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sho nuff
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Yeah...feels odd to think about that and how those people feel when others are hurting far worse...but would suck.First off, glad everyone in here is okay.I know this is secondary but I really feel bad for all the people that trained their asses off and paid good money to come up for this race and got robbed of the BMW experience. Many didn't even get to finish. ####### terrorists.
Already have an email from the Country Music Marathon people that they will take this all into consideration and be in consultation with the Boston PD and FBI going into the event in 2 weeks.
Ned
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HOLY ####!! Glad you guys are OK. How old are the kids? Hope everyone's alright, emotionally.
wilked
Footballguy
WH, and other Boston Marathoners...
First, #### you guys are fast, wow
Second, happy you are safe, whether friends, acquaintances, forum members... It is still great to hear that
Lastly, I hugged my 8 month old for a long time tonight. It's a common refrain after tragedies like this, but when it hits close to home you finally see the truth in it. Hug your families, you don't know when darkness is around the corner.
First, #### you guys are fast, wow
Second, happy you are safe, whether friends, acquaintances, forum members... It is still great to hear that
Lastly, I hugged my 8 month old for a long time tonight. It's a common refrain after tragedies like this, but when it hits close to home you finally see the truth in it. Hug your families, you don't know when darkness is around the corner.
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IvanKaramazov
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Yeah, this particular attack really hits home with me and probably everybody else in this thread too. You never expect something like that.
Sand
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Ned
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To think we were all living vicariously through five of our own certainly makes it more real. I just laid there with our four year old after bedtime books thinking about it all. Not to mention how incredibly close WH and his family were to this. :(
beer 302
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So glad you guys are all ok, was on such a high tracking along with everyone then this. I feel just awful for everyone involved and impacted by this stupidity. I know we all have folks impacted by this but here are two of the locals from around here that were super lucky today Demi Clark from here in Fort Mill and Nicole Gross from Charlotte. Amazing they both made it out ok.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Agreed...been sick to my stomach reading different stories. Seeing some of the images (and keeping away from the graphic ones).
Just can't even get my head around what its like to be about to finish Boston and then boom.
Or being there waiting for a loved one to finish and boom.
Crazy story... I am staying with one of my close friends who started his residency at Boston General Hospital last summer. He had a co-worker running the race and she was probably 5-10 minutes behind Workhorse. She came around Boylston right when the explosion happened and got there in time to perform CPR on one of the 3 people that died.
I will post a race report when I feel that it's appropriate, but let's just say that while I made peace with my unsatisfactory performance way before my race was even over, the events that took place 2 hours later made me realize how insignificant and trivial my race, a serious hobby, was in the grand scheme of things.
I also decided as I was hobbling through Brookline and past Fenway that I am running this race again next year, and will probably continue to do so until I walk away happy from the race with a smile of satisfaction or tears of joy. My decision has been cemented by my desire to further support the event after what happened today. I am not sure what plans everyone else has, but this board will have at least one representative for the 2014 Boston marathon.
I will post a race report when I feel that it's appropriate, but let's just say that while I made peace with my unsatisfactory performance way before my race was even over, the events that took place 2 hours later made me realize how insignificant and trivial my race, a serious hobby, was in the grand scheme of things.
I also decided as I was hobbling through Brookline and past Fenway that I am running this race again next year, and will probably continue to do so until I walk away happy from the race with a smile of satisfaction or tears of joy. My decision has been cemented by my desire to further support the event after what happened today. I am not sure what plans everyone else has, but this board will have at least one representative for the 2014 Boston marathon.
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wilked
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While I appreciate the sentiment... If I wore my race shirt to work tomorrow I would clear my entire office out from BO ;-)
I will be wearing my marathon jacket with pride
mr. furley
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just heard gruecd on Fox news this morning, via cellphone
Ned
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IvanKaramazov
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koby925
Footballguy
Wow. Thanks for sharing, Steve. I actually have the same feelings about next year. I have never run a marathon, but I am getting the crazy compulsion to do one this year now so that I can run at Boston next year.
ATC1
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Glad everyone is ok here. Several people I work with were at the finishing line in the medical tent. Posted on FB that they were ok, but not to call as he was helping victims. On one hand I was glad not to be there to see this, but on the other hand I wish I was there to help.
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Ned
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koby925
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Yeah I know this is premature and not important to think about right now. If I wanted to do it, don't have a cause or charity so I'd obviously have to qualify. Would be a tough task as I'd have to (thinking out loud)...have to find a qualifier quickly, train my #### off and *gulp* run sub 3:10
sho nuff
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Local running store here is doing something to raise money in the next couple of weeks.
