wraith5
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Mutual admiration/jealousy society: If I tried to run 18 miles right now I wouldn't make it back. Let alone trail miles.
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Ran a 10k in June (4 Viewers)
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DolphinsPhan
Footballguy
Did 5 miles this morning. Felt pretty good. Made a change to my running form this week, so still working on that, but the benefits are there right from the get-go.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Do tell!
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
I know, and thanks....there is a reason my goals are more around running trails and pushing my distances to marathon and beyond. I'll never be fast, never be a guy running a 20:00 5K or a 45 minute 10K. But out on the trail I don't need to be fast, I just need to keep going. Doesn't mean I'm not a little envious at times of you speedsters that can just open it up!Mutual admiration/jealousy society: If I tried to run 18 miles right now I wouldn't make it back. Let alone trail miles.
DolphinsPhan
Footballguy
so I have been subscribing to the "ChiRunning" philosophy for a little over a year now. Met up with the instructor this past weekend at a running store grand opening (he was there to do a presentation). Had a quick review session and basically I was leaning too far forward so my knees weren't positioned where they were supposed to be when my feet hit the ground. That kind of caused me to "brake" against the ground and putting pressure on my knees. Also my cadence was really slow. Just changing the lean was really easy and made a huge difference...
gruecd
Footballguy
Hey, guys. Thanks for tri-man, 2Young, culdeus, BNB, and Floppo for your E-mails regarding the bike last night. One of my "internet running friends" owns SportyMamaBikes.com (supposedly the largest seller of new bikes on eBay), so I'll probably talk to her, too, if only as a courtesy. I'm also considering starting out by just getting some shorts and some shoes and trying a RPM class at my gym just to see if I even like cycling, although I suspect I already know the answer.
Anyway, meant to get up this morning to do my 9-mile run before work, but for various reasons (none of them good), it didn't happen, so I'll have to head out later this afternoon or tonight.
Keep up the good work you guys, and I look forward to actually seeing most of you in person in the coming months!
Anyway, meant to get up this morning to do my 9-mile run before work, but for various reasons (none of them good), it didn't happen, so I'll have to head out later this afternoon or tonight.
Keep up the good work you guys, and I look forward to actually seeing most of you in person in the coming months!
Had a good run last night! A total of 6 miles (46:15), broken down in three continuous (no stopping/breaks) "sets." 2 miles in 14:46.....2 miles in 17:00....then 2 miles in 14:29! I purposely did the middle 2 miles at a slower time because I can't keep a faster pace for the entire distance. I was thrilled that my final 2 miles averaged 7:14/mile!
During my 10K this weekend I think I'll use this strategy...break the run down into thirds with the middle third being a bit slower. My goal this weekend: break 47 minutes. Not much training for the rest of the week. Maybe a light 3 miles on Thursday to keep the legs fresh.
When entering this run into my log I couldn't help but look at past entries. Just over a month ago I couldn't break 48:00 on a 5 miler....now I'm doing better than that in 6 miles!
I was skeptical at first (about keeping a log) but now that there's a few months of entries I can definitely see the benefits. Thanks to those who suggested keeping a log!
During my 10K this weekend I think I'll use this strategy...break the run down into thirds with the middle third being a bit slower. My goal this weekend: break 47 minutes. Not much training for the rest of the week. Maybe a light 3 miles on Thursday to keep the legs fresh.
When entering this run into my log I couldn't help but look at past entries. Just over a month ago I couldn't break 48:00 on a 5 miler....now I'm doing better than that in 6 miles!
I was skeptical at first (about keeping a log) but now that there's a few months of entries I can definitely see the benefits. Thanks to those who suggested keeping a log!
wraith5
Footballguy
Tell her I said "hi" - I bought my cyclocross bike from her (this) two years ago and she was really helpful when my LBS gave me the cold shoulder - she even sent me a DVD on bike maintenance after I emailed her in a panic. Oh, and she gave me a great deal on a bike I love, too. Nothing planned for the day, which is good because my legs are still really tired. I'm a little shocked considering my weekend run ended up being short because of the race and I only did 6.2 yesterday. I know the program I'm doing is about quality runs instead of quantity of miles, so maybe this is what I can expect. Supposed to do 7 miles tomorrow...gruecd said:
http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/TopCategories_10053_10052_-1
Smoking deal on Accelerade plus an add'l 20% off.
