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Also I am switching shoes this week. I ordered some Brooks Glycerins. Anyone run in these. They felt great in the store and I saw a good deal on some 8's on Eastbay for only $70.One more thing. Let's talk socks. I need some good non-cotton recommendations. I just found out a week or so ago that my Nike Dri-Fits have cotton in them and are probably causing some of my blisters on my feet. I know that cotton is bad, but never really looked at what the make up of my socks were. Only when you assume right! I really don't want a thick sock to run in, but there are so many out there, I am having a hard time deciding.
Have a friend who runs in the Glycerins and loves them.Socks...for shorter runs and not in the dead heat I like the gold toe performance socks they have at D!cks (though, they may also have a small amount of cotton to them).For longer runs and any run in the heat, I run in Balega Hidden Comfort (on recommendation from grue and others here) and also have liked the Thorlo Xperia. Amazing that even in the heat of the Tennessee summer I would take my shoes off and these socks would be almost completely dry feeling.And congrats on the upcoming little one.
 
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Also I am switching shoes this week. I ordered some Brooks Glycerins. Anyone run in these. They felt great in the store and I saw a good deal on some 8's on Eastbay for only $70.One more thing. Let's talk socks. I need some good non-cotton recommendations. I just found out a week or so ago that my Nike Dri-Fits have cotton in them and are probably causing some of my blisters on my feet. I know that cotton is bad, but never really looked at what the make up of my socks were. Only when you assume right! I really don't want a thick sock to run in, but there are so many out there, I am having a hard time deciding.
Just bought a pair of the Glycerin 9s (moving up from the 8s). This is my 4th pair of Glycerins in a row and I have been very pleased. They are out of the box comfortable and the last 3 have needed zero breaking in. I'd be a little careful with an eBay purchase. I have had to buy a 1/2 size larger than my normal shoe size. If you haven't seen the 9s, you may want to drop by your LRS and take a look.As for socks, I was a big fan of the double walled, synthetic Wright Socks. However, I've switched back to single walled and am partial to them now. Wigwam makes a very good running sock IMO.
 
Dexter, Ned, and Sho Nuff - way to get back out there. It's just so tempting to let it all slip away, but don't do it! I basically just spent the last 4 months getting back to where I was a year ago, following a good 3-4 months of sloth.

That being said, like PMB, I am also all about it right now. I can't wait to build off my current fitness level to see how much faster I can get. Today was my first post-marathon run -- 4 very easy recovery miles. My right Achilles is still a little tender, but otherwise it actually felt better to run than to not run -- like I was stretching out my sore muscles and getting the blood moving again. My plan is to do 4 again on Friday, then 5 on Sunday - I'm following the Pfitz recovery plan, even if I didn't follow the training plan. Last year, I ran a 5k Turkey Trot 25 days after a Marathon with a 6:25 pace -- this year I'm doing a Christmas 5-miler 21 days post-Marathon. Right now I'm hoping to run it at a 6:30 pace, though I'm ready to back off at any time if I'm still feeling too beat up by then.

PMB - Congrats on the new baby! So amazing, and at what a fun time of year. What's the ETA? We might need to pitch in to get a Bourbon Chase onesie for him/her.
Wife is 34 weeks, but baby is measuring at 38 weeks. It is going to be a big one and possibly a C-Section this time. I am thinking in about 3 weeks or so. Probably right around Christmas. Save your money on a shirt and just send me Bourbon. ;)
Congrats!! Is this your first (you sound experienced so I'm assuming it isn't).
 
Awesome to see Dexter, The_Man, ShoNuff and Ned back at it. This time of year is especially trying with the extra food, extra drink, extra responsibilities and changes in the weather. I always look at November through Super Bowl as maintenance time. I weighed in this morning, and it wasn't as bad as I though it would be. If I can stay right here weight-wise through February 5th I'll be pretty darn happy. Since I'm certain I won't be able to resist Christmas cookies and extra boozing, I'll have to maintain a solid diet of cardio = easier to say yes to cardio for me, then to say know to indulgence in food, beverage and mini-van mommies.

PmB: Regarding socks. I still swear by compression socks for both during and post run. You also get the added benefit of looking Uber-Awesome while gliding along on them. Also, what Bourbon do yo prefer, and where do I send it?!! Congrats to you and Mrs. PmB!

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My update:

I got in a really nice 20.4 mile ride late yesterday at 20.5 MPH. Lots of wind, and cold, but it it felt really good. I also got a new pair of shoes = Nike Free 2 ID (check out the personalization)! Since I will be doing little to know running in them it was nice to just choose a pair for how they'd look while I'm Creeping on the elliptical. FWIW: they are incredibly light and comfortable, and customized to be Badger colors.

 
One more thing. Let's talk socks. I need some good non-cotton recommendations. I just found out a week or so ago that my Nike Dri-Fits have cotton in them and are probably causing some of my blisters on my feet. I know that cotton is bad, but never really looked at what the make up of my socks were. Only when you assume right! I really don't want a thick sock to run in, but there are so many out there, I am having a hard time deciding.
Balega Hidden Comfort = :moneybag:
 
One more thing. Let's talk socks. I need some good non-cotton recommendations. I just found out a week or so ago that my Nike Dri-Fits have cotton in them and are probably causing some of my blisters on my feet. I know that cotton is bad, but never really looked at what the make up of my socks were. Only when you assume right! I really don't want a thick sock to run in, but there are so many out there, I am having a hard time deciding.
Balega Hidden Comfort = :moneybag:
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Dexter, Ned, and Sho Nuff - way to get back out there. It's just so tempting to let it all slip away, but don't do it! I basically just spent the last 4 months getting back to where I was a year ago, following a good 3-4 months of sloth.

That being said, like PMB, I am also all about it right now. I can't wait to build off my current fitness level to see how much faster I can get. Today was my first post-marathon run -- 4 very easy recovery miles. My right Achilles is still a little tender, but otherwise it actually felt better to run than to not run -- like I was stretching out my sore muscles and getting the blood moving again. My plan is to do 4 again on Friday, then 5 on Sunday - I'm following the Pfitz recovery plan, even if I didn't follow the training plan. Last year, I ran a 5k Turkey Trot 25 days after a Marathon with a 6:25 pace -- this year I'm doing a Christmas 5-miler 21 days post-Marathon. Right now I'm hoping to run it at a 6:30 pace, though I'm ready to back off at any time if I'm still feeling too beat up by then.

