Ran a 10k in June (9 Viewers)

[Ned]

Set out to "just get a run in" this afternoon, as I'm traveling all next week so want to be sure to get a good week in. Hit one of my normal trails and after warming up decided to push it a bit and bumped the HR up to my MAF zone +15 or so, and according to Strava ran a couple of those segments faster than at any time in the past month (when I joined Strava). After 4 miles decided it seemed like a good time to do some hill repeats, so busted out four near all-out efforts on a little hill near the parking lot, with recovery jog back down. Felt good to do a little intensity, looking forward to continuing to mix that in with my typical MAF runs.

ETA: Won't get to do it while traveling for our Global Sales Kickoff (ie late nights drinking in Atlanta with the colleagues all week), but the week after I'll be doing an LT field test to help me plan my tempo/speed workouts more effectively. I'm planning on the below, any experience or thoughts on this?

After a 15 minute warm-up of easy running, finish with a few quick 20 seconds bursts to get your heart rate in the correct training zone.

The 30 minute TT begins.

At 10 minutes into the test, hit the 'Lap' button on your heart rate monitor, to get the average heart rate over the final 20 minutes of the test.

The average for the final 20 minutes is your Lactate Threshold or LT.

You should finish knowing you gave it everything you had.

15 minutes easy cool down.

So what sort of effort are you supposed to be running at during the TT? 30:00 doesn't seem long enough if you're using avg HR as the goal.

How to gauge effort on this is my biggest concern, as it's supposed to be as hard as you can run while still finishing. With my penchant for long, slow trail runs I'm not used to pushing it for longer than a hill here or an interval there, so not really sure how to start out. Friel addresses this in his book, "The key to this test is pacing. Almost everyone starts at too great an intensity and then fades in the last few minutes. It's not unusual to hear of athletes failing to finish the test the first time because of starting out too fast. Tell yourself you'll hold back just a little the first 10 minutes, and continually remind yourself of this once the test begins."I have a feeling I may have to try this a couple of times to get it right.

As for the duration, it's really not even 30 minutes but the avg HR for the last 20 that we're using as the estimate of the LT. This test is not only in Friel's book but one of the most common ones I came across just googling "LT test" across the interwebs.

Those of you that "know" your LT, how did you determine it? Lab testing or field test, and if a field test what did you do?

I found mine first by using the simple %mHR and then fine tuning it based on what I felt and saw in my tempo runs and races between 10K-HM. Then there's days like today's race (I'll post in a few) that just boggles my mind and makes me question what I really know.

 

[gruecd]

i don't really want to reel it back to 2 or 3 mile runs every other day for the next 2 months. do i just continue on as i am now (4-6 miles every other day) and pick up the plan in mid-February when the plan miles start to go up?

Yes.

also, anyone who is/has run in this thing, how fast does it fill up?

Hard to say exactly how fast, but it will fill. It's already 62% full. Just sign up. You also might want to check out their "Run for a Reason" thing where you get a free entry if you commit to raising $300 for charity.

 

[Ned]

2013 PSCI Icicle Run - 10mi

This is the third straight year that I've run this race and it's one of my favorites. It's usually a cold 20-25 degrees and windy, but today was different. Heavy fog and 45 degrees had me in a singlet and shorts for the first time in a few months. Goal was to go <1:14 with a negative split due to the course layout. I quickly found out that wasn't in the cards today.

The first 1.5mi or so is flat to downhill so it's easy to get ahead of yourself (I'm looking at you, Sand). I wanted to settle in at 7:20 or so and just get comfortable. Hills kick in just after mile 2 and carry on until 5.5 or so. Turn around at 10K and come back into the city with some nice downhills and some rollers mixed in. The biggest hill is at 9.4 so I like to save just a bit there for that.

First 5mi - 7:22/173, 7:12/183, 7:55/185, 7:55/186, 7:50/187 - 38:14 total

Just like I wanted except one thing. My HR was sky high. 178 is my LT and I wanted to be just below that for the first half. Ugh, 1:14 ain't happenin'. After the water station at 4.5 I decided to settle in and run by feel. I knew running this high of a HR was a recipe for disaster.

Second 5mi - 7:28/186, 7:32/186, 7:28/185, 7:29/185, 7:49/188 - 37:47 total

I settled in pretty well considering how high my HR was. No idea how or why, but I was able to maintain that the rest of the way in. The hill at 9.4 didn't disappoint. I knew I was nearing mHR when my hands and forearms were starting to tingle. :X I felt like I was crawling, but chugged on thru to the top focusing on form and knee drive.

Race wise it was a pretty uneventful race. Nobody to really hook up with and battle. Just out there on my own for the most part. It's a pretty stacked field, so I doubt I'll place in the top 10 of my AG.

Total time 1:16:24 unofficially (7:38). Almost 6 minutes faster than last year's race, so I'm happy with it. I've been struggling with accepting that I'm not in the shape I was back in Oct/Nov when I was prepping for Philly. I finally came to grips with that halfway thru this race. There's no forcing it. I'm glad I did and was able to enjoy the run without blowing up.

 

[Ned]

Just sign up.

 

[tri-man 47]

Just sign up.

Ned - nice time improvement on your race! Don't worry about where you're at now vs. the Philly training. I'm doing a lot of slow runs (including a 13 and 15 miler this past week) and can't fathom how I run those distances 90-120 seconds per mile faster. But with a strong base and then focused training, it'll happen once the season rolls around!

 

[Juxtatarot]

Nice race, Ned! I assume that's a PR for that distance, right?

 

[Juxtatarot]

Training Report Week 5

Tuesday 9 with 5 LT 2 up, then 6:54/155 HR, 6:26/164, 6:41/167, 6:32/168, 6:32/169, then 2 down. For the 5 miles, that totaled 33:05. Last June I ran a 5 mile race with Tri-man and finished in 33:13 so I think this is the fastest I've ever run 5 miles. VERY tiring run.

Wednesday 14 mile medium-long run Averaged 7:58/140

Thursday 5 recovery 9:06/126 HR I still felt fatigued from Tuesday. I’d been running recovery runs too fast recently. It’s amazing how much easier it is to run one properly when you’re tired!

