if that was a function of the hip/groin or if I'm just out of shape. Probably a combination of the two.

Wishing you the best. My gut says it isn't anything major. I'm still shocked that a doctor said 75% chance of something without actual images.

Well, she did have an x-ray, and both she and her radiologist friend saw the "bump" on the head of the femur. The question is whether or not that's what's causing the symptoms.

 

[Hang 10]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

I'm lazy what page?

LOL. Maybe we could read it to you?

An audio book of this thread would be awesome.

You did catch the post numbers in his reply???

I did but I wanted hot links! J/K

Just read worrierkings marathon post. Awesome stuff my friend! Congrats on the PR!

 

[Hang 10]

And Steve, my goodness man! That is awesome! The fact that you PR'd by over 2 minutes means you aren't close to done yet. Crazy improvement on an already ridiculous PR.

 

[BassNBrew]

So what have I missed? It's definitely hard to post in this thread while injured.

Steve awesomeness (post 46348), a PR marathon by Worrierking (46379), both #####ing and rejoicing about the weather, and some treadmill bashing.

And gruecd still having lingering hip/groin pain, necessitating an MRA tomorrow morning to hopefully find out once and for all WTF is going on...

Dang, I thought it was better. How did the half go?

I thought it was better, too, but I guess the ibuprofen was just masking the pain and not really addressing any of the causes, because as soon as I stopped taking it, the pain pretty much came back. I ran the half, but I could feel the soreness/tightness the whole way, so hopefully I didn't make it any worse. I ran slow (1:37), but I don't know if that was a function of the hip/groin or if I'm just out of shape. Probably a combination of the two.

Wishing you the best. My gut says it isn't anything major. I'm still shocked that a doctor said 75% chance of something without actual images.

Well, she did have an x-ray, and both she and her radiologist friend saw the "bump" on the head of the femur. The question is whether or not that's what's causing the symptoms.

75% just seemed like a really weird number. Actually it was weird that she placed a number on it at all rather than, I see this on the x-ray so it's possible it could be this but I would need an mri to know for sure. Did she tell you what the other 25% could be?

You may have mentioned this before, but do you know if the bump is a genetic thing or a use issue?