If you have the time I would not mind hearing what your routine is.Man, you gotta lotta contacts! Good tradin'!Nigel, I hear what you're saying. After Sunday's race, I'll enter a long stretch of general fitness and base training. That's OK, but it's a different feeling.8 miles on Tuesday, rest day yesterday, 8 miles this morning, and.....swim lesson tonight. A friend of my mine swam D-1 collegiately, and she coaches the local H.S. team. Giving me weekly swim lessons in exchange for helping her train for her first marathon next spring.
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Hey, Darrin, how are you healing up??
I'm probably not the best person to ask but will give you these nuggets...Fluid trainers are better than magnetic.I see that there are a bunch on sale at Performance Bike. Any of these any good??an eye on Nashbar. They'll usually run sales in the late fall. Personally I don't have one, but I have access to a computrainer studio. Regardless, you couldn't get me to ride one of those thing.
100 runs in 100 days with 1-2 days of biking thrown in. Miles and miles in the low hr zones to train your body to become efficient at using fat as fuel.If you have the time I would not mind hearing what your routine is.Man, you gotta lotta contacts! Good tradin'!Nigel, I hear what you're saying. After Sunday's race, I'll enter a long stretch of general fitness and base training. That's OK, but it's a different feeling.8 miles on Tuesday, rest day yesterday, 8 miles this morning, and.....swim lesson tonight. A friend of my mine swam D-1 collegiately, and she coaches the local H.S. team. Giving me weekly swim lessons in exchange for helping her train for her first marathon next spring.
Barter system at its best!
Hey, Darrin, how are you healing up??
BassNBrew said:I'm probably not the best person to ask but will give you these nuggets...Fluid trainers are better than magnetic.gruecd said:I see that there are a bunch on sale at Performance Bike. Any of these any good??BassNBrew said:an eye on Nashbar. They'll usually run sales in the late fall. Personally I don't have one, but I have access to a computrainer studio. Regardless, you couldn't get me to ride one of those thing.
Performance (and Nashbar) frequestly runs 20% off everything including sale items. They have killer deals on Thanksgiving.
You'll need to get a second cheapie wheel and beefy tire to dedicate to the trainer. Trainers chew up tires.
You'll want a riser for the front wheel.
You'll want a mat to catch your sweat and a cheap fan to keep you cool.
How about this one?BassNBrew said:I'm probably not the best person to ask but will give you these nuggets...Fluid trainers are better than magnetic.gruecd said:I see that there are a bunch on sale at Performance Bike. Any of these any good??BassNBrew said:an eye on Nashbar. They'll usually run sales in the late fall. Personally I don't have one, but I have access to a computrainer studio. Regardless, you couldn't get me to ride one of those thing.
Performance (and Nashbar) frequestly runs 20% off everything including sale items. They have killer deals on Thanksgiving.
You'll need to get a second cheapie wheel and beefy tire to dedicate to the trainer. Trainers chew up tires.
You'll want a riser for the front wheel.
You'll want a mat to catch your sweat and a cheap fan to keep you cool.
Not a bad choice at all.This one has a great reputation and you can use the 20% off deal. http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053...16#ReviewHeaderHow about this one?BassNBrew said:I'm probably not the best person to ask but will give you these nuggets...Fluid trainers are better than magnetic.gruecd said:I see that there are a bunch on sale at Performance Bike. Any of these any good??BassNBrew said:an eye on Nashbar. They'll usually run sales in the late fall. Personally I don't have one, but I have access to a computrainer studio. Regardless, you couldn't get me to ride one of those thing.
Performance (and Nashbar) frequestly runs 20% off everything including sale items. They have killer deals on Thanksgiving.
You'll need to get a second cheapie wheel and beefy tire to dedicate to the trainer. Trainers chew up tires.
You'll want a riser for the front wheel.
You'll want a mat to catch your sweat and a cheap fan to keep you cool.
I don't know what I ate that drove my stomach crazy, but it sucked. I've become accustomed to my legs taking a bit to wake up on Saturdays (why I don't know), but today was especially long. I don't think I started to really settle in until after 3 miles. I without a doubt felt stronger at the end of 5 than I did at the start.