PMB - Congrats on the new baby! So amazing, and at what a fun time of year. What's the ETA? We might need to pitch in to get a Bourbon Chase onesie for him/her.
Wife is 34 weeks, but baby is measuring at 38 weeks. It is going to be a big one and possibly a C-Section this time. I am thinking in about 3 weeks or so. Probably right around Christmas. Save your money on a shirt and just send me Bourbon. ;)
Congrats!! Is this your first (you sound experienced so I'm assuming it isn't).
Ned - This will be our third. 2 boys so far. What I took out of that post was that if it is a 3rd boy, it will be the death of me. My wife wants a girl very bad, but I am leaning on being done after this one no matter what.Thanks for the heads up on the socks. I will definitely have to check out the Balega. Looks like I may need to open the wallet some as those are not cheap, but you usually get what you pay for regarding gear so I am ok with it.

 
Thanks for the heads up on the socks. I will definitely have to check out the Balega. Looks like I may need to open the wallet some as those are not cheap, but you usually get what you pay for regarding gear so I am ok with it.
If you buy them at Running Warehouse, you can use the coupon code ATRA at checkout to get 10% off.
 
'Dexter said:
I feel myself falling back into my bad habits. All the work I put in this past year will be thrown away in the next 3 months unless I stop it. Next week we begin another biggest loser contest at work. I win most of these and I think I'm going to put in the work to win this one too.I'm setting up the bike in the basement and going to hit Fraser bike on the weekends and run 3 days a week. #### being fat!!!
Dexter - stay focused! Make it a plan to crush Turkish Harem in all the races next summer ...
 
Thanks for the heads up on the socks. I will definitely have to check out the Balega. Looks like I may need to open the wallet some as those are not cheap, but you usually get what you pay for regarding gear so I am ok with it.
If you buy them at Running Warehouse, you can use the coupon code ATRA at checkout to get 10% off.
Thanks. I noticed they changed the Team Discounts up a bit as I am sure they realized many were taking advantage of them. Smart on their part, but I miss those free Team Discount codes by searching.
 
Thanks for the heads up on the socks. I will definitely have to check out the Balega. Looks like I may need to open the wallet some as those are not cheap, but you usually get what you pay for regarding gear so I am ok with it.
If you buy them at Running Warehouse, you can use the coupon code ATRA at checkout to get 10% off.
Thanks. I noticed they changed the Team Discounts up a bit as I am sure they realized many were taking advantage of them. Smart on their part, but I miss those free Team Discount codes by searching.
No problem. I usually ask for 5-10 pairs for Christmas each year. You're right; they're not inexpensive, but they're definitely worth the money.
 
Thanks for the heads up on the socks. I will definitely have to check out the Balega. Looks like I may need to open the wallet some as those are not cheap, but you usually get what you pay for regarding gear so I am ok with it.
If you buy them at Running Warehouse, you can use the coupon code ATRA at checkout to get 10% off.
Thanks. I noticed they changed the Team Discounts up a bit as I am sure they realized many were taking advantage of them. Smart on their part, but I miss those free Team Discount codes by searching.
Pricing seems high. Local running store which I like to support carries them for them same price or a hair less. When they run their 20% off specials I stock up.
 
Alright trail runners, I need some help on shoe selection. My first 'A' race of 2012 (April) is going to be a trail triple crown (HM + 10K + 5K). I obviously don't want to run this in regular trainers, so looking for suggestions on good trail shoes. Hopefully I find a good pair right away so I can stock up on them as I'll most likely need a change of shoes at race day.

Also what are those special treads called for ice/snow? Since I'm going to have to do all of my training in the winter, I'm going to need those bad boys sooner or later.

 
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You trail guys have fun...my ankles would not be happy with me.

Was bad enough going on a bit of a trail and across a field to get back to the green belt Saturday during my run in Memphis.

Tonight is going to be a good night for a run. Cool temps...calm weather...and me having a crappy day at work (just glad its the last month of this for me).

 
Alright trail runners, I need some help on shoe selection. My first 'A' race of 2012 (April) is going to be a trail triple crown (HM + 10K + 5K). I obviously don't want to run this in regular trainers, so looking for suggestions on good trail shoes. Hopefully I find a good pair right away so I can stock up on them as I'll most likely need a change of shoes at race day.Also what are those special treads called for ice/snow? Since I'm going to have to do all of my training in the winter, I'm going to need those bad boys sooner or later.
I also picked up a pair of Brooks Cascadia recently and are by far the best trail shoes I've had. They have a funky sole that somehow finds traction even on leaves. Killer ankle stability too. The covers are called Yak Trax. I have a pair of the Yak Trax brand name, but I had heard that Costco had a generic for less. Be careful with these at first. I found that my calves killed after the first few runs with these as they do not let you foot roll like it normally does. There is a lot more grab and pull. I saw this more running in 6+ inches of snow than on packed snow and/or ice.
 
Feeling pretty good going into the St. Judes half this weekend. I convinced the wife it would be well worth it (my sanity and hers) to get a hotel in Downtown Memphis. We had planned on staying outside of town, but not knowing the area all that well I don't want to get in a panic parking and what not on Sat. morning. Plus she wants to bring out 19 month old, which I'm like, but I could see it turning into a pain in the ###....for her!

I've taken it pretty easy this week, a couple of 3 mile runs just to stay loose. Then I'm jumping in and going balls out.

I had originally said in here I wanted the R & R in Nashville to be my first Marathon. I've since decided on doing the one in NOLA instead March 4th. Between it being closer, knowing the area and its flat made it seem like a better option than Nashville.

After breaking down some dates on the calendar I figured out I could pick up the Higdon Plan on Week 4 starting next week. After that it lines up perfectly for NOLA. I have another Half I'm signed up for on Jan 7 that coincides with the plan.

But damn this cold weather!

 
'2Young2BBald said:
'Ned said:
Alright trail runners, I need some help on shoe selection. My first 'A' race of 2012 (April) is going to be a trail triple crown (HM + 10K + 5K). I obviously don't want to run this in regular trainers, so looking for suggestions on good trail shoes. Hopefully I find a good pair right away so I can stock up on them as I'll most likely need a change of shoes at race day.Also what are those special treads called for ice/snow? Since I'm going to have to do all of my training in the winter, I'm going to need those bad boys sooner or later.
I also picked up a pair of Brooks Cascadia recently and are by far the best trail shoes I've had. They have a funky sole that somehow finds traction even on leaves. Killer ankle stability too. The covers are called Yak Trax. I have a pair of the Yak Trax brand name, but I had heard that Costco had a generic for less. Be careful with these at first. I found that my calves killed after the first few runs with these as they do not let you foot roll like it normally does. There is a lot more grab and pull. I saw this more running in 6+ inches of snow than on packed snow and/or ice.
Nice I will have to check them out. I've been wanting to try a different brand for road shoes too, so maybe I'll give brooks a try. If they feel good!Thanks for the Costco tip. I'll have to look out for them since we are huge Costco fans. :thumbup:
 
'jb1020 said:
Feeling pretty good going into the St. Judes half this weekend. I convinced the wife it would be well worth it (my sanity and hers) to get a hotel in Downtown Memphis. We had planned on staying outside of town, but not knowing the area all that well I don't want to get in a panic parking and what not on Sat. morning. Plus she wants to bring out 19 month old, which I'm like, but I could see it turning into a pain in the ###....for her!