Friday 12 mile medium-long run Averaged 7:41/143

Saturday 5 recovery Averaged 8:24/132

Sunday 18 with 10 at Marathon pace OK, the big run for the week. I'd been running outside all week as it has been unseasonably warm (although windy) before today. This morning it was in the 20s with a 30% chance of ice pellets. I'd planned on running this one outside too but the more I thought about it, the more I could see myself bailing as the MP portion got tough and the wind and ice pellets were beating down on me. I decided to run this one on the treadmill so I'd have no excuses. I ran the first 8 slower than usual. Set the treadmill for 7.0 mph pace. I then set the treadmill at 6:53 (actual one second slower than MP) for the next 10. Very tough. Almost quit 3 or 4 times but made it through. For the last 10, my HR creeped from 159 to 163.

63 miles total. Pleased with the results, of course. The speed work was tougher than it should have been but I feel I'm close to being on track. Big improvements over the last few weeks. I now head into a recovery week of only 55 miles. Good thing because I feel like I need it.

 

[beer 302]

Nice race Ned, you're speed continues to impress

Helluva week Juxt, jeez that's some serious mileage I still don't know how you guys do that kinda mileage and walk upright, amazing stuff.

My first week back that I felt good in the training. Unfortunately I'm dealing with what I think is Pes Anserinus Tendonitis. Basically it's tendinitis on the inside portion of your knee as opposed to the ITB pains we tend to get on the outside of the knee. Doesn't really hurt when I run, actually feels better when I do, but as soon as you sit down it gets sore as hell. RICE is about the only thing that works on it. I'm assuming it will go away at some point so I'm moving on. I've also had some foot pain that's driving me nuts. I think, due to the new Asics. Thought they were the right shoe but my feet have been miserable since I've had them. Just got NB 1080 V2's in on Saturday, took them out for a test run today and I'm hoping that fixes it.

Training Week 5

Mon - 3.1 miles, 9:22 pace. Not sure what you'd call these runs, general aerobic? Just putting in miles, not running real hard but more of an effort than a slow jog.

Tue - 6.2 mile hill repeats. Have been dreading this speed stuff but committed to following training schedule this time so picked a MF hill that is close to the beast on the course I'll be running in March and had at it. I've never run them before like this so it was new to me. Drove to the hill, parked at the school next to it, 1/4 mile warmup and GO! First time up I discovered this was not going to be as fun as I'd hoped so I ran half the hill every other one. Cardiowise I was ok but my legs couldn't hold up. Have to do better if I'm going to have a chance at under 2 hrs in March so this will become a regular workout for me.

Wed - 3.1 mile recovery run, 9:11 pace. Yea that recovery thing. . .

Thu - 6.5 miles, 5 mile tempo run. Tempo pace was 8:59 for 5 miles so happy with that. Downside was that was all I had. Again, have to do better, good start but not far enough @ that pace. Also got in 1.25 miles with the daughter, she was going out as I was coming home. Excited she is trying the couch-to-5k program.

Fri - 3.1 mile recovery run, 9:24 pace

Sat - 18.7 mile fun run, 10:33 pace. My long day, turned into a distance PR. First 8 miles were around 9:40 pace but was kinda undecided on where I wanted to go so I decided to bag it and just run for fun. Checked out a new trail that I was close to and ended up walking 3 or 4 times to get through it. Was surprised at what a difference that made. I wasn't totally jacked up all weekend and didn't feel like I had just gone 10 rounds with a prize fighter. Believe I will be employing this method of training again, big fan

Sun - 2 miles, 9:20 recovery run. Really want to try getting in something everyday to try and get time on my feet. Also wanted to get a run in the shoes in.

42.7 for the week

 

[SFBayDuck]

Sat - 18.7 mile fun run, 10:33 pace. My long day, turned into a distance PR. First 8 miles were around 9:40 pace but was kinda undecided on where I wanted to go so I decided to bag it and just run for fun. Checked out a new trail that I was close to and ended up walking 3 or 4 times to get through it. Was surprised at what a difference that made. I wasn't totally jacked up all weekend and didn't feel like I had just gone 10 rounds with a prize fighter. Believe I will be employing this method of training again, big fan

Now that's my kind of run! Trails are a different animal, at least for us mortals.

 

[tri-man 47]

Great weeks, Juxt and beer! Beer, those walk breaks let your HR drop ...that bit of a 'reset' is helpful in allowing you to knock off the longer distances, I believe. I noticed my HR drop just from a quick pee break on my 15 miler on Saturday. In the best of my five marathons (Big Sur), I actually had to take three pee breaks, and I wondered at the time if those very short rests - even when followed by a quick acceleration to make up lost time - were part of the reason for a successful race.

 

[beer 302]

Great weeks, Juxt and beer! Beer, those walk breaks let your HR drop ...that bit of a 'reset' is helpful in allowing you to knock off the longer distances, I believe. I noticed my HR drop just from a quick pee break on my 15 miler on Saturday. In the best of my five marathons (Big Sur), I actually had to take three pee breaks, and I wondered at the time if those very short rests - even when followed by a quick acceleration to make up lost time - were part of the reason for a successful race.

Certainly something to it. Old crusty runner dude at work employed the same method last year when he was running on a stress fracture and ran at or better than the pace he was running before. Saturday was unplanned but I think if I come up with some kind of comfortable, consistent method I could steadily increase my distance without killing myself. Kind of excited for the next LR now.

 

[Ned]

Ned - nice time improvement on your race! Don't worry about where you're at now vs. the Philly training. I'm doing a lot of slow runs (including a 13 and 15 miler this past week) and can't fathom how I run those distances 90-120 seconds per mile faster. But with a strong base and then focused training, it'll happen once the season rolls around!

Isn't it amazing how that happens? Its so easy to get addicted to that improvement and then you lose sight of where you came from.

Nice race, Ned! I assume that's a PR for that distance, right?

Thanks! Yeah this is the only 10 miler I do, so it's a PR. It's just not a PR friendly course. I gave back about 2:00 in the hills, so I know I can run a lot faster on a flat course. Either way, I'm happy.

 

[Ned]

Training Report Week 5

Thursday 5 recovery 9:06/126 HR I still felt fatigued from Tuesday. I’d been running recovery runs too fast recently. It’s amazing how much easier it is to run one properly when you’re tired!

63 miles total. Pleased with the results, of course. The speed work was tougher than it should have been but I feel I'm close to being on track. Big improvements over the last few weeks. I now head into a recovery week of only 55 miles. Good thing because I feel like I need it.

