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Sorry, BG, but I have to disagree with the others. I think you're nuts. Your longest run has been nine miles and you think that you're going to run a marathon? Granted, you can probably finish, but I'm hard pressed to believe that it's going to be an enjoyable experience. I guess if you don't care at all about time and you're OK with doing a lot of walking, then maybe you'll be OK. Sorry for being Debbie Downer, but I just wouldn't recommend it.
The Crazylegs Classic (8K) on April 6th in Madison, WI. My current, realistic goal is to complete it in under 45 minutes...and if my training continues to improve and if everything is perfect I might be able get under 40 minutes.
I appreciate the honesty...I do.Yes, this year my longest run is 9 miles. I did run 13 miles last year.
Outstanding. I get geeked everytime I register too. Its another kick in the pants to keep motivated. I am guessing, just based on the location and the distance, that there are the words "free beer" some where in the race's web page.I just registered for my first race...EVER!The Crazylegs Classic (8K) on April 6th in Madison, WI. My current, realistic goal is to complete it in under 45 minutes...and if my training continues to improve and if everything is perfect I might be able get under 40 minutes. Anyway, all I did was register and I still feel super excited, like I want to sneak out of work early and go for a run!
Yup...and the finish line is the 50 yard line in Camp Randall Stadium!Post-Race FestivalOutstanding. I get geeked everytime I register too. Its another kick in the pants to keep motivated. I am guessing, just based on the location and the distance, that there are the words "free beer" some where in the race's web page.I just registered for my first race...EVER!
Anyway, all I did was register and I still feel super excited, like I want to sneak out of work early and go for a run!
Yup...and the finish line is the 50 yard line in Camp Randall Stadium!Post-Race FestivalOutstanding. I get geeked everytime I register too. Its another kick in the pants to keep motivated. I am guessing, just based on the location and the distance, that there are the words "free beer" some where in the race's web page.I just registered for my first race...EVER!
Anyway, all I did was register and I still feel super excited, like I want to sneak out of work early and go for a run!
Bigger than ever!
The Crazylegs Classic post-race festival is a long time favorite of the hard-core runner and fun-seeker alike. Race participants are replenished with free fruit and bottled water, while complimentary beer and the UW Marching Band's legendary 5th Quarter performance provide that unique Wisconsin flavor. This year the band will be The Eddie Butts Band!
Awesome.
If you want to build up your endurance, build up your weekly mileage. It is the running solid mileage frequently that builds up endurance. Not tiny mileage with one absurdly long run per week. Personally, I try to limit by long runs to no more than 40% of my weekly mileage. It also looks to me like you're increasing your distances too quickly. Four hours is definitely not embarrassing; I just don't think you understand how hard it is to run a 4-hour marathon. I did my first marathon in 3:45, and I was consistently up over 40-50 MPW. Best of luck with whatever you decide, but if I were you, I'd wait until fall and do it right. If you try to do this, I'm going to be really surprised if you don't get injured.
Dude... 9miles at 10min/mile does NOT translate to 26miles at 9+min/mile. HTH.You are being incredibly unrealistic here. You've got essentially 5 weeks to get ready for a marathon without having much mileage at all in your training bank. Also- I think 22 miles 2 weeks before the marathon is a complete mistake- read back a few posts and see the discussion about how long it takes to recover from that kind of distance... you should be starting your taper at that point, not doing the longest run of your life.
Awesome Kegger = That is one of my favorite runs! It will be packed, and you won't be able to run whatever pace you think you want to; but running into Camp Randall is about as good as it gets! Have a blast at the after-party!2Young2BBald said:Outstanding. I get geeked everytime I register too. Its another kick in the pants to keep motivated. I am guessing, just based on the location and the distance, that there are the words "free beer" some where in the race's web page.Keggers said:I just registered for my first race...EVER!The Crazylegs Classic (8K) on April 6th in Madison, WI. My current, realistic goal is to complete it in under 45 minutes...and if my training continues to improve and if everything is perfect I might be able get under 40 minutes. Anyway, all I did was register and I still feel super excited, like I want to sneak out of work early and go for a run!