Shouldn't you be in some kind of post marathon recovery mode? I had to read your post three time before I realized you did 22+ miles as I expected a heck of a lot less than this! Nice work!!!I am struggling to find the motivation to do much of anything. I traveled all week for work, but still got a few workouts in. These included a hotel workout room brick between the crappy bike and the equally crappy treadmill. Spent most of the morning and early afternoon today watching district cross country races. Came home and fell asleep on the couch. My folks called asking for help moving a few things around their house. I put on running gear and had my wife drive me over there, so the only way I could get home was to run.Quiet Day in here today!!Well, I decided to get out early and do a long trail run today. Legs had been a little tired, but took yesterday off to rest up. Also got my new HR monitor from Amazon so I can start tracking that again (woo-hoo). Tried to stick to 9:20s for the entire run. The trail is just under 5.5 miles around and it was just under 60 degrees and completely overcast: 5.46 miles, 9:20s, 161bpm3 minute emergency bathroom stop (tobasco on pizza the night before a run is a terrible idea - someday I'll learn)5.46 miles, 9:15s, 164bpm5.44 miles, 9:17s, 170bpm (it started drizzling rain about 1/2 way through the lap) 5.71 miles, 9:40s, 174bpm Total - 22.10 miles, 3:30:13, 9:31/mile (9:23 without the damned stop)
33 mile ride - 225 avg. watts.And a 2000yd swim. Manged a number of 200 yd sets in 2:40 or less. Quit after I started getting quad cramps.Good day. Tomorrow running 10k to see how the calf reacts. Wanted to today, but thought better of it after the hard workouts.Quiet Day in here today!!
Well, yeah, I probably should still be in recovery mode. But I'm very unhappy with how I melted in the heat at Chicago and I wanted to prove to myself that I can keep running that distance (I don't think in any of my marathons - six of them - that I didn't walk before mile 22). Even going relatively slowly, I was surprised at how much my hammys hurt at the end (my shoulders were starting to really hurt too, actually). Part of that was the course, as according to the Garmin I did about 4400 ft. of climbing/decending, about 33% more than my 20 mile road course. But it was good to really experience that discomfort, and still be able to keep running at a sub-10 pace.2Young2BBald said:Shouldn't you be in some kind of post marathon recovery mode? I had to read your post three time before I realized you did 22+ miles as I expected a heck of a lot less than this! Nice work!!!wraith5 said:Quiet Day in here today!!
Well, I decided to get out early and do a long trail run today. Legs had been a little tired, but took yesterday off to rest up. Also got my new HR monitor from Amazon so I can start tracking that again (woo-hoo). Tried to stick to 9:20s for the entire run. The trail is just under 5.5 miles around and it was just under 60 degrees and completely overcast:
5.46 miles, 9:20s, 161bpm
3 minute emergency bathroom stop (tobasco on pizza the night before a run is a terrible idea - someday I'll learn)
5.46 miles, 9:15s, 164bpm
5.44 miles, 9:17s, 170bpm (it started drizzling rain about 1/2 way through the lap)
5.71 miles, 9:40s, 174bpm
Total - 22.10 miles, 3:30:13, 9:31/mile (9:23 without the damned stop)
You've had a very busy summer. It's OK to take a little time to recharge the batteries.2Young2BBald said:I am struggling to find the motivation to do much of anything.
Gonna try a long one today. I may try to figure out how to do it with low heart rates. If I cant figure that out I will set my Garmin for a 9:30 to 10:30 pace with the hopes of 10:00 avg pace. The longest I have gone in the past is just under 8 miles. I am thinking of aiming for 10 today. It has been cooler here and I am thinking 70s when I get out there.BassNBrew said:100 runs in 100 days with 1-2 days of biking thrown in. Miles and miles in the low hr zones to train your body to become efficient at using fat as fuel.prosopis said:If you have the time I would not mind hearing what your routine is.Man, you gotta lotta contacts! Good tradin'!Nigel, I hear what you're saying. After Sunday's race, I'll enter a long stretch of general fitness and base training. That's OK, but it's a different feeling.8 miles on Tuesday, rest day yesterday, 8 miles this morning, and.....swim lesson tonight. A friend of my mine swam D-1 collegiately, and she coaches the local H.S. team. Giving me weekly swim lessons in exchange for helping her train for her first marathon next spring.
