Ran a 10k in June (7 Viewers)

[beer 302]

Sun 22 miles. 7:45/135. Beautiful winter day for once. Temperature got into the low 40s, sunny and without that much wind. I felt OK although I probably didn't plan my meals right and was getting hungry near the end.

Holy crap - you forget a decimal?Serious question - what do you (or any of you long-distance guys) do stay hydrated while running a long way?

I carry a Nathan 20 oz hand held with a credit card or cash and buy a bottle of something around halfway or were ever a logical break comes up and coincides with a gas station. Looking into a camelbak for the summer but I'm not sure I'd care for it.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Training Report Week 11

Sun 22 miles. 7:45/135. Beautiful winter day for once. Temperature got into the low 40s, sunny and without that much wind. I felt OK although I probably didn't plan my meals right and was getting hungry near the end.

Overall, 70 miles for the week.

Pretty sweet week man, impressive work!

Thanks but I'm most happy about Friday's run. I'm more worried about speed than endurance.

This, but the exact opposite.

Sun 22 miles. 7:45/135. Beautiful winter day for once. Temperature got into the low 40s, sunny and without that much wind. I felt OK although I probably didn't plan my meals right and was getting hungry near the end.

Holy crap - you forget a decimal?Serious question - what do you (or any of you long-distance guys) do stay hydrated while running a long way?

I almost always run with a Nathan Handheld, even on shorter stuff (which for me is pretty much an hour). On longer runs I'll either plan where I'll have access to water to fill up the bottle or ramp up what I'm carrying, with either a sinlge bottle waist pack to go with the handheld, or on really long stuff with no places to fill up I'll throw on the 2L Race Vest.As for me, a nice long 4 hour trail run today. I went and shot hoops a bit with my daughter yesterday, and then kicked a soccer ball a bit - so of course I was sore in unusual places, to the point I thought I might have to call it at 10 miles. But I finally loosened up, or just got used to it, and finished 20+ miles.

 

[tri-man 47]

Serious question - what do you (or any of you long-distance guys) do stay hydrated while running a long way?

I have an Amphipod hydration belt. Carrying the fluids on a belt like that is kind of heavy at the start of a long run, but of course it lightens up. I prefer not to wear the belt or carry anything, so when possible, I'll plan some loops and stash a bottle somewhere. For summer running through Chicago and my near west suburbs, I plan routes that pass various parks with water fountains.BTW, last I checked, still no race results for Mt. Mitchell and BnB.

 

[sho nuff]

Sun 22 miles. 7:45/135. Beautiful winter day for once. Temperature got into the low 40s, sunny and without that much wind. I felt OK although I probably didn't plan my meals right and was getting hungry near the end.

Holy crap - you forget a decimal?Serious question - what do you (or any of you long-distance guys) do stay hydrated while running a long way?

Have a fuel belt that can hold 2 bottles with about 12oz of water per bottle.Also have a Salomon belt that can hold 2 bottles with 20 oz of water per bottle.

 

[SteveC702]

Ran the RnR New Orleans half this morning in 72:31. (22nd OA / 17th male / 5th AG) Goal was sub-70, and managed to hold pace for about 5 miles before the course started heading into the wind. After a couple more miles I knew the PR attempt was over I backed off a little but was happy to still hold my mile splits under 5:40s.. Got passed by Kara Goucher right before 10 miles and she proceeded to put the hammer down and put about 40s on me in the last 3 miles.Auto-splits from my garmin, which had the course at 13.2 because I apparently suck at running tangents.5:16 - 5:19 - 5:20 - 5:21 - 5:225:36 - 5:38 - 5:36 - 5:35 - 5:325:38 - 5:38 - 5:35 - 65 (0.2 on garmin)

 

[Sand]

Ran the RnR New Orleans half this morning in 72:31. (22nd OA / 17th male / 5th AG) Goal was sub-70, and managed to hold pace for about 5 miles before the course started heading into the wind. After a couple more miles I knew the PR attempt was over I backed off a little but was happy to still hold my mile splits under 5:40s.. Got passed by Kara Goucher right before 10 miles and she proceeded to put the hammer down and put about 40s on me in the last 3 miles.Auto-splits from my garmin, which had the course at 13.2 because I apparently suck at running tangents.5:16 - 5:19 - 5:20 - 5:21 - 5:225:36 - 5:38 - 5:36 - 5:35 - 5:325:38 - 5:38 - 5:35 - 65 (0.2 on garmin)

Pfft. Can't hang on to Kara? Very disappointed.

 

[SteveC702]

I figure I was already getting my butt handed to me by 4 female Olympians, one more wasn't going to make that much more of a difference.

 

[SteveC702]

Jux, nice week and i think that LT workout probably indicates about 2:55-2:57 fitness? Do you and gruecd have a head-to-head matchup bet on this year's Boston?

