A beer or two here or there ain't gonna kill ya. Hell I make it a point to have a beer or glass of wine the night before every race. I need all the chillin I can get. :highstrung:then tequila shots the night before but i'm stopping at 8You guys are a bad influence.OK.. how about no drinking the 2 nights before the race?Don't discount the importance of celebration training.

A beer or two here or there ain't gonna kill ya. Hell I make it a point to have a beer or glass of wine the night before every race. I need all the chillin I can get. :highstrung:then tequila shots the night before but i'm stopping at 8You guys are a bad influence.OK.. how about no drinking the 2 nights before the race?Don't discount the importance of celebration training.
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Stick to vodka or bourbon. You get drunk too quick to get a lot of calories in.----Mostly to keep from gaining weight during my taper. I've been training for 4mos and I haven't lost a friggin pound. 180lbs. Do not want to go into the race a 185.
. Today was a 5 mile run at lunch, holding a relatively easy 8:30 pace (getting hot, though). Tonight was a 2k swim. The main set was a 1500TT - done in 19:43(karate chop!
). Not bad considering the run and bike before this and about 20 seconds faster than last year. Pretty good set of workouts and it will ease up from here.Solid speed on miles 4 & 5 but if you're doing a tempo run, you generally want to be a little more consistent in your pacing. The idea is run at a pace which is challenging but sustainable for whatever distance you're running that day. I try to keep my miles between 5 to 10 seconds of each other.40 min tempo run was on the schedule for today. I decided to make it 6 miles instead of by time. I think I'm doing this right? Only my second attempt at a tempo run.
1 - 9:10 141
2 - 8:35 150
3 - 7:51 160
4 - 7:14 166
5 - 6:51 172
6 - 8:19 163
.37 - 8:13 161
A little something non running related - We were talking here about our kids working out with us and being so flexible - Was looking through some pictures on my phone and came across one of my 4 year old twins (3 in the picture) showing me their "yoga" that they were doing at day care. Nothing crazy here just thought it was funny. They had about 6-7 different poses to show us.
namaste
Ditto....Hell I make it a point to have a beer or glass of wine the night before every race. I need all the chillin I can get. :highstrung:![]()
...and ditto.I do all my long runs on Saturday mornings and I cant remember the last Friday night where I didn't get my drink on. At this point my body is just trained to handle da booze.
I think it really just comes down to your body adapting to your diet and training. If you're used to drinking a 6 pack on friday and running on a saturday, your body will respond fine. If you never drink the night before, there's a good chance you might have poor result the next day. Now, saying all that. I still make sure that I'm hydrated before running. I usually just drink a glass of water before bed and then drink water in the morning. This has always worked for me.Damn. I won't have more than a drink or two the week before an event and at least a few days before any challenging training run. I don't know if it's more physical or mental but any time I get drunk, I pay for it during my runs for at least a day and a half.

Awesome.Stick to vodka or bourbon. You get drunk too quick to get a lot of calories in.----Mostly to keep from gaining weight during my taper. I've been training for 4mos and I haven't lost a friggin pound. 180lbs. Do not want to go into the race a 185.
On my end, an interesting week so far. Bagged a swim Monday due to being sick (thanks to my 6 year old). I'm winding down right now, so got my work done yesterday and today - yesterday was a 30 mile ride with a few new PRs. Felt great on that ride and really rode strong. Today was a 5 mile run at lunch, holding a relatively easy 8:30 pace (getting hot, though). Tonight was a 2k swim. The main set was a 1500TT - done in 19:43(karate chop!
). Not bad considering the run and bike before this and about 20 seconds faster than last year. Pretty good set of workouts and it will ease up from here.
T&P'sWhat exactly are you doin?I wanna make sure I never sign up for something like that.'17seconds said:Taper officially starts now. I have to keep my food and beer/wine under control. Next 2.5 weeks will be the suck!No alcohol whatsoever race week!

Solid speed on miles 4 & 5 but if you're doing a tempo run, you generally want to be a little more consistent in your pacing. The idea is run at a pace which is challenging but sustainable for whatever distance you're running that day. I try to keep my miles between 5 to 10 seconds of each other.40 min tempo run was on the schedule for today. I decided to make it 6 miles instead of by time. I think I'm doing this right? Only my second attempt at a tempo run.
