Sand
Footballguy
Now you tell me! At lunch I just sent an email off to query about Master's swim classes. 'Cause I need to get faster there.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
After the cold this weekend, Monday was warmer...but rainy and both kids here so it was treadmill time.
6 miles...4 miles of that in mile repeats with some jog/walking in between...and a good mile before and after the repeats of warm up and cool down. Did not count the jog/walk in between in the mileage this time. Probably would have added more close to 7. But unsure how much was walked and how much was jogged.
Tuesday was nice...high 40s, little 3 mile recovery pace.
Then back to 28 degrees and windy yesterday for a 7 miler.
What I have figured out is I need to alter my schedule for a few weeks. My legs simply don't like 3 days in a row right now. Recovery run will be moved to Thursday with no running on Tuesday/Friday/Sunday for now. Adding Sunday as a bike day when its not too cold.
6 miles...4 miles of that in mile repeats with some jog/walking in between...and a good mile before and after the repeats of warm up and cool down. Did not count the jog/walk in between in the mileage this time. Probably would have added more close to 7. But unsure how much was walked and how much was jogged.
Tuesday was nice...high 40s, little 3 mile recovery pace.
Then back to 28 degrees and windy yesterday for a 7 miler.
What I have figured out is I need to alter my schedule for a few weeks. My legs simply don't like 3 days in a row right now. Recovery run will be moved to Thursday with no running on Tuesday/Friday/Sunday for now. Adding Sunday as a bike day when its not too cold.
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
The scale told me it was time to move on from Off Season to, at least, Spring Training. Gained 8 pounds from the Chase until late last week (which is like 20 pounds on a normal size man). Spring Training has consisted of:Sat: Triple indoor brick to punish myself. 3 sets of 8 miles biked, 2 miles ran (for about the Olympic distances).Sun: Double indoor brick, slower paces, 2 sets of 7.5 miles biked, 1 mile ranMon: Swam 2,250 yards. Had spent 5+ hours in the car heading to meeting and back and so wanted to skip this one.Tue: Ran 3.5 milesWed: Swam 2,500 yards. Wanted to see where I stood endurance wise. Swam a mile (72 lengths) with relative ease, ended with 28 lengths more to complete the 2,500.Today: Was going to rest a bit, but am enjoying being back in the swing of things. Targeting an hour on the spin bike tonight if time permits.Trying to get back to healthier eating too, but am finding this more difficult than jumping back in to the training routine. Down 4 pounds this week off the high, but still some work to do.'tri-man 47 said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think Im the opposite.Getting used to running 9:30ish for longer runs and 8:45-8:50 tempos...its hard for me to slow down on recovery runs.Had to keep telling myself to slow down during the 7 yesterday....ended up at 9:16 avg pace when I should have been closer to 9:30 for that run.Though, our temps have been so up and down.21 Saturday, 50s Monday and Tuesday, 29 yesterday, 50-60 this coming Saturday.
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jb1020
Footballguy
I'm with shonuff, but our cold might be different than yours (not sure where you're at).I noticed on my 3 easy runs this week I had a higher HR than usual. Got some BS going on at work that I can't get out of my mind, at least thats my excuse.My last 2 runs were each 5 miles, but my HR was up to 146.The week before similar runs I had an avg of 135 or so. The pace of all were within 10 seconds of each other. Work blows!On a side note, I'm slowly breaking in my new Brooks PureFlows. I'm diggin them so far, but I haven't taken them out for more than 5 yet.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
I feel like I've been holding pace OK. It's a bit tougher, though, when I'm all bundled up (25 degrees today with a stiff west wind).2Young - sweet week!!! You make me realize how much I miss my swim routines. It'll be so nice in a year or two to get back at that ...finish my doctorate, then join a club with a pool.
Ned
Footballguy
This is just my own experiences after 2yrs worth of HR data, so take it FWIW. But it seems that when it gets <40, my HR goes up a tick. Especially when it gets into the 20s. Is it my body working harder to stay warm or is it my body working harder because I'm layered up like I'm going to Antarctica?
I don't see any difference in pacing, just that I have to work a bit harder to get to that pace.
jb1020
Footballguy
The last 2 runs have been much colder. It makes sense I guess.
One more thing regarding the Higdon marathon training....
I was just looking over the plan this morning and noticed the longest pace run is only 8 miles, and out of an 18 week plan you only run 2 of them.
I do still trust the plan, but it just seems to me if this guy wants me to maintain my marathon pace for 26.2 miles that a run of maybe 15 miles or so would be worked in somehow.
One more thing regarding the Higdon marathon training....
I was just looking over the plan this morning and noticed the longest pace run is only 8 miles, and out of an 18 week plan you only run 2 of them.