Craig, I was actually dumb enough to run up and down Camelback a few years ago while in Phoenix (lucky to be staying at the Royal Palms). 90 degree morning ...tough.HEY you guys, could you all stop being so entertaining here? I need to get some work done, but I can't stop reading all the neat stuff! Prosopis,
, but seriously - congrats. We've all been through those kinds of races. As noted, you did it, so congrats again. You did the right thing letting grandma stay ahead of you. Bankerguy, if you want to try the marathon, I say give it a shot, but respect it as Floppo notes. Especially with limited training and first time out, I strongly encourage to go into it without a pre-conceived time. It would probably be wise to plan to walk through the aid stations in order to give yourself a bit of a breather.
Thanks for everyone sharing.That's all I am asking for. I fully know I'm no expert.Oh well, it should be a gong show watching me over the next several weeks.El Floppo said:
Stay healthy, gb! It'll be fun to watch and we'll all be routing for you.Oh- and don't be the guy who goes out fast because you feel good. Even if it feels too slow for the first 10 miles- stay with that- you'll have 16 miles to pick your pace up until the finish (that last part was a joke).Thanks for everyone sharing.That's all I am asking for. I fully know I'm no expert.Oh well, it should be watching me over the next several weeks.El Floppo said:
Thanks! Gruecd also made reference to the how crowded it will be. My friend that lives in Madison says the organizers are putting an emphasis on the "wave start." Since this is my first time I will not have anything to compare it too...but hopefully it's better than in previous years. The after party WILL be a blast! I'll be trying to meet up with the people I go with (obviously), about 3-4 people from high school (haven't seen in years) and a co-worker or two. I'm thinking my time will be better than I expect....beer is a huge motivator for me!Awesome Kegger = That is one of my favorite runs! It will be packed, and you won't be able to run whatever pace you think you want to; but running into Camp Randall is about as good as it gets! Have a blast at the after-party!2Young2BBald said:Outstanding. I get geeked everytime I register too. Its another kick in the pants to keep motivated. I am guessing, just based on the location and the distance, that there are the words "free beer" some where in the race's web page.Keggers said:I just registered for my first race...EVER!
I've more than bored everyone here with the Run/Walk Marathon concept so I won't go in to detail other than to outline that it is the only way I think (at this point) I could do a full marathon and, to be honest, I think I'll be OK with anything under 4:30. Tagging on what EF questioned, I've run a 1:49 & (2) 1:52 1/2s this year & a 47 minute 10K, but I'd be
to think I could come close to maintaining anything close to this type of pace for 13 more miles. I'll have to swallow a ton of pride to back my pace down and walk every 7 minutes, but it will be so worth it if it leads to a complete marathon. Let me know if you want more Run/Walk info. I am in no way an expert, but I have read up on it a ton and have logged around 150 miles of practice since the first of this year.
I agree with others that this plan looks a bit unrealistic, and that 4 hours is too fast of a time goal. IF you can run 13 miles this weekend, I'd recommend this for a schedule instead:this weekend - 13Bankerguy said:
Everybody I know is exactly like you before a big race- even seasoned vets. Don't sweat it... you'll enjoy the hell out of it, and feeling amped up like this, IMO, is part of the whole experience. Righetti and I both ran NYC the same year as our first marathon, and we were twittering like little girls for a couple of weeks before hand. I think I started having dreams every night about it. You, sir, are not alone.Oh- it was recommended to me to buy cheapo pre-race throwaway sweats/etc. Everything got shed down to race-clothes as we got ready to start. At least with NYC, volunteers go around and collect all the clothes to give away to charity (which is why I left the tags on... from K-Mart... rather than bought 2nd hand).