Smoking deal on Accelerade plus an add'l 20% off.
Holy crap! That's not too far from where I live and I've never heard of this event. Beautiful area!!!Yep.SFBayDuck said:Finished this book on Sunday, and I give it
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wraith5
Footballguy
I assume this has been discussed somewhere in the thread previously, but that's good stuff compared to Gatorade? Was fixin' to order a bike rack from Nashbar, anyway...
tri-man 47
Footballguy
YES. You get a carb/protein balance. Over long workouts, I feel like I'm getting more sustenance from Accelerade than I do from Gatorade. The consistency of it when mixed with water is like a very thin milkshake. I like the orange flavor.
Gatorade is worthless.I use Cytomax during workouts and accelerade afterwards becuase of the protein and amino acids. It's a little think for my tastes during a workout. I like the fruit punch.
DolphinsPhan
Footballguy
It was certianly worth it for me. The local ChiRunning guy did a one hour presentation at a local running store so I went. I was able to put some better visuals behind the text in the book. Then I signed up for a 4 hour session. There were about 10 of us in the class. It was only like $100 for a 4 hour session.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Great swim this morning, following a bit of speed work on the track on Tuesday and some biking with short 'stomps' yesterday. Swam a straight 40 minutes, which is roughly my race time/distance for next week. It felt comfortable throughout and I didn't feel tired at all when I was done. Pacing was right at a 36 minute mile. I'd be extremely happy if I can do my swim segment at 41/42 minutes and with good energy for the remaining legs.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Sounds like you are more than ready. Not than any of us would expect otherwise!Ramping up at my new job now, which means I actually have stuff to do! With the 8 weeks between jobs, and then the last month of mostly learning on my own (I work from home), I've pretty much been able to run whenever I want. Today is the first day in quite awhile I'm trying to figure out when I can get it in, looks like around 1:00 is my window. Good feeling to work my way towards being productive again, and working from home I still have more freedom than most to run whenever my schedule provides, but I'll have to plan a bit more now to stay on track. 25K trail race in 9 days! 26M in 6 weeks! 57K in 13 weeks?ETA: I registered for the SF Marathon this morning, so it's on!
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ETA: I registered for the SF Marathon this morning, so it's on!
wraith5
Footballguy
Sounds like you are more than ready. Not than any of us would expect otherwise!Ramping up at my new job now, which means I actually have stuff to do! With the 8 weeks between jobs, and then the last month of mostly learning on my own (I work from home), I've pretty much been able to run whenever I want. Today is the first day in quite awhile I'm trying to figure out when I can get it in, looks like around 1:00 is my window. Good feeling to work my way towards being productive again, and working from home I still have more freedom than most to run whenever my schedule provides, but I'll have to plan a bit more now to stay on track. 25K trail race in 9 days! 26M in 6 weeks! 57K in 13 weeks?
ETA: I registered for the SF Marathon this morning, so it's on!
Good job Tri & congrats on registering to Duck. I'm not ready to take a bite at that particular apple yet.6 miles this morning, 1 warm up (8:55), 3 at short tempo pace (8:00's), finished with 2 more at 8:55. My legs are still really tired. It's only been about a month that I've been sticking to 3 runs/week, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
Ordered my Accelerade last night - orange & fruit punch. I read up on it a bit and I'm hopeful it will make a difference in my training/recovery.
Sand
Footballguy
Running musculature question. I have one muscle that is really complaining about the running, but I don't even know what muscle it is. The muscle is directly on the side (i.e. if you stand and hang your arms normally it is that plane) and at belt level. Maybe the upper part of the glut where it attached to the outside of the pelvic girdle?
Is this normal, common? It doesn't affect the running, but I want to make sure this is just a muscle that is underused and complaining rather than something unusual that needs to be looked at.
Is this normal, common? It doesn't affect the running, but I want to make sure this is just a muscle that is underused and complaining rather than something unusual that needs to be looked at.