I've taken it pretty easy this week, a couple of 3 mile runs just to stay loose. Then I'm jumping in and going balls out.

I had originally said in here I wanted the R & R in Nashville to be my first Marathon. I've since decided on doing the one in NOLA instead March 4th. Between it being closer, knowing the area and its flat made it seem like a better option than Nashville.

After breaking down some dates on the calendar I figured out I could pick up the Higdon Plan on Week 4 starting next week. After that it lines up perfectly for NOLA. I have another Half I'm signed up for on Jan 7 that coincides with the plan.

But damn this cold weather!
Good luck! Do you have a time goal?Good call on the hotel. I was freaking the hell out when we were thrown on a detour in Philly. It's not worth the agony.

 
'2Young2BBald said:
'Ned said:
Alright trail runners, I need some help on shoe selection. My first 'A' race of 2012 (April) is going to be a trail triple crown (HM + 10K + 5K). I obviously don't want to run this in regular trainers, so looking for suggestions on good trail shoes. Hopefully I find a good pair right away so I can stock up on them as I'll most likely need a change of shoes at race day.

Also what are those special treads called for ice/snow? Since I'm going to have to do all of my training in the winter, I'm going to need those bad boys sooner or later.
I also picked up a pair of Brooks Cascadia recently and are by far the best trail shoes I've had. They have a funky sole that somehow finds traction even on leaves. Killer ankle stability too. The covers are called Yak Trax. I have a pair of the Yak Trax brand name, but I had heard that Costco had a generic for less. Be careful with these at first. I found that my calves killed after the first few runs with these as they do not let you foot roll like it normally does. There is a lot more grab and pull. I saw this more running in 6+ inches of snow than on packed snow and/or ice.
Nice I will have to check them out. I've been wanting to try a different brand for road shoes too, so maybe I'll give brooks a try. If they feel good!Thanks for the Costco tip. I'll have to look out for them since we are huge Costco fans. :thumbup:
That is what sold me on them in the first place. They are built on a similar platform to the Brooks Glycerin. Like I mentioned to PMB earlier, I have tended to need a 1/2 size bigger.
 
'Ned said:
Alright trail runners, I need some help on shoe selection. My first 'A' race of 2012 (April) is going to be a trail triple crown (HM + 10K + 5K). I obviously don't want to run this in regular trainers, so looking for suggestions on good trail shoes. Hopefully I find a good pair right away so I can stock up on them as I'll most likely need a change of shoes at race day.Also what are those special treads called for ice/snow? Since I'm going to have to do all of my training in the winter, I'm going to need those bad boys sooner or later.
INOV8 - Roclite seriesGreat grip on everything except smooth and wet. I tried the Brooks and liked these a hair better. Both stood out over everything else.
 
jb - good luck this weekend. Also will echo the good call on the hotel. Just leaves one less thing to worry about and helps you sleep in just a bit more.

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Got out yesterday for 6 miles in the afternoon and then 4 miles last night. I was not going to do the 4 last night, but I had to try out the new shoes. Much as 2YBB stated earlier, they are good right out of the box. I got the 8's and had tried the 9's in the store so I had my size down. I had read about them not being true to size, but mine were. They felt pretty good out of the box. Being that it was the second run of the day, I thought that I was going to be a little down, but actually had a good run. Shoes felt amazing. Not sure if it was the Glycerin's themselves or if I was just excited to be running on virgin shoes, but I definitely feel good about them. I need to adjust the laces a bit, but all was well.

Have a great day all.

 
Great night for running last night.

Cool (34*) no wind and a clear night.

Did 6 miles...first 1.5 at about 9:50, the next 3.5 at 8:40-8:50, then the last at 9:50.

Felt great...calves showed no signs of tightness which is good.

 
'jb1020 said:
Feeling pretty good going into the St. Judes half this weekend. I convinced the wife it would be well worth it (my sanity and hers) to get a hotel in Downtown Memphis. We had planned on staying outside of town, but not knowing the area all that well I don't want to get in a panic parking and what not on Sat. morning. Plus she wants to bring out 19 month old, which I'm like, but I could see it turning into a pain in the ###....for her!

I've taken it pretty easy this week, a couple of 3 mile runs just to stay loose. Then I'm jumping in and going balls out.

I had originally said in here I wanted the R & R in Nashville to be my first Marathon. I've since decided on doing the one in NOLA instead March 4th. Between it being closer, knowing the area and its flat made it seem like a better option than Nashville.

After breaking down some dates on the calendar I figured out I could pick up the Higdon Plan on Week 4 starting next week. After that it lines up perfectly for NOLA. I have another Half I'm signed up for on Jan 7 that coincides with the plan.

But damn this cold weather!
Good luck! Do you have a time goal?Good call on the hotel. I was freaking the hell out when we were thrown on a detour in Philly. It's not worth the agony.
Yeah, your Philly story was in the back of my mind. Its about $130 more to stay the night, hell its a no-brainer. I've struggled with my time goal and what it should be. I don't know if sub 2 hours is doable. Looking back over a lot of my runs I can tell you when I set out on an easy long run I come in around 9:55 or so. I've also had a few 7-8 mile runs where I pushed myself and came in around 8:55ish.

Being fairly new to the "race mindset" I don't know if pushing myself for 13.1 is a smart thing, but maybe adrenaline can carry me thru.

 
GL jb.

And definite :thumbup: to the hotel.

Im about 45min-1hour from where my first half was.

I stayed in a hotel about 5 minutes from the starting line. Felt better about that.

Plus having a room and bed to myself nice and quiet without worrying about waking the kids that early when I got up was nice.

 
'jb1020 said:
Feeling pretty good going into the St. Judes half this weekend. I convinced the wife it would be well worth it (my sanity and hers) to get a hotel in Downtown Memphis. We had planned on staying outside of town, but not knowing the area all that well I don't want to get in a panic parking and what not on Sat. morning. Plus she wants to bring out 19 month old, which I'm like, but I could see it turning into a pain in the ###....for her!

I've taken it pretty easy this week, a couple of 3 mile runs just to stay loose. Then I'm jumping in and going balls out.

I had originally said in here I wanted the R & R in Nashville to be my first Marathon. I've since decided on doing the one in NOLA instead March 4th. Between it being closer, knowing the area and its flat made it seem like a better option than Nashville.

After breaking down some dates on the calendar I figured out I could pick up the Higdon Plan on Week 4 starting next week. After that it lines up perfectly for NOLA. I have another Half I'm signed up for on Jan 7 that coincides with the plan.