They did something similar when they put on their own impromptu run to help those in Newtown...and then one keeps getting bigger as they sponsored another run actually in CT a few weeks ago.
But they are giving out little "angels" with the name and information of victims (as they get them)...you pint it on your race shirt as you run the CMM and they take donations for them.
The donations go straight to the families of those affected.
Going to head down there tomorrow and donate some eventhough I can't run this year.
My wife is reluctant about me volunteering with my group near the start and finish now.
But just feel I need to be down there to support the race here and whatever I can. Security is going to be super tight though.
Wish I was more up to walking the half since I still will have a bib for the race...just tough on me still plus have soccer games to get to and can't be around too late down there.
Still considering it if my doc will clear me.
They did something similar when they put on their own impromptu run to help those in Newtown...and then one keeps getting bigger as they sponsored another run actually in CT a few weeks ago.
But they are giving out little "angels" with the name and information of victims (as they get them)...you pint it on your race shirt as you run the CMM and they take donations for them.
The donations go straight to the families of those affected.
Going to head down there tomorrow and donate some eventhough I can't run this year.
My wife is reluctant about me volunteering with my group near the start and finish now.
But just feel I need to be down there to support the race here and whatever I can. Security is going to be super tight though.
Wish I was more up to walking the half since I still will have a bib for the race...just tough on me still plus have soccer games to get to and can't be around too late down there.
Still considering it if my doc will clear me.
tri-man 47
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Three (assuming my wife understands why I'm going to run a couple marathons again). Qualifier is a 3:40 (PR is 3:37; HM PR is 1:31:30). I'd shoot for Grand Rapids, as before, which is late-October.
Yeah, if you an run 1:20-1:25 and have reasonable training/pacing for your marathon, I would think sub-3 should be a reasonable goal. If you want to make sure you can get in for Boston I might even suggest shooting for 3:04:59 (beating your BQ by 5 minutes) to be safe.
So I saw some questions floating around regarding the qualifying process, and I know this is probably basic knowledge to some on here but I thought I would share some insight (as well as rumors/speculations regarding 2014)
Qualifying:
Time window - time must be run within about the last 18 months. So for example, the qualifying window for Boston 2014 started on 9/22/2012 and you can use any time after that date up until registration closes. My last marathon (that I finished) was actually run the date after the window opened, so I had serious thoughts about dropping out yesterday. I am fairly certain Juxt has a qualifying time from 2012 Chicago marathon as well. (just not sure if he's planning on doing this again next year
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Time Standards - The BAA site is down (or confusing) right now since they are still in semi-race-day-format. But I found the standards here.
http://runnersconnect.net/boston-marathon-qualifying/
Registration Process-
Registration opens in early/middle September. In the first 2 days you can only register if you have run 20+ minutes faster than your BQ. In the next 2 days they also let people who have run 10 or more minutes faster than your BQ register. On day 5 it's 5 minutes or better. Finally on days 8-12 anyone with a BQ can register.
However, you are not guaranteed an entry until you receive a confirmation e-mail. For the people who register during days 8-12, BAA will rank you based on how much you beat your standard by and assign remaining slots to those with the largest qualifying margins first. So they only have 1000 slots left and 2000 register, the 1000 people (regardless of when they registered during days 8-12) with the largest qualifying margin will be awarded the spots. Note, 38's not the fastest. (so a 18/M with a 3:03 will be ranked behind a 38/M with a 3:06)
For the 2012 marathon this cutoff was approximately 1:15-1:30 faster than the actual BQs posted. (so that year the men's 18-34 standard was still 3:10, but i think the cutoff was 3:08:4x for this group)
For the 2013 marathon there were actually spots left after the initial 2-week period, so they reopened registration in early October on a first-come first-serve basis. I think it filled 2 weeks later.
Based on some rumors I heard so far, due to the number of people who want to run next year to show support for the race, there's speculation that the situation may be more like in 2012 where just hitting your BQ may not get you in.
Registration Date-I am not sure if BAA has posted registration opening dates for 2014 yet, but as a point of reference I found my confirmation letter. (I registered about 5 minutes after it opened on day 1) and the e-mail was dated Monday 9/10, and I think registration opened on the 2nd Monday of September the year before as well.
