Ran a 10k in June (5 Viewers)

[IvanKaramazov]

Last year when I started this running thing...running a mile hurt.Trying to run a 9 minute mile really hurt.Fast forward to march and I managed a 1:54 half marathon and am going for a full marathon this december.Everyone start's somewhere.Biggest thing is how much have you run to try building up to 8 miles?How much do you run in a week.Id say start out slower. 10:30 may be right for you for those long slower runs (I run my long runs at anywhere from 9:50-10:20 depending on what I am doing.

Typically I run 3-4 miles T&Th and then some distance on Saturday. On my off days I get in some cardio but I've been trying to concentrate on speed work rather than distance. I typically don't have a lot of time on the off days as I lift so I have about 15 minutes to jam in a mile & a half or so.

I'm a firm believer in beginners doing zero speed work. Its all about building the foundation first, which is all endurance based. Aside from that, you're opening yourself up for injury by doing speed work first since you're body isn't accustomed to the demand you put on it by running fast. Comfortably numb is a great example of what you can do when you focus on that foundation first...Each run should be done at a comfortable 'conversational' pace. If you can't carry a conversation, then you're running too fast. It's going to take some getting used to, but trust it. Put in a couple of months of solid slow distance, and you'll be amazed at how quickly your body adapts. Keep on posting your workouts here. There's a huge array of experience to lean on here.

This is excellent advice. When you're first starting out, the easiest way to get faster is by just building endurance. It seems paradoxical, but you'll make the biggest gains by just logging a larger volume of slow, easy miles. Even very experienced runners do the large majority of their miles at an easy pace.

 

[sho nuff]

Last year when I started this running thing...running a mile hurt.Trying to run a 9 minute mile really hurt.Fast forward to march and I managed a 1:54 half marathon and am going for a full marathon this december.Everyone start's somewhere.Biggest thing is how much have you run to try building up to 8 miles?How much do you run in a week.Id say start out slower. 10:30 may be right for you for those long slower runs (I run my long runs at anywhere from 9:50-10:20 depending on what I am doing.

Typically I run 3-4 miles T&Th and then some distance on Saturday. On my off days I get in some cardio but I've been trying to concentrate on speed work rather than distance. I typically don't have a lot of time on the off days as I lift so I have about 15 minutes to jam in a mile & a half or so.

While I somewhat echo what Ivan and Ned have said about speed work...I also know I enjoyed a little bit of it while starting out. One reason I enjoy the intervals is some of the intensity of it and how it does do well when trying to lose some weight if that is what you are going for.But I do agree that building your base up right now is important.If you are only running 3-4 miles twice a week, then trying an 8 miler will be a bit tough even building up to that. When your long run is 50% or more of your weekly mileage you do open yourself up to injuries as well.Id almost hold at 6-7 miles on the long run and trying to add a little more to the weekly runs first. Get them up close to 5 a piece if you can. (I know sometimes time constraints make that hard...even if you at first just add a half mile or 5 or so minutes to a run...in the long run it will help IMO).That...or add another day of running. Call it a recovery run day...some slow miles (like slower than you think sometimes...with what you laid out at your paces Id say 10:45-11:00 min mile pace for 3-4 miles). Helps the legs tremendously and adds to that base mileage.

 

[gruecd]

That sucks. I'll never BQ...

Never say never. Prior to running my first BQ (3:10:00) in May 2007, my marathon PR was 3:45. Still don't know how I pulled that off. You're capable of doing a lot more than you think!

 

[SteelCurtain]

Its been great reading about all the great running going on.

I've been lurking but not really posting. I have been running but not enough.

I am two weeks out from my marathon in Burlington, VT.

Its been a rough few months as, in early March, my 73 year old mom was out running in the AM and got hit from behind by a car. She hit the windshield and flipped over the car and landed on the road. Fortunately, there was a school bus that was going to opposite direction so it pulled across the road to prevent anyone from running her over. A week in the hospital and a leg broken in three places and stitches in 5 places. Luckily, no brain injury. On the mend, she is now starting to put weight on her leg. The doctor's are amazed at her recovery. I'm not as she is very active (person in their 70's out running at 7 a.m.), and she credits a lifetime of running as helping her now with her recovery.

That being said, my training for my marathon has been pretty sporadic as I have had to go to her house a bunch of times to visit, help, etc. I've been able to do two 15 mile runs and one 18 mile training run. So, I'm really not ready to PR or anything. We'll see what the weather feels like and how strong the legs are feeling. I'm thinking I'll just start at my PR pace (3:36) and see how it feels. I won't be crushed if I run a 3:45-3:50 considering all the circumstances. This whole spring training was to build my base to make my big time run at a sub 3:30 marathon in Philadelphia in November.

My update -- On Sunday, I did a 3.6 charity race.....smaller. Maybe 75-100 people. For my first time, I placed in my age group (ages 37-50) by doing it in 24:43 (6:52/mile pace). I continued my taper that evening with an 11 mile run at 9:05 pace.

Some of you guys are doing so well and benefiting from the training that you are doing. Keep it up. I'll do my best to keep up with you!

 

[gruecd]

Its been a rough few months as, in early March, my 73 year old mom was out running in the AM and got hit from behind by a car. She hit the windshield and flipped over the car and landed on the road. Fortunately, there was a school bus that was going to opposite direction so it pulled across the road to prevent anyone from running her over. A week in the hospital and a leg broken in three places and stitches in 5 places. Luckily, no brain injury. On the mend, she is now starting to put weight on her leg. The doctor's are amazed at her recovery. I'm not as she is very active (person in their 70's out running at 7 a.m.), and she credits a lifetime of running as helping her now with her recovery.

Jesus, dude. Glad to hear she's (relatively) OK. Was she running on the wrong side of the road, or how did she end up getting hit from behind?? I'm always more worried about that happening on the bike.Good luck in the marathon!