I do still trust the plan, but it just seems to me if this guy wants me to maintain my marathon pace for 26.2 miles that a run of maybe 15 miles or so would be worked in somehow.
17seconds
root of all aliai
I've never trained for a full but I'm doing Higdon Advanced for a half. Looked it up and it appears you are doing the Novice plan.The last 2 runs have been much colder. It makes sense I guess. One more thing regarding the Higdon marathon training....I was just looking over the plan this morning and noticed the longest pace run is only 8 miles, and out of an 18 week plan you only run 2 of them. I do still trust the plan, but it just seems to me if this guy wants me to maintain my marathon pace for 26.2 miles that a run of maybe 15 miles or so would be worked in somehow.
Doesn't surprise me the pace workout limit is 8 miles, because the goal of that program is to finish the race and not burn out during training.
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jb1020
Footballguy
I'm on the intermediate 1 plan. I know Higdon doesn't want you to burn out, but it almost seems too cautious. Not doubting it or the plan, it just seems unrealistic. But what do I know?'17seconds said:I've never trained for a full but I'm doing Higdon Advanced for a half. Looked it up and it appears you are doing the Novice plan.'jb1020 said:The last 2 runs have been much colder. It makes sense I guess. One more thing regarding the Higdon marathon training....I was just looking over the plan this morning and noticed the longest pace run is only 8 miles, and out of an 18 week plan you only run 2 of them. I do still trust the plan, but it just seems to me if this guy wants me to maintain my marathon pace for 26.2 miles that a run of maybe 15 miles or so would be worked in somehow.Doesn't surprise me the pace workout limit is 8 miles, because the goal of that program is to finish the race and not burn out during training.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The cold doesn't affect my pace, but snow really does.'BassNBrew said:
Ned
Footballguy
This was my biggest gripe about higdon plans. Its very heavily weighted towards the endurance piece of the puzzle. Which isn't a bad thing, per say.I'm on the intermediate 1 plan. I know Higdon doesn't want you to burn out, but it almost seems too cautious. Not doubting it or the plan, it just seems unrealistic. But what do I know?'17seconds said:I've never trained for a full but I'm doing Higdon Advanced for a half. Looked it up and it appears you are doing the Novice plan.'jb1020 said:The last 2 runs have been much colder. It makes sense I guess. One more thing regarding the Higdon marathon training....I was just looking over the plan this morning and noticed the longest pace run is only 8 miles, and out of an 18 week plan you only run 2 of them. I do still trust the plan, but it just seems to me if this guy wants me to maintain my marathon pace for 26.2 miles that a run of maybe 15 miles or so would be worked in somehow.Doesn't surprise me the pace workout limit is 8 miles, because the goal of that program is to finish the race and not burn out during training.
Sand
Footballguy
My pace really affects my pace - downward spiral.
---On another note my swimming is going well. Hit a 2:34 200 and another 6:59 500yd in the drag suit. The 2:34 is the best I can remember in a long time.
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pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
Regarding her =
Regarding him = I've been "that guy"
My bike times are considerably slower on colder days here, though they have also tended to be windier.
That's sick!2Young: Awsome week of work!!
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My update:
I was in Laredo (drug and murder capital of Texas) the last couple days on business, and am proud to say I survived. Wednesday night we had a function that had at least a dozen free tequilas to taste along with free margaritas, booze and beer. I took full advantage and imbibed to the fullest. Our group stumbled back to our hotel after midnight and a girl that I didn't even know followed me back to my room. She was doing shots with our group, and I must have been alcohol-enhanced as she literally just went right into my room with me. We had a pleasant couple hour workout, and I got a nap in before my 8:00 am presentation. She flippin' sat in the front row, and I realized that she was also somewhat alcohol enhanced. I had hoped to get a ride in last night, but I got back too late, and also didn't have the energy to get one in this morning. The original mini-van girl is coming over tonight, so I'm likely not going to be very rested for my Sunday race. I'm planning on getting a ride in tonight after work, and to spin for awhile on Saturday.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
liquors, liquors, liquors.
Sounds like you're getting plenty of rides in. How you can imbibe heavily and get little sleep before an 8 a.m. presentation is beyond me. I must be getting old. 
gruecd
Footballguy
So a mutual case of beer goggles, then?
P.S. I met a 20-something-year-old girl on Wednesday at the bar, and I'm meeting her tomorrow night for drinks and who knows what else. Unlike you, my drinking was under control, so I don't anticipate a similar phenomenon, but I'll let you know. 
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What's your wife think about this...or did I miss an update?So a mutual case of beer goggles, then?
