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Ran a 10k in June (13 Viewers)

Oh and from now on, I'm getting Ned or BnB to write my race reports. When I post them, it's like I'm giving a witness statement to the cops. Just the facts. :doh:
Gotta give some props to Duck on this front.
:goodposting: I actually thought of him Sand when seeing a beautiful piece of trail "Duck Sand would take ask for a pic of this". :thumbup:
Fixed.

Hi, Steel Curtain!
This just confirms that at least part of the priorities in my life are exactly where they need to be...

 
The only downer of the day seems to be gruecd's pesky IT Band giving him problems on a 19 mile trial run on his ultra course. :( Hopefully two weeks of rest will let him race.
What's up, kids?First of all, congrats to all of the racers this past weekend; it sounds like you all did a great job. I haven't been on the boards much, other than to argue with some people in the "retirement" thread who seem to think they know my job better than I do, but that's another story. :wall: So to tri-man's point, yeah, I got up early on Saturday morning and drove with a buddy down to the Ice Age Trail to run the last 18+ miles of the race course. As you'll recall, my ITB flared up at Boston, but I got some treatment last week, and it was feeling pretty good when we started out. Well that lasted for about 2/3 of the run, but the last 6-7 miles were pretty miserable. The hills definitely didn't help, and by the end, I could barely bend my knee.I was pretty frustrated and generally in a ####ty mood the rest of the day Saturday and all day Sunday, but after doing a bunch of stretching and foam rolling and hitting yoga yesterday afternoon, it's feeling better. And with 12 days to go until race day, I'm going HAM (Google it) on this MFer. I saw a guy this morning who did some Active Release and Graston Technique work and ultrasound on it. I’ll see him a few more times before the race, and he’s gonna help me K-tape it, too. Hoping to see my regular MT on Thursday, and I’ve got four PT appointments before the race. Gonna go to yoga every day. Might not get a whole lot of work done between now and then, but I'll get this leg better if it's the last thing I do!

ETA: The course is pretty awesome. Lots of changing terrain, from meadows to rocky to pine needles to dirt, but pretty much all single track. Like I said, I only ran the last 18+ miles, but the vast majority of it is pretty runnable.

 
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Good luck with the IT, gruecd. I know a lingering injury like this has got to drive you nuts.

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Our weather has finally turned around, and I took advantage of it yesterday to get in 15, which will be my last "long" run before my HM on 5/11 (next Saturday). The plan for the rest of this week is to do a 10/6 LT run probably on Wednesday and a 10 mile GA run on Saturday, with a couple short runs mixed in there. Next week will be all short and easy except for race day.

The combination of travel issues, minor injuries, and atrocious weather has definitely taken a toll on my training. For April, I will have only averaged 32.5 miles per week, which is horrible for a lead-up to a half, but unfortunately that's all water under the bridge now, so I'll have to just live with whatever happens on race day.

 
2Young - how did Jrs 4x800 go?
If you ask him, probably a bit too good. It was a long, cold day for the kids (and for we parents too). Their bus left at 1pm and the meet began at 3pm. Temps were in the high 40s for the start but dropped in to the 30s and the meet did not end until after 9:30pm. His 4x800 was the second event of the "evening" session. They were having the kids line up about 15 minutes before each event, so staying warm was tough. There were 10 teams in the meet and they ran all ten in a single heat. He went out very cautious and hovered between 8th and last until the final turn where he blasted an incredible kick and passed the baton to the second runner in 5th place and just missed over taking 4th. Their second runner picked up 4th, the third runner held the postion and then the wheels came off for their 4th. They handed off neck and neck with a kid that could fly and our runner tried to keep up. He was gassed by the end of the first 400 and began to drop spots during the second lap, ultimately, they finished 7th. My son ran the fastest 800 of the four in 2:18. I think he had more kick and probably should have gone sooner. The reason I said too good in my son's eyes is that the coach let him know he'd likely run varsity 800s this week (they have 3 meets in 4 days due to rain outs). I'm excited to see what he can do. Their best distance runner's dad is the assistant X-Country coach (this kid was the only X-Country to qualify for states) and stands at the 200 mark and barks out splits for his son. I told my son I'd be happy to do the same if he thinks it'll help (or, I told him to ask the dad/coach to do the same for him).