 

[pmbrown_22]

Steel - Wow. Understandably your training has taken a backseat. Some things are just more important. Good that your mom is doing better, but what a scare. Did the driver of the car stop at all?

 

[tri-man 47]

That sucks. I'll never BQ...

Never say never. Prior to running my first BQ (3:10:00) in May 2007, my marathon PR was 3:45. Still don't know how I pulled that off. You're capable of doing a lot more than you think!

...and I only qualified once I hit the 55-59 bracket. The long-term plan I had years ago - to be running and racing when my kids were old enough to truly appreciate it - has come with other benefits as well. These start with race specific successes such as Boston and age group competition but broaden out to overall good health (physical and mental). Never say never, indeed!!!--Steel Curtain - so sorry to hear about your mom! I hope the leg heals well and that she can get back to her active lifestyle.

 

[Ned]

Its been great reading about all the great running going on. I've been lurking but not really posting. I have been running but not enough.I am two weeks out from my marathon in Burlington, VT. Its been a rough few months as, in early March, my 73 year old mom was out running in the AM and got hit from behind by a car. She hit the windshield and flipped over the car and landed on the road. Fortunately, there was a school bus that was going to opposite direction so it pulled across the road to prevent anyone from running her over. A week in the hospital and a leg broken in three places and stitches in 5 places. Luckily, no brain injury. On the mend, she is now starting to put weight on her leg. The doctor's are amazed at her recovery. I'm not as she is very active (person in their 70's out running at 7 a.m.), and she credits a lifetime of running as helping her now with her recovery.That being said, my training for my marathon has been pretty sporadic as I have had to go to her house a bunch of times to visit, help, etc. I've been able to do two 15 mile runs and one 18 mile training run. So, I'm really not ready to PR or anything. We'll see what the weather feels like and how strong the legs are feeling. I'm thinking I'll just start at my PR pace (3:36) and see how it feels. I won't be crushed if I run a 3:45-3:50 considering all the circumstances. This whole spring training was to build my base to make my big time run at a sub 3:30 marathon in Philadelphia in November.My update -- On Sunday, I did a 3.6 charity race.....smaller. Maybe 75-100 people. For my first time, I placed in my age group (ages 37-50) by doing it in 24:43 (6:52/mile pace). I continued my taper that evening with an 11 mile run at 9:05 pace.Some of you guys are doing so well and benefiting from the training that you are doing. Keep it up. I'll do my best to keep up with you!

Holy crap! I'm glad she's recovering, but wow what a scare! Sounds like you have some good genes. Philly Marathon - I'm already registered. We need to hook up, even if it's for a quick .

 

[SteelCurtain]

Its been great reading about all the great running going on.

I've been lurking but not really posting. I have been running but not enough.

I am two weeks out from my marathon in Burlington, VT.

Its been a rough few months as, in early March, my 73 year old mom was out running in the AM and got hit from behind by a car. She hit the windshield and flipped over the car and landed on the road. Fortunately, there was a school bus that was going to opposite direction so it pulled across the road to prevent anyone from running her over. A week in the hospital and a leg broken in three places and stitches in 5 places. Luckily, no brain injury. On the mend, she is now starting to put weight on her leg. The doctor's are amazed at her recovery. I'm not as she is very active (person in their 70's out running at 7 a.m.), and she credits a lifetime of running as helping her now with her recovery.

That being said, my training for my marathon has been pretty sporadic as I have had to go to her house a bunch of times to visit, help, etc. I've been able to do two 15 mile runs and one 18 mile training run. So, I'm really not ready to PR or anything. We'll see what the weather feels like and how strong the legs are feeling. I'm thinking I'll just start at my PR pace (3:36) and see how it feels. I won't be crushed if I run a 3:45-3:50 considering all the circumstances. This whole spring training was to build my base to make my big time run at a sub 3:30 marathon in Philadelphia in November.

My update -- On Sunday, I did a 3.6 charity race.....smaller. Maybe 75-100 people. For my first time, I placed in my age group (ages 37-50) by doing it in 24:43 (6:52/mile pace). I continued my taper that evening with an 11 mile run at 9:05 pace.

Some of you guys are doing so well and benefiting from the training that you are doing. Keep it up. I'll do my best to keep up with you!

Holy crap! I'm glad she's recovering, but wow what a scare! Sounds like you have some good genes. Philly Marathon - I'm already registered. We need to hook up, even if it's for a quick

NTTAWWT

I'd love to meet up for Philly. I'm coming in the night before and staying at the Philly Marriott downtown. We can either meet up at the Expo or morning of. I'm hoping to be all business for this one. We'll figure it out as the date gets closer. BTW - your training is looking terrific! I'm half expecting you to give me a high five as you pass me around mile 19!

 

[SteelCurtain]

Grue, Tri-man, PMBrown_22 -- thanks. It was on a relatively quiet back road with very little traffic. Speed limit is 30 and the driver was clearly exceeding it (estimated around 50 mph - which to be honest is common in that area. Doesn't make it all right, but just for perspective.) The driver was a 17 year old girl. I don't know if she was texting or on the cell. I do know that the girl did the right thing. She stopped and immediately called police. The girl was distraught over the entire thing.

My mom had crossed the road (as she was probably 500 feet from her house -- and the end of her run) so she was running on the wrong side of the road (with traffic). My mom was given a warning from the police about that and the driver was ticketed for excessive speed and failure to yield to a pedestrian.