You'll ride slower in colder weather because the air is denser.Regarding her =My bike times are considerably slower on colder days here, though they have also tended to be windier.That's sick!2Young: Awsome week of work!!
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My update:
I was in Laredo (drug and murder capital of Texas) the last couple days on business, and am proud to say I survived. Wednesday night we had a function that had at least a dozen free tequilas to taste along with free margaritas, booze and beer. I took full advantage and imbibed to the fullest. Our group stumbled back to our hotel after midnight and a girl that I didn't even know followed me back to my room. She was doing shots with our group, and I must have been alcohol-enhanced as she literally just went right into my room with me. We had a pleasant couple hour workout, and I got a nap in before my 8:00 am presentation. She flippin' sat in the front row, and I realized that she was also somewhat alcohol enhanced. I had hoped to get a ride in last night, but I got back too late, and also didn't have the energy to get one in this morning. The original mini-van girl is coming over tonight, so I'm likely not going to be very rested for my Sunday race. I'm planning on getting a ride in tonight after work, and to spin for awhile on Saturday.
Ned
Footballguy
gruecd
Footballguy
We're essentially separated. It's waaaaaay too complicated to try to explain on here.What's your wife think about this...or did I miss an update?So a mutual case of beer goggles, then?
2Young2BBald
Footbaldguy
The drive was probably way too short for him to consider making the trip.
gruecd
Footballguy
17seconds
root of all aliai
I've always lived in warm weather and I am horrible running in the cold. Did a morning run 2 days ago where it was in the 30s and it drove me nuts.I kick ### when it is sunny and 80 degrees. Love the sun and the warmth.
17seconds
root of all aliai
First time I'm doing Higdon and what I don't like about it is the lack of taper. A 15mi run 1 week before a half? Strength training during taper week? Don't like it. My body is telling me to take it easy after constant training since October. (I guess I trained several weeks longer than the Higdon plan, but still...)This was my biggest gripe about higdon plans. Its very heavily weighted towards the endurance piece of the puzzle. Which isn't a bad thing, per say.I'm on the intermediate 1 plan. I know Higdon doesn't want you to burn out, but it almost seems too cautious. Not doubting it or the plan, it just seems unrealistic. But what do I know?I've never trained for a full but I'm doing Higdon Advanced for a half. Looked it up and it appears you are doing the Novice plan.The last 2 runs have been much colder. It makes sense I guess. One more thing regarding the Higdon marathon training....I was just looking over the plan this morning and noticed the longest pace run is only 8 miles, and out of an 18 week plan you only run 2 of them. I do still trust the plan, but it just seems to me if this guy wants me to maintain my marathon pace for 26.2 miles that a run of maybe 15 miles or so would be worked in somehow.Doesn't surprise me the pace workout limit is 8 miles, because the goal of that program is to finish the race and not burn out during training.
Ned
Footballguy
Everyone's different and it also depends on your mileage base, but I think a one week taper is plenty for a HM. When's your race? It's soon, right?First time I'm doing Higdon and what I don't like about it is the lack of taper. A 15mi run 1 week before a half? Strength training during taper week? Don't like it. My body is telling me to take it easy after constant training since October. (I guess I trained several weeks longer than the Higdon plan, but still...)This was my biggest gripe about higdon plans. Its very heavily weighted towards the endurance piece of the puzzle. Which isn't a bad thing, per say.I'm on the intermediate 1 plan. I know Higdon doesn't want you to burn out, but it almost seems too cautious. Not doubting it or the plan, it just seems unrealistic. But what do I know?I've never trained for a full but I'm doing Higdon Advanced for a half. Looked it up and it appears you are doing the Novice plan.The last 2 runs have been much colder. It makes sense I guess. One more thing regarding the Higdon marathon training....I was just looking over the plan this morning and noticed the longest pace run is only 8 miles, and out of an 18 week plan you only run 2 of them. I do still trust the plan, but it just seems to me if this guy wants me to maintain my marathon pace for 26.2 miles that a run of maybe 15 miles or so would be worked in somehow.Doesn't surprise me the pace workout limit is 8 miles, because the goal of that program is to finish the race and not burn out during training.
