Yeah, get the hell off the treadmill. Those things are injuries waiting to happen.On a treadmill, what kind of pattern would you suggest for HIIT? Right now I'll Jog for 1/4 mile then sprint for a 1/4 and so on for a couple miles. Or I'll do something like jog for a .10 mile then full sprint for .15. I'm basically just winging it. Any suggestions?
thanks for posting this! i tried some of the things from the video yesterday and felt really good. it felt like i ran the same pace without as much effortI saw this youtube video which has been helpful to me: running form. Particularly helpful has been the part at 0:15-0:25 showing how to run with relaxed arms. I actually do that now during my run when I start feeling tense. Swing my arms loosely at the shoulders then bring them up.
Peer pressure. Went and did a hard 5 miler. 7:49s are all I got, boys.I did 5 miles at 7:11/mile yesterday.I callYeah - I ain't doing 7:20s for a 5 miler in practice. I'll implode.Ummm, you do realize that means 45 seconds SLOWER THAN 5K pace, right? That being said, I say 15K-HM pace for tempo runs, but I guess that's in the same ballpark.Maybe it is just me, but no effin' way I can do 5-8 miles at 5k-45 in practice.. Man up.
Suck it up, speedy. If I can do 7:40s, you sure as hell can do 7:20s.
Try to keep up, Mr.:02.
In general, better to keep the recoveries to a shorter distance than the intervals, otherwise you're spending more time on recovery, rather than the sprints. After each 1/4 mile, give yourself an easy 1-1:30 of time before the next. If you're too tired to go again, you're probably sprinting too fast. I never use a treadmill, but I agree with gruecd - that's a scary place to do speed work!On a treadmill, what kind of pattern would you suggest for HIIT? Right now I'll Jog for 1/4 mile then sprint for a 1/4 and so on for a couple miles. Or I'll do something like jog for a .10 mile then full sprint for .15. I'm basically just winging it. Any suggestions?
i havent quite gotten used to cold weather running yet.In general, better to keep the recoveries to a shorter distance than the intervals, otherwise you're spending more time on recovery, rather than the sprints. After each 1/4 mile, give yourself an easy 1-1:30 of time before the next. If you're too tired to go again, you're probably sprinting too fast. I never use a treadmill, but I agree with gruecd - that's a scary place to do speed work!On a treadmill, what kind of pattern would you suggest for HIIT? Right now I'll Jog for 1/4 mile then sprint for a 1/4 and so on for a couple miles. Or I'll do something like jog for a .10 mile then full sprint for .15. I'm basically just winging it. Any suggestions?
Good luck!30k tomorrow. Ugh...after all this marathon training, my legs feel dead. Hopefully that race adrenaline will work miracles tomorrow.
Understandable. It takes a while to find the right balance of clothing when the temp drops ...layers of clothing, appropriate cap, gloves, etc.--A good 6 miles this a.m. ..extended warm-up, then 2 miles @ 6:48/mile! If I can find another 8-9 seconds per mile and extend it a bit further, I could start my season (April 1) right where I left off last October. Speed >> endurance.i havent quite gotten used to cold weather running yet.

That is definitely NOT what she said.Speed >> endurance.
Just run. If this is your first 5K, the main thing is just logging 3-4 miles at a time, 3-4 times a week. Maybe have one run each week that goes a little longer, and one day where you do your HIIT. But for somebody who's relatively new to running, you'll get the biggest return just from building your mileage base.signed up for my first race ever (outside of warrior dash)! 4/15 naperville, il 5kany tips for training? i have worked my way up to 4 miles in 34:45what sort of schedule should i have? have never "trained" for a race before.
Yep. Don't worry about speed, tempo runs, or any of that (i.e. don't try and set a PR on every run). Just run. Good buddy of mine upped his mileage to 40+/wk. for the last many months. He took his half marathon PR down 3 minutes to 1:25. Just from volume.Just run. If this is your first 5K, the main thing is just logging 3-4 miles at a time, 3-4 times a week. Maybe have one run each week that goes a little longer, and one day where you do your HIIT. But for somebody who's relatively new to running, you'll get the biggest return just from building your mileage base.signed up for my first race ever (outside of warrior dash)! 4/15 naperville, il 5kany tips for training? i have worked my way up to 4 miles in 34:45what sort of schedule should i have? have never "trained" for a race before.