Barter system at its best!
Hey, Darrin, how are you healing up??
How'bout trying a Gallo-Walk? This may be a way for you to cover a greater distance, while keeping the heart rate lower. I'd try something like 7/2 (run/walk) or 5/1. Try a couple different combos to see what you like. I'd bet you could work up to a 1/2 marathon with a run/walk approach, faster than you could by straight running.Gonna try a long one today. I may try to figure out how to do it with low heart rates. If I cant figure that out I will set my Garmin for a 9:30 to 10:30 pace with the hopes of 10:00 avg pace. The longest I have gone in the past is just under 8 miles. I am thinking of aiming for 10 today. It has been cooler here and I am thinking 70s when I get out there.BassNBrew said:100 runs in 100 days with 1-2 days of biking thrown in. Miles and miles in the low hr zones to train your body to become efficient at using fat as fuel.prosopis said:If you have the time I would not mind hearing what your routine is.Man, you gotta lotta contacts! Good tradin'!Nigel, I hear what you're saying. After Sunday's race, I'll enter a long stretch of general fitness and base training. That's OK, but it's a different feeling.8 miles on Tuesday, rest day yesterday, 8 miles this morning, and.....swim lesson tonight. A friend of my mine swam D-1 collegiately, and she coaches the local H.S. team. Giving me weekly swim lessons in exchange for helping her train for her first marathon next spring.
Barter system at its best!
Hey, Darrin, how are you healing up??
Great, steady effort, tri-man! Awesome race!!Race Report:
5K in 21:20 (6:52/mile) ...2nd in my age group.
The 8:00 a.m. race was 1 1/2 miles from my house, so pre-race logistics weren't an issue. Had pasta dinners on Friday and Saturday, and did a few easy miles on Saturday morning with accelerations to stay loose. This morning, jogged over to the race site as my warm-up. Weather was great - temp in the 50's.
I haven't been doing much racing at this distance over the past few years. Probably the last two 5Ks I've done have actually been in northern New York and Virginia Beach. As I've mentioned, in recent training I've done mile repeats at around 6:55, so a goal was to try to string a few of those together. It worked out perfectly! I was a few seconds ahead of that pace throughout the race. It was a tough effort throughout, but I just kept pushing it along at the edge of serious discomfort.
As a 5K age-group strategy, I start looking for fellow gray-haired guys with a half-mile to go. The coast was looking clear, but then a guy came up along side me and looked like age-group competition. So I pushed a bit harder and stayed right with him for a quarter-mile. We then turned to head to the finish. He had the inside edge on the turn, with another guy between us, so I had to swing it a bit wide. But it was a moot point. I ran hard with a really nice stride (balls of the feet) over the last quarter-mile, but he just pulled away and beat me by ten seconds. We talked later - he's a miler/5K guy, and his kick has always been his strength. Nevertheless, that'll gnaw at me until next year. Still, my pacing was very steady, and my overall time was better than I expected. So I'm pleased!
AWESOMENESS!!!!!Race Report:
5K in 21:20 (6:52/mile) ...2nd in my age group.
The 8:00 a.m. race was 1 1/2 miles from my house, so pre-race logistics weren't an issue. Had pasta dinners on Friday and Saturday, and did a few easy miles on Saturday morning with accelerations to stay loose. This morning, jogged over to the race site as my warm-up. Weather was great - temp in the 50's.
I haven't been doing much racing at this distance over the past few years. Probably the last two 5Ks I've done have actually been in northern New York and Virginia Beach. As I've mentioned, in recent training I've done mile repeats at around 6:55, so a goal was to try to string a few of those together. It worked out perfectly! I was a few seconds ahead of that pace throughout the race. It was a tough effort throughout, but I just kept pushing it along at the edge of serious discomfort.