Thanks for the good wishes. She's doing better and hoping to head up to Burlington for my marathon in two weeks.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Grue, Tri-man, PMBrown_22 -- thanks. It was on a relatively quiet back road with very little traffic. Speed limit is 30 and the driver was clearly exceeding it (estimated around 50 mph - which to be honest is common in that area. Doesn't make it all right, but just for perspective.) The driver was a 17 year old girl. I don't know if she was texting or on the cell. I do know that the girl did the right thing. She stopped and immediately called police. The girl was distraught over the entire thing. My mom had crossed the road (as she was probably 500 feet from her house -- and the end of her run) so she was running on the wrong side of the road (with traffic). My mom was given a warning from the police about that and the driver was ticketed for excessive speed and failure to yield to a pedestrian.Thanks for the good wishes. She's doing better and hoping to head up to Burlington for my marathon in two weeks.

Your mom is pretty tough to get through something like that with just a broken leg. She could probably kick the asses of half the guys in this thread (mine included).

 

[tri-man 47]

Just back from a great workout (on a day off from work): 2 sets of 8 x 400m @ :89-90 with a one-minute break between each and a five-minute walk-around between the two sets. It felt good to be holding that tempo 4 miles and 40 minutes into the workout!

 

[pigskinliquors]

IvanK: AWESOME!!!

Ned: too cool!!

SteelC: Glad to hear she is ok and good luck with your marathon!

re: NEVER BQ = I've been told I'll likely never run/race again, but I have not given up hope on BQ'ing.

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My update:

Friday night I did my first Cross Fit workout and really enjoyed it. It was 1 hour of straight pain, though we did chug beers between each of the 5 sets Saturday I just did Ab ripper, and yesterday just a light arms workout. Today is elliptical followed by a swim.

 

[17seconds]

Did my last 20miler of Pfitz 18/55 last Saturday. Was able to increased pace a little at mile 18.

Think I've got a shot at getting somewhere near 3:50:00 for my first full in 3 weeks? I'm feeling good about it. If my HR numbers seem a little low, keep in mind my max is 175 and my LT supposedly kicks in at 148.

Split   Time    Up      Down    HRavg1	9:52.9	40	0	1272	9:32.4	0	0	1323	9:27.2	52	37	1314	9:08.9	7	30	1355	9:17.6	31	58	1336	9:27.8	27	0	1367	9:11.9	32	46	1358	9:33.2	63	40	1349	9:18.8	0	32	13310	9:37.0	35	10	13511	9:27.3	0	31	13312	9:38.8	31	0	13413	9:15.2	4	26	13514	9:26.7	60	14	13915	9:18.0	0	30	13816	9:32.3	0	22	14117	9:30.1	43	0	14518	9:07.8	14	64	14519	9:08.4	40	0	14920	8:49.7	0	27	148Total	3:07:46 479	475	137

 

[BassNBrew]

Did my last 20miler of Pfitz 18/55 last Saturday. Was able to increased pace a little at mile 18.Think I've got a shot at getting somewhere near 3:50:00 for my first full in 3 weeks? I'm feeling good about it. If my HR numbers seem a little low, keep in mind my max is 175 and my LT supposedly kicks in at 148.

Split   Time    Up      Down    HRavg1	9:52.9	40	0	1272	9:32.4	0	0	1323	9:27.2	52	37	1314	9:08.9	7	30	1355	9:17.6	31	58	1336	9:27.8	27	0	1367	9:11.9	32	46	1358	9:33.2	63	40	1349	9:18.8	0	32	13310	9:37.0	35	10	13511	9:27.3	0	31	13312	9:38.8	31	0	13413	9:15.2	4	26	13514	9:26.7	60	14	13915	9:18.0	0	30	13816	9:32.3	0	22	14117	9:30.1	43	0	14518	9:07.8	14	64	14519	9:08.4	40	0	14920	8:49.7	0	27	148Total	3:07:46 479	475	137

Great run. You look to be poised for a great result finishing up that strong.fyi...Your lacate threshold is more likely in the upper 150s. A good way to estimate it would be the average of minutes 10-20 in a balls out 5k. If you were really running that close to your threshold this close to an event, then you ran this run too fast and need some serious recovery

 

[17seconds]

Did my last 20miler of Pfitz 18/55 last Saturday. Was able to increased pace a little at mile 18.Think I've got a shot at getting somewhere near 3:50:00 for my first full in 3 weeks? I'm feeling good about it. If my HR numbers seem a little low, keep in mind my max is 175 and my LT supposedly kicks in at 148.

Split   Time    Up      Down    HRavg1	9:52.9	40	0	1272	9:32.4	0	0	1323	9:27.2	52	37	1314	9:08.9	7	30	1355	9:17.6	31	58	1336	9:27.8	27	0	1367	9:11.9	32	46	1358	9:33.2	63	40	1349	9:18.8	0	32	13310	9:37.0	35	10	13511	9:27.3	0	31	13312	9:38.8	31	0	13413	9:15.2	4	26	13514	9:26.7	60	14	13915	9:18.0	0	30	13816	9:32.3	0	22	14117	9:30.1	43	0	14518	9:07.8	14	64	14519	9:08.4	40	0	14920	8:49.7	0	27	148Total	3:07:46 479	475	137

Great run. You look to be poised for a great result finishing up that strong.fyi...Your lacate threshold is more likely in the upper 150s. A good way to estimate it would be the average of minutes 10-20 in a balls out 5k. If you were really running that close to your threshold this close to an event, then you ran this run too fast and need some serious recovery

I feel great less than 48hrs after so you are probably right about my LT being closer to 160. But now I'm a little concerned I haven't done enough training in my LT range. I only go above 155 when I do intervals, which isn't that often. Even tempo runs I'm in the low 150s. I do a lot of hills though, so maybe I'm ok.

 

[AcerFC]

So I just checked about the Philly marathon. There are no waiting lists or anything? Took me 3 years to get into NYC.

It's my sons birthday weekend so I don't want to pay without talking to my wife first.

 

[BassNBrew]

Did my last 20miler of Pfitz 18/55 last Saturday. Was able to increased pace a little at mile 18.Think I've got a shot at getting somewhere near 3:50:00 for my first full in 3 weeks? I'm feeling good about it. If my HR numbers seem a little low, keep in mind my max is 175 and my LT supposedly kicks in at 148.