 

[Juxtatarot]

Ran the RnR New Orleans half this morning in 72:31. (22nd OA / 17th male / 5th AG) Goal was sub-70, and managed to hold pace for about 5 miles before the course started heading into the wind. After a couple more miles I knew the PR attempt was over I backed off a little but was happy to still hold my mile splits under 5:40s.. Got passed by Kara Goucher right before 10 miles and she proceeded to put the hammer down and put about 40s on me in the last 3 miles.Auto-splits from my garmin, which had the course at 13.2 because I apparently suck at running tangents.5:16 - 5:19 - 5:20 - 5:21 - 5:225:36 - 5:38 - 5:36 - 5:35 - 5:325:38 - 5:38 - 5:35 - 65 (0.2 on garmin)

Even though you missed your goal, your speed has us all . Great job, Steve!

 

[BassNBrew]

Black Mountain Marathon 201326.2 miles plus some change after missing a turn.82 of 250 on the start list or 203 that made the cut-off/finish.Pretty crummy time of 5:22, well off my goal of 5 hours. I definately not a mudder. Part of this was due to conditions, part to poor training, and part attributed to poor race prep.Race started just after dawn. 37 degrees and drizzle. About a half mile in the drizzle turned to rain. It didn't last too terribly long. Both hammies started hurting about 200 yards into the event. Obviously not treating this as an "A" event wasn't the best idea. We were on pavement for about 2 miles and I had already bleed away a minute vs. last year. The serious climbing started and then we hit the trail. After mile three I was 3 mins down to last year. It had been raining for about a day and half and the course was a mudfest. I managed to avoid the serious puddles for the first few miles until I submerged both feet in an ice bath. Probably was a good thing because puddle avoidance then went out the window. Seemed like I walked alot more this year. It was hard to get motivated to run the 50 yard stretches that were runable when you knew slick rocks were just up ahead. I managed to keep the bleeding to about a minute a mile and was 11 minutes off goal pace after mile nine. Mile ten must have been where the ice flows started because I lost an add'l 6 minutes compared to last year over this mile. The worst section was about a mile of ice and slush a couple of miles before the turn around. We hit more rain somewhere in here. Overall the weather was better than expected. Temps warmed as we climbed and there was only one real windy section. I made the turn about 23 minutes behind goal time. Pretty much knew a sub-five hour finish was out the window. I had counted about 100 people coming back on my way up so I figured that would give me a new goal to shoot for on the way back.The return trip was treacherous. Slick rocks resulted in stretches you'd see olympic gymnists do and I don't. The wet feet soon led to a blister on the front of my middle toe on the left foot. With the descending it pretty much felt like a needle each left step as the foot jammed against the front of the shoe. I was passed by the first 40 miler (shortened to 35 miles this year) around mile 16-17. This guy was just in free fall down the mountain. I had 2-3 other 40 milers pass me later, but the speed just wasn't up to his caliber. I have no ideal how this guy didn't break a leg. The section he passed me was wet rock softball to bowling ball size. The rest of the trail section down was pretty uneventful and I was just trying not to get hurt. I was passing people here and there and the blister eventually popped. I held 10-11 min pace most of the way except for a 14 min section where we lose 900 feet over a mile. Even at my 14 min/mile shuffle pace I passed three people who were walking. The last 4 miles alternated between road, greenway, and a short trail section. I was hard to get the legs back into run mode at a good clip after the descent. Eventually the legs came back and got into a zone. Evidently it was a good zone because a car pulled along side me and asked me if I was doing the race. I replied "yes" and they proceeded to let me know that I missed a left turn about a half mile back. Since this was bascially a training run now, I just keep going and took my next left. After a 1/2 mile I saw two runners going perpendicular to my route two blocks ahead and followed them. Thankfully they were on the course. Looking at the results I think I gave up 8 positions and ran an extra .6 to .7 miles. It's hard running up hill in mud and over slick rocks. That said, I came into this event sorely lacking the need mileage due to a combination of laziness and injury. A 5 mile per week average over previous six weeks didn't cut it. With this not being an "A" race, I also put in a heavy training week. The vo2 max bike intervals and 70 min tempo run left my hamstrings in less than optimal climbing shape. 6 hours of drive time in the 14 hours prior to go time weren't helpful either. Probably should have been rocking my compression tights when I was behind the wheel. Oh well..."B" races are about learning and stressing the body for the main event.I did walk away with several positives...1. Nutrition/hydration - I did this event on roughly 800 calories and 60 ounces of fluid. No signs of boinking or cramping.2. Soreness is less than usual, especially considering the climbs and descents. I can walk up steps. Outside of the end of one toes peeling off, I feel pretty good. Feet aren't hurting. MCL is sore but not in pain so that re-hab went well. Knees feeling pretty decent. Managed to get in 4 miles walking today at 14:30 pace and 1 mile running at 10:30. In a few days I should be ready for some serious training.3. Never once felt like quitting. It wouldn't have been fast, but I still had run left in the legs.4. I've confident I can do a 5 hour marathon at Umstead. After that, I can walk 20 min miles and make the 30 hour cutoff for 100 miles.5. Finally got the clothing situation sorted out. Despite being soaked, no chaffing issues.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I figure I was already getting my butt handed to me by 4 female Olympians, one more wasn't going to make that much more of a difference.

lolGreat job.

 

[Clayton Gray]

And loops for hydration sounds excellent. Thanks guys.