As a 5K age-group strategy, I start looking for fellow gray-haired guys with a half-mile to go. The coast was looking clear, but then a guy came up along side me and looked like age-group competition. So I pushed a bit harder and stayed right with him for a quarter-mile. We then turned to head to the finish. He had the inside edge on the turn, with another guy between us, so I had to swing it a bit wide. But it was a moot point. I ran hard with a really nice stride (balls of the feet) over the last quarter-mile, but he just pulled away and beat me by ten seconds. We talked later - he's a miler/5K guy, and his kick has always been his strength. Nevertheless, that'll gnaw at me until next year. Still, my pacing was very steady, and my overall time was better than I expected. So I'm pleased!
NiceRace Report:
5K in 21:20 (6:52/mile) ...2nd in my age group.
The 8:00 a.m. race was 1 1/2 miles from my house, so pre-race logistics weren't an issue. Had pasta dinners on Friday and Saturday, and did a few easy miles on Saturday morning with accelerations to stay loose. This morning, jogged over to the race site as my warm-up. Weather was great - temp in the 50's.
I haven't been doing much racing at this distance over the past few years. Probably the last two 5Ks I've done have actually been in northern New York and Virginia Beach. As I've mentioned, in recent training I've done mile repeats at around 6:55, so a goal was to try to string a few of those together. It worked out perfectly! I was a few seconds ahead of that pace throughout the race. It was a tough effort throughout, but I just kept pushing it along at the edge of serious discomfort.
As a 5K age-group strategy, I start looking for fellow gray-haired guys with a half-mile to go. The coast was looking clear, but then a guy came up along side me and looked like age-group competition. So I pushed a bit harder and stayed right with him for a quarter-mile. We then turned to head to the finish. He had the inside edge on the turn, with another guy between us, so I had to swing it a bit wide. But it was a moot point. I ran hard with a really nice stride (balls of the feet) over the last quarter-mile, but he just pulled away and beat me by ten seconds. We talked later - he's a miler/5K guy, and his kick has always been his strength. Nevertheless, that'll gnaw at me until next year. Still, my pacing was very steady, and my overall time was better than I expected. So I'm pleased!
prosopis! Love those distance PR's. They're just as confidence boosting as the time PR's IMO.
I just kept'er steady and made my single focus on staying comfortable. I decided to carry a small 12oz gatorade and a Gu with me and took that after 5 miles (I'll definitely be walking thru any of the water stations). At the end I was really struggling mentally to stay focused on staying comfortable as I was starting to get really excited about getting the run finished.
Damn that is nice.Great stuff tri-man! I had to chuckle a bit at your blue-hair strategy.![]()
prosopis! Love those distance PR's. They're just as confidence boosting as the time PR's IMO._____________________________________________________-Today was my first ever double digit run and I can't be any happier. I feel like I had a breakthrough of some sort today... To date I've focused on keeping the long Sunday runs at a 10-10:30 pace. Just staying really comfortable and with a focus on just getting the mileage in. Today I was solo and really struggled with mapping out a run (how you marathoners map these 20+ runs is beyond me). I did a mix of trails/roads today and had a great time. I set out on trails first and didn't check the garmin for a while. Just went out and tried to get comfortable. Before I knew it, I was 3 miles in and at a 9:40ish pace.
I just kept'er steady and made my single focus on staying comfortable. I decided to carry a small 12oz gatorade and a Gu with me and took that after 5 miles (I'll definitely be walking thru any of the water stations). At the end I was really struggling mentally to stay focused on staying comfortable as I was starting to get really excited about getting the run finished. In the end I was much faster than I had anticipated, but it was at that conversational effort...
1-9:362-9:453-10:07 (traffic stop)4-9:495-9:15 (no clue wtf I did, but it was the start to something big for me)6-9:49 (~30sec gatorade/gu break)7-9:248-9:149-9:1410-9:06
Good job on the run Ned! Next time I suggest you focus on staying comfortable...Today was my first ever double digit run and I can't be any happier. I feel like I had a breakthrough of some sort today... To date I've focused on keeping the long Sunday runs at a 10-10:30 pace. Just staying really 1. comfortable and with a focus on just getting the mileage in.