Split   Time    Up      Down    HRavg1	9:52.9	40	0	1272	9:32.4	0	0	1323	9:27.2	52	37	1314	9:08.9	7	30	1355	9:17.6	31	58	1336	9:27.8	27	0	1367	9:11.9	32	46	1358	9:33.2	63	40	1349	9:18.8	0	32	13310	9:37.0	35	10	13511	9:27.3	0	31	13312	9:38.8	31	0	13413	9:15.2	4	26	13514	9:26.7	60	14	13915	9:18.0	0	30	13816	9:32.3	0	22	14117	9:30.1	43	0	14518	9:07.8	14	64	14519	9:08.4	40	0	14920	8:49.7	0	27	148Total	3:07:46 479	475	137

Great run. You look to be poised for a great result finishing up that strong.fyi...Your lacate threshold is more likely in the upper 150s. A good way to estimate it would be the average of minutes 10-20 in a balls out 5k. If you were really running that close to your threshold this close to an event, then you ran this run too fast and need some serious recovery

I feel great less than 48hrs after so you are probably right about my LT being closer to 160. But now I'm a little concerned I haven't done enough training in my LT range. I only go above 155 when I do intervals, which isn't that often. Even tempo runs I'm in the low 150s. I do a lot of hills though, so maybe I'm ok.

You're 100% fine. There's really no need for threshold training for a marathon. Your tempo runs in the low 150s were spot on. Only elite atheletes will be able to run a half at lacate threshold. Even the elites don't do that for events longer than that. If you stay at or under 150-152 for most of the event (only visiting the mid 150s+ on short hills or at the end) you'll be fine.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Ran one mile on saturday to test out my shins(think I had a stress fracture in my right shin from the thursday may 3rd). It went well...only ran at about 8 minute pace and only felt a little in my left shin. Ran in my old brooks running shoes.

Tonight I ran 2 miles to see how they would hold up. Shins felt horrible...my left felt way worse than my right but they didn't feel solid at all. They didn't feel as bad as they did on the 3rd, but not good. First mile was a 815, second was a 730. Ran in my new adidas(less support)

Race day is saturday. I'm pretty disappointed. I'm just going to rest and ice until race day. Then wear my old Brooks on race day.

Bad Munday for me.

 

[sho nuff]

Had a nice 2 days of training.

After a rest day saturday (well, running wise...more on that coming) I did an easy 4 miles of recovery yesterday averaged about 10:20 and kept the HR in the 140s.

Today I met up with a friend who wanted to do a 5k simulation...so I warmed up over towards his place and got 2 miles in averaging about 10:10 per mile on the way.

Legs were feeling very good and I had not run a 5k in quite a while. Been thinking I wanted to go under 25 and I figured he could handle that (his PR was around 25ish a year ago but he had some injuries last summer and has been back running for about 4 months now and said he wanted to see where he was at.

1 - 7:38 (yup...sanded it)163 HR

2 - 7:57 171 HR

3 - 7:58 175 HR

.13 - :48 177 HR

24:22

I was quite happy with that (and surprised my HR stayed down a bit further than I thought it would) Pretty easy course we ran...first mile had a bit of downhill back to my neighborhood where we ran a loop that is about .75 miles...and just sort of did laps around that til we were done.

I finished up with another 1.9 miles of slow cool down and got the HR back down into the 150s.

As for Saturday...glad I was not planning on running.

9 am soccer game...my son's last game this spring. Right after we headed out to a pavilion at a recreation area on the lake near here for the end of the year soccer party. Cooked out burgers and dogs and kids all had a place to play (even with some rain).

As we were finishing up eating...my son had gotten up and was going back to sit down and his feet slid (wet shoes) and he hit face first on the edge of the picnic table.

I did not see it...but heard it happen. Just heard the smack and the scream and crying. Look over to see blood gushing from the top of his nose. Once everything calmed down and got the blood slowed...he had a nice gash (looked more like a hole than a gash though). Looked bad enough so we went home and got him cleaned up a little bit and off to the ER. 2 stitches which he handled better than I would have (especially the numbing...watching the doc stick the needle in the wound and do that about had me on the floor). Of course he had 2 nurses helping hold him so he did not move much (and he commented that the pretty one was the one holding his head).

THen the nurses took him to their break area and got him an ice cream from their freezer (kid is a charmer for sure...even at the party all the sisters of his teammates were crowded around checking on him).

He is fine...just a bit bruised.

 

[Ned]

Its been great reading about all the great running going on.

I've been lurking but not really posting. I have been running but not enough.

I am two weeks out from my marathon in Burlington, VT.

Its been a rough few months as, in early March, my 73 year old mom was out running in the AM and got hit from behind by a car. She hit the windshield and flipped over the car and landed on the road. Fortunately, there was a school bus that was going to opposite direction so it pulled across the road to prevent anyone from running her over. A week in the hospital and a leg broken in three places and stitches in 5 places. Luckily, no brain injury. On the mend, she is now starting to put weight on her leg. The doctor's are amazed at her recovery. I'm not as she is very active (person in their 70's out running at 7 a.m.), and she credits a lifetime of running as helping her now with her recovery.

That being said, my training for my marathon has been pretty sporadic as I have had to go to her house a bunch of times to visit, help, etc. I've been able to do two 15 mile runs and one 18 mile training run. So, I'm really not ready to PR or anything. We'll see what the weather feels like and how strong the legs are feeling. I'm thinking I'll just start at my PR pace (3:36) and see how it feels. I won't be crushed if I run a 3:45-3:50 considering all the circumstances. This whole spring training was to build my base to make my big time run at a sub 3:30 marathon in Philadelphia in November.