But damn this cold weather!
Good luck! Do you have a time goal?Good call on the hotel. I was freaking the hell out when we were thrown on a detour in Philly. It's not worth the agony.
Yeah, your Philly story was in the back of my mind. Its about $130 more to stay the night, hell its a no-brainer. I've struggled with my time goal and what it should be. I don't know if sub 2 hours is doable. Looking back over a lot of my runs I can tell you when I set out on an easy long run I come in around 9:55 or so. I've also had a few 7-8 mile runs where I pushed myself and came in around 8:55ish.

Being fairly new to the "race mindset" I don't know if pushing myself for 13.1 is a smart thing, but maybe adrenaline can carry me thru.
Don't SandTM it. You've got nothing to gain by pushing the beginning. Get settled in on a comfortably uncomfortable pace (coined by grue) in the first 5 miles and go from there. You've got plenty of time to press it at the end. When I ran my first HM, I chopped it up into 3 targets of 5mi, 5mi, 5K (I think The_Man taught me this). Once I got to 10 I slowly opened it up and gave'r hell for the final 5K. There's definitely some extra juice from the race atmosphere, but it can also be your worst enemy if you let yourself get wrapped up in it at the start. Most of all, just have fun!

Without knowing your mileage base, you sound similar to my brother. He went out too fast in Philly and hit the wall at 10 and still managed a 2:09. I bet you have a 2:05 if you run smart.

 
Some reading amt'l for you guys...

http://www.runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=24321

Common Limiting Factors in the Marathon

... and how to conquer them to run your best marathon

By Jonathan Dugas

As featured in the November 2011 issue of Running Times Magazine

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The marathon poses an interesting challenge. Most of you know exactly what I'm talking about, because you've made several attempts at the distance by now. A few, the lucky among us, enjoy relative success even in their first or second marathon, but more commonly, in spite of what we might deem excellent preparation, most of us experience one or more known issues that plague a marathon attempt. These are issues that can suddenly appear after 18 miles of feeling great, or after 22 miles of staying on pace for a PR. Here, I've tried to identify the primary issues that tend to appear during the marathon and explain what's happening and how you can avoid these issues.

THE IDEAL MARATHON

Let's start with what your ideal marathon should look like, especially regarding your pace. There's solid evidence that the optimal way to pace yourself over any distance longer than 800m is to run an even or negative split, i.e., running the second half of the distance at the same speed, or perhaps even slightly faster than the first half. It's challenging, yes, but mostly because it means we have to exercise a little (or a lot) of patience from the start, and run what feels too slow for the first one-third or more to ensure that we don't slow too much towards the end.

To achieve your best race, you'll still need to avoid the common problems below, any of which will derail your most determined effort. The oversimplified answer is that matching expectations to training level and executing the correct pacing will go a long way to avoiding these obstacles. A common thread running through all these issues, therefore, is adopting an appropriate pacing strategy. It should always be your starting point. Although the speed each runner runs will be different, their pacing strategy should be similar. But even when you get the pacing right, you'll still need to take action before and during the race to give yourself the best chance of running to your potential.

ISSUE #1: DEHYDRATION, FLUID BALANCE AND THE ROLE OF THIRST

Late in a marathon, you find the work of maintaining pace getting much harder. Inevitably you slow and miss your goal. You blame it on dehydration, and, in truth, the loss of fluids likely had a small role.

Let me say, however, that fluid balance plays a much smaller role than you probably think. The messages that we receive as runners tell us something entirely different, and the causes for that are complicated and lie somewhere in the debate between science and marketing. But suffice it to say that being "dehydrated" probably doesn't mean what you think it means. The effect and the importance of "hydration" are overstated.

Perhaps the best way to try to understand the role of fluid during your racing and training is that restricting fluid will lead to a less than optimal performance. As long as you're not fluid restricted, however, you can rule out hydration as an obstacle. "Restricted" is a relative term, of course, and the amount each of us needs is different according to our individual characteristics as well as the environmental conditions. Following the dictates of your thirst is adequate, however, to ensure that you get sufficient fluid in any given racing situation. Full disclosure: It's probably a lot less than you think it is.

If for some reason you're not able to meet your thirst, you'll in all likelihood go slower, especially if it's hotter outside. By how much? Probably only around 3–4 percent. That's a lot if you're aiming for a best time, when even only a 1–2 percent difference is meaningful, easily the difference between making the goal and not making it. But 3–4 percent is small when you see some of the claims thrown around by product manufacturers and even some sports scientists.

It's important to note that drinking more fluid than you would when following your thirst will not magically make you go faster. Our normal physiological response to exercise and sweating is to lose some of our body weight in the form of fluid. Typically when we drink to thirst we lose about 2–5 percent of our body mass because we don't replace 100 percent of our sweat losses. That's normal, and doesn't represent dehydration. To put it another way, drinking to thirst prevents dehydration. So drinking enough fluid to prevent any weight losses won't make you go faster than if you drink to thirst, and in fact represents over-hydration.

Restricting fluids, however, will affect your performance. So when you're aiming for your best time, and you're not able to drink to thirst because of not enough aid stations on the course or you're unable to take in enough on the run, your performance will likely suffer. However, given that most marathons now have aid stations nearly every mile, this is an unlikely scenario. Learn to tune in to your thirst sensations, and to drink comfortably at race pace, and then don't psych yourself out. Trust your physiological thirst mechanism and know you'll perform well even if you don't "hydrate" right from the gun. You might be surprised how it changes your running if you can unchain yourself from the hydration issue.

ISSUE #2: THE MUSCLE CRAMP

Nearly every runner has experienced a cramp, especially if they've attempted a marathon. Putting in all the miles and attempting to race 26.2 miles produce a situation rife for muscle cramps. A cramp will immediately dash any hope of a best performance, while simultaneously ensuring a miserable remainder of whatever distance you're attempting. This is certainly bad news all around.

Less certain is what we know about how to prevent cramps, because we lack a reliable way to reproduce cramps during exercise in the lab, and that makes it hard to understand fully what's causing them. What we do know are several things based on what we see when they occur.

First, they're not related to fluid balance. Data from the Two Oceans Ultra Marathon (35 miles) examined crampers and non-crampers who finished at the same time. On paper, you can't tell the difference between them, as all the electrolytes measured look exactly the same between the two groups. That indicates the runners were all hydrated/dehydrated to a similar extent. So fluid doesn't seem to play a role. In addition, everyone who finishes the marathon has lost some amount of fluid--since 99.99 percent of all finishers lose around 2–3 percent of their starting body mass--so if "dehydration" (defined in this case as losing even 2–3 percent of your body mass) were really to blame for the cramps, then that would mean we should be seeing many more crampers at the finish line. But as it turns out, only around 1 percent of any race's entrants are seen in the medical tent, and for numerous conditions ranging from abrasions to sprains to collapse.