 

[BassNBrew]

Ran the RnR New Orleans half this morning in 72:31. (22nd OA / 17th male / 5th AG) Goal was sub-70, and managed to hold pace for about 5 miles before the course started heading into the wind. After a couple more miles I knew the PR attempt was over I backed off a little but was happy to still hold my mile splits under 5:40s.. Got passed by Kara Goucher right before 10 miles and she proceeded to put the hammer down and put about 40s on me in the last 3 miles.Auto-splits from my garmin, which had the course at 13.2 because I apparently suck at running tangents.5:16 - 5:19 - 5:20 - 5:21 - 5:225:36 - 5:38 - 5:36 - 5:35 - 5:325:38 - 5:38 - 5:35 - 65 (0.2 on garmin)

Even though you missed your goal, your speed has us all . Great job, Steve!

No kidding. I'm in awe of these guys who can run 13 to 26 miles at my 1/4 mile pr pace.

 

[Prince Myshkin]

Black Mountain Marathon 201326.2 miles plus some change after missing a turn.82 of 250 on the start list or 203 that made the cut-off/finish.Pretty crummy time of 5:22, well off my goal of 5 hours. I definately not a mudder. Part of this was due to conditions, part to poor training, and part attributed to poor race prep.Race started just after dawn. 37 degrees and drizzle. About a half mile in the drizzle turned to rain. It didn't last too terribly long. Both hammies started hurting about 200 yards into the event. Obviously not treating this as an "A" event wasn't the best idea. We were on pavement for about 2 miles and I had already bleed away a minute vs. last year. The serious climbing started and then we hit the trail. After mile three I was 3 mins down to last year. It had been raining for about a day and half and the course was a mudfest. I managed to avoid the serious puddles for the first few miles until I submerged both feet in an ice bath. Probably was a good thing because puddle avoidance then went out the window. Seemed like I walked alot more this year. It was hard to get motivated to run the 50 yard stretches that were runable when you knew slick rocks were just up ahead. I managed to keep the bleeding to about a minute a mile and was 11 minutes off goal pace after mile nine. Mile ten must have been where the ice flows started because I lost an add'l 6 minutes compared to last year over this mile. The worst section was about a mile of ice and slush a couple of miles before the turn around. We hit more rain somewhere in here. Overall the weather was better than expected. Temps warmed as we climbed and there was only one real windy section. I made the turn about 23 minutes behind goal time. Pretty much knew a sub-five hour finish was out the window. I had counted about 100 people coming back on my way up so I figured that would give me a new goal to shoot for on the way back.The return trip was treacherous. Slick rocks resulted in stretches you'd see olympic gymnists do and I don't. The wet feet soon led to a blister on the front of my middle toe on the left foot. With the descending it pretty much felt like a needle each left step as the foot jammed against the front of the shoe. I was passed by the first 40 miler (shortened to 35 miles this year) around mile 16-17. This guy was just in free fall down the mountain. I had 2-3 other 40 milers pass me later, but the speed just wasn't up to his caliber. I have no ideal how this guy didn't break a leg. The section he passed me was wet rock softball to bowling ball size. The rest of the trail section down was pretty uneventful and I was just trying not to get hurt. I was passing people here and there and the blister eventually popped. I held 10-11 min pace most of the way except for a 14 min section where we lose 900 feet over a mile. Even at my 14 min/mile shuffle pace I passed three people who were walking. The last 4 miles alternated between road, greenway, and a short trail section. I was hard to get the legs back into run mode at a good clip after the descent. Eventually the legs came back and got into a zone. Evidently it was a good zone because a car pulled along side me and asked me if I was doing the race. I replied "yes" and they proceeded to let me know that I missed a left turn about a half mile back. Since this was bascially a training run now, I just keep going and took my next left. After a 1/2 mile I saw two runners going perpendicular to my route two blocks ahead and followed them. Thankfully they were on the course. Looking at the results I think I gave up 8 positions and ran an extra .6 to .7 miles. It's hard running up hill in mud and over slick rocks. That said, I came into this event sorely lacking the need mileage due to a combination of laziness and injury. A 5 mile per week average over previous six weeks didn't cut it. With this not being an "A" race, I also put in a heavy training week. The vo2 max bike intervals and 70 min tempo run left my hamstrings in less than optimal climbing shape. 6 hours of drive time in the 14 hours prior to go time weren't helpful either. Probably should have been rocking my compression tights when I was behind the wheel. Oh well..."B" races are about learning and stressing the body for the main event.I did walk away with several positives...1. Nutrition/hydration - I did this event on roughly 800 calories and 60 ounces of fluid. No signs of boinking or cramping.2. Soreness is less than usual, especially considering the climbs and descents. I can walk up steps. Outside of the end of one toes peeling off, I feel pretty good. Feet aren't hurting. MCL is sore but not in pain so that re-hab went well. Knees feeling pretty decent. Managed to get in 4 miles walking today at 14:30 pace and 1 mile running at 10:30. In a few days I should be ready for some serious training.3. Never once felt like quitting. It wouldn't have been fast, but I still had run left in the legs.4. I've confident I can do a 5 hour marathon at Umstead. After that, I can walk 20 min miles and make the 30 hour cutoff for 100 miles.5. Finally got the clothing situation sorted out. Despite being soaked, no chaffing issues.

amazing you can do something like this on relatively little race-specific training.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Ran the RnR New Orleans half this morning in 72:31. (22nd OA / 17th male / 5th AG) Goal was sub-70, and managed to hold pace for about 5 miles before the course started heading into the wind. After a couple more miles I knew the PR attempt was over I backed off a little but was happy to still hold my mile splits under 5:40s.. Got passed by Kara Goucher right before 10 miles and she proceeded to put the hammer down and put about 40s on me in the last 3 miles.