Quick question. The above trail is pretty well maintained but it is still a desert hike. Would you guys wear your hiking boots and try to run it or wear your running shoes?I know the real answer is trail running shoes but that is not happening any time soon.I did 3 miles today. I had a lot of shin and quad pain. I pushed through it though. I have been wearing my MBT shoes to work and while they are very comfortable they do cause soreness in my legs. I am assuming this is a good thing. I think these shoes are the cause of my muscle pain. I have Friday off and I think I am going to run Wasson peak for some hill work. it has a pretty good rise in elevation.
http://www.protrails.com/trail.php?trailID=202
I wore my race shirt yesterday. I had an appointment at the dentist and he saw the shirt. He asked me "Are you a runner?"
After a slight pause I said "yes I reckon so"
It felt good to say.
That's pretty crazy. Hope you had a lot of water. It's a big difference from the running in the midwest with the elevation change. The first day I moved here, I tried doing the same thing (w/o water) and about passed out 1/3 of the way up. Big shock how difficult it was (vs. running at ground level).
Running shoes. If you have a higher pair of socks, wear them to keep the sand out of your socks. Prepare yourself for burning abs. I love the core crushing workout trail running gives. Hey and congrats on being recognized as a runner. I think its my 4th favorite thing to be called behind Dad, husband & coach.Quick question. The above trail is pretty well maintained but it is still a desert hike. Would you guys wear your hiking boots and try to run it or wear your running shoes?I know the real answer is trail running shoes but that is not happening any time soon.I did 3 miles today. I had a lot of shin and quad pain. I pushed through it though. I have been wearing my MBT shoes to work and while they are very comfortable they do cause soreness in my legs. I am assuming this is a good thing. I think these shoes are the cause of my muscle pain. I have Friday off and I think I am going to run Wasson peak for some hill work. it has a pretty good rise in elevation.
http://www.protrails.com/trail.php?trailID=202
I wore my race shirt yesterday. I had an appointment at the dentist and he saw the shirt. He asked me "Are you a runner?"
After a slight pause I said "yes I reckon so"
It felt good to say.
So which is the best plan?
ThanksRunning shoes. If you have a higher pair of socks, wear them to keep the sand out of your socks. Prepare yourself for burning abs. I love the core crushing workout trail running gives. Hey and congrats on being recognized as a runner. I think its my 4th favorite thing to be called behind Dad, husband & coach.Quick question. The above trail is pretty well maintained but it is still a desert hike. Would you guys wear your hiking boots and try to run it or wear your running shoes?I know the real answer is trail running shoes but that is not happening any time soon.I did 3 miles today. I had a lot of shin and quad pain. I pushed through it though. I have been wearing my MBT shoes to work and while they are very comfortable they do cause soreness in my legs. I am assuming this is a good thing. I think these shoes are the cause of my muscle pain. I have Friday off and I think I am going to run Wasson peak for some hill work. it has a pretty good rise in elevation.
http://www.protrails.com/trail.php?trailID=202
I wore my race shirt yesterday. I had an appointment at the dentist and he saw the shirt. He asked me "Are you a runner?"
After a slight pause I said "yes I reckon so"
It felt good to say.
So which is the best plan?
Great advice on the disposable stuff and I think this, like most races washes the stuff and donates it too. The route is basically an out and back. There are a couple of people I know that live near the turn around. I have thoughts of seeing if one of them could show up for a short wile and have a spare top for me in case I need a dry cover.