Awesome week. I think hitting those recovery runs at the right range is crucial to the jump from 55 to 70. That 126 HR is fantastic, assuming you're around a 185ish max. That's almost exactly where I'm at for a recovery run, percentage-wise.Funny how 55 suddenly seems like a relief, huh?

 

[Ned]

Nice race Ned, you're speed continues to impress

Helluva week Juxt, jeez that's some serious mileage I still don't know how you guys do that kinda mileage and walk upright, amazing stuff.

My first week back that I felt good in the training. Unfortunately I'm dealing with what I think is Pes Anserinus Tendonitis. Basically it's tendinitis on the inside portion of your knee as opposed to the ITB pains we tend to get on the outside of the knee. Doesn't really hurt when I run, actually feels better when I do, but as soon as you sit down it gets sore as hell. RICE is about the only thing that works on it. I'm assuming it will go away at some point so I'm moving on. I've also had some foot pain that's driving me nuts. I think, due to the new Asics. Thought they were the right shoe but my feet have been miserable since I've had them. Just got NB 1080 V2's in on Saturday, took them out for a test run today and I'm hoping that fixes it.

Training Week 5

Mon - 3.1 miles, 9:22 pace. Not sure what you'd call these runs, general aerobic? Just putting in miles, not running real hard but more of an effort than a slow jog.

Tue - 6.2 mile hill repeats. Have been dreading this speed stuff but committed to following training schedule this time so picked a MF hill that is close to the beast on the course I'll be running in March and had at it. I've never run them before like this so it was new to me. Drove to the hill, parked at the school next to it, 1/4 mile warmup and GO! First time up I discovered this was not going to be as fun as I'd hoped so I ran half the hill every other one. Cardiowise I was ok but my legs couldn't hold up. Have to do better if I'm going to have a chance at under 2 hrs in March so this will become a regular workout for me.

Wed - 3.1 mile recovery run, 9:11 pace. Yea that recovery thing. . .

Thu - 6.5 miles, 5 mile tempo run. Tempo pace was 8:59 for 5 miles so happy with that. Downside was that was all I had. Again, have to do better, good start but not far enough @ that pace. Also got in 1.25 miles with the daughter, she was going out as I was coming home. Excited she is trying the couch-to-5k program.

Fri - 3.1 mile recovery run, 9:24 pace

Sat - 18.7 mile fun run, 10:33 pace. My long day, turned into a distance PR. First 8 miles were around 9:40 pace but was kinda undecided on where I wanted to go so I decided to bag it and just run for fun. Checked out a new trail that I was close to and ended up walking 3 or 4 times to get through it. Was surprised at what a difference that made. I wasn't totally jacked up all weekend and didn't feel like I had just gone 10 rounds with a prize fighter. Believe I will be employing this method of training again, big fan

Sun - 2 miles, 9:20 recovery run. Really want to try getting in something everyday to try and get time on my feet. Also wanted to get a run in the shoes in.

42.7 for the week

Congrats on the week and the distance PR! Be careful with that knee/foot. Very cool about your daughter. This running habit is contagious with the family!Some unsolicited advice.... I think your pacing is too close together. GA should be conversational type effort, recovery should be embarrassingly slow, and tempo should be comfortably uncomfortable. Tempo should end up being between 15K - HM pacing. Which that 8:59 fits in well if you're still targeting a <2:00 HM. But your Mon-Wed paces for GA, recovery, tempo were almost identical. Which essentially means you ran 3 tempo runs in a row. I'd recommend slowing everything down. You'd be surprised at how much easier that tempo run becomes.

If we assume your HM pace is around 9:00, we can back into your other paces... Recovery = 11:00 (OR SLOWER!), LR/GA = 10:15, tempo = 8:45-9:00. You can fine tune that, but it's a much more efficient way to go about this. If you keep running this much volume at HM effort, it's going to catch up with you. I know it seems impossible to go that slow and you'll feel like you're going backwards since you've become accustomed to running the way you are, but trust me. You sound just like I did 2 years ago. I wish I had listened to guys like Ivan who were saying these same sorta things to me when I started. I'd be much further ahead if I had listened a lot sooner.

I'd also forget about that Sunday run. Recovery is crucial. I know it was only 2mi, but you'd be better off taking a full rest day after 6 consecutive days. Even the gruetron takes rest days.

 

[gruecd]

Great week, Juxt! Are you really shooting for sub-3 at Boston? Assuming decent (cold) weather, I'm thinking more like 3:05-3:10, but a course PR (sub-3:09:48) would be great. Awesome week for you, too, beer. And Ned, nice job on that 10-miler.

Pretty good week for me last week as I continue to come back from the Achilles injury. Did 5 runs totaling 41 miles, including 10- and 16-milers. Felt zero pain on the 16, so I'm almost back. This week I'll rachet up to 45 miles, and I'll only take one rest day. It'll be the first time in a couple of months that I've run 5 days in a row.

Next week Monday starts my 12-week Boston training. Pfitz wants 55 miles, including 15/8MP on Saturday. Oughtta be interesting...

 

[beer 302]

Congrats on the week and the distance PR! Be careful with that knee/foot. Very cool about your daughter. This running habit is contagious with the family!

Some unsolicited advice.... I think your pacing is too close together. GA should be conversational type effort, recovery should be embarrassingly slow, and tempo should be comfortably uncomfortable. Tempo should end up being between 15K - HM pacing. Which that 8:59 fits in well if you're still targeting a <2:00 HM. But your Mon-Wed paces for GA, recovery, tempo were almost identical. Which essentially means you ran 3 tempo runs in a row. I'd recommend slowing everything down. You'd be surprised at how much easier that tempo run becomes.

If we assume your HM pace is around 9:00, we can back into your other paces... Recovery = 11:00 (OR SLOWER!), LR/GA = 10:15, tempo = 8:45-9:00. You can fine tune that, but it's a much more efficient way to go about this. If you keep running this much volume at HM effort, it's going to catch up with you. I know it seems impossible to go that slow and you'll feel like you're going backwards since you've become accustomed to running the way you are, but trust me. You sound just like I did 2 years ago. I wish I had listened to guys like Ivan who were saying these same sorta things to me when I started. I'd be much further ahead if I had listened a lot sooner.

I'd also forget about that Sunday run. Recovery is crucial. I know it was only 2mi, but you'd be better off taking a full rest day after 6 consecutive days. Even the gruetron takes rest days.