Auto-splits from my garmin, which had the course at 13.2 because I apparently suck at running tangents.

5:16 - 5:19 - 5:20 - 5:21 - 5:22

5:36 - 5:38 - 5:36 - 5:35 - 5:32

5:38 - 5:38 - 5:35 - 65 (0.2 on garmin)

Sorry to hear that you got chicked. Better luck next time . . . BnB -- Sounds like a rough course. Good job under the circumstances.

 

[Hang 10]

Ran the RnR New Orleans half this morning in 72:31. (22nd OA / 17th male / 5th AG) Goal was sub-70, and managed to hold pace for about 5 miles before the course started heading into the wind. After a couple more miles I knew the PR attempt was over I backed off a little but was happy to still hold my mile splits under 5:40s.. Got passed by Kara Goucher right before 10 miles and she proceeded to put the hammer down and put about 40s on me in the last 3 miles.Auto-splits from my garmin, which had the course at 13.2 because I apparently suck at running tangents.5:16 - 5:19 - 5:20 - 5:21 - 5:225:36 - 5:38 - 5:36 - 5:35 - 5:325:38 - 5:38 - 5:35 - 65 (0.2 on garmin)

Dude, you need your own thread, so you don't make us mortals feel so bad.

 

[Hang 10]

Black Mountain Marathon 201326.2 miles plus some change after missing a turn.82 of 250 on the start list or 203 that made the cut-off/finish.Pretty crummy time of 5:22, well off my goal of 5 hours. I definately not a mudder. Part of this was due to conditions, part to poor training, and part attributed to poor race prep.Race started just after dawn. 37 degrees and drizzle. About a half mile in the drizzle turned to rain. It didn't last too terribly long. Both hammies started hurting about 200 yards into the event. Obviously not treating this as an "A" event wasn't the best idea. We were on pavement for about 2 miles and I had already bleed away a minute vs. last year. The serious climbing started and then we hit the trail. After mile three I was 3 mins down to last year. It had been raining for about a day and half and the course was a mudfest. I managed to avoid the serious puddles for the first few miles until I submerged both feet in an ice bath. Probably was a good thing because puddle avoidance then went out the window. Seemed like I walked alot more this year. It was hard to get motivated to run the 50 yard stretches that were runable when you knew slick rocks were just up ahead. I managed to keep the bleeding to about a minute a mile and was 11 minutes off goal pace after mile nine. Mile ten must have been where the ice flows started because I lost an add'l 6 minutes compared to last year over this mile. The worst section was about a mile of ice and slush a couple of miles before the turn around. We hit more rain somewhere in here. Overall the weather was better than expected. Temps warmed as we climbed and there was only one real windy section. I made the turn about 23 minutes behind goal time. Pretty much knew a sub-five hour finish was out the window. I had counted about 100 people coming back on my way up so I figured that would give me a new goal to shoot for on the way back.The return trip was treacherous. Slick rocks resulted in stretches you'd see olympic gymnists do and I don't. The wet feet soon led to a blister on the front of my middle toe on the left foot. With the descending it pretty much felt like a needle each left step as the foot jammed against the front of the shoe. I was passed by the first 40 miler (shortened to 35 miles this year) around mile 16-17. This guy was just in free fall down the mountain. I had 2-3 other 40 milers pass me later, but the speed just wasn't up to his caliber. I have no ideal how this guy didn't break a leg. The section he passed me was wet rock softball to bowling ball size. The rest of the trail section down was pretty uneventful and I was just trying not to get hurt. I was passing people here and there and the blister eventually popped. I held 10-11 min pace most of the way except for a 14 min section where we lose 900 feet over a mile. Even at my 14 min/mile shuffle pace I passed three people who were walking. The last 4 miles alternated between road, greenway, and a short trail section. I was hard to get the legs back into run mode at a good clip after the descent. Eventually the legs came back and got into a zone. Evidently it was a good zone because a car pulled along side me and asked me if I was doing the race. I replied "yes" and they proceeded to let me know that I missed a left turn about a half mile back. Since this was bascially a training run now, I just keep going and took my next left. After a 1/2 mile I saw two runners going perpendicular to my route two blocks ahead and followed them. Thankfully they were on the course. Looking at the results I think I gave up 8 positions and ran an extra .6 to .7 miles. It's hard running up hill in mud and over slick rocks. That said, I came into this event sorely lacking the need mileage due to a combination of laziness and injury. A 5 mile per week average over previous six weeks didn't cut it. With this not being an "A" race, I also put in a heavy training week. The vo2 max bike intervals and 70 min tempo run left my hamstrings in less than optimal climbing shape. 6 hours of drive time in the 14 hours prior to go time weren't helpful either. Probably should have been rocking my compression tights when I was behind the wheel. Oh well..."B" races are about learning and stressing the body for the main event.I did walk away with several positives...1. Nutrition/hydration - I did this event on roughly 800 calories and 60 ounces of fluid. No signs of boinking or cramping.2. Soreness is less than usual, especially considering the climbs and descents. I can walk up steps. Outside of the end of one toes peeling off, I feel pretty good. Feet aren't hurting. MCL is sore but not in pain so that re-hab went well. Knees feeling pretty decent. Managed to get in 4 miles walking today at 14:30 pace and 1 mile running at 10:30. In a few days I should be ready for some serious training.3. Never once felt like quitting. It wouldn't have been fast, but I still had run left in the legs.4. I've confident I can do a 5 hour marathon at Umstead. After that, I can walk 20 min miles and make the 30 hour cutoff for 100 miles.5. Finally got the clothing situation sorted out. Despite being soaked, no chaffing issues.