Fatigue, specifically local fatigue of a particular muscle or muscle group, seems to be a more important factor. The issue at hand is neuromuscular in nature, and we think is caused by a particular reflex between your muscle and your spinal cord that experiences a bit of a malfunction. One of the motor neurons becomes excited, and isn't turned off, thus constantly stimulating the muscle to contract--otherwise known as a cramp.

We aren't sure entirely what causes this to happen, but local muscle fatigue is a common thread. Therefore, preventing that local fatigue, or any fatigue, is your best path to preventing cramps. This can be done by adequate preparation and training, but that speaks to only part of the issue. The other equally important part of adequate training is "appropriate execution." By that I mean you should pace according to your training level, and ensure your performance expectations match your current training status. So if you're trained to run a 3:40, don't complete the first 10 miles at 3:10 pace. It sounds simple but is probably one of the most challenging parts of marathon racing. It requires honesty, discipline and patience in particular, because we all know that in the first 10 or so miles we feel amazing, partly due to the atmosphere and crowds early in the race and partly because since we've trained to complete 26.2 miles, running 10 miles at a slightly faster pace still seems easy to us.

My experience from the many races I've worked indicates that it's the athletes who attempt to outrun their training who are most susceptible to cramps, because they're the ones who are inducing the local fatigue by asking their muscles to do more than they're ready for.

The take-home message here is first to ensure you put in the training. But equally as important is matching your performance expectations with your current ability. Doing those two things reduces the chance that you experience a debilitating cramp along the way to the finish. In case you do cramp up, however, the best remedy is to pause and stretch the affected muscle, if possible. I know the last thing you want to do is stop and stretch for 30–60 seconds, but at that point it just might help make those last few miles bearable. In this case you must accept the fact that all performance bets are off, and the goal has now shifted to finishing in a respectable time.

ISSUE #3: THE LOSS OF GOOD FORM

Over shorter distances deterioration of form isn't much of a problem, even at higher intensities, but over the marathon the effect of repetition is amplified, and suddenly after 18 miles all those muscles that help stabilize are taking strain and becoming fatigued. They're less able to perform their job, and the consequence is a serious deterioration of that picturesque form you displayed early in the race, accompanied by a deterioration of pace.

A common pitfall of novice and experienced runners is that they think of running as something only their legs do. Accordingly, they run. And run, and run, and run. And that's certainly an important part of any marathon training program, because the distance training is absolutely crucial to success, however you define it. But running isn't just about our legs, and all the other parts of your body have to work so that your legs can continue to do their job. It's an exercise in biomechanics, because for the legs to propel you forward, many other parts of the kinetic chain must be stabilized and counterbalanced to keep you moving in a straight line. In this case I'm referring to your core and trunk muscles, whose role is to stabilize the body while you take off and land as part of each stride.

For many years I didn't buy into the message of "core stabilization" that was trumpeted by all the exercise ball and other equipment manufacturers, but over time I've come to realize that there's some truth in the benefits of training these muscles. The gimmicks and equipment and books are probably overkill, but the concept of training these important muscles is solid. Unfortunately there isn't much science to really back this up, but independent of that lack of data, I believe you'll notice a difference in your general state of physical health as well as your running performance if you spend some time developing this part of your running.

Like any part of a training program, it needn't be--and shouldn't be--done every week. Rather, it's part of an appropriately periodized program so that in any given training year you spend one or two eight-to 10-week periods of training that targets these muscles. The exercises are simple, and can be done at the same time as normal running training, although they're probably best suited to lower volume and easier periods. You can even do them at home or at work if you have an office and can deal with the funny looks you might receive if someone walks past your door while you're doing them--but at this point your coworkers probably already think you're strange if they know about your weekend exploits (long runs), lunchtime runs, and general devotion to running so many miles each week.

More important than the exercises themselves is putting them together in a meaningful way, and for that I suggest you fork out and get some expert advice. Most personal trainers are well-versed in these exercises and should be able to put together a short program (30–45 minutes) of exercises, including how many sets and reps you should do. One session with these people is well worth the cash, as you can take the info and do the exercises on your own. If you've never engaged in these types of exercises, then you can't go wrong. If you've done them before, excellent--you should look to progress to more complex and challenging exercises to improve more.

Because of the time it takes muscles to adapt to training, you need to commit to at least eight weeks of these sessions, probably at least two to three times per week. It's a serious commitment, but given the way we adapt to training it's necessary to get the full effect and benefit.

ISSUE #4: THE BONK

Endurance athletes the world over are familiar with this concept, having experienced it on at least one occasion--the narrowing field of vision, exponentially increased effort and deep fatigue, such that you feel like lying down in the ditch and taking a nap. It's the layman's term for hypoglycemia, or a low blood sugar. Like cramps, it will dash any hope you had of doing your best, effectively ending the race for you. But unlike cramps, it's much easier to predict and prevent, mostly because it's relatively easy for us to study exercise metabolism in the lab. Although the field of carbohydrate metabolism continues to advance, we've unlocked most of the important parts that apply to everyday runners.

The first thing you must do to prevent hypoglycemia is to be sure you start the race with at least normal glycogen levels in your muscles and liver, which is the organ responsible for maintaining the blood glucose concentration. There's much debate now about whether traditional "carbo-loading" is necessary; without going into that whole argument, the minimal requirement is that you toe the line with at least normal concentrations of glycogen in your muscles and liver. Increased levels may or may not add value, but less than normal is detrimental.

Part of your training program should be making sure you ingest sufficient calories to meet the increased expenditure from all the training you're doing, and that means not only eating regular meals, but depending on how much training you're doing, eating supplemental food (not necessarily "supplements," but any food) to ensure you meet your energy demands. If you're doing that, you're in all likelihood starting off with normal levels, especially since a normal diet for most runners tends to be high in carbohydrates.

So starting off normal is what you must do before the race, but once the gun goes off you then need to ingest anywhere between 30–60 grams of carbohydrates per hour to prevent your liver glycogen levels from getting too low. The problem is that, as we carry on exercising for many hours, we tend to rely less on the carbohydrates stored in the muscle and more on the carbohydrates from the liver. We do also tend to use more fat, but even as we increase our fat usage we still use more blood glucose over time, and that's why the liver needs a little help in the form of what we can ingest to make sure it doesn't get too low. Once the brain senses that it might be getting too low, it has its ways of making you slow, and if you choose to ignore those signals then you'll most likely bonk.