So, after his cool down, he comes and gets a Jimmy John's sub, chips and a big Gatoraide and proceeds to finish it all as he thinks he is done. The 4x400 is the second to llast event. About 10 minutes before the event, he rushes over to my wife and I as we have his gear and says, frantically, one of our 400 runners got hurt doing the high jump, so I am running the lead leg of the 4x400. With very little warm up, a gut full of food and drink and freezing his backside off waiting for the second he still was able to run a 57 and change lead leg (but he was miserable after and faded big time down the stretch).

As for the meet in total, our school dominated the event, scoring 84 points (second was at 61). While I was miserably cold, it loved all 6 and a half hours of the event. This was an invite, so there were some very unique event including; a 4x110 hurdle shuttle relay, a cross country mile that started on the track, left and came back, a coed relay and several mixed medley events. The event wrapped with what my son called "The Fat Man" event, where they did a 4x100 relay with the discus and shot put athletes. The kids had a blast with this non-points event.

Since I am typing away, thought I'd do a mini RR from Saturday. Trail 1/2 Marathon.

Chilly, but nice morning, but it didn't matter as I'd won VIP tent access which turned out to be heated, with someone to wait on us and a private porta-john (NICE). I waited and warmed up in the tent until the first few waves went off and then walked out and started where I belonged. As Tri-Man knows from doing this event, people way over shoot their abilities which can lead to some big bottle necks in the beginning. This year was the worst of the 5 I've done for this. My first mile took over 12 minutes, my second took almost 14. I didn't really mind it, as I have just not trained like I should have. Moving along, I felt very good at the 6 mile mark and, suprisingly good at the 8 mile mark considering some of the hills that are in the back end of this event. I barely looked at the Garmin all day, but a review of my data shows that miles 8,9, 10 and 13 were my 4 fastest miles.

I finished in 2:26, which is the third fastest of the 5 I've run (though 2 minutes slower than last year). Based on how I've trained, I'd have been happy with anything this side of 2:30. The amazing thing, is my HR data. Lowest average HR I've had for this event is 170, Saturday it was 159. Max was only 172, whereas, I've touched the 190s every year prior and even went north of 200 once. While the perfect weather was a factor, I have to think the long slow endurance swims I've been doing this year has had a major impact. What hasn't changed about this event is that I am SORE as heck. I was a bit worried about my left achilles, but after a few days of ice, it appears to be normal wear and tear.

Back at the VIP after, I was able to sit and be waited on until it was time to head for home.

GREAT racing all weekend guys, wish I could have joined the PR parade. I volunteered at a 5K yesterday and watching got me to thinking about if I can turn some of this endurance into speed over the next 6-weeks or so to try and get a 5K PR this year. I have another trail 1/2 in less than three weeks and then no real distance events for the rest of the year (running-wise) so I may join the summer of speed.

 
Back at the VIP after, I was able to sit and be waited on until it was time to head for home.
So manicure, pedicure, Geisha girls? Really unspecific here...

(BTW, a good weekend all around - your kid can move!)
They had what I am guessing was a 20'x20' tent with a tarp down for a floor. There was a propane heater that heated the tent to around 70 degrees or so. They circled the heater with camp chairs and you could leave your gear there (which was nice as its a bit of a walk from the car). There was a picnic table with every imaginable race provision one would need and an amazing gentleman that forced us to be waited on (Tri-Man, you would remember this guy as a volunteer at DWD. His name is Gary, about 65, neatly shaven grey beard, runs their Traverse City Running Fit store). He had run Boston and was in the pack that was pushed off course and told an incredibly moving story of what it took for him to get back to his hotel and rejoin his wife (and how he looked after a young woman). Post race, we didn't even get back to the tent before Gary was asking us what we needed and ran around to get us what we needed. Its a bit silly, but the private porta-john may have been the best perk of all. I am a jittery mess on race day no matter the event and HATE the bathroom lines and everything that comes with them. I will never have it so good again (unless I win another opportunity . While I'd love to give Running Fit my shoe business to get VIP access at another event, I am loyal to my Local Running Store for all they do for the local community. I am going to try and volunteer, possibly doing kayak support, at one of Running Fit's tris to show my appreciation if time permits.