We had both the single & double jog strollers when the kids were small
We spent a little more and got the single stroller with the bigger back "bike" tires versus the smaller ones. The double had the smaller tires. I hated the double, but loved the single. Be sure to strap the little bentley in with the entire set of 5 point straps. Once the kids got bigger, I got faster and almost catapulted them a few times.For the 10K, here are a few things that got me over the 50-minute hump the first time (I had just missed a few times):
Two general additions to these race comments:It can also help to use the turns for a bit of acceleration. Instead of short-stepping and losing a bit of speed, I think it helps to plan in advance to use turns to kind of sling-shot your way around the bend and then settle back down to your pace. That bit of quick stepping/strong stepping saves a second or two while also helping to pick the pace back up, rather than having the corners slow the overall pace as you come out sluggishly.Toward the finish, it helps to know the final 1/2 mile of the course and again, planning in advance, be ready to push early on ...not to wait until the crowds are around and cheering. The crowds will help for the final 1/4 mile ...plan to push the pace earlier than that.Prosopis, I'm generally not too comfortable wearing running shoes for general walk-around activities. The shoes have the bigger, springy heels, and it's a bit awkward for just walking ...they're made for the running gait.
) and that our garage was open; I headed back to our house, checked out our garage, and went into the house to check on my three girls (all three still sleeping!); and went out and re-started my run. When I got back to the neighborhood, there were more than 20 police cars, and police, and police dogs, roaming every street. This is at least a run I'll remember!
IF you are going to be pushing yourself on the trail 1/2, I wouldn't recommend trying the du; if you are just running the race for the enjoyment (treating as a run, not a race) I say go for it. Having a long run the weekend before a duathlon wouldn't be that much out of the ordinary. I once did tri's on back to back weeks (an Olympic followed by a sprint), and actually found my legs to be in pretty decent shape. You end up recovering; and tapering at the same time
I've only run 2 duathlons before; and other than feeling dreadfully slow; I don't think recovery from them was much. I have a friend who will string together 5 or 6 events in the middle of the summer; and treats just the last in the line as a "race" (he uses the others for training). IMHO it's certainly doable, but you shouldn't treat the half as a race, if you want to be ready for the du. My .02
Decided to give me a prescription for a stronger anti-inflammatory, with the thought that maybe there's some swelling or something inside the kneecap itself. Gonna give it until early next week, and if it's not getting better, gonna get an MRI and start on prednisone (which I really don't wanna do 'cuz of the side effects).
it goes without saying...pigskinliquors said:I screwed up a little bit. I had planned on registering for this weekend's race yesterday, and completely forgot about it. I went to register today, and online registration is closed. I now have to register between 6:30 & 6:45 the morning of the race (= a half hour less of sleep)
That sounds like an amazing run.
Can't tell you how envious I am of you guys as I wheeze and dodge my way through NYC traffic just for the fun of running next to the East River and FDR Drive/highway.I'm a big fan of running trails- even with the ankle-turning possibilites; I feel like it strengthens everything better (joints, muscles etc) than running on hard-pack. Harder to get into that running rhythm though...
I am going to look into one of those belts. I carry way to much stuff. I tend to hike in some very remote areas and I always want to be prepared. Somehow I brought that thinking into my run today. I dont know why but I did.That sounds like an amazing run.
Have you tried a fuel-belt? I've used a 4 bottle version that's good for 28oz of drink (4x 7oz- usually enough for me for up to 2 hours or so), plus holds your keys, cel-phone and a gel or two in the pouch. I don't even notice it on runs since it's nicely weighted around my hips. I found the camel-backs too top-heavy for my liking (although I've never tried the Camel waist-pack, which my old tri-coaches used).
Cool run. I have family and a few freinds that live out in Boise and I have run the foothills with them a few times. They swear by running with their camelback versus using a fuel belt. Before you buy a belt, you might want to just try a pare down what you are packing and play with the straps to get comfortable. As you progress, you might find that what you thought might be a short run, turns in to a longer one because you are feeling good and it'd be good to have some extra water. If you go the fuel belt route, I use an Amphipod belt and have no complants. I picked it over the Fuel Belt brand based on feel.
The mind is a beautiful thing to waste, isn't it? Back in my college years and while bowling in the church bowling league, they handed out some sheets on the first night. For whatever reason, I couldn't figure out the sequence of numbers next to my name. One of the men in the league was kind enough to inform me that it was my phone number. 