My update -- On Sunday, I did a 3.6 charity race.....smaller. Maybe 75-100 people. For my first time, I placed in my age group (ages 37-50) by doing it in 24:43 (6:52/mile pace). I continued my taper that evening with an 11 mile run at 9:05 pace.

Some of you guys are doing so well and benefiting from the training that you are doing. Keep it up. I'll do my best to keep up with you!

Holy crap! I'm glad she's recovering, but wow what a scare! Sounds like you have some good genes. Philly Marathon - I'm already registered. We need to hook up, even if it's for a quick

NTTAWWT

I'd love to meet up for Philly. I'm coming in the night before and staying at the Philly Marriott downtown. We can either meet up at the Expo or morning of. I'm hoping to be all business for this one. We'll figure it out as the date gets closer. BTW - your training is looking terrific! I'm half expecting you to give me a high five as you pass me around mile 19!

Thanks! I'd need to have the cycle of my life to get down to 3:30 for Philly. You're going to love this race...Acer - no waiting list for Philly. They sell out every year around August-September, so don't drag your feet if you decide to do it.

 

[comfortably numb]

Its been a rough few months as, in early March, my 73 year old mom was out running in the AM and got hit from behind by a car. She hit the windshield and flipped over the car and landed on the road. Fortunately, there was a school bus that was going to opposite direction so it pulled across the road to prevent anyone from running her over. A week in the hospital and a leg broken in three places and stitches in 5 places. Luckily, no brain injury. On the mend, she is now starting to put weight on her leg. The doctor's are amazed at her recovery. I'm not as she is very active (person in their 70's out running at 7 a.m.), and she credits a lifetime of running as helping her now with her recovery.

Jesus, dude. Glad to hear she's (relatively) OK. Was she running on the wrong side of the road, or how did she end up getting hit from behind?? I'm always more worried about that happening on the bike.Good luck in the marathon!

CHRIST! You hear about a 73 year old woman getting hit by a car, you don't think the outcome will be any good.Thankfully she is recovering.Chuck Norris ain't got nothing on her!

 

[Ned]

shonuff - nice job on the 5K! Glad your son is OK. Corners of tables and whatnot always scare the crap outta me with the clumsy kids.

 

[sho nuff]

shonuff - nice job on the 5K! Glad your son is OK. Corners of tables and whatnot always scare the crap outta me with the clumsy kids.

Ive been more worried the last few days as rough as he and his sister play that he will bust them wide open.

 

[comfortably numb]

Just brought my watch in to work to upload my split from this weekends 5k

Here we are, previous PR was 25.14.

I went in knowing I should be able to top this.

1 7:17.4 1.00 7:17

2 7:46.9 1.00 7:47

3 8:11.8 1.00 8:12

4 1:04.0 0.14 7:31

Summary 24:20.0 (3.14) 7:45

31/212 overall3rd in my age group, I think I may have won a medal or something...but we were still at the arts and craft table at that time. Had no clue I would be that close to a medal or something.

It was a family fun run race with arts/craft and kid dash, turned out to be a breast cancer race as well so we had some nice ladies out as well.

Kids were all ready to cheer on dad. daughter and son ( ) brought "pompoms" to cheer me on.

Well...all I know is I was happy to finish the race and see I have a new PR, and I am looking around for the hugs and cheers...and my kids are all the way at the arts and crafts table still. lol

Race was good, I feel I can get off to good starts now, so I try to hang towards the front end of the line as opposed to the back.

Got caught up a good deal early on with traffic, but then moved around and found some space to stretch out and pass people.

Felt so so, not GREAT, just decent, never looked at my watch, just cruised. At around 2.50 marker though we came out of the woods and into open space and the sun was out in full effect...at 9.15AM around 72 degrees and it hurt man...running in the summer is gonna be KILLER, I am SOOOO glad i took this up in the dead of winter. I may have lost interest if I started in the summer.

 

[Sand]

shonuff - nice job on the 5K! Glad your son is OK. Corners of tables and whatnot always scare the crap outta me with the clumsy kids.

You did it right. Nail the start and hold on for dear life.BTW, both my kids have gone to the ER for table incidents. The oldest when I was horsing around with him and accidentally let him slide off the bed onto the foot of the end table - he got a nice triangular puncture for that one. And the youngest got one running around the house and slid into the coffee table. Been there, got the t-shirt.

 

[AcerFC]

Ned, Just had this conversation with my wife

Me: When is the little guys birthday party going to be this year

Wife: Why? that is a weird question

Me: Philly Marathon IMO

Wife: Well the next weekend is Thanksgiving, so if you want to miss your sons birthday party to run in a stupid marathon, be my guest

Me: That is why I asked. of course I wont miss his birthday party ( )

 

[The_Man]

Great reports, everyone.

Grue - sorry about the weather. Just run smart.

SteelCurtain - have you been to Burlington before? I lived there for most of the 90s and still go every summer. Thinking about doing that marathon next year. PM me if you need any info about your visit.

Big day for me today -- I finally hauled myself out of bed and got in a run before work. I really don't know what it is about me that leads me to take a couple of months off every year in the late winter/early spring.

Plus, with being sick the last 3 weeks, I'd run exactly 8 miles since April 22. But today I motivated and 5 miles (8:07 pace, probably overdid it the last couple of miles, but was feeling good) in the soft summer rain and loved it. Now I've got about 5 weeks to get in shape for the Baltimore 10-miler. I hope to get up to 40 miles in the last week before the race.

I was really out of shape for this race last year - ran it in 8:30 pace and used my unhappiness with that effort to kickstart my summer of training. My goal (maybe unrealistic) is to do it this year at 7:30 pace - I would be thrilled to be that far ahead of where I was a year ago.

 

[sho nuff]

shonuff - nice job on the 5K! Glad your son is OK. Corners of tables and whatnot always scare the crap outta me with the clumsy kids.