1 - 9:10 141
2 - 8:35 150
3 - 7:51 160
4 - 7:14 166
5 - 6:51 172
6 - 8:19 163
.37 - 8:13 161
A little something non running related - We were talking here about our kids working out with us and being so flexible - Was looking through some pictures on my phone and came across one of my 4 year old twins (3 in the picture) showing me their "yoga" that they were doing at day care. Nothing crazy here just thought it was funny. They had about 6-7 different poses to show us.
namaste
nice run, regardless.Chickitude is awesome at the start and end, but honestly there is only one girl that can keep up during the ride.but how is the scenery on that bike ride?
Pretty sure he was actually asking about... you know... the landscape scenery...Chickitude is awesome at the start and end, but honestly there is only one girl that can keep up during the ride.but how is the scenery on that bike ride?
tis:You mean I'm supposed to be looking at something other than chicks' asses? Scenery is decent. We have better around here, but the climbs are good (2k ft in a 30 mile ride).Pretty sure he was actually asking about... you know... the landscape scenery...Chickitude is awesome at the start and end, but honestly there is only one girl that can keep up during the ride.but how is the scenery on that bike ride?tis:
'Protocols of Stringer Bell said:Running my first 10k this Sunday (in Santa Monica). Have been reading alot of the advice in here, excited for it
Just picture Omar chasing you and you'll probably win your age group.'Protocols of Stringer Bell said:Running my first 10k this Sunday (in Santa Monica). Have been reading alot of the advice in here, excited for it
I thought I was being original with an Omar reference and I see you beat me to it.Sorry about this. I know you are no fan of the heat. If any one can over come it I do believe it is you though. Drink a pre race gatorade slushy and goooooo!!!!!!!!!On the glass half full side I would expect lots of chicks wearing less clothing and maybe even some wet sweaty t shirtsWe interrupt your regularly scheduled heart rate talk for me to ##### about the weather...
I seriously can't get a ####### break lately....![]()
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Back to your regularly scheduled programming...
Discuss.Research has shown that endurance athletes get the best results from their training when they do 80 percent of it at a truly low intensity (below the lactate threshold), 10 percent at moderate intensity (at or near the lactate threshold), and 10 percent at a high intensity (above the lactate threshold).
My favorite race distance. Have a blast!'Protocols of Stringer Bell said:Running my first 10k this Sunday (in Santa Monica). Have been reading alot of the advice in here, excited for it
I'm so ####ed.Discuss.Research has shown that endurance athletes get the best results from their training when they do 80 percent of it at a truly low intensity (below the lactate threshold), 10 percent at moderate intensity (at or near the lactate threshold), and 10 percent at a high intensity (above the lactate threshold).
Ive been trying to cut back to something like that.I think my intervals and even tempos or pace runs were taking up too high of a percentage and it was hurting me some.Increasing my base with more slower miles to hopefully balance it out better.Discuss.Research has shown that endurance athletes get the best results from their training when they do 80 percent of it at a truly low intensity (below the lactate threshold), 10 percent at moderate intensity (at or near the lactate threshold), and 10 percent at a high intensity (above the lactate threshold).
here at work I use to get back/forth from plant to plant.
This is active recovery type stuff. I don't think you can hurt anything doing this.Oh yea!I have an "adult tricycle"here at work I use to get back/forth from plant to plant.I realized i could use my GPS watch to track my distance.
I start/stop when i get on/off. Take the long way to get from point A to point B, go for joy rides or do circles in the parking lot.So far in a couple of hours, I am at 2.15mAny drawbacks to this?I was thinking of doing this perhaps on off running days?OK to do on days when I do run?When I do run, I am basically doing 3m at a 10ish pace.
Turns out that Fun Bobby was fun for a reason.It was miserable for me and my friends made me promise to never do something so stupid again as I was apparently very boring (they kept calling me Fun Bobby).
And by the way, there are no hardware stores open past midnight in the Village.Turns out that Fun Bobby was fun for a reason.It was miserable for me and my friends made me promise to never do something so stupid again as I was apparently very boring (they kept calling me Fun Bobby).
From strictly an experienced runner's perspective, I agree 100% with the premise. I'd even argue that marathoner's should be 85-90% endurance based.'wraith5 said:Discuss.Research has shown that endurance athletes get the best results from their training when they do 80 percent of it at a truly low intensity (below the lactate threshold), 10 percent at moderate intensity (at or near the lactate threshold), and 10 percent at a high intensity (above the lactate threshold).