Today I was solo and really struggled with mapping out a run (how you marathoners map these 20+ runs is beyond me). I did a mix of trails/roads today and had a great time. I set out on trails first and didn't check the garmin for a while. Just went out and tried to get 2. comfortable. Before I knew it, I was 3 miles in and at a 9:40ish pace.I just kept'er steady and made my single focus on staying 3. comfortable. I decided to carry a small 12oz gatorade and a Gu with me and took that after 5 miles (I'll definitely be walking thru any of the water stations). At the end I was really struggling mentally to stay focused on staying 4. comfortable as I was starting to get really excited about getting the run finished.
In the end I was much faster than I had anticipated, but it was at that conversational effort...![]()
Achilles still feels OK. I'm pretty pleased.

Yeah, for these last few tapered long runs, I've been pushing to run at or near marathon pace. The next two weeks, I'm really throttling back though to prevent injury.Workhorse - way to battle through. 16 miles at 8:23 pace seems a little fast for a long run to me, when I look at your marathon time. Was that run supposed to be at your Goal Marathon Pace?
See, that would've been awesome.I thought that "Whiskey D-i-c-k-s" would be deemed inappropriate and thought about it for our team name, but somebody used it this year.
Nothing too exciting for me to post. As I inferred a few days ago, I'm contemplating running another marathon in a few weeks to take another shot at sub-3 in better (cooler) weather, but I'm not going to commit until I know whether or not my body is right. Logged 37 miles this past week, and I'm feeling just "meh." I've got 53 on the schedule for this week, including 12-, 9-, and 16-mile runs, so I should have a pretty good idea by next weekend whether or not the rematch is gonna happen.
Not too bad yet. I mentioned earlier that about 10 days ago, I had a morning where I felt like, "OMG, I am so done with this training, I just want it to be over." I was just tired of all the constant effort and physical fatigue, plus it was now pitch black from the start to finish of all my runs, and I was ready for a break. So, from that point of view, the taper has been nice. I haven't felt that need to run extra miles or bust out one last super-fast run. And I can tell my legs are really freshening up - I'm not sore walking down the stairs in the morning. So, from the physical side, the taper has been good.Mentally ... it's going to be a long week. I bought my race morning throwaway sweats this weekend and have compiled a comprehensive checklist of everything I'm taking down to DC with me on Saturday. I've finalized a mile-by-mile pace wristband that takes into account topography, water stops, etc. that will get me to a BQ if I'm feeling good enough to go for it (basically, a 7:43 pace for the first 16 - including a couple of 8:15 miles up the hill at the very start - then a 7:34 for the last 10 if I want to go for it). I've figured out where and what time I want my dad to drop me off on race morning. I've bookmarked three different weather sites, and check them constantly, despite the fact they all have the same info and only update a couple of times a day.The_Man - Taper madness driving you crazy yet??![]()
Sounds about right to me! Very excited for you - can't wait for your race day!Not too bad yet. I mentioned earlier that about 10 days ago, I had a morning where I felt like, "OMG, I am so done with this training, I just want it to be over." I was just tired of all the constant effort and physical fatigue, plus it was now pitch black from the start to finish of all my runs, and I was ready for a break. So, from that point of view, the taper has been nice. I haven't felt that need to run extra miles or bust out one last super-fast run. And I can tell my legs are really freshening up - I'm not sore walking down the stairs in the morning. So, from the physical side, the taper has been good.Mentally ... it's going to be a long week. I bought my race morning throwaway sweats this weekend and have compiled a comprehensive checklist of everything I'm taking down to DC with me on Saturday. I've finalized a mile-by-mile pace wristband that takes into account topography, water stops, etc. that will get me to a BQ if I'm feeling good enough to go for it (basically, a 7:43 pace for the first 16 - including a couple of 8:15 miles up the hill at the very start - then a 7:34 for the last 10 if I want to go for it). I've figured out where and what time I want my dad to drop me off on race morning. I've bookmarked three different weather sites, and check them constantly, despite the fact they all have the same info and only update a couple of times a day.The_Man - Taper madness driving you crazy yet??![]()
So, like I said, nothing too unusual, right?