Good work, getn er done.

 

[gruecd]

Do you and gruecd have a head-to-head matchup bet on this year's Boston?

Nope. I've got a 50-miler on May 11 (my second attempt at the distance after DNFing at JFK in November), so I'm just shooting for a BQ and a course PR (sub-3:09:48) with the goal of hopefully minimizing my recovery time.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Great race and great report, BnB!

 

[gruecd]

Great race and great report, BnB!

Nice job, BnB! Reminded me of my muddy 50K last October and has me psyched to get back on the trails this spring!

 

[beer 302]

BnB - Nice job slugging through that race. It was raining and cold here Saturday morning, figured you would been running through 3' of snow. Impressive as hell giving your run up to it. On fresh legs at peak condition I'm not sure I could run that time on a dry flat course, well done SteveC - #### you man, nice race but #### you You speed demons amaze me, told a friend this weekend I couldn't go that fast in a car. He sent me a text about the winner. Mo Farah, finished in 60:59. Seriously, nice race man, I'm in awe

 

[FUBAR]

Awesome and damn right motivating. Leaving the doctor now, tendonitis in the groin. Thankfully not a hernia. Prescription, run less :(

 

[gruecd]

Training Report Week 5

Mon - 8 miles with seven (7) 20-second strides. 8:01/mile.

Tue - USRD due to crappy weather

Wed - 5 GA. 7:58/mile.

Thu - 15 MLR. Good effort considering the terrible footing. 8:37/mile.

Fri - Treadmill for tempo run (still bad footing). 3 up, 5 at 6:35/mile, 1 down. Felt strong. Overall 7:17/mile.

Sat - Treadmill for 8-mile recovery run. 8:34/mile.

Sun - 17 outside. Legs tired after the last couple of days. 8:06/mile.

Total 62 miles for the week. Today was supposed to be a 4/6 recovery double, but my legs are shot, and I was tired, so I opted for an extra hour of sleep this morning instead. I'll do the 6-mile recovery run tonight, and then I've got double-digit runs the next three days...

 

[Juxtatarot]

Leaving the doctor now, tendonitis in the groin. Thankfully not a hernia. Prescription, run less :(

Are you taking that prescription? How bad is the pain?

 

[tri-man 47]

Ran the RnR New Orleans half this morning in 72:31. (22nd OA / 17th male / 5th AG) Goal was sub-70, and managed to hold pace for about 5 miles before the course started heading into the wind. After a couple more miles I knew the PR attempt was over I backed off a little but was happy to still hold my mile splits under 5:40s.. Got passed by Kara Goucher right before 10 miles and she proceeded to put the hammer down and put about 40s on me in the last 3 miles.

Auto-splits from my garmin, which had the course at 13.2 because I apparently suck at running tangents.

5:16 - 5:19 - 5:20 - 5:21 - 5:22

5:36 - 5:38 - 5:36 - 5:35 - 5:32

5:38 - 5:38 - 5:35 - 65 (0.2 on garmin)

Sorry to hear that you got chicked. Better luck next time . . . BnB -- Sounds like a rough course. Good job under the circumstances.

Gotta love that SteveC can post his HM time in total minutes rather than 1 hour, xxx minutes.

And BnB, you continue to amaze me. Extra mileage in a tough marathon under lousy conditions with modest training? Hey, no problem! Tons of inner strength there, my friend.

I read that the 101-year-old Indian runner officially retired after finishing a final 10K (in 1:32x). With him out of the picture, someone's going to have to pick up the mantle ...

 

[gruecd]

Damn it, Steve...people around here used to be impressed by Jux and me. You're stealing our thunder.

 

[FUBAR]

Leaving the doctor now, tendonitis in the groin. Thankfully not a hernia. Prescription, run less :(

Are you taking that prescription? How bad is the pain?

Physical therapist suggested running every other day with cross-fit. I can do that. Probably pull back the long distances for a couple weeks to under 10 and not run the day before or after.