I ran my 3 miles late last night. I do not mind running at night after the kids are in bed, but last night I got to the gym to run at 9:20 and did not get home until 9:55. Even going to bed at 10:30 was tough. We are leaving out of town for the weekend, but we are now leaving Saturday morning instead of Friday afternoon. Now I just will swap out my Friday rest day with my Saturday long run and be able to enjoy the weekend without having a long run waiting for me when we get back Sunday afternoon.
These lower mile weeks are a nice break from the miles I was running to get ready for my half. I am tempted to run more than what is called for, but I know that these lower weeks will give me a nice break, and help delay the burnout that sometimes occurs with me. 18 weeks is a long training schedule, but I think the additional challenge of preparing for a marathon should keep motivation high through the race.
These lower mile weeks are a nice break from the miles I was running to get ready for my half. I am tempted to run more than what is called for, but I know that these lower weeks will give me a nice break, and help delay the burnout that sometimes occurs with me. 18 weeks is a long training schedule, but I think the additional challenge of preparing for a marathon should keep motivation high through the race.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere in the last 229 pages but...
What do you guys use while you run for tracking time, distance, heart rate, etc?
My Nike+ watch screen (and calibration) is starting to die on me and I'm thinking of looking around for something.
I'd like something that will track all this and can upload to my PC for keeping records, trends, analysis, etc.
What do you guys use and how do you like it?
If you were in the market for something like this now, what would you get?
What do you guys use while you run for tracking time, distance, heart rate, etc?
My Nike+ watch screen (and calibration) is starting to die on me and I'm thinking of looking around for something.
I'd like something that will track all this and can upload to my PC for keeping records, trends, analysis, etc.
What do you guys use and how do you like it?
If you were in the market for something like this now, what would you get?
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
My Garmin 305 is my best friend. Have had it for 18 months or so, love it still. Pace, distance, heart rate, lap pace, whatever you might want as feedback while you're running. Then come back and plug it into your computer and have a history of everything you've done. I know there is a next generation, the 405 which has a touch screen, synchs via bluetooth, and some other features. But you're also paying for next generation, and the 305 works great. (does anyone here have a 405, btw?).
DolphinsPhan
Footballguy
I have the Garmin Forerunner 305 and love it. has GPS and HR monitor. Historically Garmin = better GPS and Polar = better HR monitor. I find the HR monitor for the Garmin more than sufficient. I actually find it more comfortable and it stays in place better than the Polar. Polar has wireless capabilities and I don't think my Garmin does. I did hear that at the end of this year Polar is supposed to be coming out with a GPS version...not sure though.
DolphinsPhan
Footballguy
meeka said:
I was right there with you, but these training programs are setup for you to peak on race day. The other day my legs wanted to keep going even though I had run my required mileage for the training. I had to make myself stop. Don't be tempted.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Sand, from my amateur sleuthing, it could be:a) the tensor fascia latae muscle, which is at the top of the ITB. The issue here could be tied, actually, to your recent biking (pic and good detail about halfway down), orSand said:
b) the Iliac crest, which is up there as well.
Trying to envision what might be happening, if you're overreaching on your bike rotation, that could be straining one of those muscles at the top of the ITB, or it could be that they're overworked as you've gotten into the cross-training.
gruecd
Footballguy
Training schedule calls for SRD today, but I just had one on Tuesday, so I might do an easy 4 miles after work. Yesterday did 9 miles at 7:44 pace. My schedule calls for relatively light mileage these first couple of weeks, so I've been adding a couple of short runs here and there, and I'm taking advantage of the lighter volume by doing my longer runs on hillier, more challenging courses in the hope that it will help with strength.
Easy 4-miler tomorrow, 10K race on Saturday.
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Duck - Congrats on taking the plunge! And way to go with that tough, 18-mile trail run.
Keggers - Awesome improvement. I'm a big advocate of keeping a running log. Fall 50 is an awesome race. Tri-man, RoarinSonoran, and I did the relay last year with a couple of my friends. We had a great time. See you this weekend!