Is your sub-50 10K tomorrow? Good luck if it is!!!Although you were kidding, for me there is a HUGE difference between post-run and post-race food (even though there shouldn't be). My post long run meal is always a spinich salad with feta, olive oil & balsamic vinegar and several kinds of peppers. I try to pack as many "healing" foods in to a single meal. Post-race, screw the healthy stuff. I go for the pizza & cookies in the snack tent versus the fruit and yogurt. For next weeks race, the outfit that puts it on always has tons of excellent pizza. I have it tucked away in my noggin as one more piece of motivation towards the end of the race. Anything longer than 1/2 marathon and the reward is also a Little Tony's Blue (cheese) Burger with bacon & sauteed onions & a basket of fries (add onion rings if it was a real good race).Update, I did a 5K tempo run just under 25-minutes, trying to go easy Taper time is in full swing with only short run next Wednesday and swims on Mon/Wed. To futher prove how run-physco I am, I pulled up the MapMyRun race map for next weekend, blew it up so I could see all of the street names and copied it on 4-mile increments in to PowerPoint slides so I could study where the water stops are and where I should be taking "food".
Awesome, that'll be the plan to get one and wear it under the wetsuit. I have the shorts. I bought a pair of Sugois without the butt pad for my 1st tri and realized at about mile 3 of the ride that it was a mistake. I have a pair with the pad now. They have an awesome rubber band at the bottom of the thigh to keep them from riding up. The non-padded ones have become my swim training suit.
Kick-### day for you in the pool!!! Once summer gets here and I can swim when I want versus at 8:00 at night, twice a week, I want to add some additional sets of 500 to my routine. While I hate early morning exercise, I may try and swim a few monings a week.
2Young... Tri-gear stuff:- I think it's no-brainer to race with tri-shorts and singlet under your wetsuit- they wick dry quickly on the bike and it's one major thing less to deal with at T1 and T2. If it's cold on race day, have a vest or jacket ready for T1. I've also had friends put in FedEx tyvek shipping packs as windbreaks under their singlet at T1- I've tried this in training and they work great- just take a little time to adjust.2Young2BBald said:
Any way of going out for a longish run tomorrow? I think it would be great training for you to do some slow miles on heavy legs- doesn't have to be the original 13, but maybe 6-8? This will give you a closer idea what it's going to feel like on the 2nd half of race day, IMO.What does everybody else think? I'm just worried Banker was already backed against a wall, time-wise, and needs to get the miles in before race-day.
Not quite yet Yoda, the plan is for 3 or 4 sprints this summer (or more if I can find the time) then an Olympic in mid-September. This is if my body makes it through a marathon next weekend and a butt-kicker of a trail 1/2 the last weekend in April. Thanks for the info & sorry I forgot you in my original question, you were a huge help last year. The tri I am gunning to do the Olympic in in Mid-September is on Lake Huron and wouldn't be all that long of a drive for, say, a former triathlete from New York. Lodging is VERY inexpensive as its the off season. I brought the entire family last year and had a blast.I forget... you're doing a 1/2 IM? I was/am a big proponent of studying the hell out of the race course and scheduling your nutrition based on the course and time. If there's a hilly section on the bike, you're going to want to avoid taking too much in at that point (your HR will be too high)- look for long flat areas where you can be in your bars and attack the "feed zone", or "buffet line" as my old tri-coaches called it. Olympic and smaller races become less about nutrition and more about hammering- 1/2s and up you need to do both.
Damn! All this tri-typing is getting me jonesing to race again... stupid, fat, sedentary floppo
Yeah...good call. I'll likely get out and do another 9 tomorrow.I'll do it a little later and not first thing in the morning after having a couple the night before.Also, I'll choose a better route, the one today had 1 killer hill and two other smaller ones. Perhaps a flatter course will help just get the miles in.Thanks for the feedback. I'm really on the fence with my committment and motivation. The next 3 weeks are likely critical for me.GB this training.