 

[koby925]

Great racing this weekend! Hang10 and BnB - awesome job running such long races in these conditions. Congrats!Steve, great race! That time and placement is nothing to be ashamed of. Looking forward to seeing how the year progresses if you weren't totally satisfied with that...sub 70? And nice training weeks by you guys gearing up for marathons. Jux, I agree with Steve that your workloand indicates a sub 3:00 in your future So I woke up Saturday to weather similar to BnB which makes sense since I'm on the other side of NC now...34 degrees and pouring rain I was already signed up and Special Olympics is a cause near and dear to my heart so I went out there. By race time it was a balmy 37 degrees with driving rain and wind. Mile 1 - Felt about the same as my low 6 minute opening mile a couple weeks ago. I'm chugging along and definitely feels like racing but not uberfast. And the first mile was mostly flat with a couple rolling hills. And I'm in the 20's placewise. Come to the "mile mark" and I hear in the distance the kid yelling out 5:30, 5:31, 5:32...WTF? I look at my watch and see that I passed his mark at a 5:36 mile. I actually shouted out to him "No way" as I go by. I wasn't wearing a Garmin but knew that this was off. Mile 2 - gradual uphill almost the whole 2nd mile. And half of it was kindof on a main road that was a wind tunnel with cars whipping by drumming up more wind. Good times. I know that this mile is slower due to conditions and the fact that I am comically bad on hills, especially in my current fitness level...but again, I pass the "2 mile mark" at 12:47. No way was that a 7:11 mile. Mile 3 - I recoup from the hills and start picking off the people who pass me on the hills. Then I start picking off a few more. Which was good because one of the other people was the first female. So I didn't get chicked like Steve I come in and my watch says 19:07. Not bad I think if that really was the 2 mile mark, I covered the last 1.1 in 6:20 so I'm pretty happy with that. Ended up 17th overall and 2nd in my age group. The guys up front ran low to mid 16s last race (this is part of a series) and the 16:55 winner was the only sub 17 finisher. So I'm hoping that means even though I only dropped a few seconds from last race, I really am making up more ground then that. In better elements I think that was a sub 19 effort. And I talked to a few people after the race and they agreed (and had run the race before) that the kid was a good 15-20 too close on mile 1 depending on your pace. So I think I probably ran in the mid to high 5:50s in the first mile, had an ugly 6:45 or so middle mile and finished up strong again under 6 minute pace. All for about a 6:10 average. So no sub 19 but I was fairly happy with that...for now.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Nice race considering the conditions, Koby! Why weren't you wearing a watch?!

 

[sho nuff]

Wow...great reports from you all.Steve...while celebrating your speed...Im pretty much just constantly going to give you the bird with those times. You know, the finger (yes, we know the finger Goose).BnB...the crap you do just amazes me, the climbs, the weather...just incredibly cool.Lungs are finally feeling ok, so getting out for 4-5 later today (son is home with Strep so its either a night run or a TM run today.Saw my ENT and thankfully he is holding off a little bit on my 3rd sinus surgery. Going to try a new treatment of basically a nebulizer like device that shoots antibiotics and steroid treatments right into my sinuses.Fun stuff.Between being sick and kids being sick...my training has sucked for this half...definitely one to just sort of relax and run it for fun...because between the hills and lack of great training this go around, its not going to be pretty. Thinking I will hit any beer stops along the route this time too.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Black Mountain Marathon 2013I did walk away with several positives...1. Nutrition/hydration - I did this event on roughly 800 calories and 60 ounces of fluid. No signs of boinking or cramping.2. Soreness is less than usual, especially considering the climbs and descents. I can walk up steps. Outside of the end of one toes peeling off, I feel pretty good. Feet aren't hurting. MCL is sore but not in pain so that re-hab went well. Knees feeling pretty decent. Managed to get in 4 miles walking today at 14:30 pace and 1 mile running at 10:30. In a few days I should be ready for some serious training.3. Never once felt like quitting. It wouldn't have been fast, but I still had run left in the legs.4. I've confident I can do a 5 hour marathon at Umstead. After that, I can walk 20 min miles and make the 30 hour cutoff for 100 miles.5. Finally got the clothing situation sorted out. Despite being soaked, no chaffing issues.

Good stuff, I always consider it a successful trail race if I 1) Finish and 2) Have some positives to walk away with. Sounds like the conditions were pretty tough out there, and you still were 35:00 faster than my last trail marathon! Your plan for Umstead sounds similar to what my buddy Jim did for Western States - run as much as he could early, and then just keep moving when he couldn't run anymore (he kept asking if we were ahead of 18:00 miles as we went through the night), which got him across the line five minutes before the thirty hour cutoff. Of course that sounds like your worst-case plan, I have a feeling it will go better than that for you.

 

[Sand]

Black Mountain Marathon 2013I did walk away with several positives...1. Nutrition/hydration - I did this event on roughly 800 calories and 60 ounces of fluid. No signs of boinking or cramping.2. Soreness is less than usual, especially considering the climbs and descents. I can walk up steps. Outside of the end of one toes peeling off, I feel pretty good. Feet aren't hurting. MCL is sore but not in pain so that re-hab went well. Knees feeling pretty decent. Managed to get in 4 miles walking today at 14:30 pace and 1 mile running at 10:30. In a few days I should be ready for some serious training.3. Never once felt like quitting. It wouldn't have been fast, but I still had run left in the legs.4. I've confident I can do a 5 hour marathon at Umstead. After that, I can walk 20 min miles and make the 30 hour cutoff for 100 miles.5. Finally got the clothing situation sorted out. Despite being soaked, no chaffing issues.