I think yesterday's HR mishap was because I turned it on before putting on the strap, which is a bunch of crap. Hopefully it was just an isolated incident since it's worked fine on the 3 other runs I've used it so far.By the end of the 2nd week, you should be feeling a big difference. You'll probably go to the opposite end of the spectrum and get really anxious about not running enough <insert taper madness here>. Dead or heavy legs is pretty common also. Trust the training...The taper is designed with 1 purpose in mind - getting you to the starting line as healthy as possible with losing the least amount of fitness. Your weekly volume is going to decrease a little bit the first week, with a more significant drop in week 2, then next to no running (relatively speaking) for race week. If there's one thing I learned about the taper, its to decrease volume but maintain intensity (pretty sure that came from the Pfitz book). Don't start loafing on your runs because you're tapering. The drop in volume is the key.At what point in your marathon taper should you stop feeling sore?Based on the workouts left through this weekend, pretty sure I'll still have some soreness with 2 weeks to go... Should I rest-out the soreness now or hope it gradually fades?
I imagine this would vary quite a bit per individual. I, for instance, rarely get sore muscles. I have more issues with mild tendonosis and stuff like that. If I were you, I'd just stick with the schedule.At what point in your marathon taper should you stop feeling sore?Based on the workouts left through this weekend, pretty sure I'll still have some soreness with 2 weeks to go... Should I rest-out the soreness now or hope it gradually fades?
By the end of the 2nd week, you should be feeling a big difference. You'll probably go to the opposite end of the spectrum and get really anxious about not running enough <insert taper madness here>. Dead or heavy legs is pretty common also. Trust the training...The taper is designed with 1 purpose in mind - getting you to the starting line as healthy as possible with losing the least amount of fitness. Your weekly volume is going to decrease a little bit the first week, with a more significant drop in week 2, then next to no running (relatively speaking) for race week. If there's one thing I learned about the taper, its to decrease volume but maintain intensity (pretty sure that came from the Pfitz book). Don't start loafing on your runs because you're tapering. The drop in volume is the key.At what point in your marathon taper should you stop feeling sore?
Based on the workouts left through this weekend, pretty sure I'll still have some soreness with 2 weeks to go... Should I rest-out the soreness now or hope it gradually fades?
Checking my 5K course for this weekend, I saw a 30-40 foot rise/fall around mile 1 then again on the way back around mile 2. I mean, you can't train for hills like that. You can only hope to endure. Right?
Anyway, it led me to add a new workout this a.m. Drove to a nearby urban hill (long and high RR overpass) and did some repeats (=3 miles). I should add that as a regular routine ...it's the best I can do for a weekday hill workout.Yo gb. 41 miles this morning at 20.4 mph pace (road bike, poopy wheels). Haven't downloaded the elevation yet, but it's the hillest local route we have. Feel like I'm starting to get the bike legs back. Flew up some short 7%er's at 20 mph and then blew up.Aero wheels going back on soon.Stick to vodka or bourbon. You get drunk too quick to get a lot of calories in.----Mostly to keep from gaining weight during my taper. I've been training for 4mos and I haven't lost a friggin pound. 180lbs. Do not want to go into the race a 185.
On my end, an interesting week so far. Bagged a swim Monday due to being sick (thanks to my 6 year old). I'm winding down right now, so got my work done yesterday and today - yesterday was a 30 mile ride with a few new PRs. Felt great on that ride and really rode strong. Today was a 5 mile run at lunch, holding a relatively easy 8:30 pace (getting hot, though). Tonight was a 2k swim. The main set was a 1500TT - done in 19:43(karate chop!
). Not bad considering the run and bike before this and about 20 seconds faster than last year. Pretty good set of workouts and it will ease up from here.
Yo gb. 41 miles this morning at 20.4 mph pace (road bike, poopy wheels). Haven't downloaded the elevation yet, but it's the hillest local route we have. Feel like I'm starting to get the bike legs back. Flew up some short 7%er's at 20 mph and then blew up.Aero wheels going back on soon.Stick to vodka or bourbon. You get drunk too quick to get a lot of calories in.----Mostly to keep from gaining weight during my taper. I've been training for 4mos and I haven't lost a friggin pound. 180lbs. Do not want to go into the race a 185.