Yep. Don't worry about speed, tempo runs, or any of that (i.e. don't try and set a PR on every run). Just run. Good buddy of mine upped his mileage to 40+/wk. for the last many months. He took his half marathon PR down 3 minutes to 1:25. Just from volume.Just run. If this is your first 5K, the main thing is just logging 3-4 miles at a time, 3-4 times a week. Maybe have one run each week that goes a little longer, and one day where you do your HIIT. But for somebody who's relatively new to running, you'll get the biggest return just from building your mileage base.signed up for my first race ever (outside of warrior dash)! 4/15 naperville, il 5kany tips for training? i have worked my way up to 4 miles in 34:45what sort of schedule should i have? have never "trained" for a race before.
Last year I dropped my 5K from 24 to 21 just by increased volume (thanks to marathon training) and zero speed work. Until you build a solid endurance foundation, volume is king.Yes, yes, build your volume. But speed is productive and fun, too ...Hill training is good to strengthen the legs. Interval (speed) work is good to quicken the pace and build a better kick. You have a good pace already. See if you can work in some hills and intervals. Are you in Naperville, and can you find a route with some hills or rolling terrain? Any tracks nearby for intervals? I would recommend doing some intervals once a week (other than an occasional recovery week) ...do some repeat 1/4s or 1/2s ...maybe some mile repeats. It's also good to do some long, slow runs (part of the endurance issue). It could be helpful to build up to, say, 10 miles so that your legs learn to handle the fatigue (and your mind learns to think "3 miles is nothing"). Build a schedule that incorporates a little of everything (also some tempo runs). 2-3 weeks of solid training, then a recovery week to heal. Rinse, repeat.FYI, I'm in Oak Park.signed up for my first race ever (outside of warrior dash)! 4/15 naperville, il 5kany tips for training? i have worked my way up to 4 miles in 34:45what sort of schedule should i have? have never "trained" for a race before.
Always impressive!I hit the track for speed work this morning - sets of 400m and 200m.Another 3k swim in the books. 22k on the month.
Thanks for the tips everyone. I'm actually in Shorewood, which is near Joliet. The Naperville seemed far enough away for meto get some good training in.'tri-man 47 said:Yes, yes, build your volume. But speed is productive and fun, too ...Hill training is good to strengthen the legs. Interval (speed) work is good to quicken the pace and build a better kick. You have a good pace already. See if you can work in some hills and intervals. Are you in Naperville, and can you find a route with some hills or rolling terrain? Any tracks nearby for intervals? I would recommend doing some intervals once a week (other than an occasional recovery week) ...do some repeat 1/4s or 1/2s ...maybe some mile repeats. It's also good to do some long, slow runs (part of the endurance issue). It could be helpful to build up to, say, 10 miles so that your legs learn to handle the fatigue (and your mind learns to think "3 miles is nothing"). Build a schedule that incorporates a little of everything (also some tempo runs). 2-3 weeks of solid training, then a recovery week to heal. Rinse, repeat.FYI, I'm in Oak Park.signed up for my first race ever (outside of warrior dash)! 4/15 naperville, il 5kany tips for training? i have worked my way up to 4 miles in 34:45what sort of schedule should i have? have never "trained" for a race before.
Cap (which has my MP3 player). For really cold I'll also throw on a skullcap to cover my ears.------What do you guys where on your head for these cold weather runs?
Awesome week!!! That's a lot of hours for February training.Annyong, when it's below 30, I wear a skullcap (made for runners with wicking material). I wear some light running gloves even when the temp is up in the 40's. What helps in the cold weather is to run into the wind for the first half of the run. The second half is better, then, with the wind at the back (today was a good example with a brisk north wind). Do you try to run in the forest preserves there in Shorewood? They might have some undulating trails. I really enjoy Waterfall Glen, which is a 9 1/2 mile gravel trail surrounding Argonne Labs further up I-55.Cap (which has my MP3 player). For really cold I'll also throw on a skullcap to cover my ears.------What do you guys where on your head for these cold weather runs?