Absolutely agree. I didn't really notice so much until I typed it up last night then I cringed. Everyday is damn near the same. Your times are spot on and what I'll be shooting for going forward. GA run this morning was right at 10. Hate it but I know I need to do that.Thanks coach! Had the same problem last year and I never really embraced the different "types" of runs & pacing. Said I was sticking to the schedule this training cycle and it means doing exactly what you outlined above. Not going to get any better doing it my way.

 

[gruecd]

Absolutely agree. I didn't really notice so much until I typed it up last night then I cringed. Everyday is damn near the same. Your times are spot on and what I'll be shooting for going forward. GA run this morning was right at 10. Hate it but I know I need to do that.Thanks coach! Had the same problem last year and I never really embraced the different "types" of runs & pacing. Said I was sticking to the schedule this training cycle and it means doing exactly what you outlined above. Not going to get any better doing it my way.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Great week, Juxt! Are you really shooting for sub-3 at Boston?

I'm hoping to do that but, of course, there are so many factors. First and foremost I have to see where training takes me. I've never run this many miles before so hopefully that will pay off and what is hard now won't seem so bad by April. I'm fairly far away from where I need to be at this point, particularly considering the Boston hills. Weather will have to be ideal too. My plan is to train for sub 3:00 but if the weather or hills get me, I'll dial it back during the race and find an early May marathon to run out here in the flatlands.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Congrats on the week and the distance PR! Be careful with that knee/foot. Very cool about your daughter. This running habit is contagious with the family!

Some unsolicited advice.... I think your pacing is too close together. GA should be conversational type effort, recovery should be embarrassingly slow, and tempo should be comfortably uncomfortable. Tempo should end up being between 15K - HM pacing. Which that 8:59 fits in well if you're still targeting a <2:00 HM. But your Mon-Wed paces for GA, recovery, tempo were almost identical. Which essentially means you ran 3 tempo runs in a row. I'd recommend slowing everything down. You'd be surprised at how much easier that tempo run becomes.

If we assume your HM pace is around 9:00, we can back into your other paces... Recovery = 11:00 (OR SLOWER!), LR/GA = 10:15, tempo = 8:45-9:00. You can fine tune that, but it's a much more efficient way to go about this. If you keep running this much volume at HM effort, it's going to catch up with you. I know it seems impossible to go that slow and you'll feel like you're going backwards since you've become accustomed to running the way you are, but trust me. You sound just like I did 2 years ago. I wish I had listened to guys like Ivan who were saying these same sorta things to me when I started. I'd be much further ahead if I had listened a lot sooner.

I'd also forget about that Sunday run. Recovery is crucial. I know it was only 2mi, but you'd be better off taking a full rest day after 6 consecutive days. Even the gruetron takes rest days.

Absolutely agree. I didn't really notice so much until I typed it up last night then I cringed. Everyday is damn near the same. Your times are spot on and what I'll be shooting for going forward. GA run this morning was right at 10. Hate it but I know I need to do that.Thanks coach! Had the same problem last year and I never really embraced the different "types" of runs & pacing. Said I was sticking to the schedule this training cycle and it means doing exactly what you outlined above. Not going to get any better doing it my way.

It might be time to invest in a heart rate monitor too. At a minimum, it helps reinforce the "Wait a minute! I'm running WAY too fast!" realization.

 

[FUBAR]

Some unsolicited advice.... I think your pacing is too close together. GA should be conversational type effort, recovery should be embarrassingly slow, and tempo should be comfortably uncomfortable. Tempo should end up being between 15K - HM pacing. Which that 8:59 fits in well if you're still targeting a <2:00 HM. But your Mon-Wed paces for GA, recovery, tempo were almost identical. Which essentially means you ran 3 tempo runs in a row. I'd recommend slowing everything down. You'd be surprised at how much easier that tempo run becomes.

If we assume your HM pace is around 9:00, we can back into your other paces... Recovery = 11:00 (OR SLOWER!), LR/GA = 10:15, tempo = 8:45-9:00. You can fine tune that, but it's a much more efficient way to go about this. If you keep running this much volume at HM effort, it's going to catch up with you. I know it seems impossible to go that slow and you'll feel like you're going backwards since you've become accustomed to running the way you are, but trust me. You sound just like I did 2 years ago. I wish I had listened to guys like Ivan who were saying these same sorta things to me when I started. I'd be much further ahead if I had listened a lot sooner.

I'd also forget about that Sunday run. Recovery is crucial. I know it was only 2mi, but you'd be better off taking a full rest day after 6 consecutive days. Even the gruetron takes rest days.

Eventually hopefully this advice will set in with me too.

 

[Miscellaneous]

I don't post regularly to this thread, since I'm running such insignificant numbers, but so far, I'm doing pretty well. Temperatures have been in the 30s and 40s, and I've still gotten out for 6 runs in the first 13 days of the year. Trying to figure out which 10K / 10 mi / HM I want to do this spring; planning on a HM Aug-Oct of this year.

 

[beer 302]

It might be time to invest in a heart rate monitor too. At a minimum, it helps reinforce the "Wait a minute! I'm running WAY too fast!" realization.

I use a wrist HR monitor to spot check but at best it's finicky. I was checking it every mile on Saturday to try to stay under 148 so I do use it just not to the extent you all do. I know Ned will take me off the Christmas card list for this so I've been purposefully avoiding the topic

 

[sho nuff]

I don't post regularly to this thread, since I'm running such insignificant numbers, but so far, I'm doing pretty well. Temperatures have been in the 30s and 40s, and I've still gotten out for 6 runs in the first 13 days of the year. Trying to figure out which 10K / 10 mi / HM I want to do this spring; planning on a HM Aug-Oct of this year.

There are no insignificant numbers.

 

[BassNBrew]

Will post more later but I'm relatively alive with a 50k and 30k in the rear view mirror. Race temps / humidity were 60-70 degree, 90% to 100% on Sat and 55-65, 85% to 100% on Sunday.

 

[Ned]

Will post more later but I'm relatively alive with a 50k and 30k in the rear view mirror. Race temps / humidity were 60-70 degree, 90% to 100% on Sat and 55-65, 85% to 100% on Sunday.

never a doubt

 

[Sand]

Will post more later but I'm relatively alive with a 50k and 30k in the rear view mirror. Race temps / humidity were 60-70 degree, 90% to 100% on Sat and 55-65, 85% to 100% on Sunday.