17seconds
root of all aliai
Sunday.Tom Holland's HM plan has you taking every other day off and doing no weights for the last 3 weeks. I made my taper similar to Higdon but without weights and with no super long runs.Everyone's different and it also depends on your mileage base, but I think a one week taper is plenty for a HM. When's your race? It's soon, right?First time I'm doing Higdon and what I don't like about it is the lack of taper. A 15mi run 1 week before a half? Strength training during taper week? Don't like it. My body is telling me to take it easy after constant training since October. (I guess I trained several weeks longer than the Higdon plan, but still...)This was my biggest gripe about higdon plans. Its very heavily weighted towards the endurance piece of the puzzle. Which isn't a bad thing, per say.I'm on the intermediate 1 plan. I know Higdon doesn't want you to burn out, but it almost seems too cautious. Not doubting it or the plan, it just seems unrealistic. But what do I know?I've never trained for a full but I'm doing Higdon Advanced for a half. Looked it up and it appears you are doing the Novice plan.The last 2 runs have been much colder. It makes sense I guess. One more thing regarding the Higdon marathon training....I was just looking over the plan this morning and noticed the longest pace run is only 8 miles, and out of an 18 week plan you only run 2 of them. I do still trust the plan, but it just seems to me if this guy wants me to maintain my marathon pace for 26.2 miles that a run of maybe 15 miles or so would be worked in somehow.Doesn't surprise me the pace workout limit is 8 miles, because the goal of that program is to finish the race and not burn out during training.
My condolences or congrats depending on what makes you the happiest in life.Your comment really caught me off guard based upon your last update my months ago.We're essentially separated. It's waaaaaay too complicated to try to explain on here.What's your wife think about this...or did I miss an update?So a mutual case of beer goggles, then?
Hunter Allen, the biking power guru thinks people taper too much for longer events and not enough for shorter events. Freshness is more important than fitness for short events. Fitness is more important than freshness for longer events. He's had good results with this as a coach.Everyone's different and it also depends on your mileage base, but I think a one week taper is plenty for a HM. When's your race? It's soon, right?First time I'm doing Higdon and what I don't like about it is the lack of taper. A 15mi run 1 week before a half? Strength training during taper week? Don't like it. My body is telling me to take it easy after constant training since October. (I guess I trained several weeks longer than the Higdon plan, but still...)This was my biggest gripe about higdon plans. Its very heavily weighted towards the endurance piece of the puzzle. Which isn't a bad thing, per say.I'm on the intermediate 1 plan. I know Higdon doesn't want you to burn out, but it almost seems too cautious. Not doubting it or the plan, it just seems unrealistic. But what do I know?I've never trained for a full but I'm doing Higdon Advanced for a half. Looked it up and it appears you are doing the Novice plan.The last 2 runs have been much colder. It makes sense I guess. One more thing regarding the Higdon marathon training....I was just looking over the plan this morning and noticed the longest pace run is only 8 miles, and out of an 18 week plan you only run 2 of them. I do still trust the plan, but it just seems to me if this guy wants me to maintain my marathon pace for 26.2 miles that a run of maybe 15 miles or so would be worked in somehow.Doesn't surprise me the pace workout limit is 8 miles, because the goal of that program is to finish the race and not burn out during training.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Was expecting low 40s...woke up to windy and low 30s.
Little change in the wardrobe for the morning run.
10 miles today...with 5 tempo in there.
2 miles at around 9:35...then
8:47
8:48
8:41
8:52
8:43
Then 3 miles at around 9:39.
Felt good out there this morning for most of it...though, my right calf tightened up on me in the last 2 miles a bit.
Little change in the wardrobe for the morning run.
10 miles today...with 5 tempo in there.
2 miles at around 9:35...then
8:47
8:48
8:41
8:52
8:43
Then 3 miles at around 9:39.
Felt good out there this morning for most of it...though, my right calf tightened up on me in the last 2 miles a bit.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Tapering is one of those things that I think you should feel free to modify as you see fit, assuming you've had some experience and know how to listen to your body. For me personally, I would not want to run 15 miles the week before a half. An easy 10 would be fine, but 15 is a just a little too much. Other people would have no problems with this, but the bottom line is that that last 15 miler is not going to really do anything to help your race-day performance when it's that close to the race itself. I've always had good experiences with doing my last long run (15 or 16 or so) two weeks before a half, and then doing something intermediate (8-10) the week before. But that's just me.'17seconds said:
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Nice run. One bit of unsolicited advice though. Your "easy" miles and "tempo" miles are only about :45/mi apart. At least to me, that suggests that you're either doing your easy miles too hard or your hard miles too easy or both. When I do structured runs like this, there's more than a 2:00/mi difference in my paces -- the easy miles are in the neighborhood of 10:00/mi and the tempo miles are in the 7:45-8:00/mi range. Something to consider.
gruecd
Footballguy
I'd concur. My "General Aerobic" (GA) miles tend to be in the 8:00-8:15 range, and tempo for me is around 6:30 pace.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Part of it is my easy miles are a bit too fast (a problem I have slowing down lately).I can hold 9:30-9:45 pretty easy...slowing down strangely makes my form break down. I end up more sore slowing down at times for long distances. I can usually handle it for recovery runs...or even on the treadmill (not sure why this is) but running 10min/mile or slower outside is harder for me to accomplish. In addition, I could do those hard miles harder. Did mile repeats last week that were a bit faster (helps having the jogging break in between them rather than 4-5 miles straight at a pace).The 8:50 is what Im shooting for and feels quite comfortable as a goal race pace.