I had the wrong link first.Thanks, GB! And congrats on starting page 420. If only I could think of an appropriate way to mark the occasion...Sounds about right to me! Very excited for you - can't wait for your race day!Not too bad yet. I mentioned earlier that about 10 days ago, I had a morning where I felt like, "OMG, I am so done with this training, I just want it to be over." I was just tired of all the constant effort and physical fatigue, plus it was now pitch black from the start to finish of all my runs, and I was ready for a break. So, from that point of view, the taper has been nice. I haven't felt that need to run extra miles or bust out one last super-fast run. And I can tell my legs are really freshening up - I'm not sore walking down the stairs in the morning. So, from the physical side, the taper has been good.Mentally ... it's going to be a long week. I bought my race morning throwaway sweats this weekend and have compiled a comprehensive checklist of everything I'm taking down to DC with me on Saturday. I've finalized a mile-by-mile pace wristband that takes into account topography, water stops, etc. that will get me to a BQ if I'm feeling good enough to go for it (basically, a 7:43 pace for the first 16 - including a couple of 8:15 miles up the hill at the very start - then a 7:34 for the last 10 if I want to go for it). I've figured out where and what time I want my dad to drop me off on race morning. I've bookmarked three different weather sites, and check them constantly, despite the fact they all have the same info and only update a couple of times a day.The_Man - Taper madness driving you crazy yet??![]()
So, like I said, nothing too unusual, right?
Thanks, GB! And congrats on starting page 420. If only I could think of an appropriate way to mark the occasion...Sounds about right to me! Very excited for you - can't wait for your race day!Not too bad yet. I mentioned earlier that about 10 days ago, I had a morning where I felt like, "OMG, I am so done with this training, I just want it to be over." I was just tired of all the constant effort and physical fatigue, plus it was now pitch black from the start to finish of all my runs, and I was ready for a break. So, from that point of view, the taper has been nice. I haven't felt that need to run extra miles or bust out one last super-fast run. And I can tell my legs are really freshening up - I'm not sore walking down the stairs in the morning. So, from the physical side, the taper has been good.Mentally ... it's going to be a long week. I bought my race morning throwaway sweats this weekend and have compiled a comprehensive checklist of everything I'm taking down to DC with me on Saturday. I've finalized a mile-by-mile pace wristband that takes into account topography, water stops, etc. that will get me to a BQ if I'm feeling good enough to go for it (basically, a 7:43 pace for the first 16 - including a couple of 8:15 miles up the hill at the very start - then a 7:34 for the last 10 if I want to go for it). I've figured out where and what time I want my dad to drop me off on race morning. I've bookmarked three different weather sites, and check them constantly, despite the fact they all have the same info and only update a couple of times a day.The_Man - Taper madness driving you crazy yet??![]()
So, like I said, nothing too unusual, right?
Hopefully they don't have pre-race testing this weekend.Speaking of customized pace bands for Marine Corps, you might want to pony up the $5.75 and check out this one, too. I've used his Boston pace band, and it's positivelyI've finalized a mile-by-mile pace wristband that takes into account topography, water stops, etc. that will get me to a BQ if I'm feeling good enough to go for it
. If nothing else, you can compare his recommended splits to your own; I can't imagine that you'd regret spending the money.I had to Google "420." I had no idea what that meant. It's been a while.And congrats on starting page 420. If only I could think of an appropriate way to mark the occasion...

Here's another helpful hint: in rap songs, the number "187" is a reference to the police code for a homicide. HTH.I had to Google "420." I had no idea what that meant. It's been a while.And congrats on starting page 420. If only I could think of an appropriate way to mark the occasion...![]()
Thanks for the tip - already did it.Speaking of customized pace bands for Marine Corps, you might want to pony up the $5.75 and check out this one, too. I've used his Boston pace band, and it's positivelyI've finalized a mile-by-mile pace wristband that takes into account topography, water stops, etc. that will get me to a BQ if I'm feeling good enough to go for it. If nothing else, you can compare his recommended splits to your own; I can't imagine that you'd regret spending the money.
I suddenly don't feel as bad about liking the All of Your Bourbon Are Belong to Us team name that you were crapping on.I had to Google "420." I had no idea what that meant. It's been a while.And congrats on starting page 420. If only I could think of an appropriate way to mark the occasion...![]()