------Not much going on here. Nice 55 mile ride Saturday - set PRs on 4 major hill climbs. Today was a 5 mile run in 45F drizzle. Thought about the treadmill - not even close. Went out to run.

 

[sho nuff]

Bout 70 degrees Saturday. ...28 and windy today.Got another nice 6 miler in.Nothing fancy at this point. ..just easy miles for another week or two getting used to being back running regularly before any plan I do for the next half.

 

[tri-man 47]

Will post more later but I'm relatively alive with a 50k and 30k in the rear view mirror. Race temps / humidity were 60-70 degree, 90% to 100% on Sat and 55-65, 85% to 100% on Sunday.

never a doubt

 

[prosopis]

I don't post regularly to this thread, since I'm running such insignificant numbers, but so far, I'm doing pretty well. Temperatures have been in the 30s and 40s, and I've still gotten out for 6 runs in the first 13 days of the year. Trying to figure out which 10K / 10 mi / HM I want to do this spring; planning on a HM Aug-Oct of this year.

There are no insignificant numbers.

Welcome Miscellaneous

 

[prosopis]

Will post more later but I'm relatively alive with a 50k and 30k in the rear view mirror. Race temps / humidity were 60-70 degree, 90% to 100% on Sat and 55-65, 85% to 100% on Sunday.

dude Cant wait to hear about it.

 

[prosopis]

I may have trouble.I went to bed feeling relatively fine. There is always some aches/pains but nothing out of the ordinary. I woke up with what felt like a pulled rt gluteous maximus. It really hurt. My whole right butt cheek felt strained. I went to work and things were getting worse. I started getting pain where they say "he pulled a hammy" when an athlete grabs at that area. I took some IBU and things seemed to get better. IBU must have worn off and things got worse. I have my entire upper rt leg in pain. I did get on the treadmill to see what would happen and I gutted out 3 miles @ 9:31 and quit. The area hurts when I sit. There is no way I could squat my own body weight right now. I just took more IBU and I will see what happens. Hoping to do some upper body work and elyptical tomorrow.Any wanna be doctors here who have any idea what is going on?As I sit here I have serious pain from my right hip to about half way to my knee. * New Ravennas last week, associated?

 

[sho nuff]

I may have trouble.I went to bed feeling relatively fine. There is always some aches/pains but nothing out of the ordinary. I woke up with what felt like a pulled rt gluteous maximus. It really hurt. My whole right butt cheek felt strained. I went to work and things were getting worse. I started getting pain where they say "he pulled a hammy" when an athlete grabs at that area. I took some IBU and things seemed to get better. IBU must have worn off and things got worse. I have my entire upper rt leg in pain. I did get on the treadmill to see what would happen and I gutted out 3 miles @ 9:31 and quit. The area hurts when I sit. There is no way I could squat my own body weight right now. I just took more IBU and I will see what happens. Hoping to do some upper body work and elyptical tomorrow.Any wanna be doctors here who have any idea what is going on?As I sit here I have serious pain from my right hip to about half way to my knee. * New Ravennas last week, associated?

I have pulled my ###/hammy up high like that before. Been a long time. It sucks.Mine happened water skiing in some chop when I was younger (12-13 was during baseball season). Tried to come back too quickly too back then. Thought I was fine til up to bat...made contact and started off to first base when my left leg seemed to stay back at the plate as I tried taking off. Doubt the shoes had anything to do with any of it.Not really sure whats up with you and my story doesn't help...so...really not sure what the hell Im saying.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Will post more later but I'm relatively alive with a 50k and 30k in the rear view mirror. Race temps / humidity were 60-70 degree, 90% to 100% on Sat and 55-65, 85% to 100% on Sunday.

never a doubt

Nice! Can't wait to hear the details.

 

[Ned]

I may have trouble.I went to bed feeling relatively fine. There is always some aches/pains but nothing out of the ordinary. I woke up with what felt like a pulled rt gluteous maximus. It really hurt. My whole right butt cheek felt strained. I went to work and things were getting worse. I started getting pain where they say "he pulled a hammy" when an athlete grabs at that area. I took some IBU and things seemed to get better. IBU must have worn off and things got worse. I have my entire upper rt leg in pain. I did get on the treadmill to see what would happen and I gutted out 3 miles @ 9:31 and quit. The area hurts when I sit. There is no way I could squat my own body weight right now. I just took more IBU and I will see what happens. Hoping to do some upper body work and elyptical tomorrow.Any wanna be doctors here who have any idea what is going on?As I sit here I have serious pain from my right hip to about half way to my knee. * New Ravennas last week, associated?

Unless you did some weird kicking in your sleep, I doubt you pulled anything in your sleep. It could just be a nasty knot that needs to be worked out. Do you have a foam roller? Seeing a MT an option? I'd skip the running or elyptical until you get this figured out since it's that painful when just sitting. No good can come from gutting it out.

 

[sho nuff]

I may have trouble.

I went to bed feeling relatively fine. There is always some aches/pains but nothing out of the ordinary. I woke up with what felt like a pulled rt gluteous maximus.

It really hurt. My whole right butt cheek felt strained. I went to work and things were getting worse. I started getting pain where they say "he pulled a hammy" when an athlete grabs at that area. I took some IBU and things seemed to get better. IBU must have worn off and things got worse. I have my entire upper rt leg in pain. I did get on the treadmill to see what would happen and I gutted out 3 miles @ 9:31 and quit. The area hurts when I sit. There is no way I could squat my own body weight right now. I just took more IBU and I will see what happens. Hoping to do some upper body work and elyptical tomorrow.

Any wanna be doctors here who have any idea what is going on?

As I sit here I have serious pain from my right hip to about half way to my knee.

* New Ravennas last week, associated?

Unless you did some weird kicking in your sleep, I doubt you pulled anything in your sleep. It could just be a nasty knot that needs to be worked out. Do you have a foam roller? Seeing a MT an option? I'd skip the running or elyptical until you get this figured out since it's that painful when just sitting. No good can come from gutting it out.

And since it hurts to sit...avoid horses too (you know don't do any horseback riding...what did you think I meant?).

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Will post more later but I'm relatively alive with a 50k and 30k in the rear view mirror. Race temps / humidity were 60-70 degree, 90% to 100% on Sat and 55-65, 85% to 100% on Sunday.