Definitely one of those races where noone asks about finishing time, just that you were out there in those conditions. #3 is probably the most important here - your base is obviously superb that you can do this on such little running and not suffer massively during the race. Good mojo.

 

[Ned]

Black Mountain Marathon 2013

I did walk away with several positives...

1. Nutrition/hydration - I did this event on roughly 800 calories and 60 ounces of fluid. No signs of boinking or cramping.

2. Soreness is less than usual, especially considering the climbs and descents. I can walk up steps. Outside of the end of one toes peeling off, I feel pretty good. Feet aren't hurting. MCL is sore but not in pain so that re-hab went well. Knees feeling pretty decent. Managed to get in 4 miles walking today at 14:30 pace and 1 mile running at 10:30. In a few days I should be ready for some serious training.

3. Never once felt like quitting. It wouldn't have been fast, but I still had run left in the legs.

4. I've confident I can do a 5 hour marathon at Umstead. After that, I can walk 20 min miles and make the 30 hour cutoff for 100 miles.

5. Finally got the clothing situation sorted out. Despite being soaked, no chaffing issues.

Definitely one of those races where noone asks about finishing time, just that you were out there in those conditions. #3 is probably the most important here - your base is obviously superb that you can do this on such little running and not suffer massively during the race. Good mojo.

Beat me to it. Not many would even think about doing this, let alone #3. SteveC - Holy smokes dude! Looking forward to your progression.

koby - This early training/racing will pay dividends later....

 

[koby925]

Jux, I don't have a Garmin. Need to get one. Especially as I get into doing some speed and LT work. Which would people recommend?Week ended Sunday I got in 33 miles for the week, including the race. M - 6.3 at 7:23 paceT - 6.6 at 7:16 W - OFFTh - 6.1 at 7:32F - 4 at 7:50 Sat - Race, warmup and cooldown - total 6 milesSun - 4 at 7:56Up from 30.5 last week. Want to continue to slowly raise mileage and introduce speedwork.

 

[gruecd]

Jux, I don't have a Garmin. Need to get one. Especially as I get into doing some speed and LT work. Which would people recommend?

I love my 610 (other than the short battery life), but for the majority of people, the basic FR 10 works pretty well, too, and it's only like $130.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Jux, I don't have a Garmin. Need to get one. Especially as I get into doing some speed and LT work. Which would people recommend?

I like my 910XT but people say it's a bit overkill for people that only use it for running.

 

[Sand]

Jux, I don't have a Garmin. Need to get one. Especially as I get into doing some speed and LT work. Which would people recommend?

Read this. That will at least let you know what is out there.I have a 310xt for tri stuff and like it well enough. Just ordered a Motoactv for running - we'll see how that works. I wanted something that did GPS, run tracking, and MP3s at the same time. It does that (and over bluetooth, no less, so no more damn wires).

 

[beer 302]

Leaving the doctor now, tendonitis in the groin. Thankfully not a hernia. Prescription, run less :(

I was going to say how much that sucks but as I recall you're another one of those fast fella's I don't like so tough luck Sparky

I read that the 101-year-old Indian runner officially retired after finishing a final 10K (in 1:32x). With him out of the picture, someone's going to have to pick up the mantle ...

Been waiting for that ******* to hang 'em up, I'm ready for the challenge

 

[Juxtatarot]

Jux, I don't have a Garmin. Need to get one. Especially as I get into doing some speed and LT work. Which would people recommend?

Read this. That will at least let you know what is out there.

 

[beer 302]

http://www.newrivermarathon.com/

BnB, you familiar with this one? Up near Boone, Brownwood, NC. The "hill" looks like something you'd break off for grins & giggles.

 

[davegameplayer]

Sounds like you guys have all been in it lately. Just completed my first twenty mile week. Have the first annual San Antonio Run Fest this coming Sunday. Shooting for a low 50s time. Race finishes in the Alamodome should be fun. Light week planned of thirteen coming into the race on Sunday.

 

[BassNBrew]

http://www.newrivermarathon.com/BnB, you familiar with this one? Up near Boone, Brownwood, NC. The "hill" looks like something you'd break off for grins & giggles.

Bike that area all the time. Sand and I will be freight training down the railroad grade in June. Very scenic area. Quite the contrast between deadpan flat and climbs. I prefer these low key events to the big city stuff but am probably in the minority. $60 is a great value for a marathon. The event I did this weekend was $85 and we got a $55 Mountain Hardward Polartec pullover, heavy duty beanie, and t-shirt. Basically the swag = the entry fee.Personally I think you should step up to this - http://run4thered.com/aboutAwesome course and area too! This may end up on my schedule as a training run.

 

[mr. furley]

followed up a shtty, sloppy, mess of a 4.25 run on saturday with a strong, smooth, easy 8.1 on clean streets tonight amazing what clear pavement will do to how you feel

 

[Clayton Gray]

Great race and great report, BnB!

And nice job, koby!

 

[tri-man 47]

Sounds like you guys have all been in it lately. Just completed my first twenty mile week. Have the first annual San Antonio Run Fest this coming Sunday. Shooting for a low 50s time. Race finishes in the Alamodome should be fun. Light week planned of thirteen coming into the race on Sunday.