Qualifying races-With that said, I pulled together a list of races within 2 months of the initial 2 week period. I am not sure if all these races are qualifiers. (I know the Equinox Marathon in Fairbanks is NOT, but that course is ridiculously difficult anyways).
http://www.marathonguide.com/races/races.cfm?Sort=RaceDate&Place=USA&StartDate=7/24/13
So I saw some questions floating around regarding the qualifying process, and I know this is probably basic knowledge to some on here but I thought I would share some insight (as well as rumors/speculations regarding 2014)
Qualifying:
Time window - time must be run within about the last 18 months. So for example, the qualifying window for Boston 2014 started on 9/22/2012 and you can use any time after that date up until registration closes. My last marathon (that I finished) was actually run the date after the window opened, so I had serious thoughts about dropping out yesterday. I am fairly certain Juxt has a qualifying time from 2012 Chicago marathon as well. (just not sure if he's planning on doing this again next year
)Time Standards - The BAA site is down (or confusing) right now since they are still in semi-race-day-format. But I found the standards here.
http://runnersconnect.net/boston-marathon-qualifying/
Registration Process-
Registration opens in early/middle September. In the first 2 days you can only register if you have run 20+ minutes faster than your BQ. In the next 2 days they also let people who have run 10 or more minutes faster than your BQ register. On day 5 it's 5 minutes or better. Finally on days 8-12 anyone with a BQ can register.
However, you are not guaranteed an entry until you receive a confirmation e-mail. For the people who register during days 8-12, BAA will rank you based on how much you beat your standard by and assign remaining slots to those with the largest qualifying margins first. So they only have 1000 slots left and 2000 register, the 1000 people (regardless of when they registered during days 8-12) with the largest qualifying margin will be awarded the spots. Note, 38's not the fastest. (so a 18/M with a 3:03 will be ranked behind a 38/M with a 3:06)
For the 2012 marathon this cutoff was approximately 1:15-1:30 faster than the actual BQs posted. (so that year the men's 18-34 standard was still 3:10, but i think the cutoff was 3:08:4x for this group)
For the 2013 marathon there were actually spots left after the initial 2-week period, so they reopened registration in early October on a first-come first-serve basis. I think it filled 2 weeks later.
Based on some rumors I heard so far, due to the number of people who want to run next year to show support for the race, there's speculation that the situation may be more like in 2012 where just hitting your BQ may not get you in.
Registration Date-I am not sure if BAA has posted registration opening dates for 2014 yet, but as a point of reference I found my confirmation letter. (I registered about 5 minutes after it opened on day 1) and the e-mail was dated Monday 9/10, and I think registration opened on the 2nd Monday of September the year before as well.
Qualifying races-With that said, I pulled together a list of races within 2 months of the initial 2 week period. I am not sure if all these races are qualifiers. (I know the Equinox Marathon in Fairbanks is NOT, but that course is ridiculously difficult anyways).
http://www.marathonguide.com/races/races.cfm?Sort=RaceDate&Place=USA&StartDate=7/24/13
Additional notes-
With all that said, now that I have a better feel of some of your histories, I would recommend for some of you to go for your BQ-5 minutes to make sure you get in. (i.e. Gruecd, Tri, and Koby. It seems like those are well within your capabilities. Hang I think you can qualify (3:10?) by fall if you can run low-1:30 half off of the mileage you are having, but you gotta bump up your miles a bit and/or get in some long runs. If you can get your half down to 85-86 by the end of the summer then I might say 3:05 is possible, but it just seems like going for 2xHM+10min for your first full is really risky and never worked out for anyone I know. (hell, i have never run within 10 minutes of 2x(half PB)... and I thought I had enough weekly miles under my belt the last 3-4 times.
With all that said, now that I have a better feel of some of your histories, I would recommend for some of you to go for your BQ-5 minutes to make sure you get in. (i.e. Gruecd, Tri, and Koby. It seems like those are well within your capabilities. Hang I think you can qualify (3:10?) by fall if you can run low-1:30 half off of the mileage you are having, but you gotta bump up your miles a bit and/or get in some long runs. If you can get your half down to 85-86 by the end of the summer then I might say 3:05 is possible, but it just seems like going for 2xHM+10min for your first full is really risky and never worked out for anyone I know. (hell, i have never run within 10 minutes of 2x(half PB)... and I thought I had enough weekly miles under my belt the last 3-4 times.
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tri-man 47
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Hang 10
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Ugh...3:05, eh? Yeah, I ran my first marathon last march in 3:35. So only got to shoot to PR it by 30 minutes! Piece of cake...
Ned
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I've done it twice (-0:37, -0:34), but my endurance was/is severely lacking. With your talent, I have zero doubt you can do it with some focused training.Ugh...3:05, eh? Yeah, I ran my first marathon last march in 3:35. So only got to shoot to PR it by 30 minutes! Piece of cake...