Goodness. Nice job.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I may have trouble.I went to bed feeling relatively fine. There is always some aches/pains but nothing out of the ordinary. I woke up with what felt like a pulled rt gluteous maximus. It really hurt. My whole right butt cheek felt strained. I went to work and things were getting worse. I started getting pain where they say "he pulled a hammy" when an athlete grabs at that area. I took some IBU and things seemed to get better. IBU must have worn off and things got worse. I have my entire upper rt leg in pain. I did get on the treadmill to see what would happen and I gutted out 3 miles @ 9:31 and quit. The area hurts when I sit. There is no way I could squat my own body weight right now. I just took more IBU and I will see what happens. Hoping to do some upper body work and elyptical tomorrow.Any wanna be doctors here who have any idea what is going on?As I sit here I have serious pain from my right hip to about half way to my knee. * New Ravennas last week, associated?

Unless you did some weird kicking in your sleep, I doubt you pulled anything in your sleep. It could just be a nasty knot that needs to be worked out. Do you have a foam roller? Seeing a MT an option? I'd skip the running or elyptical until you get this figured out since it's that painful when just sitting. No good can come from gutting it out.

Agreed. Usually a pulled hamstring happens while you're actually running, and you know it immediately. It isn't the sort of thing you just wake up with. That said, don't force it. Much better to take a little time off than to try to run on a questionable hamstring.

 

[prosopis]

Still have some soreness but I feel about 70% better I really dont get it. Yesterday I had to be careful sitting and today I feel sore. I did stick to the elyptical and weights today. Depending on how it feels tomorrow I may try a run. I really have no good explanation on why it was so bad yesterday and seemingly much better today.

 

[Sand]

Still have some soreness but I feel about 70% better I really dont get it. Yesterday I had to be careful sitting and today I feel sore. I did stick to the elyptical and weights today. Depending on how it feels tomorrow I may try a run. I really have no good explanation on why it was so bad yesterday and seemingly much better today.

Sometimes a good night's sleep does wonders.BTW - this is the best thing I've seen regarding Lance lately. Well worth the 10 second look!

 

[BassNBrew]

Curious if there's a trail race code about sprinting it out for 116th place in a 30k race?Not sure why I thought running a 30k race the day after a 50k race was a good idea. My goal time was to break 4:15 with a stretch goal of 4 hours. 200+ at the start line and I was in 5th from last at the one mile mark. The race started 137 ft climb and at my 12 min pace the pack was quickly out of sight. Every step was painful. Calves were screaming, feet were crying, quads complaining, and hammies fortunately only occasionally barking. I was expecting my body to say enough at any time, but as the miles ticked along, my pace was holding in the 12:00 to 12:30 range. I'm not exactly sure when it happening, but sometime around the midway point I wasn't feeling the pain anymore. I had started passing people beginning around mile 2 and worked my way up to around 135th by mile 15. Left the rest station at mile 15 feeling good and was determine to pass as many people as I could in the last 4 miles. This is the exact time my pace in the 50k the day before began to impode. I kept seeing people off in the distance and gradually began ramping up the effort to reel them in. I kept telling myself to go run down one more only to see another bogey further down the trail. Ended up picking off about 20 people, the last one about 300 yards from the finish. Mile 16 was a 10'46", fastest of the day. Mile 17, 12'28" with two climbs I had to walk totally 157 ft. Mile 18, 10'55" for the second fastest of the day. The last mile was all uphill and 11'19". One of the volunteers says last bend and as I round it I see the finish line about 100 yards out. At 50 yards I look over my shoulder and see the last female I passed ramping up the effort and had closed a 10 yard gap to about five. I pick up the pace enough to attempt to demonstrate that any finish line heroics would be for naught. I was shocked when when into a full sprint and was right on my heels. I sometimes can't help myself in these situations and let it slip out..."Don't even think about trying that bullpoop". It was game on now and fun 19 mile trail run turned into a full out sprint. You would have thought we were fighting for the last olympic qualifying spot rather than 116th place. I held her off by a couple of steps. I was rather embarrassed at the finish line as everyone was hooting it up. She gave me a congratutory fist bump and said that she thought she was going to catch me. The event ended up being long at 19 miles rather than 18.6. Finished in 3:49.49, good for a 12:05 pace. Ran this on 4.5 hours sleep coming off a 3 hour night of sleep. Actually negetive split the event. Well beyond any expectations on trashed legs and a huge confidence builder for Umstead.Course was amazing. 90% single track around the mountain Lake Fontana. Rain and the previous days race had turned the trails to mud and slop.

 

[tri-man 47]