On my end, an interesting week so far. Bagged a swim Monday due to being sick (thanks to my 6 year old). I'm winding down right now, so got my work done yesterday and today - yesterday was a 30 mile ride with a few new PRs. Felt great on that ride and really rode strong. Today was a 5 mile run at lunch, holding a relatively easy 8:30 pace (getting hot, though). Tonight was a 2k swim. The main set was a 1500TT - done in 19:43(karate chop!
). Not bad considering the run and bike before this and about 20 seconds faster than last year. Pretty good set of workouts and it will ease up from here.
Right now I have to physically count back the number of days since my last swim, since it continually seems like I haven't been in the pool in forever. Despite the fact it was yesterday.By the end of the 2nd week, you should be feeling a big difference. You'll probably go to the opposite end of the spectrum and get really anxious about not running enough <insert taper madness here>. Dead or heavy legs is pretty common also. Trust the training...
Well...was downhill.I have a BIB number of my welder Jose...if anyone wants???nice. Sanded the first mile I see.So...
5miles intermittently on my adult tricycle today
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looks like my 3 year old drew that course.
I don't understand a single thing you just said.'BassNBrew said:Been reading the posts about consuming alcohol the night before an event. Some things you should know I found on the net that make sense...1. Before you chug down that beer (or three) the night before your training run, here's something you should know: alcohol is metabolized by the liver. While that process is going on, the liver is not making as much glycogen, which you need for fuel to swim, bike, or run. That can have an effect on your endurance.2. Studies have shown that one beer will lower your heat tolerance for up to 3 days.It's an individual choice but when weighing out the pros and cons of adult beverages the night before an event considering the weeks / months of training invested, I'm going to hold off until after the event.![]()
I think he was trying to tell us he has a mangina.I don't understand a single thing you just said.'BassNBrew said:Been reading the posts about consuming alcohol the night before an event. Some things you should know I found on the net that make sense...1. Before you chug down that beer (or three) the night before your training run, here's something you should know: alcohol is metabolized by the liver. While that process is going on, the liver is not making as much glycogen, which you need for fuel to swim, bike, or run. That can have an effect on your endurance.2. Studies have shown that one beer will lower your heat tolerance for up to 3 days.It's an individual choice but when weighing out the pros and cons of adult beverages the night before an event considering the weeks / months of training invested, I'm going to hold off until after the event.![]()
I am pretty sure none of that is true.'BassNBrew said:Been reading the posts about consuming alcohol the night before an event. Some things you should know I found on the net that make sense...1. Before you chug down that beer (or three) the night before your training run, here's something you should know: alcohol is metabolized by the liver. While that process is going on, the liver is not making as much glycogen, which you need for fuel to swim, bike, or run. That can have an effect on your endurance.2. Studies have shown that one beer will lower your heat tolerance for up to 3 days.It's an individual choice but when weighing out the pros and cons of adult beverages the night before an event considering the weeks / months of training invested, I'm going to hold off until after the event.![]()

Id make sure your pace is slow enough that you can easily keep a conversation if you needed to.Build up the mileage slowly where you can run/jog the whole distance you are going for.4 days a week is a nice place to start at those 3-4 mile runs while you build up your strength.As for saying you doubt you will be doing many races...well, there is a long list of things many of us have said we likely would not do.So I just started taking up running. I like to hike, but with gas prices and being pretty close (1/2 mile) from a 1.4 mile dirt path around a park I figured taking up running during the week days was a cheaper alternative for my cardio. I'll still be a hiker/backpacker on the weekends so I'll probably never have the time to invest to become much of a runner. Either way, I ran 2 days last week and 3 this week. I was drinking a lot which killed my exercise schedule so I'm planning on running 4 times a week or so probably for short distances mainly. This week was 3 miles Monday, 4 miles Wednesday and only 2.5 miles today (still not running/jogging the whole way but most of it).Anyway, all that being said are there any good training tips around? I doubt I'll be doing much in the way of races and if I do probably no more than 5 or 10Ks. But I'd like to be in good enough shape to go for a run 45 minutes or an hour without walking. Is the best bet just keep going without much of a plan and try and improve each week until I'm a bit stronger then worry about training ideas?
But yeah, once you build up that base where you can run that 4 miles 4 times a week...or a bit more and build that base up, then you can start doing other things in there (intervals, fartleks, tempo runs...the fun stuff that hurts but feels great).