You did it right. Nail the start and hold on for dear life.BTW, both my kids have gone to the ER for table incidents. The oldest when I was horsing around with him and accidentally let him slide off the bed onto the foot of the end table - he got a nice triangular puncture for that one. And the youngest got one running around the house and slid into the coffee table. Been there, got the t-shirt.

I thought mile 2 would have been a bit faster given how I felt...actually did not feel that bad in mile 3...the first part of mile 3 was slower but with about a half mile to go felt I had enough left in the tank and picked it up. Noticed I was more in the 7:30-7:45 range during that last half mile.And this trip to the ER was not as bad as when the boy jumped off the stairs and landed on his sister. Tooth to her head. Came up with his tooth bleeding and her head bleeding.He was fine...she went to the ER. But no stitches for that one. Guy said he could have been it should be ok where it was on her head if there was a scar and the bleeding was ok. At her age he said it would have been more trouble stitching it than not...and likely not worth the ordeal for her.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Had a nice 2 days of training.After a rest day saturday (well, running wise...more on that coming) I did an easy 4 miles of recovery yesterday averaged about 10:20 and kept the HR in the 140s.Today I met up with a friend who wanted to do a 5k simulation...so I warmed up over towards his place and got 2 miles in averaging about 10:10 per mile on the way.Legs were feeling very good and I had not run a 5k in quite a while. Been thinking I wanted to go under 25 and I figured he could handle that (his PR was around 25ish a year ago but he had some injuries last summer and has been back running for about 4 months now and said he wanted to see where he was at.1 - 7:38 (yup...sanded it)163 HR2 - 7:57 171 HR3 - 7:58 175 HR.13 - :48 177 HR24:22I was quite happy with that (and surprised my HR stayed down a bit further than I thought it would) Pretty easy course we ran...first mile had a bit of downhill back to my neighborhood where we ran a loop that is about .75 miles...and just sort of did laps around that til we were done.I finished up with another 1.9 miles of slow cool down and got the HR back down into the 150s.As for Saturday...glad I was not planning on running.9 am soccer game...my son's last game this spring. Right after we headed out to a pavilion at a recreation area on the lake near here for the end of the year soccer party. Cooked out burgers and dogs and kids all had a place to play (even with some rain).As we were finishing up eating...my son had gotten up and was going back to sit down and his feet slid (wet shoes) and he hit face first on the edge of the picnic table.I did not see it...but heard it happen. Just heard the smack and the scream and crying. Look over to see blood gushing from the top of his nose. Once everything calmed down and got the blood slowed...he had a nice gash (looked more like a hole than a gash though). Looked bad enough so we went home and got him cleaned up a little bit and off to the ER. 2 stitches which he handled better than I would have (especially the numbing...watching the doc stick the needle in the wound and do that about had me on the floor). Of course he had 2 nurses helping hold him so he did not move much (and he commented that the pretty one was the one holding his head).THen the nurses took him to their break area and got him an ice cream from their freezer (kid is a charmer for sure...even at the party all the sisters of his teammates were crowded around checking on him).He is fine...just a bit bruised.

Nice work Sho Nuff

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Just brought my watch in to work to upload my split from this weekends 5k

Here we are, previous PR was 25.14.

I went in knowing I should be able to top this.

1 7:17.4 1.00 7:17

2 7:46.9 1.00 7:47

3 8:11.8 1.00 8:12

4 1:04.0 0.14 7:31

Summary 24:20.0 (3.14) 7:45

31/212 overall3rd in my age group, I think I may have won a medal or something...but we were still at the arts and craft table at that time. Had no clue I would be that close to a medal or something.

It was a family fun run race with arts/craft and kid dash, turned out to be a breast cancer race as well so we had some nice ladies out as well.

Kids were all ready to cheer on dad. daughter and son ( ) brought "pompoms" to cheer me on.

Well...all I know is I was happy to finish the race and see I have a new PR, and I am looking around for the hugs and cheers...and my kids are all the way at the arts and crafts table still. lol

Race was good, I feel I can get off to good starts now, so I try to hang towards the front end of the line as opposed to the back.

Got caught up a good deal early on with traffic, but then moved around and found some space to stretch out and pass people.

Felt so so, not GREAT, just decent, never looked at my watch, just cruised. At around 2.50 marker though we came out of the woods and into open space and the sun was out in full effect...at 9.15AM around 72 degrees and it hurt man...running in the summer is gonna be KILLER, I am SOOOO glad i took this up in the dead of winter. I may have lost interest if I started in the summer.

Nice work and way to Sand the first mile.

 

[gruecd]

Wife: Well the next weekend is Thanksgiving, so if you want to miss your sons birthday party to run in a stupid marathon, be my guest

This is the type of unsupportive, passive-aggressive BS that I won't deal with. I understand if it doesn't work out because of your son's birthday, but for her to demean you like that is utter and total crap.You could run the race in the morning and have the party in the afternoon. Or have the party on Saturday. If you tell her how important it is to you, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to find a compromise.

 

[AcerFC]

Wife: Well the next weekend is Thanksgiving, so if you want to miss your sons birthday party to run in a stupid marathon, be my guest

This is the type of #### that I won't deal with. I understand if it doesn't work out because of your son's birthday, but for her to demean you like that is utter and total BS.You could run the race in the morning and have the party in the afternoon. Or have the party on Saturday. Grr.

I live 3 hours away from Philly and would need to pick the race pack up on Sarurday. I think she is still bitter about my training from 07. No way I run it Gru style and make it home before dinner on Sunday.

 

[gruecd]

I live 3 hours away from Philly and would need to pick the race pack up on Sarurday. I think she is still bitter about my training from 07. No way I run it Gru style and make it home before dinner on Sunday.