Yeah, it seems the speed quotient took a few big steps up lately! I hope your race goes well ...let us know.--

So SteveC - I was checking your impressive stats on Athlinks, which ultimately led to some race stalking of your marathon win last year (congrats!!) ..and that makes me want to ask: What's with the dude photobombing your big marathon finish? A HM guy stealing your spotlight? "Oh, look, I ran a slow HM but I get to break the tape." Sheesh.

 

[SteveC702]

Whew, finally home after all the traveling. I guess this thread gets really busy on the weekends and Mondays. Thanks for the congrats/compliments everyone, and I am going to apologize in advance if I miss someone's comments/questions.

Hang 10 - Nice 30K. Good luck with your half next month.

Bass N Brew - The race conditions just sound absolutely awful. It reminded me of this race down in Anchorage I read about last year where you have to cross rivers and one of the guys had his supplies washed away by the water. This is a pretty good description / race report of that race I found. (http://akrunnerdude.blogspot.com/2012/07/crow-pass-crossing-race-report.html) I have a friend/college teammate who is a beast at 100-mile races and I just can't picture ever putting myself through races and conditions like that.

Gruecd- Nice tempo this weekend and overall training for the week, 3:09 should be a walk in the park for you in a few weeks. Sorry to hear you DNF'd at JFK, I am pretty sure running a marathon is about as far as I can race well, but I do occasionally toy with the idea of running a 50K or 50-miler sometime down the road and that was one of the few races I think I would do. Where is your race in May?

Sand- I occasionally talk about doing a triathlon when my wife asks me if I ever thinking about branching out from running, but I am a terrible swimmer and don't even own a bike at the moment, but anyone who can be decent at all 3 disciplines gets my respect.

Tri-man 47- Looks like a pretty nice session of mile repeats. I lived in Chicago from 2006-2009 and seeing your race calendar makes me kinda nostalgic. I managed to make it back to run the Chicago HM in September last year but won't be able to do it this year, so I am toying with taking a quick trip to run the Chicago RnR at the end of July.

About Omaha... they merged the full and half marathoners for the last quarter mile or so of the race and didn't set up separate finish chutes. The other guy was apparently running his first race ever and thought the finish line volunteers just periodically held up the finish line tape and motion for random half-marathoners to run through them as if they won the race. (Although when we were both running towards it, they were clearly yelling "no, not you!" in his direction). The sportwriter covering the race had absolutely nothing to write about so she wrote an article on the confusion as if anyone cared. (I think I did for 5 seconds, then I was like "oh hell yeah I won some $$$, time for a steak or five"

Prosopis- Sounds like a nice and fun long run. I would kill for conditions like those.

Beer 302- Thanks. I knew RnR had put together a really good field and almost wish I wasn't racing so I could watch it. The only time I saw the leaders (after the first minute or two) was at the first 180 degree turn at about 4.4 miles into the race. I was 4.1-4.2 miles into the race and they were running the other way and passing the 5 mile mark. My two thoughts were "damn, they look really smooth" and "damn... I'm already almost a mile behind them"

Fubar- Sorry to hear you are having some injury troubles. Running every other day is actually a great option if it won't set you back though since you pretty much always feel fresh from close to 48 hours of rest between runs.

Koby925- Nice race and I think if the conditions had been even slightly better you would've been sub-19 for sure, and it even sounds like the course may have been slightly long if all the top guys ran 20-30s slower than the last race. (so maybe your actual splits were more like 5:5x, 6:2x, and 6:10?) I got tired of trying to figure this kind of thing out so I started racing with a garmin.

As for my goals, I was trying to go sub- 70 even though I kind of had a feeling that it might have been a stretch. I ran 70:33 last August and saw that sub-70 got an automatic entry into the US Half Marathon championships so I have been chasing that mark ever since and had been derailed by one thing or another so now I am going to have to wait to see if they'll let people that are slightly over 70 minutes in. (10 out of the 99 starters last year had PBs over 70 going in, and probably a couple of dozen people have never run one before but got in through performances at other distances)

 

[Ned]

As for my goals, I was trying to go sub- 70 even though I kind of had a feeling that it might have been a stretch. I ran 70:33 last August and saw that sub-70 got an automatic entry into the US Half Marathon championships so I have been chasing that mark ever since and had been derailed by one thing or another so now I am going to have to wait to see if they'll let people that are slightly over 70 minutes in. (10 out of the 99 starters last year had PBs over 70 going in, and probably a couple of dozen people have never run one before but got in through performances at other distances)

Now this is fn cool. Oh and at some steaks.

 

[prosopis]

Wow there is some speed going on in here. Great races and reports from all the racers.

 

[FUBAR]

Cross fit yesterday - 12,10,10,8 X (with 95 lb bar) shoulder press, pull-ups, row, 4 count push-ups, deep squat, calf raise; then 4 sets of 12 deadlift / 25 pushups, 20 minutes bikeToday - 6 x 2 minute, 6 x 1/4 mile intervals. with warm-up and cool-down, 6M.

 

[sho nuff]

So far so good this week.Been able to run and lift and do core work without my lungs giving me much trouble.Sinsuses are killing me today, but help arrives on that later today with a thing that pretty much will be shooting steroids and antibiotics into my sinus cavity.