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Let your hr be the guide, not pace.
sho nuff
Footballguy
In a round about way, I do...but not by paying attention to HR. More to just how Im feeling as I run...looking at the numbers after the fact, my HR seems in line with how I was feeling at the time.
Ned
Footballguy
Tempo runs should be lactate threshold type runs which roughly equates to 15K to HM pacing. More accurately, according to Pfitz, it should be run at 82-91% of your Max HR. LT runs are most definitely not comfortable paces, so I'm betting you got more in you if you're truly that comfortable. Just food for thought.
And this applies in reverse on slow runs. I'll often feel comfortable in zone 2 and have to dial the pace back to the point I feel like I'm shuffling to get into zone 1. If you run in this hr zone area your body becomes more adapt to running a faster pace in zone 1.
Ned
Footballguy
Had a good light recovery week following Sunday's race. It was probably too light, considering how fresh I felt.
Tue - 3mi recovery. Wasn't going to run, but my sister asked me to run with her. I couldn't refuse. I think this may be the second time that I can ever remember running with her in my life. Way cool. 11:47/128
Wed - 5mi recovery. This turned into a GA type run as I pushed the pace too much even though my HR was kept in check. I was shocked at how fresh I felt. 9:22/147
Thur - 7mi GA. Felt pretty strong here too. HR was at the top end of GA, but still a good run overall. 9:00/157
Sat - Had to bag a 5mi recovery due to snow/ice storm.
Sun - 12mi MLR. I planned this to be my first trail run of the cycle, but with the ice/snow from yesterday it just wasn't going to happen. Since I was going to miss out on the hilly trails and given the icy conditions, I decided to do a bunch of repeats on our main road. They plowed it well so the shoulder was clear. 9 hill repeats in this set and I felt great. Even with the hill repeats, my HR was still well under control. It was cold and windy. So cold that I had ice in my beard and ice across the back of my jacket. 9:37/152
Tue - 3mi recovery. Wasn't going to run, but my sister asked me to run with her. I couldn't refuse. I think this may be the second time that I can ever remember running with her in my life. Way cool.
11:47/128Wed - 5mi recovery. This turned into a GA type run as I pushed the pace too much even though my HR was kept in check. I was shocked at how fresh I felt. 9:22/147
Thur - 7mi GA. Felt pretty strong here too. HR was at the top end of GA, but still a good run overall. 9:00/157
Sat - Had to bag a 5mi recovery due to snow/ice storm.
Sun - 12mi MLR. I planned this to be my first trail run of the cycle, but with the ice/snow from yesterday it just wasn't going to happen. Since I was going to miss out on the hilly trails and given the icy conditions, I decided to do a bunch of repeats on our main road. They plowed it well so the shoulder was clear. 9 hill repeats in this set and I felt great. Even with the hill repeats, my HR was still well under control. It was cold and windy. So cold that I had ice in my beard and ice across the back of my jacket. 9:37/152
sho nuff
Footballguy
I thought about that the moment I said comfortable in there...but reading fully, comfortable as a goal race pace.As in, its a pace that taxes me, but I feel I can hold it for a 13.1 distance on race day...I don't feel after 5 miles of it that there is no way I could sustain the pace.Looking at the data...the one time I did a test for max HR months ago I had it at 187 I believe (need to find where I had those runs in there).During the 5 miles of "tempo" yesterday I was in the 162-168 range. 168 would be at 90% of max.'Ned said:
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
50 miles this week ...all at a relaxed pace (usually around 8:25-30/mile).
M: 11 miles (MLK holiday)
W: 2 mile recovery (squeezed in on a busy morning)
Th: 8 miles
F: 5 miles (6 degrees - brr!)
Sa: 9 miles (lots of high stepping in the Yak Trax after 6" of snow the night before)
Su: 15 miles
Hope to do the same next week, then another recovery week. In the cycle after that I'll start adding intervals and tempo work.
M: 11 miles (MLK holiday)
W: 2 mile recovery (squeezed in on a busy morning)
Th: 8 miles
F: 5 miles (6 degrees - brr!)
Sa: 9 miles (lots of high stepping in the Yak Trax after 6" of snow the night before)
Su: 15 miles
Hope to do the same next week, then another recovery week. In the cycle after that I'll start adding intervals and tempo work.
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
ShoNuff: When Grue "concurs" people listen
Unsure?!I must be getting old.