 
2Young, good results for Jr. Sounds like he had quite a bit left in the tank on the 800 and with time and experience will continue to improve. Very cool that he will be running Varsity 800s this week. I think the 600 split will help for sure. If you're already there, giving a 200 split can't hurt but unless it is a really fast or really slow start that can help explain things to him mentally (like I feel lousy already...if he hears 32 seconds that would explain it...or if he feels great and hears they went out in 42, that would explain that), but I always felt the first 200 was on mostly adrenaline and the race was feeling itself out. The 400 split and 600m split are very helpful to know.

And and good job by you, too. Get used to playing second fiddle to Jr. when people asked how you guys did :P

 
Wow! Great start to the weekend with 3 PRs! Congrats Annyong and Prince!
Make that 4 prs. My son broke 20 min on the 5k leg of or duathlon. I think his paces were 6:24 for the 5k and 6:14 for the 3k.
I meant to comment on this in my last post, these are incredible times. How was his bike leg and did he win his AG (I have to think he did). As I recall, he is only in middle school, right? The local high school has to be dying to get a hold of him for X-Country.

 
Bought some new runners(Mizuno wave creations)......how long/distance should it take to break these puppies in?
Shoes today should be out of the box ready for just about anything. I'd do what ever the schedule calls for being hyper-aware to shut things down should some pain and/or rubs (start of blisters, etc) should arise. I'd wear the best pair of socks you have to ensure any rubs stay at a minimum (or body glide where these may occur).

 
Cool, windy, rainy Sunday morning in downtown Cleveland. Not friendly walk-up traffic weather and a 10 miler the day before so only about 300 runners participated. My wife has used the double jogging stroller several times, but I only did once and had issues whenever I was rolling over bumps in the roads. The stroller would rattle and I'd have to slow to a near walk to stabilize. Figured we needed to tighten the wheel whenever I ran with it and I'd just have to take more gradual, slow turns. Well, race day came and I asked my wife if the settings were right, she said yes, and we realized 20 feet into the race they were not. Oh well, too late now. I have a 3.1 mile push of the Cool Runnings bobsled and just hope it doesn't fall apart during with my 3 year old and 6 month old inside!

First mile is mostly uphill. More than half of it is the Detroit/Superior bridge over the Cuyahoga. Steeper and longer climb going out than coming back, so good to get it out of the way. Then a slow, steady incline once over the bridge until the 1 mile mark. Unlike most races I didn't sand the start because I figured I'd over exhert myself, started in the middle of pack 2 and just tried to stay with them on the climb up the bridge. Plan obviously to let the momentum take me back down, got to the bottom and what do you know, I'm right behind 2nd and 3rd all of a sudden. Paced off them until the mile mark (7:10) until we hit flat ground and I could pick up my stride. Picked both of them off over the next 1/2 mile until we hit the turn around then passed both immediately afterwards. 1st was still a ways out, but seemed a little closer than before, so thought he may be one of those start fast and hold on types. Little by little he got closer and closer while several others were pacing me behind. Figured I might as well take my shot as I pass by mile 2 (14:15) and with the steady decline back to the bridge coming knew my shot was coming now because I would lose steam going up the back end of the bridge. Problem. This part of the road was much bumpier. Didn't notice it as much on the way out because I was going up hill, slower, but when I tried to take off I couldn't because I had to keep slowing down because of the Cool Running sled. Ugh. By the time we got back to the bridge I had closed the gap but not nearly enough to pass him in the final 1/4 mile and as we climbed up the hill two more picked me off and two others caught me but I didn't let the second two get ahead. While I ran into more bumpy road problems on the way back down I was able to create enough separation to ensure they didn't catch me on the final sprint. Didn't quite catch back up to the front pack though. Overall, 22:20. Winner, 21:50, second place 21:53, third 22:08.

I really think I could have been there at the end if we had the stroller set up correctly, but with a 30 second difference I think I was far enough back that I'd have been out kicked. So, I'm satisfied. Took home an age group win too since I'm in the old farts 30+ club now too. Also believe 22 mins is a very reasonable goal next time around. Have to make sure we have the stroller set up right though!