Hang 10
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That's impressive. You're as dedicated to your training as anyone here.I've done it twice (-0:37, -0:34), but my endurance was/is severely lacking. With your talent, I have zero doubt you can do it with some focused training.Ugh...3:05, eh? Yeah, I ran my first marathon last march in 3:35. So only got to shoot to PR it by 30 minutes! Piece of cake...
Appreciate the vote of confidence. But I think the main thing for me will be getting through this summer injury free and then deciding if I'm ready for that type of challenge. That's quite a bit of pressure to run that type of race with Boston qualifying expectations. Crazy to think I could PR by 20 something minutes and be disappointed at the end of the day.
koby925
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Thanks for all the info, Steve. I didn't know qualifying didn't guarantee you a spot. So if registration starts in early mid-Sept, then I assume it closes after the 8-12 day window? So basically, anyone wanting to qualify has to do it by early September at the latest. And I'm 38, so to be safe, you're thinking I have to go sub 3:05. Yes I ran 1:22:05 at the flat, fast Philly Half in September, but I have never believed that 2XHM + 10 (a 2:54:10 in theory) would automatically apply to me either. Heck, probably even less than it applies to you and you don't agree with it. So I'd by no means think 3:05 or 3:10 was a certainty.
Hang 10
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Well, the registration window closes after 2 weeks so they can sort out all the entries and do their ranking/ordering and assign spots. However, if it doesn't fill then they'll re-open it in October. The early speculation is that it will fill in that 2 week period this year, but I am not completely sold on it yet as there were similar speculations last year but there were spots as late as the 2nd weekend of October. (I think a couple of my friends ran Baltimore as a hail mary attempt)
I feel like I should be able to run within 2xHM+10min, as that's actually on the "long" range of most decent marathoners. (some of my friends have done 2xHMP+5-6 min... which is kind of sick). I think Gruecd falls under that range category as well. I think my problem is just either bad luck or I got slightly greedy early on so the closest I have come is 10.5min (4 years ago) and 11.5min (last January). I think in both of those races (where I have come the closest) I was targeting 2xHMP+6-8 min since I "felt like I was in better shape" than my tune-up half a few weeks prior.
I feel like I should be able to run within 2xHM+10min, as that's actually on the "long" range of most decent marathoners. (some of my friends have done 2xHMP+5-6 min... which is kind of sick). I think Gruecd falls under that range category as well. I think my problem is just either bad luck or I got slightly greedy early on so the closest I have come is 10.5min (4 years ago) and 11.5min (last January). I think in both of those races (where I have come the closest) I was targeting 2xHMP+6-8 min since I "felt like I was in better shape" than my tune-up half a few weeks prior.
The_Man
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Still get chills thinking about Workhorse's family. I am so thankful they weren't hurt.
Boston 2014 has been my dream for a couple of years now - though you wouldn't know it from how fat and out of shape I've gotten over the last 6 months. It's the only time in the near future that the Marathon is on Easter Monday, which would enable my family to come. And since my wife grew up a block from the course, in the house where her mom still lives, having them there is a big part of why I want to run Boston -- Easter dinner with my beloved Italian mother-in-law, then the Marathon the next day, with my kids watching from the end of the street in the same spot where my wife grew up watching the race as a kid, with them able to attend because school is on Easter Break and they're not missing any class.
My PR is a 3:20
x. I would need a 3:15 to qualify, probably a 3:10 to be safe - too bad I turn 45 two weeks after next year's Marathon - I'm already almost 5 minutes better than the 3:25 for that group. Time to get serious and turn this from a dream to a goal. I'm looking at early October for my qualifying attempt, because Chicago and Baltimore are mid-October and I want to get my time in before those two giant races are held and produce additional BQers trying to register for Boston.
Looking at the Wineglass on Oct. 6, near Binghamton, NY. Have thought about Grue's Fox Valley on Sept. 22, but I don't think I can swing the travel.
Boston 2014 has been my dream for a couple of years now - though you wouldn't know it from how fat and out of shape I've gotten over the last 6 months. It's the only time in the near future that the Marathon is on Easter Monday, which would enable my family to come. And since my wife grew up a block from the course, in the house where her mom still lives, having them there is a big part of why I want to run Boston -- Easter dinner with my beloved Italian mother-in-law, then the Marathon the next day, with my kids watching from the end of the street in the same spot where my wife grew up watching the race as a kid, with them able to attend because school is on Easter Break and they're not missing any class.