BNB - Accelerade is OK, but it's a little thick for me, too. I dunno, I still like Gatorade Endurance formula.
I take a glutamine supplement and drink chocolate milk post-workout for recovery.
tri-man - Nice workout. I can't even fathom swimming for that long. You're gonna kill it next weekend.
Wraith - Good run. I wouldn't worry too much about the soreness. Keep drinking plenty of water to flush the crap out of your system, and your legs will adjust.
Sand - Sounds like maybe a piriformis issue. I'd suggest Googling "piriformis stretch," and see if that helps.
meeka - It's definitely tough falling asleep after a late workout. But nice job sticking to the schedule and getting it done!
Lehigh - I'd suggest getting one of these. I've got the 205, but it doesn't have a HRM. The equivalent model with HRM is the 305. You can get the 205 on Walmart's website for $150 and the 305 for $210.
Easy 4-miler tomorrow, 10K race on Saturday.
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Duck - Congrats on taking the plunge! And way to go with that tough, 18-mile trail run.
Keggers - Awesome improvement. I'm a big advocate of keeping a running log. Fall 50 is an awesome race. Tri-man, RoarinSonoran, and I did the relay last year with a couple of my friends. We had a great time. See you this weekend!
BNB - Accelerade is OK, but it's a little thick for me, too. I dunno, I still like Gatorade Endurance formula.
I take a glutamine supplement and drink chocolate milk post-workout for recovery.tri-man - Nice workout. I can't even fathom swimming for that long. You're gonna kill it next weekend.
Wraith - Good run. I wouldn't worry too much about the soreness. Keep drinking plenty of water to flush the crap out of your system, and your legs will adjust.
Sand - Sounds like maybe a piriformis issue. I'd suggest Googling "piriformis stretch," and see if that helps.
meeka - It's definitely tough falling asleep after a late workout. But nice job sticking to the schedule and getting it done!
Lehigh - I'd suggest getting one of these. I've got the 205, but it doesn't have a HRM. The equivalent model with HRM is the 305. You can get the 205 on Walmart's website for $150 and the 305 for $210.
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gruecd
Footballguy
I think it depends upon the kind of mileage you were doing before starting the training plan. I'd been doing 40- to 45-mile weeks for the last couple of months prior to starting my Chicago training program on Monday. My program doesn't hit 45 MPW until Week 5, so I'm adding on. I like to think that I know what I'm doing.meeka said:
DolphinsPhan
Footballguy
No argument there. I'm pretty sure Meeka is following Hal's Novice 1 training program so I am guessing his weekly mileage wasn't that high (in comparison).I think it depends upon the kind of mileage you were doing before starting the training plan. I'd been doing 40- to 45-mile weeks for the last couple of months prior to starting my Chicago training program on Monday. My program doesn't hit 45 MPW until Week 5, so I'm adding on. I like to think that I know what I'm doing.meeka said:I was right there with you, but these training programs are setup for you to peak on race day. The other day my legs wanted to keep going even though I had run my required mileage for the training. I had to make myself stop. Don't be tempted.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Sounds unamimous. The 305 can be had on Amazon right now for $170.The 405's have mixed reviews and the 310 coming out in July looks good but all of those are over $300.
So looks likr the 305 may be the right choice if I was to buy right now...
Quick questions though:
- Since it uses the GPS to track distance and pace, how can you record a treadmill workout?
- The thing looks kind of big and clunky, any issue with the size and or weight of it?
- How do you personally use the data that you upload and store on your PC?
Thanks again!