Curious if there's a trail race code about sprinting it out for 116th place in a 30k race?Not sure why I thought running a 30k race the day after a 50k race was a good idea. My goal time was to break 4:15 with a stretch goal of 4 hours. 200+ at the start line and I was in 5th from last at the one mile mark. The race started 137 ft climb and at my 12 min pace the pack was quickly out of sight. Every step was painful. Calves were screaming, feet were crying, quads complaining, and hammies fortunately only occasionally barking. I was expecting my body to say enough at any time, but as the miles ticked along, my pace was holding in the 12:00 to 12:30 range. I'm not exactly sure when it happening, but sometime around the midway point I wasn't feeling the pain anymore. I had started passing people beginning around mile 2 and worked my way up to around 135th by mile 15. Left the rest station at mile 15 feeling good and was determine to pass as many people as I could in the last 4 miles. This is the exact time my pace in the 50k the day before began to impode. I kept seeing people off in the distance and gradually began ramping up the effort to reel them in. I kept telling myself to go run down one more only to see another bogey further down the trail. Ended up picking off about 20 people, the last one about 300 yards from the finish. Mile 16 was a 10'46", fastest of the day. Mile 17, 12'28" with two climbs I had to walk totally 157 ft. Mile 18, 10'55" for the second fastest of the day. The last mile was all uphill and 11'19". One of the volunteers says last bend and as I round it I see the finish line about 100 yards out. At 50 yards I look over my shoulder and see the last female I passed ramping up the effort and had closed a 10 yard gap to about five. I pick up the pace enough to attempt to demonstrate that any finish line heroics would be for naught. I was shocked when when into a full sprint and was right on my heels. I sometimes can't help myself in these situations and let it slip out..."Don't even think about trying that bullpoop". It was game on now and fun 19 mile trail run turned into a full out sprint. You would have thought we were fighting for the last olympic qualifying spot rather than 116th place. I held her off by a couple of steps. I was rather embarrassed at the finish line as everyone was hooting it up. She gave me a congratutory fist bump and said that she thought she was going to catch me. The event ended up being long at 19 miles rather than 18.6. Finished in 3:49.49, good for a 12:05 pace. Ran this on 4.5 hours sleep coming off a 3 hour night of sleep. Actually negetive split the event. Well beyond any expectations on trashed legs and a huge confidence builder for Umstead.Course was amazing. 90% single track around the mountain Lake Fontana. Rain and the previous days race had turned the trails to mud and slop.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Curious if there's a trail race code about sprinting it out for 116th place in a 30k race?Not sure why I thought running a 30k race the day after a 50k race was a good idea. My goal time was to break 4:15 with a stretch goal of 4 hours. 200+ at the start line and I was in 5th from last at the one mile mark. The race started 137 ft climb and at my 12 min pace the pack was quickly out of sight. Every step was painful. Calves were screaming, feet were crying, quads complaining, and hammies fortunately only occasionally barking. I was expecting my body to say enough at any time, but as the miles ticked along, my pace was holding in the 12:00 to 12:30 range. I'm not exactly sure when it happening, but sometime around the midway point I wasn't feeling the pain anymore. I had started passing people beginning around mile 2 and worked my way up to around 135th by mile 15. Left the rest station at mile 15 feeling good and was determine to pass as many people as I could in the last 4 miles. This is the exact time my pace in the 50k the day before began to impode. I kept seeing people off in the distance and gradually began ramping up the effort to reel them in. I kept telling myself to go run down one more only to see another bogey further down the trail. Ended up picking off about 20 people, the last one about 300 yards from the finish. Mile 16 was a 10'46", fastest of the day. Mile 17, 12'28" with two climbs I had to walk totally 157 ft. Mile 18, 10'55" for the second fastest of the day. The last mile was all uphill and 11'19". One of the volunteers says last bend and as I round it I see the finish line about 100 yards out. At 50 yards I look over my shoulder and see the last female I passed ramping up the effort and had closed a 10 yard gap to about five. I pick up the pace enough to attempt to demonstrate that any finish line heroics would be for naught. I was shocked when when into a full sprint and was right on my heels. I sometimes can't help myself in these situations and let it slip out..."Don't even think about trying that bullpoop". It was game on now and fun 19 mile trail run turned into a full out sprint. You would have thought we were fighting for the last olympic qualifying spot rather than 116th place. I held her off by a couple of steps. I was rather embarrassed at the finish line as everyone was hooting it up. She gave me a congratutory fist bump and said that she thought she was going to catch me. The event ended up being long at 19 miles rather than 18.6. Finished in 3:49.49, good for a 12:05 pace. Ran this on 4.5 hours sleep coming off a 3 hour night of sleep. Actually negetive split the event. Well beyond any expectations on trashed legs and a huge confidence builder for Umstead.Course was amazing. 90% single track around the mountain Lake Fontana. Rain and the previous days race had turned the trails to mud and slop.

Great job, BnB!

 

[sho nuff]

Curious if there's a trail race code about sprinting it out for 116th place in a 30k race?Not sure why I thought running a 30k race the day after a 50k race was a good idea. My goal time was to break 4:15 with a stretch goal of 4 hours. 200+ at the start line and I was in 5th from last at the one mile mark. The race started 137 ft climb and at my 12 min pace the pack was quickly out of sight. Every step was painful. Calves were screaming, feet were crying, quads complaining, and hammies fortunately only occasionally barking. I was expecting my body to say enough at any time, but as the miles ticked along, my pace was holding in the 12:00 to 12:30 range. I'm not exactly sure when it happening, but sometime around the midway point I wasn't feeling the pain anymore. I had started passing people beginning around mile 2 and worked my way up to around 135th by mile 15. Left the rest station at mile 15 feeling good and was determine to pass as many people as I could in the last 4 miles. This is the exact time my pace in the 50k the day before began to impode. I kept seeing people off in the distance and gradually began ramping up the effort to reel them in. I kept telling myself to go run down one more only to see another bogey further down the trail. Ended up picking off about 20 people, the last one about 300 yards from the finish. Mile 16 was a 10'46", fastest of the day. Mile 17, 12'28" with two climbs I had to walk totally 157 ft. Mile 18, 10'55" for the second fastest of the day. The last mile was all uphill and 11'19". One of the volunteers says last bend and as I round it I see the finish line about 100 yards out. At 50 yards I look over my shoulder and see the last female I passed ramping up the effort and had closed a 10 yard gap to about five. I pick up the pace enough to attempt to demonstrate that any finish line heroics would be for naught. I was shocked when when into a full sprint and was right on my heels. I sometimes can't help myself in these situations and let it slip out..."Don't even think about trying that bullpoop". It was game on now and fun 19 mile trail run turned into a full out sprint. You would have thought we were fighting for the last olympic qualifying spot rather than 116th place. I held her off by a couple of steps. I was rather embarrassed at the finish line as everyone was hooting it up. She gave me a congratutory fist bump and said that she thought she was going to catch me. The event ended up being long at 19 miles rather than 18.6. Finished in 3:49.49, good for a 12:05 pace. Ran this on 4.5 hours sleep coming off a 3 hour night of sleep. Actually negetive split the event. Well beyond any expectations on trashed legs and a huge confidence builder for Umstead.Course was amazing. 90% single track around the mountain Lake Fontana. Rain and the previous days race had turned the trails to mud and slop.

Great job, BnB!

In her head she was saying "watch me make this poor sap sprint to the finish".

 

[Ned]

Curious if there's a trail race code about sprinting it out for 116th place in a 30k race?

Not sure why I thought running a 30k race the day after a 50k race was a good idea. My goal time was to break 4:15 with a stretch goal of 4 hours. 200+ at the start line and I was in 5th from last at the one mile mark. The race started 137 ft climb and at my 12 min pace the pack was quickly out of sight. Every step was painful. Calves were screaming, feet were crying, quads complaining, and hammies fortunately only occasionally barking. I was expecting my body to say enough at any time, but as the miles ticked along, my pace was holding in the 12:00 to 12:30 range. I'm not exactly sure when it happening, but sometime around the midway point I wasn't feeling the pain anymore. I had started passing people beginning around mile 2 and worked my way up to around 135th by mile 15. Left the rest station at mile 15 feeling good and was determine to pass as many people as I could in the last 4 miles. This is the exact time my pace in the 50k the day before began to impode. I kept seeing people off in the distance and gradually began ramping up the effort to reel them in. I kept telling myself to go run down one more only to see another bogey further down the trail. Ended up picking off about 20 people, the last one about 300 yards from the finish. Mile 16 was a 10'46", fastest of the day. Mile 17, 12'28" with two climbs I had to walk totally 157 ft. Mile 18, 10'55" for the second fastest of the day. The last mile was all uphill and 11'19".