My PR is a 3:20
x. I would need a 3:15 to qualify, probably a 3:10 to be safe - too bad I turn 45 two weeks after next year's Marathon - I'm already almost 5 minutes better than the 3:25 for that group. Time to get serious and turn this from a dream to a goal. I'm looking at early October for my qualifying attempt, because Chicago and Baltimore are mid-October and I want to get my time in before those two giant races are held and produce additional BQers trying to register for Boston.Looking at the Wineglass on Oct. 6, near Binghamton, NY. Have thought about Grue's Fox Valley on Sept. 22, but I don't think I can swing the travel.
Ned
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Thanks. I just love this game.That's impressive. You're as dedicated to your training as anyone here.I've done it twice (-0:37, -0:34), but my endurance was/is severely lacking. With your talent, I have zero doubt you can do it with some focused training.Ugh...3:05, eh? Yeah, I ran my first marathon last march in 3:35. So only got to shoot to PR it by 30 minutes! Piece of cake...
Appreciate the vote of confidence. But I think the main thing for me will be getting through this summer injury free and then deciding if I'm ready for that type of challenge. That's quite a bit of pressure to run that type of race with Boston qualifying expectations. Crazy to think I could PR by 20 something minutes and be disappointed at the end of the day.
I agree it'd be a ton of pressure and a bit unrealistic if you waited until after the summer. If you started focusing on building a solid endurance base right now, I'd give you pretty good odds at getting a BQ in the fall. Its a lot of pressure regardless, but isn't that half the fun of it?!
Ned
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DO IT!Still get chills thinking about Workhorse's family. I am so thankful they weren't hurt.
Boston 2014 has been my dream for a couple of years now - though you wouldn't know it from how fat and out of shape I've gotten over the last 6 months. It's the only time in the near future that the Marathon is on Easter Monday, which would enable my family to come. And since my wife grew up a block from the course, in the house where her mom still lives, having them there is a big part of why I want to run Boston -- Easter dinner with my beloved Italian mother-in-law, then the Marathon the next day, with my kids watching from the end of the street in the same spot where my wife grew up watching the race as a kid, with them able to attend because school is on Easter Break and they're not missing any class.
My PR is a 3:20
Looking at the Wineglass on Oct. 6, near Binghamton, NY. Have thought about Grue's Fox Valley on Sept. 22, but I don't think I can swing the travel.
wilked
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AcerFC
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gruecd
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Free place to stay if you change your mind,
wilked
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Whoa, just read this
http://howtorunamarathon.net/Run_the_Tangents.html
Now I see why the GPS watch said 26.5...
Of course veering over for some Wellesley smooches probably didn't help either
http://howtorunamarathon.net/Run_the_Tangents.html
Now I see why the GPS watch said 26.5...
Of course veering over for some Wellesley smooches probably didn't help either
sho nuff
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I have no way of qualifying so will leave it at that.
I am, however, considering another full...and possibly the Country Music Full...even being a hillier course...but just because it is here...and I run with a group and it means a lot to me to run this one with them (helps also knowing the town, course, logistics, and knowing I will be staying overnight right near the start as the group I run with blocks rooms off).
This would give me basically a year to get back into gear after this surgery...use the fall for getting into training shape again after being out of running for almost 2 months now.
Then I know of a great half tune up a month and a half before the marathon.
The tough part of it all is we are still talking about getting our house ready to sell and possibly moving in the next year...and convincing my wife that I am not crazy by wanting to do this to myself again.
I am, however, considering another full...and possibly the Country Music Full...even being a hillier course...but just because it is here...and I run with a group and it means a lot to me to run this one with them (helps also knowing the town, course, logistics, and knowing I will be staying overnight right near the start as the group I run with blocks rooms off).
This would give me basically a year to get back into gear after this surgery...use the fall for getting into training shape again after being out of running for almost 2 months now.
Then I know of a great half tune up a month and a half before the marathon.
The tough part of it all is we are still talking about getting our house ready to sell and possibly moving in the next year...and convincing my wife that I am not crazy by wanting to do this to myself again.
sho nuff
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Nice...wish I could be ready for that in a way...grew up in the area and my parents are back there now would be fun to do.
Timing of it with my daughter will be just starting kindergarten and my son in 4th grade makes it tough.
The_Man
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Sand
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tri-man 47
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I'm very curious about that too. The same day as your Fix Cities race in Appleton is a Fox Valley race west of Chicago. I fear that would be too late (I certainly could not wait until the October race in Grand Rapids). I see a 9/1 race up in Minocqua on a rails-to-trails path ...will consider that if I proceed with this and it's a BQ race.
jb1020
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Come on down to Jackson, I went ahead and signed up for the Blues Marathon yesterday and was lucky enough to get in on the "first 500 discount."
Its a good course...and a nice race.
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