Where there's a will, there's a way. I stand by my earlier comment. If it's important to you, and she understands that, then there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to make it work. It's not like you're constantly putting running ahead of your family; it's ONE DAMN DAY, and you're setting a great example for your son!

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I live 3 hours away from Philly and would need to pick the race pack up on Sarurday. I think she is still bitter about my training from 07. No way I run it Gru style and make it home before dinner on Sunday.

Where there's a will, there's a way. I stand by my earlier comment. If it's important to you, and she understands that, then there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to make it work. It's not like you're constantly putting running ahead of your family; it's ONE DAMN DAY, and you're setting a great example for your son!

Lets not forget planning ahead, keep yourself in better health to live a longer more productive life...I hope she's more supportive of your other hobbies.

 

[AcerFC]

I think I painted my wife to be a beeotch and she is not. She is very supportive of everything I do including running. Heck, she just bought me a Big Green Egg for fathers day. That should get her some points back from the haters

But Gru is right to a point. If we have the party on Saturday at 2:00, I can set my alarm for 5, be in Philly at 8. Leave at 9 and be home at 12.

And Gru, its not just one day. There is all the preparation time that goes into it also. Going for a 5 mile run like I do a lot now, is a lot different then a 20 mile warm up. But I think I may sign up for it now thanks to the kick in the ###

 

[tri-man 47]

Just brought my watch in to work to upload my split from this weekends 5k

Here we are, previous PR was 25.14.

I went in knowing I should be able to top this.

1 7:17.4 1.00 7:17

2 7:46.9 1.00 7:47

3 8:11.8 1.00 8:12

4 1:04.0 0.14 7:31

Summary 24:20.0 (3.14) 7:45

31/212 overall3rd in my age group, I think I may have won a medal or something...but we were still at the arts and craft table at that time. Had no clue I would be that close to a medal or something.

c numb - great job on the PR ...and the rumored medal!

 

[Sean]

nice job on the PR comf numb!

I can relate to struggling to balance family time with running/working out. Between the 3 kids the wife and work I've been having a hard time keeping it going so far and I'm not really logging a lot of miles yet.

I think (for me anyway) I've almost been using that as an excuse the last few years though as to why I "just couldn't" keep myself in good shape. Every time I'd start a new program/workout I'd stick with it to a point and eventually tail off to nothing. A few months would go by and then rinse, repeat. I'm really growing to like running though and I plan on sticking with it. With a little planning and a little sacrifice (getting up before work, etc) I can make it work and like it was mentioned I can set a good example for my boys.

Anyway - 4.5 treadmill miles for me yesterday (8:30 pace). Was pretty uneventful until my kid asked me to set up a Wii game for him. I nearly killed myself trying to line up the wii remote with the screen while running.

 

[17seconds]

I think I painted my wife to be a beeotch and she is not. She is very supportive of everything I do including running. Heck, she just bought me a Big Green Egg for fathers day. That should get her some points back from the hatersBut Gru is right to a point. If we have the party on Saturday at 2:00, I can set my alarm for 5, be in Philly at 8. Leave at 9 and be home at 12. And Gru, its not just one day. There is all the preparation time that goes into it also. Going for a 5 mile run like I do a lot now, is a lot different then a 20 mile warm up. But I think I may sign up for it now thanks to the kick in the ###

I read the original post as your wife lashing out because you'd miss an important event. It happens. My wife, who is actually running the half when I'm doing the full, even says stuff like "I hope this is the only one you do", "your training isn't leaving enough time for the family", "(sarcastically) don't worry, you'll get your precious run in this saturday".I bet if you wait for a lighter moment to tell her how important the training is to your goals and health she'll understand what she said was a bit over the top. Good luck, women can be a challenge as we all know.

 

[wraith5]

Grue, Tri-man, PMBrown_22 -- thanks. It was on a relatively quiet back road with very little traffic. Speed limit is 30 and the driver was clearly exceeding it (estimated around 50 mph - which to be honest is common in that area. Doesn't make it all right, but just for perspective.) The driver was a 17 year old girl. I don't know if she was texting or on the cell. I do know that the girl did the right thing. She stopped and immediately called police. The girl was distraught over the entire thing. My mom had crossed the road (as she was probably 500 feet from her house -- and the end of her run) so she was running on the wrong side of the road (with traffic). My mom was given a warning from the police about that and the driver was ticketed for excessive speed and failure to yield to a pedestrian.Thanks for the good wishes. She's doing better and hoping to head up to Burlington for my marathon in two weeks.

T&P SC - that's horrible & I'm glad your mom is on the mend.

 

[wraith5]

As we were finishing up eating...my son had gotten up and was going back to sit down and his feet slid (wet shoes) and he hit face first on the edge of the picnic table.I did not see it...but heard it happen. Just heard the smack and the scream and crying. Look over to see blood gushing from the top of his nose. Once everything calmed down and got the blood slowed...he had a nice gash (looked more like a hole than a gash though). Looked bad enough so we went home and got him cleaned up a little bit and off to the ER. 2 stitches which he handled better than I would have (especially the numbing...watching the doc stick the needle in the wound and do that about had me on the floor). Of course he had 2 nurses helping hold him so he did not move much (and he commented that the pretty one was the one holding his head).THen the nurses took him to their break area and got him an ice cream from their freezer (kid is a charmer for sure...even at the party all the sisters of his teammates were crowded around checking on him).He is fine...just a bit bruised.

We just got 3 staples taken out of my older boy's scalp 2 weeks ago - boy v coffee table. He's also had stitches next to his eye (boy v playground w/sunglasses assist) and stitches in his chin (boy v hardwood floor). Add to that his busted hand (boy v brother), and we get a lot of questions from the staff at the local ER now. Glad your boy is doing OK.