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I have been running around 25 miles a week since the first week in March. So to drop down to 15 miles feels like a huge step back. I was looking for a bit of a step back anyway, and the added 60 minutes of cross training is a nice filler for my desire to run more. I like that I am getting into the habit of running 4 days a week with a 5th day of cross training. I think as the miles add up I will find myself in better shape with this program. I just got a call from my training buddy. He told me I would be on my own for the next 2 weeks. He was doing his 3 miles last night and is having a tough time walking now. Prior to our half on May 31st he was dealing with an IT band issue in his right knee. During the half he said that his left knee started to bother him over the last 4 miles. He has had pain in that knee since the 31st, but has been following the same training plan I have. He was mixing in walk breaks on all of his runs to try to keep things easy on his knee but I think things took a turn for the worse last night. His wife and I both suggested he go to a PT to have it check out. I could be running the Twin Cities solo, if that is possible with 12,000 people. I don't think it would matter too much to me either way. I can do it.No argument there. I'm pretty sure Meeka is following Hal's Novice 1 training program so I am guessing his weekly mileage wasn't that high (in comparison).I think it depends upon the kind of mileage you were doing before starting the training plan. I'd been doing 40- to 45-mile weeks for the last couple of months prior to starting my Chicago training program on Monday. My program doesn't hit 45 MPW until Week 5, so I'm adding on. I like to think that I know what I'm doing.meeka said:I was right there with you, but these training programs are setup for you to peak on race day. The other day my legs wanted to keep going even though I had run my required mileage for the training. I had to make myself stop. Don't be tempted.
DolphinsPhan
Footballguy
Never tried it on the treadmill. Not sure if the Garmin HR monitor is compatible with a lot of the treadmills.It is big, but it is not heavy at all. I was surprised at how light it was.
I usually look at my avg and max HR compared to my pace compared to mileage run. What's my HR for mile 1 vs mile 8 and was I going faster or slower and for which miles. Also tracks elevation so you can see if your HR goes up when running up hills. It tracks everything and charts everything you want it to. Very easy to use.
gruecd
Footballguy
Treadmill will tell you time and distance. I don't use the Garmin software (keep my own spreadsheet), but I'm guessing there's an option to manually enter treadmill workouts or other runs where you're not wearing the watch.No problems with size or weight. It's really not that big, and it's designed to kinda wrap around your wrist.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Sometimes I forget what we're talking about here and my mind takes it in the wrong direction ...
wraith5
Footballguy
I'm also on the 305 bandwagon. Great option for you. You can enter any workout manually, or if you want you can buy a foot pod that will track your "distance" on the treadmill. I think they run around $100 or so.
No problem whatsoever with the size of the Garmin. You won't even think about it - it's actually lighter than my normal watches I wear.
I upload all of my workouts, but where I fall down is doing much with the data. I think there are a couple of software packages you can use to manipulate the information and make it more "useable," but I haven't done that. I know you can create workouts and courses, but I haven't done that, either. Been thinking about taking everything and copying it over to an old Excel format I used to use, where I could see my running mileage total and compare similar runs pretty easily. If someone is really getting all of this out of the Training Center (or add-on software) I'd really like to hear about it.
wraith5
Footballguy
Awesome job taking the time to respond to everybody, gruecd!!
I definitely need to drink more water after runs and hopefully the Accelerade will help, too. (Although you folks have me a little nervous about the viscosity!!)Unfortunately, I've officially tweaked my left hammy. Went out for lunch and it barked at me pretty good when I was walking. I noticed in the car when I push my heel down I feel it right dead-center in my muscle. Hoping 48 hrs of rest will help. Any suggestions are welcome - I am planning on doing 13 this weekend and no way I want to back down from that mileage unless I can't walk.
Sand
Footballguy
Thanks tri-man, but looking at the diagrams I think Grue nailed it here. I think I have aggravated that muscle, most likely from ramping up its usage. I will try the stretches to alleviate things (and they really aren't that bad right now, anyway). It was just in an unusual spot that I wasn't familiar with.I tried to get help from my wife, but my pleas of "hey honey, my ### hurts, could you have a look at it?" really didn't go over that great (maybe it was my tone?).
My body complained much more after the first couple weeks of swimming - my lats screamed at me. I quickly remembered that back muscles are the main muscles used in swimming.
Sand
Footballguy
There really aren't any good ones for hamstrings. Rest. Walk without tweaking it more (impossible sometimes). Rest. Light massage and mild heat may help, but in my experience (extensive) resting it is what is needed.
gruecd
Footballguy
Also try putting a tennis ball under your butt cheek and rolling around on it until you find the spot that hurts. Then roll back and forth on the ball to massage the sore spot. (Get your mind out of the gutter, tri-man!)