Since today has turned into a nasty mess (this morning was awesome), looks like my week is in the books:
Swim - 10,000 yds
Run - 22 miles
Bike - 40.5 miles
8.5 hours total. The bike ride was just about enough to bury me. I was not prepared for an effort of that magnitude.
How cold?I have varying degrees (the baldy in me).Today it was 40...just a ballcap type running hat. Keeps the sun off the eyes.A little colder (20s and 30s...wore it even last week with 24* and 11* windchill) and I picked up a headsweats midcap. Keeps the ears warm, has a great sweat wicking band on it, and vented enough on top to not overheat.Colder and I go with the nike fleece headband that is thicker for the ears and I have an under armor skull cap that I wear so that the top of the head does not get too hot.If it gets really cold I have a fleece like Balaclava but its been so warm I have not needed it yet.Oh, and I took the no treadmill advice and just got back from a nice little run outside. Unusually warm today so I took advantage. Didn't even think about distance or speed. I just ran. My legs felt great. What do you guys where on your head for these cold weather runs?
I never wear hats. Can't stand them.Oh, and I took the no treadmill advice and just got back from a nice little run outside. Unusually warm today so I took advantage. Didn't even think about distance or speed. I just ran. My legs felt great. What do you guys where on your head for these cold weather runs?
I usually just wear a cap that covers my head and ears. You'll want something that's relatively windproof, but any running or sporting goods store should sell something like this.When it's really cold, like single digits or below, I have a fleece headbag/balaclava thing that you can adjust so it covers your nose and mouth or leaves them exposed. Frostbite is a really serious issue when it gets that cold, so you want as little exposed skin as possible, especially if there's any sort of breeze. Even a very light wind is brutal when you get down to zero or below.What do you guys where on your head for these cold weather runs?
Absolutely - that 5-6 mile hump is a big one (no pun intended). ----Congrats to Mrs. Ned. As you know, getting over the 5-6 mile hurdle is big. Here's hoping you cash in on her temporary euphoria.![]()
2:24 Oh man, my legs were dead after about 15...that last 5k was a grind. Time to get some rest and run 20+ next saturday. Man, I can't wait to start tapering. :weary:30k tomorrow. Ugh...after all this marathon training, my legs feel dead. Hopefully that race adrenaline will work miracles tomorrow.
OK! You got through that one. 30K in 2:24? That would be ..fast! You're doing what you need to do - break down the muscles and let them heal stronger. That taper will feel good! ...except for the taper madness, of course.2:24 Oh man, my legs were dead after about 15...that last 5k was a grind. Time to get some rest and run 20+ next saturday. Man, I can't wait to start tapering. :weary:30k tomorrow. Ugh...after all this marathon training, my legs feel dead. Hopefully that race adrenaline will work miracles tomorrow.
Yeah, overall I was pretty happy with my time but it was still humbling to fade so hard at the end. Makes me worry what my body is gonna feel like at the end of the marathon.OK! You got through that one. 30K in 2:24? That would be ..fast! You're doing what you need to do - break down the muscles and let them heal stronger. That taper will feel good! ...except for the taper madness, of course.2:24 Oh man, my legs were dead after about 15...that last 5k was a grind. Time to get some rest and run 20+ next saturday. Man, I can't wait to start tapering. :weary:30k tomorrow. Ugh...after all this marathon training, my legs feel dead. Hopefully that race adrenaline will work miracles tomorrow.
What time are you aiming for in the marathon?Yeah, overall I was pretty happy with my time but it was still humbling to fade so hard at the end. Makes me worry what my body is gonna feel like at the end of the marathon.OK! You got through that one. 30K in 2:24? That would be ..fast! You're doing what you need to do - break down the muscles and let them heal stronger. That taper will feel good! ...except for the taper madness, of course.2:24 Oh man, my legs were dead after about 15...that last 5k was a grind. Time to get some rest and run 20+ next saturday. Man, I can't wait to start tapering. :weary:30k tomorrow. Ugh...after all this marathon training, my legs feel dead. Hopefully that race adrenaline will work miracles tomorrow.