I realize we don't think in terms of grams of carbohydrates, so let me put that number of "30–60 grams per hour" in context. A typical gel product has between 20–30 grams of carbohydrates, while sports drinks contain about 10–12 grams per cup that you might receive on the course (around 200 mL or 6–7 oz.). Therefore, one gel and two cups of sports drink per hour will put you in the right range, and most runners' thirst drive will cause them to ingest anywhere between 400–800 mL (14–28 oz.) per hour depending on the conditions. Of course you're not limited to gels and sports drinks, but they'll be the most readily available and easiest to consume.

Trying to go the distance in the absence of ingesting any carbohydrates is risky. Some can do it, but it will depend entirely on their genetic predisposition to burn fat during high-intensity exercise, as well as their training status. Chances are you're not one of those people, however, and taking in some carbohydrates along the way will therefore be beneficial, if not essential. It might be less as opposed to more, and that's where experience starts to pay dividends, because it might be a few marathons before you fully understand what's going to work best for you and in what amounts.

THE BIG PICTURE

Bear in mind that these are what I consider to be the most common issues runners face when trying to achieve their best in the marathon. Many of you might have alternative lists that relate directly to your experiences, and that speak to the real challenge of the distance itself. Over the shorter races, even up to the half marathon, there's much more predictability. In other words, there are far fewer things that will affect your outcome over those distances, with training and your talent predicting most of your success. For example, over the shorter distances issues like metabolism really become inconsequential because racing over those distances doesn't represent any real challenge for that part of your physiology. No one's going to bonk in a 5K or 10K race, and probably not even in a half marathon. But when we add in the full marathon distance, things get a bit gray. Problems due to minor issues like a lack of core stability that will never present over the shorter distances suddenly become amplified over the marathon.

Good, solid preparation and training is always the best remedy, but recall that's only the first half of the problem. You must execute an appropriate pacing strategy to run your best on the day. That means being realistic and owning up to the fact that, perhaps, due to a niggling injury you weren't able to complete as many long runs as you planned, and then adjusting your time goal accordingly so that you can run an even or negative split.

An important factor, however, is that marathon training takes a tremendous amount of time, energy, effort and commitment. So much so that we can realistically expect to aim for only two good races per year at that distance, and so I fully understand the situation we often find ourselves in: It's been a long and hard four months of dedicated training, and you picked up some minor injuries that made you adjust your training plan, or work got out of hand and you didn't get in as many miles, but the day is here and you might not be able to attempt another marathon for 12 more months. In the end you decide to just go for it because of the dynamics of your situation--your need to qualify for Boston, your long-standing goal to break 3 hours, your standing among your running buddies.

I would like to urge you to reconsider that and to take a more conservative approach. The marathon is as much a game of patience as it is endurance and strength, and not just on the road. Expect to change your goals along the way, and more importantly, be OK with that. You're a runner, after all, and I hope you won't be hanging up your shoes any time soon, which means there'll be another marathon in your future. And all the training you've done prior will only benefit you.

The final point I'd like to share with you here is that, even with our best-laid plans, even with the most accurate and scientific information available to us, getting everything to go exactly right on the day still requires a little (or a lot of) luck. For most of us, racing a marathon really does stretch us to our limit, and predicting what will happen during such a complex situation is terribly hard and often imprecise. So prepare well, pace accordingly, and most importantly, enjoy the scenery.

HOW DO I KNOW WHAT PACE TO SET FOR A MARATHON?

To set a realistic time goal we really need to understand our potential and what's possible for us with our current level of training. We tend to overestimate our abilities, and in so doing create a situation that will likely produce only failure. So how fast can you go? The best predictor of your next marathon, even if you've run many before, is your most recent time over any shorter distance. If your half marathon time two months before the marathon is 1:28, you're not going to break 3 hours. If you're very well-trained, you can expect to multiply your half marathon time by at least 2.1, but you'll need to add more than that if you're not as prepared and likely to slow down more during the race. Similarly, to break 3 hours you probably need to be able to run a 10K in less than 40 minutes. You'll find numerous race prediction charts online, including our Pace Tools here. Regardless of what you set as your goal when you started training, at some point you need to adjust that goal to your ability as revealed in tune-up races leading to the marathon.

 
Great read BNB. Gives me even more to think about going forward and a lot of reflecting points on what I could have done better on in my last couple marathons. After that reflection, my weak point is probably the pacing thing. I did a better job of it last time out, but I am an admittedly slow learner on this stuff so basically I think I just need to plan better. I am interested in trying the Ultra Fuel stuff this time around as Gru used for his Sub 3 to see if that will help with he Carb loss.

 
12 days and no running. I just took a 15 minute walk at lunch and the back started in again, damn thing nags more than my wife. The part I really hate is that by the time I do run again I will have lost all the gains I made lately. Plus the weather in Florida right now is perfect for running.

Tri-man- what kind of stretching are you talking about?

 
'Ned said:
'jb1020 said:
Feeling pretty good going into the St. Judes half this weekend. I convinced the wife it would be well worth it (my sanity and hers) to get a hotel in Downtown Memphis. We had planned on staying outside of town, but not knowing the area all that well I don't want to get in a panic parking and what not on Sat. morning. Plus she wants to bring out 19 month old, which I'm like, but I could see it turning into a pain in the ###....for her!

I've taken it pretty easy this week, a couple of 3 mile runs just to stay loose. Then I'm jumping in and going balls out.

I had originally said in here I wanted the R & R in Nashville to be my first Marathon. I've since decided on doing the one in NOLA instead March 4th. Between it being closer, knowing the area and its flat made it seem like a better option than Nashville.

After breaking down some dates on the calendar I figured out I could pick up the Higdon Plan on Week 4 starting next week. After that it lines up perfectly for NOLA. I have another Half I'm signed up for on Jan 7 that coincides with the plan.

But damn this cold weather!
Good luck! Do you have a time goal?Good call on the hotel. I was freaking the hell out when we were thrown on a detour in Philly. It's not worth the agony.
Yeah, your Philly story was in the back of my mind. Its about $130 more to stay the night, hell its a no-brainer. I've struggled with my time goal and what it should be. I don't know if sub 2 hours is doable. Looking back over a lot of my runs I can tell you when I set out on an easy long run I come in around 9:55 or so. I've also had a few 7-8 mile runs where I pushed myself and came in around 8:55ish.

Being fairly new to the "race mindset" I don't know if pushing myself for 13.1 is a smart thing, but maybe adrenaline can carry me thru.
Don't SandTM it. You've got nothing to gain by pushing the beginning. Get settled in on a comfortably uncomfortable pace (coined by grue) in the first 5 miles and go from there. You've got plenty of time to press it at the end. When I ran my first HM, I chopped it up into 3 targets of 5mi, 5mi, 5K (I think The_Man taught me this). Once I got to 10 I slowly opened it up and gave'r hell for the final 5K. There's definitely some extra juice from the race atmosphere, but it can also be your worst enemy if you let yourself get wrapped up in it at the start. Most of all, just have fun!