I'm just sitting here, bored at work, and I'm thinking...."Man I love race weekend!" The anticipation, the preparation, everything about it is fun! The clouds finally broke and the sun is shining. Weather should be perfect for tomorrow's race. The girlfriend, who lives two hours away, is coming up. It's going to be a great weekend.
Good luck to everyone who has race this weekend...give em hell!
Good luck to everyone who has race this weekend...give em hell!
gruecd
Footballguy
Damn it, Keggers, don't you know anything? Sunshine is not good for raceday!Besides that, I agree with everything you said!
True, but temps at 8:00am are forecasted to be between 58-62 degrees with little/no wind. I don't care if the sun is shining or not...that's a good forecast. Even if it does get too warm, it's not a 1/2 or full marathon so we won't be out there too long. I guess I'm just in good spirits after a long week of rain.....Damn it, Keggers, don't you know anything? Sunshine is not good for raceday!Besides that, I agree with everything you said!
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
I've gotten my first look at a forecast for next weekend and my big race ...temps hitting the mid/high 80's. Nothing like four hours of warm-up before starting a half-marathon at 80 degrees. 
Bellin Boys - hope y'all rock this weekend!!!
Bellin Boys - hope y'all rock this weekend!!!
gruecd
Footballguy
Actually just checked the hour-by-hour forecast. Calling for 57 degrees, overcast with 30% chance of showers. Not bad at all.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
Sitting here is Las Vegas airport awaitng a flight that will cause me to miss the entire Wings game 7 . Spent 2+ quick days out here not exactly resting for Sunday's triathlon, although I was much more grown up than I typically am out here. Unfortunately, sitting through a 2-day conference (and flying) has not been the best thing for my body either and am sore everywhere and a couple of hard weeks of training. Maybe this will equate to good taper-like rest.
Catching up on things, good luck to tomorrow's racers. 50s and overcast this time of year sounds perfect.
Sand, I injured myself in a similar manner (playing adult kickball
) and it bugs me now & then. My chiro showed be a strectch where you lay on your back and cross one leg over the other with the down leg bent up and rest the ankle of the crossed leg above the other knee. Them pull back on the down leg above the hammy at the knee. This will strech the area in the butt of the crossed leg. I do this post run, ride, etc and it seems to keep me from being as sore there now & then.
#### I hate sitting in airports & GO WINGS.
. Spent 2+ quick days out here not exactly resting for Sunday's triathlon, although I was much more grown up than I typically am out here. Unfortunately, sitting through a 2-day conference (and flying) has not been the best thing for my body either and am sore everywhere and a couple of hard weeks of training. Maybe this will equate to good taper-like rest.Catching up on things, good luck to tomorrow's racers. 50s and overcast this time of year sounds perfect.
Sand, I injured myself in a similar manner (playing adult kickball
) and it bugs me now & then. My chiro showed be a strectch where you lay on your back and cross one leg over the other with the down leg bent up and rest the ankle of the crossed leg above the other knee. Them pull back on the down leg above the hammy at the knee. This will strech the area in the butt of the crossed leg. I do this post run, ride, etc and it seems to keep me from being as sore there now & then.#### I hate sitting in airports & GO WINGS.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Keggers, gruecd, 2Young, and anyone else who's racing this weekend - go get it!
I'll be getting up early tomorrow to get in my first 20 miler as part of this marathon training cycle. Planning on keeping it mostly flat, as with a 25K trail race next weekend don't want to trash my legs anymore than necessary. With all of the beautiful trails around here, what we're missing is a nice, flat, running trail (like Pre's Trail in Eugene). So I'll end up spending more time on pavement that I'd like tomorrow, but it's either that or hills.
I'll be getting up early tomorrow to get in my first 20 miler as part of this marathon training cycle. Planning on keeping it mostly flat, as with a 25K trail race next weekend don't want to trash my legs anymore than necessary. With all of the beautiful trails around here, what we're missing is a nice, flat, running trail (like Pre's Trail in Eugene). So I'll end up spending more time on pavement that I'd like tomorrow, but it's either that or hills.
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