 

[Sand]

And this trip to the ER was not as bad as when the boy jumped off the stairs and landed on his sister. Tooth to her head. Came up with his tooth bleeding and her head bleeding.He was fine...she went to the ER. But no stitches for that one. Guy said he could have been it should be ok where it was on her head if there was a scar and the bleeding was ok. At her age he said it would have been more trouble stitching it than not...and likely not worth the ordeal for her.

Both my kids had similar cuts. First kid = stitches. Talk about awful - almost had to drug the kid to get the stitches in. Second kid = glue. What a difference. No big deal and the kid was happy the whole time. Glue =

 

[wraith5]

I was really out of shape for this race last year - ran it in 8:30 pace and used my unhappiness with that effort to kickstart my summer of training. My goal (maybe unrealistic) is to do it this year at 7:30 pace - I would be thrilled to be that far ahead of where I was a year ago.

<_< Hoping to do 8:30s at SoldierField in 2 weeks...

 

[Hang 10]

Speedwork today. 3 x 1600 with 1 minute RI

Mile warmup - 8:44

6:04

6:20

6:11

Mile cooldown - 8:33

:weary:

 

[wraith5]

Speedwork today. 3 x 1600 with 1 minute RIMile warmup - 8:446:046:206:11Mile cooldown - 8:33:weary:

nice speed

 

[sho nuff]

As we were finishing up eating...my son had gotten up and was going back to sit down and his feet slid (wet shoes) and he hit face first on the edge of the picnic table.I did not see it...but heard it happen. Just heard the smack and the scream and crying. Look over to see blood gushing from the top of his nose. Once everything calmed down and got the blood slowed...he had a nice gash (looked more like a hole than a gash though). Looked bad enough so we went home and got him cleaned up a little bit and off to the ER. 2 stitches which he handled better than I would have (especially the numbing...watching the doc stick the needle in the wound and do that about had me on the floor). Of course he had 2 nurses helping hold him so he did not move much (and he commented that the pretty one was the one holding his head).THen the nurses took him to their break area and got him an ice cream from their freezer (kid is a charmer for sure...even at the party all the sisters of his teammates were crowded around checking on him).He is fine...just a bit bruised.

We just got 3 staples taken out of my older boy's scalp 2 weeks ago - boy v coffee table. He's also had stitches next to his eye (boy v playground w/sunglasses assist) and stitches in his chin (boy v hardwood floor). Add to that his busted hand (boy v brother), and we get a lot of questions from the staff at the local ER now. Glad your boy is doing OK.

Oh, and I don't think he recognized me...but Im quite certain the PA in the ER was the same guy that treated my daughter.They might get suspicious but I was in there last year when I about cut off the tip of my thumb and they had to glue it back together.

 

[sho nuff]

And this trip to the ER was not as bad as when the boy jumped off the stairs and landed on his sister. Tooth to her head. Came up with his tooth bleeding and her head bleeding.He was fine...she went to the ER. But no stitches for that one. Guy said he could have been it should be ok where it was on her head if there was a scar and the bleeding was ok. At her age he said it would have been more trouble stitching it than not...and likely not worth the ordeal for her.

Both my kids had similar cuts. First kid = stitches. Talk about awful - almost had to drug the kid to get the stitches in. Second kid = glue. What a difference. No big deal and the kid was happy the whole time. Glue =

I had been preparing my son about the possibility of stiches.The doctor looked at it...then said he needed to close that up.Son: Does that mean stitches?Doc: YesSon: Oh poop.Big thumbs up to that ER staff though, they handled him very very well.

 

[wraith5]

Speedwork Day (wish I'd posted before Hang 10 tho... )

5x 1000M @ 7:15 pace w/400M RI

Pace

7:10 (187 max HR)

7:11 (190 max HR)

7:18 (195 max HR, straight into the wind)

7:03 (195 max HR)

6:48 (193 max HR)

average 7:04s thanks to the last repeat. #3 into the wind realy kicked my butt hard. Mostly had the wind behind me on the last 2. Mid 70s and sunny - felt like summer out there!!

 

[The_Man]

Good news from the doctors at Johns Hopkins:

Death from marathon running low

By Andrea K. Walker

Baltimore Sun

12:20 p.m. EDT, May 15, 2012

The stories of marathon runners collapsing and dying at the finish line are enough to scare anybody thinking of participating in one of the 26.2 mile races popular around this time of year.

But a new study by Johns Hopkins researchers has found the risk of deaths at marathon races is pretty low. Not impossible, but not all that likely either.

A runner's risk of dying during or soon after the race is about .75 per 100,000 the research found. Men were twice as likely to die as women.

"It's very dramatic when someone dies on the course, but it's not common," Julius Cuong Pham, the study's lead author an an associate professor of emergency medicine and anesthesiology and critical care medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, said in a statement.

The study was published online in The American Journal of Sports Medicine.

"There are clearly many health benefits associated with running," Pham said. "It doesn't make you immune, but your risk of dying from running a marathon is very, very low."

Pham and his colleagues found that between 2000 and 2009, 28 people died during or in the 24 hours following a marathon.

Half of those who died were over age 45, and all but one in that age group died of heart disease.

Younger runners died from a variety of reasons that included cardiac arrhythmia and hyponatremia, or drinking excessive amounts of water.

Marathon running has become more popular as people exercise more for the health benefits. The Hopkins research looked at statistics from about 300 marathons per year and found that the number of finishers increased dramatically between 2000 and 2009, from 299,018 to 473,354.

Pham said the benefits of marathon running include decreased risks of hypertension, high cholesterol and diabetes. People who run regularly have been found to have lower rates of all-cause mortality and disability.

But marathon running is not risk-free, Pham said. Studies have shown the yearly incidence of injury in people training for marathons is as high as 90 percent.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Good news from the doctors at Johns Hopkins:

But marathon running is not risk-free, Pham said. Studies have shown the yearly incidence of injury in people training for marathons is as high as 90 percent.

And the other 10% is lying!