Without knowing your mileage base, you sound similar to my brother. He went out too fast in Philly and hit the wall at 10 and still managed a 2:09. I bet you have a 2:05 if you run smart.
I think the play for me is to stay in the 9:25-9:35 range for the first 9-10 miles and see how I feel. Looking at the elevation map the course peaks at mile 10 then drops thru the finish. Its only a 50ft drop, but downhill is downhill right?!?!?!?And yeah, I'd be very pleased with 2:05.

 
'Darrinll40 said:
12 days and no running. I just took a 15 minute walk at lunch and the back started in again, damn thing nags more than my wife. The part I really hate is that by the time I do run again I will have lost all the gains I made lately. Plus the weather in Florida right now is perfect for running. Tri-man- what kind of stretching are you talking about?
Sucks man...have you seen a doc about it?Only back problems I ever had came after overdoing it a week at Disney with a full backpack...plus 2 long car rides...then a trip to Atlanta the next week. Middle of the night in Atlanta my back seized up and I could not sleep...just awful.Doctor never found anything major and gave me some muscle relaxers (greatest things ever).
 
'pmbrown_22 said:
Great read BNB. Gives me even more to think about going forward and a lot of reflecting points on what I could have done better on in my last couple marathons. After that reflection, my weak point is probably the pacing thing. I did a better job of it last time out, but I am an admittedly slow learner on this stuff so basically I think I just need to plan better. I am interested in trying the Ultra Fuel stuff this time around as Gru used for his Sub 3 to see if that will help with he Carb loss.
Agree. My pacing is my issue.My first marathon, I ran a 1:46 first half and 1:53 second half to finish 3:39.My second marathon, I ran a 1:47 first half and 1:49 second half to finish 3:36. I wouldn't say I was any more or less prepared for the second, but my time improved as I was able to really improve my second half of my marathon. Doing a negative split would be incredible challenging for me to achieve as I'm not sure I have the willpower to hold back as I would need to. Ugh.I do think the pacing is huge and really overlooked. I also think that is why doing tempo runs is critical during training so that the marathon pace doesn't stress the body nearly to the same level.Great read and thanks for sharing BNB.
 
If you're very well-trained, you can expect to multiply your half marathon time by at least 2.1, but you'll need to add more than that if you're not as prepared and likely to slow down more during the race. Similarly, to break 3 hours you probably need to be able to run a 10K in less than 40 minutes.
First part not necessarily true. Second part barely true. Moral of the story? There are exceptions to every rule. Sometimes you just need to be aggressive, test your boundaries, and go for it. No guts, no glory.
 
If you're very well-trained, you can expect to multiply your half marathon time by at least 2.1, but you'll need to add more than that if you're not as prepared and likely to slow down more during the race. Similarly, to break 3 hours you probably need to be able to run a 10K in less than 40 minutes.
First part not necessarily true. Second part barely true. Moral of the story? There are exceptions to every rule. Sometimes you just need to be aggressive, test your boundaries, and go for it. No guts, no glory.
Agree to an extent, although your numbers in your sig regarding 10k and marathon pr's give this guy fuel for his side. When I read that I thought about how much your marathon times were a reach over your training runs and you seem to be able to handle that fairly consistantly.Have you run a half marathon lately as a goal race? I thought your pr came on a bad day or when you weren't dropping the hammer? His formula would have you around 1:26 for the half.
 
'pmbrown_22 said:
Great read BNB. Gives me even more to think about going forward and a lot of reflecting points on what I could have done better on in my last couple marathons. After that reflection, my weak point is probably the pacing thing. I did a better job of it last time out, but I am an admittedly slow learner on this stuff so basically I think I just need to plan better. I am interested in trying the Ultra Fuel stuff this time around as Gru used for his Sub 3 to see if that will help with he Carb loss.
Agree. My pacing is my issue.My first marathon, I ran a 1:46 first half and 1:53 second half to finish 3:39.My second marathon, I ran a 1:47 first half and 1:49 second half to finish 3:36. I wouldn't say I was any more or less prepared for the second, but my time improved as I was able to really improve my second half of my marathon. Doing a negative split would be incredible challenging for me to achieve as I'm not sure I have the willpower to hold back as I would need to. Ugh.I do think the pacing is huge and really overlooked. I also think that is why doing tempo runs is critical during training so that the marathon pace doesn't stress the body nearly to the same level.Great read and thanks for sharing BNB.
I take any advice which doesn't incorporate the patented Sanding with a grain of salt.
 
If you're very well-trained, you can expect to multiply your half marathon time by at least 2.1, but you'll need to add more than that if you're not as prepared and likely to slow down more during the race. Similarly, to break 3 hours you probably need to be able to run a 10K in less than 40 minutes.
First part not necessarily true. Second part barely true. Moral of the story? There are exceptions to every rule. Sometimes you just need to be aggressive, test your boundaries, and go for it. No guts, no glory.
Agree to an extent, although your numbers in your sig regarding 10k and marathon pr's give this guy fuel for his side. When I read that I thought about how much your marathon times were a reach over your training runs and you seem to be able to handle that fairly consistantly.Have you run a half marathon lately as a goal race? I thought your pr came on a bad day or when you weren't dropping the hammer? His formula would have you around 1:26 for the half.
I was racing when I ran 1:27:01 in Green Bay back in May, but I didn't run a tune-up race prior to Milwaukee. In fairness, you're probably right; I'm sure I probably could've run 85-86 minutes, which is right in that ballpark.
 
'pmbrown_22 said:
Great read BNB. Gives me even more to think about going forward and a lot of reflecting points on what I could have done better on in my last couple marathons. After that reflection, my weak point is probably the pacing thing. I did a better job of it last time out, but I am an admittedly slow learner on this stuff so basically I think I just need to plan better. I am interested in trying the Ultra Fuel stuff this time around as Gru used for his Sub 3 to see if that will help with he Carb loss.
Agree. My pacing is my issue.My first marathon, I ran a 1:46 first half and 1:53 second half to finish 3:39.My second marathon, I ran a 1:47 first half and 1:49 second half to finish 3:36. I wouldn't say I was any more or less prepared for the second, but my time improved as I was able to really improve my second half of my marathon. Doing a negative split would be incredible challenging for me to achieve as I'm not sure I have the willpower to hold back as I would need to. Ugh.I do think the pacing is huge and really overlooked. I also think that is why doing tempo runs is critical during training so that the marathon pace doesn't stress the body nearly to the same level.Great read and thanks for sharing BNB.
I take any advice which doesn't incorporate the patented Sanding with a grain of salt.
You're a good man, BnB.On my end I'm going on a week of no running at all after a pretty pitiful 14 mile week last week. I can't breathe with this cold and it is really driving me nuts. I'm just going to call it my off season and hit it hard once I cough up my lungs and acquire new ones.
 