...my guess is that her drinking might have been under control which is why you needed date/meeting #2So a mutual case of beer goggles, then?
P.S. I met a 20-something-year-old girl on Wednesday at the bar, and I'm meeting her tomorrow night for drinks and who knows what else. Unlike you, my drinking was under control, so I don't anticipate a similar phenomenon, but I'll let you know.
no ####!
Ahhhhh!
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pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
It's been more than 14 months, but I'm finally writing a RACE REPORT!!
This morning I raced in the Frostbike 50, a 55 mile ride outside of flat as hell Houston. I got to bed by 10:00 last night after having two almost all-nighters in 2 of the 3 previous days (I'm aging fast right now TriMan). I was sound asleep almost as soon as I hit my pillow, but my dog went ape-#### at 1:15 and needed attention. My best guess is that he saw an armadillo, a shadow or a bug. My alarm went off what seemed to be seconds later at 5:40. I checked the weather, made some peanut butter toast, had an excellent bm, applied butt butter and got dressed and out the door be 6:10 feeling pretty good about myself. Five miles down the road I realized I still had my water bottles in my fridge at home so I turned around, got them, and drove a bit faster than expected.
I arrived at the 8:00 race at 7:25. The temp for the start of the race was 62, with 12 mph winds, and 67 and 20 mph winds at the end.
I went to the restroom, registered and went back to the restroom before getting my bike ready for "Go Time." They announced that the race would be starting :05 late, so I went to the bathroom again, and found my place at the starting line (Damn it felt awesome!!!!!) with no more than 10 racers in front of me. At the gun we headed out single file, as the first half mile had at least 10 speed bumps (WTF?). I didn't hit my Garmin until we got out of the parking lot and it was game on! With multiple stop lights and intersections, the first six miles were methodical and slow into a side wind (18.6, 17.9, 19.0, 19.6, 21.1, 21.5). I was positioned at the front of the peloton, and told myself that the only way I wouldn't be in the top 5 would be if I blew up (a very possible outcome).
The speed ramped up slightly over the next 5 (still a side wind), and the posers started to drop (22.6, 22.2, 22.2, 23.0, 22.5). We now had likely less than 40 in the lead group, and it was Go Time, as we caught a down wind for most of the next 11 miles. The pace was fast, but not difficult (26.6, 26.9, 26.6, 26.3, 26.9, 26.6, 26.3, 26.9, 22.7, 22.6, 26.1, 28.2, 25.7). This stretch had 2 hanky moments. Right at mile 17 there was a rest stop, and the fidiot who was pulling went into the rest stop. I was 4th in line, and the two in front of me (2 strongest riders by far) took off, trying to drop the peloton. I worked my ### off with my heart rate hitting 184 (way to soon for that ####!) to catch them by pulling four others with me. We had 7 for a couple miles before dropping 1 at mile 20. I was feeling really good about the six that were left as the two strong riders were taking long pulls, and I was taking medium ones, with the others not really doing much.
All that was going great ended abruptly between miles 22 and 23. The two strong riders turned left as the rest of us turned right as they were only riding 45 miles, not the full 55 = Fudge! We now lost the down wind, and were down to 4...and not a strong 4. I'm now pretty certain this is going to blow up, I just don't know when. I took a full mile pull (23.1), then the next guy did a full mile (21.1), and the next two did less than half mile pulls (21.5), I took over for another one (22.1), than the other guy did one (22.1) then the bastages both did less than a tenth of a mile. I said F that and put the hammer down for a 24.2 (I did half the mile, other guy did a half) and we dropped the other two after mile 27. We were now just 2 at the freaking halfway point.
The two of us worked really well together for 9 miles (28-36) taking equal pulls, and encouraging each other (20.9, 22.6, 21.3, 20.7, 20.2, 22.5, 23.4, 21.6, 21.4). Before mile 37 the other guy pulled up next to me and said he needed the rest stop, and I thought about stopping with him for a second but didn't want to post in here that I had to stop = I was now the lone wolf! The super sucky part was that the last 18 were now mostly right into the wind that was getting stronger. I now was focused on not letting anybody pass me. I looked back every .5 miles, and kept my feet pedaling. Miles 37-45 were very lonely (except for some 45 milers that I was passing) and mostly into the wind (19.2, 17.7, 17.2, 19.7, 18.0, 19.5, 18.3, 20.2, 20.1). During this stretch my HR stayed in the mid to upper 160's, and I felt darn comfortable. The last rest stop was at mile 46'ish and I loved riding right by it. I went less than a block past it where the road forked and there was no sign for which way to turn. I quickly u-turned and went back toward the rest stop and asked a cop directing traffic which way to turn (without stopping) and he didn't know. A race Marshall passed and I took off to catch him. He turned right and I asked him if he knew for sure if it was right and he said he didn't = Roh Roh! Luckily less than a tenth of a mile up the road a 45 miler was coming back at us and said to go back the other way. Another u-turn and I was back at it. From here forward there was literally no signs (found out when we got in, that somebody stole most of the last signs as a likely prank (sick *******!).