One of the volunteers says last bend and as I round it I see the finish line about 100 yards out. At 50 yards I look over my shoulder and see the last female I passed ramping up the effort and had closed a 10 yard gap to about five. I pick up the pace enough to attempt to demonstrate that any finish line heroics would be for naught. I was shocked when when into a full sprint and was right on my heels. I sometimes can't help myself in these situations and let it slip out..."Don't even think about trying that bullpoop". It was game on now and fun 19 mile trail run turned into a full out sprint. You would have thought we were fighting for the last olympic qualifying spot rather than 116th place. I held her off by a couple of steps. I was rather embarrassed at the finish line as everyone was hooting it up. She gave me a congratutory fist bump and said that she thought she was going to catch me.

The event ended up being long at 19 miles rather than 18.6. Finished in 3:49.49, good for a 12:05 pace. Ran this on 4.5 hours sleep coming off a 3 hour night of sleep. Actually negetive split the event. Well beyond any expectations on trashed legs and a huge confidence builder for Umstead.

Course was amazing. 90% single track around the mountain Lake Fontana. Rain and the previous days race had turned the trails to mud and slop.

You are not human.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Curious if there's a trail race code about sprinting it out for 116th place in a 30k race?

Not sure why I thought running a 30k race the day after a 50k race was a good idea. My goal time was to break 4:15 with a stretch goal of 4 hours. 200+ at the start line and I was in 5th from last at the one mile mark. The race started 137 ft climb and at my 12 min pace the pack was quickly out of sight. Every step was painful. Calves were screaming, feet were crying, quads complaining, and hammies fortunately only occasionally barking. I was expecting my body to say enough at any time, but as the miles ticked along, my pace was holding in the 12:00 to 12:30 range. I'm not exactly sure when it happening, but sometime around the midway point I wasn't feeling the pain anymore. I had started passing people beginning around mile 2 and worked my way up to around 135th by mile 15. Left the rest station at mile 15 feeling good and was determine to pass as many people as I could in the last 4 miles. This is the exact time my pace in the 50k the day before began to impode. I kept seeing people off in the distance and gradually began ramping up the effort to reel them in. I kept telling myself to go run down one more only to see another bogey further down the trail. Ended up picking off about 20 people, the last one about 300 yards from the finish. Mile 16 was a 10'46", fastest of the day. Mile 17, 12'28" with two climbs I had to walk totally 157 ft. Mile 18, 10'55" for the second fastest of the day. The last mile was all uphill and 11'19".

One of the volunteers says last bend and as I round it I see the finish line about 100 yards out. At 50 yards I look over my shoulder and see the last female I passed ramping up the effort and had closed a 10 yard gap to about five. I pick up the pace enough to attempt to demonstrate that any finish line heroics would be for naught. I was shocked when when into a full sprint and was right on my heels. I sometimes can't help myself in these situations and let it slip out..."Don't even think about trying that bullpoop". It was game on now and fun 19 mile trail run turned into a full out sprint. You would have thought we were fighting for the last olympic qualifying spot rather than 116th place. I held her off by a couple of steps. I was rather embarrassed at the finish line as everyone was hooting it up. She gave me a congratutory fist bump and said that she thought she was going to catch me.

The event ended up being long at 19 miles rather than 18.6. Finished in 3:49.49, good for a 12:05 pace. Ran this on 4.5 hours sleep coming off a 3 hour night of sleep. Actually negetive split the event. Well beyond any expectations on trashed legs and a huge confidence builder for Umstead.

Course was amazing. 90% single track around the mountain Lake Fontana. Rain and the previous days race had turned the trails to mud and slop.

Great job, BNB.

 

[gruecd]

I sometimes can't help myself in these situations and let it slip out..."Don't even think about trying that bullpoop".

It would have been funnier if you'd actually said "bullpoop." Great race(s), BNB!

 

[Da Guru]

Ever had to take a pee in the middle of a run and there was nowhere to go? Yesterday I worked our and was drinking lots of water. Went to the bathroom and started my run. I was going to do 3 miles one way and 3 back. About halfway into my run I felt I had to go but at that point it was daylight and I was in a housing and school district. I then really had to go and was scanning the terrain for some big bushes or anything. Ended up running behind a school dumpster and peeing. Hope they don`t havea security cameras. It was a miserable feeling.

 

[BassNBrew]

Ever had to take a pee in the middle of a run and there was nowhere to go? Yesterday I worked our and was drinking lots of water. Went to the bathroom and started my run. I was going to do 3 miles one way and 3 back. About halfway into my run I felt I had to go but at that point it was daylight and I was in a housing and school district. I then really had to go and was scanning the terrain for some big bushes or anything. Ended up running behind a school dumpster and peeing. Hope they don`t havea security cameras. It was a miserable feeling.

Aren't you a triathlete?

 

[gruecd]

Hurried home for an 11-miler after work yesterday (avg 8:09/mile), got back, changed clothes, and straight to a 60-minute hot yoga class. Back home to a big spinach salad with salmon, a little TV, some sexy time, and sleep. A good night indeed. Definitely getting into the habit stage with yoga and eating better, so that's good. Just need to get going with the regular bi-weekly core/strength workouts, and I'll be set. Between 6 runs, 2 yoga sessions, and 2 strength/core sessions, that's 10 workouts per week. Tough fitting everything in...Only 7-10 pounds over race weight with 12+ weeks to go, so I'm feeling pretty good about that. Once I start picking up the mileage (and assuming I keep up the healthy eating habits), that should drop right off.

 

[sho nuff]

Ever had to take a pee in the middle of a run and there was nowhere to go? Yesterday I worked our and was drinking lots of water. Went to the bathroom and started my run. I was going to do 3 miles one way and 3 back. About halfway into my run I felt I had to go but at that point it was daylight and I was in a housing and school district. I then really had to go and was scanning the terrain for some big bushes or anything. Ended up running behind a school dumpster and peeing. Hope they don`t havea security cameras. It was a miserable feeling.

Actually have gone behind a school dumbster oddly enough...though, it was a Saturday.