 
2Young2BBald, on 29 Apr 2013 - 13:05, said:

BassNBrew, on 27 Apr 2013 - 14:05, said:

Juxtatarot, on 27 Apr 2013 - 12:48, said:Wow! Great start to the weekend with 3 PRs! Congrats Annyong and Prince!
Make that 4 prs. My son broke 20 min on the 5k leg of or duathlon. I think his paces were 6:24 for the 5k and 6:14 for the 3k.
I meant to comment on this in my last post, these are incredible times. How was his bike leg and did he win his AG (I have to think he did). As I recall, he is only in middle school, right? The local high school has to be dying to get a hold of him for X-Country.
I did the bike, we won the men's relay. Of course we were the only men's relay team. It's not apples to apples, but we had the 3rd fastest time in the event. I think there were about 200 entries. He was 6th in on the 5k. I ended up 4th in on the bike with a so-so 21.1 mph average. He passed one more in the last mile to be the 3rd person across the line. He got a bunch of cheers and enjoyed that.He's a freshman so that time isn't anything special. He's doing 70 sec 400m and has best stand alone mile is 5:46. That said, he's still improving and just started interval work 8 weeks ago.
 
Wrigley, on 29 Apr 2013 - 13:13, said:Bought some new runners(Mizuno wave creations)......how long/distance should it take to break these puppies in?
I did my 100 miler with a pair shoes fresh out of the box sans 2 miles of walking. My first marathon I did with a new pair with 200 yards on them.
 
Cool, windy, rainy Sunday morning in downtown Cleveland. Not friendly walk-up traffic weather and a 10 miler the day before so only about 300 runners participated. My wife has used the double jogging stroller several times, but I only did once and had issues whenever I was rolling over bumps in the roads. The stroller would rattle and I'd have to slow to a near walk to stabilize. Figured we needed to tighten the wheel whenever I ran with it and I'd just have to take more gradual, slow turns. Well, race day came and I asked my wife if the settings were right, she said yes, and we realized 20 feet into the race they were not. Oh well, too late now. I have a 3.1 mile push of the Cool Runnings bobsled and just hope it doesn't fall apart during with my 3 year old and 6 month old inside!

First mile is mostly uphill. More than half of it is the Detroit/Superior bridge over the Cuyahoga. Steeper and longer climb going out than coming back, so good to get it out of the way. Then a slow, steady incline once over the bridge until the 1 mile mark. Unlike most races I didn't sand the start because I figured I'd over exhert myself, started in the middle of pack 2 and just tried to stay with them on the climb up the bridge. Plan obviously to let the momentum take me back down, got to the bottom and what do you know, I'm right behind 2nd and 3rd all of a sudden. Paced off them until the mile mark (7:10) until we hit flat ground and I could pick up my stride. Picked both of them off over the next 1/2 mile until we hit the turn around then passed both immediately afterwards. 1st was still a ways out, but seemed a little closer than before, so thought he may be one of those start fast and hold on types. Little by little he got closer and closer while several others were pacing me behind. Figured I might as well take my shot as I pass by mile 2 (14:15) and with the steady decline back to the bridge coming knew my shot was coming now because I would lose steam going up the back end of the bridge. Problem. This part of the road was much bumpier. Didn't notice it as much on the way out because I was going up hill, slower, but when I tried to take off I couldn't because I had to keep slowing down because of the Cool Running sled. Ugh. By the time we got back to the bridge I had closed the gap but not nearly enough to pass him in the final 1/4 mile and as we climbed up the hill two more picked me off and two others caught me but I didn't let the second two get ahead. While I ran into more bumpy road problems on the way back down I was able to create enough separation to ensure they didn't catch me on the final sprint. Didn't quite catch back up to the front pack though. Overall, 22:20. Winner, 21:50, second place 21:53, third 22:08.

I really think I could have been there at the end if we had the stroller set up correctly, but with a 30 second difference I think I was far enough back that I'd have been out kicked. So, I'm satisfied. Took home an age group win too since I'm in the old farts 30+ club now too. Also believe 22 mins is a very reasonable goal next time around. Have to make sure we have the stroller set up right though!
I gotta give you credit, MAC, when I see strollers in races, they aren't going anywhere near as fast as you did. I think it would be a pretty funny scene to see you sprinting it out with someone at the end for first place with a stroller. That's a no win situation for the other guy, no? Win and yeah you beat the guy with the stroller. Lose and...well, you lost to a guy with a stroller.