Miles 46-49 were darn confusing with poor signage (17.6, 18.0, 19.1, 18.8). I caught up (thankfully) with a 45 miler who had a Garmin 500 with GPS and he was struggling, but knew where to go! We plugged along with a 15.5 and a 15.7 before my buddy who stopped at mile 47 joined us! The two of us pulled the other guy along at a slow pace as there were multiple turns but ZERO signs. We did a 19.3 and a 19.6 for miles 53 and 54, and I forgot to turn my Garmin off while coasting to my car for an 11.6 recorded last lap which was just .34 miles.
In all it was 54.34 miles in 2:36:57. Average pace was 2:53 (20.8 MPH), AVE HR was 165 (darn low for me!) and MAX HR was 184 (while chasing down the breakaway. My HR never hit 180 after mile 19.
The race organizers were ecstatic to see us as the 45 milers weren't in yet and they were getting worried. Without GPS dood, I'd likely still be out there. I got my bike put away, and a couple of slices in my belly, before the two strong riders that did the 45 came in. They had European accents and let the pizza-giving volunteers know how awful they were for having no signage coming in. They were just the start of many others who were quite displeased.
Thanks again Garmin Dood!
P.S. I now need a full GPS Garmin.
This morning I raced in the Frostbike 50, a 55 mile ride outside of flat as hell Houston. I got to bed by 10:00 last night after having two almost all-nighters in 2 of the 3 previous days (I'm aging fast right now TriMan). I was sound asleep almost as soon as I hit my pillow, but my dog went ape-#### at 1:15 and needed attention. My best guess is that he saw an armadillo, a shadow or a bug. My alarm went off what seemed to be seconds later at 5:40. I checked the weather, made some peanut butter toast, had an excellent bm, applied butt butter and got dressed and out the door be 6:10 feeling pretty good about myself. Five miles down the road I realized I still had my water bottles in my fridge at home so I turned around, got them, and drove a bit faster than expected.
I arrived at the 8:00 race at 7:25. The temp for the start of the race was 62, with 12 mph winds, and 67 and 20 mph winds at the end.
I went to the restroom, registered and went back to the restroom before getting my bike ready for "Go Time." They announced that the race would be starting :05 late, so I went to the bathroom again, and found my place at the starting line (Damn it felt awesome!!!!!) with no more than 10 racers in front of me. At the gun we headed out single file, as the first half mile had at least 10 speed bumps (WTF?). I didn't hit my Garmin until we got out of the parking lot and it was game on! With multiple stop lights and intersections, the first six miles were methodical and slow into a side wind (18.6, 17.9, 19.0, 19.6, 21.1, 21.5). I was positioned at the front of the peloton, and told myself that the only way I wouldn't be in the top 5 would be if I blew up (a very possible outcome).
The speed ramped up slightly over the next 5 (still a side wind), and the posers started to drop (22.6, 22.2, 22.2, 23.0, 22.5). We now had likely less than 40 in the lead group, and it was Go Time, as we caught a down wind for most of the next 11 miles. The pace was fast, but not difficult (26.6, 26.9, 26.6, 26.3, 26.9, 26.6, 26.3, 26.9, 22.7, 22.6, 26.1, 28.2, 25.7). This stretch had 2 hanky moments. Right at mile 17 there was a rest stop, and the fidiot who was pulling went into the rest stop. I was 4th in line, and the two in front of me (2 strongest riders by far) took off, trying to drop the peloton. I worked my ### off with my heart rate hitting 184 (way to soon for that ####!) to catch them by pulling four others with me. We had 7 for a couple miles before dropping 1 at mile 20. I was feeling really good about the six that were left as the two strong riders were taking long pulls, and I was taking medium ones, with the others not really doing much.
All that was going great ended abruptly between miles 22 and 23. The two strong riders turned left as the rest of us turned right as they were only riding 45 miles, not the full 55 = Fudge! We now lost the down wind, and were down to 4...and not a strong 4. I'm now pretty certain this is going to blow up, I just don't know when. I took a full mile pull (23.1), then the next guy did a full mile (21.1), and the next two did less than half mile pulls (21.5), I took over for another one (22.1), than the other guy did one (22.1) then the bastages both did less than a tenth of a mile. I said F that and put the hammer down for a 24.2 (I did half the mile, other guy did a half) and we dropped the other two after mile 27. We were now just 2 at the freaking halfway point.