'Darrinll40 said:
12 days and no running. I just took a 15 minute walk at lunch and the back started in again, damn thing nags more than my wife. The part I really hate is that by the time I do run again I will have lost all the gains I made lately. Plus the weather in Florida right now is perfect for running. Tri-man- what kind of stretching are you talking about?
darrin - sorry to hear about the flare-up. What I'm suggesting is in line with these comments from BnB's article above:A common pitfall of novice and experienced runners is that they think of running as something only their legs do. Accordingly, they run. And run, and run, and run. And that's certainly an important part of any marathon training program, because the distance training is absolutely crucial to success, however you define it. But running isn't just about our legs, and all the other parts of your body have to work so that your legs can continue to do their job. It's an exercise in biomechanics, because for the legs to propel you forward, many other parts of the kinetic chain must be stabilized and counterbalanced to keep you moving in a straight line. In this case I'm referring to your core and trunk muscles, whose role is to stabilize the body while you take off and land as part of each stride.For many years I didn't buy into the message of "core stabilization" that was trumpeted by all the exercise ball and other equipment manufacturers, but over time I've come to realize that there's some truth in the benefits of training these muscles. The gimmicks and equipment and books are probably overkill, but the concept of training these important muscles is solid. Unfortunately there isn't much science to really back this up, but independent of that lack of data, I believe you'll notice a difference in your general state of physical health as well as your running performance if you spend some time developing this part of your running.
 
'Darrinll40 said:
12 days and no running. I just took a 15 minute walk at lunch and the back started in again, damn thing nags more than my wife. The part I really hate is that by the time I do run again I will have lost all the gains I made lately. Plus the weather in Florida right now is perfect for running. Tri-man- what kind of stretching are you talking about?
darrin - sorry to hear about the flare-up. What I'm suggesting is in line with these comments from BnB's article above:A common pitfall of novice and experienced runners is that they think of running as something only their legs do. Accordingly, they run. And run, and run, and run. And that's certainly an important part of any marathon training program, because the distance training is absolutely crucial to success, however you define it. But running isn't just about our legs, and all the other parts of your body have to work so that your legs can continue to do their job. It's an exercise in biomechanics, because for the legs to propel you forward, many other parts of the kinetic chain must be stabilized and counterbalanced to keep you moving in a straight line. In this case I'm referring to your core and trunk muscles, whose role is to stabilize the body while you take off and land as part of each stride.For many years I didn't buy into the message of "core stabilization" that was trumpeted by all the exercise ball and other equipment manufacturers, but over time I've come to realize that there's some truth in the benefits of training these muscles. The gimmicks and equipment and books are probably overkill, but the concept of training these important muscles is solid. Unfortunately there isn't much science to really back this up, but independent of that lack of data, I believe you'll notice a difference in your general state of physical health as well as your running performance if you spend some time developing this part of your running.
Agreed. And thus the reason for me taking these stupid yoga classes. That, and the hot chicks in yoga pants. :shrug:
 
Darrin - In agreement with the Core training. It does make a big difference and it will also help you burn more fat around that middle area. Last year I wanted to lose some unwanted fluff and it really did the trick. I need to get back to it as I also have some back issues and I am noticing them a lot more. Strenghtening of those middle muscles just adds to the stability of your body.

Grue - I have thought about taking yoga, but I am always afraid the only thing stretching would be the front of my pants.

Sand - are you sick or are you playing too much Skyrim. I don't have the game, but have been watching the thread.

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Got out and did 5 recovery yesterday. 8 on tap for today.

If I don't get back to it today. Have a great weekend all.

 
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'gruecd said:
Took a yoga class for the first time ever tonight. Holy crap. :sweaty:
How were the ladies? I would love to take a yoga class but my wife would see right through my REAL reason of being there. :wub: :stalker: :jawdrop: :excited: :pickle: :devil:
Honestly, pretty good. A lot of volleyball player-type bodies. :wub:A really cute girl set up just to my right, so anytime we did anything where I was turned that way, I was staring right at her ###. :thumbup:
 
'gruecd said:
Took a yoga class for the first time ever tonight. Holy crap. :sweaty:
How were the ladies? I would love to take a yoga class but my wife would see right through my REAL reason of being there. :wub: :stalker: :jawdrop: :excited: :pickle: :devil:
Honestly, pretty good. A lot of volleyball player-type bodies. :wub:A really cute girl set up just to my right, so anytime we did anything where I was turned that way, I was staring right at her ###. :thumbup:
FOCUS you big goober! ;)I used to loathe yoga, but it is a fantastic cross trainer for runners, IMO. I still use the P90x yoga disc from time to time. Even though I'm still about as flexible as a 2x4, I'm a big fan now. :thumbup:
 
I'm learning that post marathon recovery takes more patience than the actual race itself. Every day I'm seeing small improvements, but dang it lets go. I want to be 'back'. A co-worker of mine put it a funny way when we were talking about the recovery time - "it's like recovering after getting hit by a truck. It's going to take some time."

Wed - 60min GA run. I didn't want to take an extended lunch, so I decided to run by time instead of distance. Got in 6.5 in 58:09 at an avg HR of 154. I started out sluggish, but felt really good on the turn around back. It was nice to stretch out the legs a tiny bit.

Thur - 5mi recovery. Slow and steady. I was sore at the beginning, but the legs shook out by mile 2. I actually had to wear gloves it was so cold out. :thumbup: 9:23/147

I'm making a conscious effort to go by feel and not worry about sticking to a specific pace, HR range, etc. Just running to run the planned workout. I just want my legs back.

 
PMB and Ned: good luck with your recoveries.

Darrin: get yourself better.

BnB: Great article :thumbup:

Sho-Nuff: pretty sure we all pictured Tri-Man when reading that. Had the dood been wearing YakTrax, I'd have sworn it was him.

A really cute girl set up just to my right, so anytime we did anything where I was turned that way, I was staring right at her ###. :thumbup:
:wub: Did you ask the girl whose ### you were oggling if she was a runner? Somebody once told me it's a fool-proof pick-up line ;) I'll be getting some yoga in tonight as well, as my original mini-van mommy is a yoga instructor and masseuse. She's kid free tonight, so I'm letting her put me into a bunch of positions throughout the evening, which should be a darn good workout. She also knows that I'll be pretty beat up after working out all night, so she's promised me a massage tomorrow morning.

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My update:

Got in a quick 19 miler at 21.1 mph yesterday. Winds were under 10 mph which helped tremendously. Just 30 miles left between today and tomorrow to get to 100 for the week.

 
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