3:30What time are you aiming for in the marathon?Yeah, overall I was pretty happy with my time but it was still humbling to fade so hard at the end. Makes me worry what my body is gonna feel like at the end of the marathon.OK! You got through that one. 30K in 2:24? That would be ..fast! You're doing what you need to do - break down the muscles and let them heal stronger. That taper will feel good! ...except for the taper madness, of course.2:24 Oh man, my legs were dead after about 15...that last 5k was a grind. Time to get some rest and run 20+ next saturday. Man, I can't wait to start tapering. :weary:30k tomorrow. Ugh...after all this marathon training, my legs feel dead. Hopefully that race adrenaline will work miracles tomorrow.
Great weekend of work, and that ride looks pretty brutal, especially miles 33-38. LOL at Pavlov's dog. I hate missing a breakaway, and love being the one that starts one to drop slackers. I love people that try to grab my wheel. If they do it well, I feel confident they can help me later.
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I'm heading to the rec center in :10 to get 6 in on the elliptical.Just be careful, man. You sound just like I did going in to my first. Aside from getting dealt a crappy hand, weather wise, I think I went in over confident and it bit me hard on my first. Have mucho respect for 26.2 or she'll chew you up and spit you out.I'm like Ned, can't shake this cold and I'm sure Saturday did me no favors. I tried to beat the wall of rain on the radar, but failed. It was about a 48 degree downpour 2 miles into 12.I felt pretty damn good though, kinda separated myself from the "Plan" for the first time. I started out shooting for my 10:45 pace, but said to hell with it. I was feeling pretty good. Miles 1-6 1:04Miles 7-12 57:43HR 140Those last 6 miles felt great. While I really have no fear of not finishing I do have a fear of being about to keep a decent pace for 26.2. While the obvious goal is to finish, I do still want to put up a good time. I'm thinking 4:15. The McMillian calculator has me at 4:13.
You don't have influenza, or you'd be knocked on your ### and not even contemplating running. You most likely just have a cold. 8 easy miles with a cold is no big deal.Edit: Feel free to skip the strides.In a tough spot with training right now. Wife is recovering from laproscopic surgery last Friday, 5yo son is the sickest he's ever been in his life, and I feel like I'm getting the flu.Ran 7.5 yesterday on weak legs, and going to try and do 5-8 today depending how I feel. Supposed to be doing 8 with some 100m strides.
Great weekend all. Good work all around.---------------I finished out a really strong week for me. I was able to finally get in all 6 days of running in and I felt prett good overall. 67 miles total for me which is the most that I have done in a week in over a year and a half.Friday I went out and did 11 at work. No big deal. Extended my lunch and got in a really good run.On Saturday, I had one of the cooler experiences that I have had running in along time. I went out and pushed my son for 7 miles. It was just fun to be able to take him out. It was warm enough and everyone else in the house was going to sleep so I took the off chance that he would sleep and I took him with me. It was a bit tougher than I expected, but I figure that the resistance training would help me a bit.On Sunday I went out and did my scheduled 21 miler. Legs were a bit mroe tired than I would have expected (probably from pushing the stroller the day before for an hour), but I made it through averaging 8:52 for the entire set of miles. Decent run overall and completed a pretty good week for me.Yesterday was a SDO and today I am supposed to do a morning recovery run and an evening recovery run. We will see about getting both in, but definitely will get one of them in.Have a great day all.
Those strollers can be like pushing a sailboat sometimes.Great weekend all. Good work all around.---------------I finished out a really strong week for me. I was able to finally get in all 6 days of running in and I felt prett good overall. 67 miles total for me which is the most that I have done in a week in over a year and a half.Friday I went out and did 11 at work. No big deal. Extended my lunch and got in a really good run.On Saturday, I had one of the cooler experiences that I have had running in along time. I went out and pushed my son for 7 miles. It was just fun to be able to take him out. It was warm enough and everyone else in the house was going to sleep so I took the off chance that he would sleep and I took him with me. It was a bit tougher than I expected, but I figure that the resistance training would help me a bit.On Sunday I went out and did my scheduled 21 miler. Legs were a bit mroe tired than I would have expected (probably from pushing the stroller the day before for an hour), but I made it through averaging 8:52 for the entire set of miles. Decent run overall and completed a pretty good week for me.Yesterday was a SDO and today I am supposed to do a morning recovery run and an evening recovery run. We will see about getting both in, but definitely will get one of them in.Have a great day all.