The two of us worked really well together for 9 miles (28-36) taking equal pulls, and encouraging each other (20.9, 22.6, 21.3, 20.7, 20.2, 22.5, 23.4, 21.6, 21.4). Before mile 37 the other guy pulled up next to me and said he needed the rest stop, and I thought about stopping with him for a second but didn't want to post in here that I had to stop = I was now the lone wolf! The super sucky part was that the last 18 were now mostly right into the wind that was getting stronger. I now was focused on not letting anybody pass me. I looked back every .5 miles, and kept my feet pedaling. Miles 37-45 were very lonely (except for some 45 milers that I was passing) and mostly into the wind (19.2, 17.7, 17.2, 19.7, 18.0, 19.5, 18.3, 20.2, 20.1). During this stretch my HR stayed in the mid to upper 160's, and I felt darn comfortable. The last rest stop was at mile 46'ish and I loved riding right by it. I went less than a block past it where the road forked and there was no sign for which way to turn. I quickly u-turned and went back toward the rest stop and asked a cop directing traffic which way to turn (without stopping) and he didn't know. A race Marshall passed and I took off to catch him. He turned right and I asked him if he knew for sure if it was right and he said he didn't = Roh Roh! Luckily less than a tenth of a mile up the road a 45 miler was coming back at us and said to go back the other way. Another u-turn and I was back at it. From here forward there was literally no signs (found out when we got in, that somebody stole most of the last signs as a likely prank (sick *******!).
Miles 46-49 were darn confusing with poor signage (17.6, 18.0, 19.1, 18.8). I caught up (thankfully) with a 45 miler who had a Garmin 500 with GPS and he was struggling, but knew where to go! We plugged along with a 15.5 and a 15.7 before my buddy who stopped at mile 47 joined us! The two of us pulled the other guy along at a slow pace as there were multiple turns but ZERO signs. We did a 19.3 and a 19.6 for miles 53 and 54, and I forgot to turn my Garmin off while coasting to my car for an 11.6 recorded last lap which was just .34 miles.
In all it was 54.34 miles in 2:36:57. Average pace was 2:53 (20.8 MPH), AVE HR was 165 (darn low for me!) and MAX HR was 184 (while chasing down the breakaway. My HR never hit 180 after mile 19.
The race organizers were ecstatic to see us as the 45 milers weren't in yet and they were getting worried. Without GPS dood, I'd likely still be out there. I got my bike put away, and a couple of slices in my belly, before the two strong riders that did the 45 came in. They had European accents and let the pizza-giving volunteers know how awful they were for having no signage coming in. They were just the start of many others who were quite displeased.
Thanks again Garmin Dood!
P.S. I now need a full GPS Garmin.
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Ned
Footballguy
So did you win this thing overall?! It was interesting to see how much teamwork is involved with your competitors. I never would've guessed that so much went into it, but I guess thinking back it makes sense from a wind perspective.
I can certainly feel for both the riders and the organizers on the arrowing fiasco. I was part of a club when I raced enduros and we had many battles with our tree hugging friends. They'd pull arrows, booby trap trails, etc. Not cool.
Glad to see you back at it!
I can certainly feel for both the riders and the organizers on the arrowing fiasco. I was part of a club when I raced enduros and we had many battles with our tree hugging friends. They'd pull arrows, booby trap trails, etc. Not cool.
Glad to see you back at it!
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Same here. That was an interesting read. Nice race.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
liquors - fantastic report! Very odd about the missing signage ...frustrating for the racers, too, of course. Sand, I guess we'd better get a new 'podium' spreadsheet started for 2012!!!
jb1020
Footballguy
Intermediate 1 called for 15 miles the week before the scheduled HM. It worried me a bit, but everything seemed to work out just fine. I'm looking forward to my taper runs. Here's what I have left.... 20, 12, 20, 12, 8 then the marathon. Can't come soon enough.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Great stuff PSL.
Looking at a bit of an unscheduled rest day/maybe bike day.
My right calf is still pretty sore today...going to do some work with the foam roller and maybe a few on the bike and just take a day off of the pounding on the legs today.
Not sure what kind of wind we have yet today either after the storms blew through last night.
Nothing like tornado warnings between 1 and 2:30 am.
Looking at a bit of an unscheduled rest day/maybe bike day.
My right calf is still pretty sore today...going to do some work with the foam roller and maybe a few on the bike and just take a day off of the pounding on the legs today.
Not sure what kind of wind we have yet today either after the storms blew through last night.
Nothing like tornado warnings between 1 and 2:30 am.
Ned
Footballguy
Wow time's flying. How are you feeling? If I remember right, this should be your first 20?
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