 
MAC_32, on 29 Apr 2013 - 14:56, said:Cool, windy, rainy Sunday morning in downtown Cleveland. Not friendly walk-up traffic weather and a 10 miler the day before so only about 300 runners participated. My wife has used the double jogging stroller several times, but I only did once and had issues whenever I was rolling over bumps in the roads. The stroller would rattle and I'd have to slow to a near walk to stabilize. Figured we needed to tighten the wheel whenever I ran with it and I'd just have to take more gradual, slow turns. Well, race day came and I asked my wife if the settings were right, she said yes, and we realized 20 feet into the race they were not. Oh well, too late now. I have a 3.1 mile push of the Cool Runnings bobsled and just hope it doesn't fall apart during with my 3 year old and 6 month old inside!First mile is mostly uphill. More than half of it is the Detroit/Superior bridge over the Cuyahoga. Steeper and longer climb going out than coming back, so good to get it out of the way. Then a slow, steady incline once over the bridge until the 1 mile mark. Unlike most races I didn't sand the start because I figured I'd over exhert myself, started in the middle of pack 2 and just tried to stay with them on the climb up the bridge. Plan obviously to let the momentum take me back down, got to the bottom and what do you know, I'm right behind 2nd and 3rd all of a sudden. Paced off them until the mile mark (7:10) until we hit flat ground and I could pick up my stride. Picked both of them off over the next 1/2 mile until we hit the turn around then passed both immediately afterwards. 1st was still a ways out, but seemed a little closer than before, so thought he may be one of those start fast and hold on types. Little by little he got closer and closer while several others were pacing me behind. Figured I might as well take my shot as I pass by mile 2 (14:15) and with the steady decline back to the bridge coming knew my shot was coming now because I would lose steam going up the back end of the bridge. Problem. This part of the road was much bumpier. Didn't notice it as much on the way out because I was going up hill, slower, but when I tried to take off I couldn't because I had to keep slowing down because of the Cool Running sled. Ugh. By the time we got back to the bridge I had closed the gap but not nearly enough to pass him in the final 1/4 mile and as we climbed up the hill two more picked me off and two others caught me but I didn't let the second two get ahead. While I ran into more bumpy road problems on the way back down I was able to create enough separation to ensure they didn't catch me on the final sprint. Didn't quite catch back up to the front pack though. Overall, 22:20. Winner, 21:50, second place 21:53, third 22:08.I really think I could have been there at the end if we had the stroller set up correctly, but with a 30 second difference I think I was far enough back that I'd have been out kicked. So, I'm satisfied. Took home an age group win too since I'm in the old farts 30+ club now too. Also believe 22 mins is a very reasonable goal next time around. Have to make sure we have the stroller set up right though!
Geez...thanks for making me feel incredibly slow.Congrats on the age group win.
 
2Young - great stuff for Jr!!!

MAC - too cool to be fighting for a win while pushing a stroller! Like koby says, it must have driven the other guys crazy. A fun report to read!

 
Cool, windy, rainy Sunday morning in downtown Cleveland. Not friendly walk-up traffic weather and a 10 miler the day before so only about 300 runners participated. My wife has used the double jogging stroller several times, but I only did once and had issues whenever I was rolling over bumps in the roads. The stroller would rattle and I'd have to slow to a near walk to stabilize. Figured we needed to tighten the wheel whenever I ran with it and I'd just have to take more gradual, slow turns. Well, race day came and I asked my wife if the settings were right, she said yes, and we realized 20 feet into the race they were not. Oh well, too late now. I have a 3.1 mile push of the Cool Runnings bobsled and just hope it doesn't fall apart during with my 3 year old and 6 month old inside!

First mile is mostly uphill. More than half of it is the Detroit/Superior bridge over the Cuyahoga. Steeper and longer climb going out than coming back, so good to get it out of the way. Then a slow, steady incline once over the bridge until the 1 mile mark. Unlike most races I didn't sand the start because I figured I'd over exhert myself, started in the middle of pack 2 and just tried to stay with them on the climb up the bridge. Plan obviously to let the momentum take me back down, got to the bottom and what do you know, I'm right behind 2nd and 3rd all of a sudden. Paced off them until the mile mark (7:10) until we hit flat ground and I could pick up my stride. Picked both of them off over the next 1/2 mile until we hit the turn around then passed both immediately afterwards. 1st was still a ways out, but seemed a little closer than before, so thought he may be one of those start fast and hold on types. Little by little he got closer and closer while several others were pacing me behind. Figured I might as well take my shot as I pass by mile 2 (14:15) and with the steady decline back to the bridge coming knew my shot was coming now because I would lose steam going up the back end of the bridge. Problem. This part of the road was much bumpier. Didn't notice it as much on the way out because I was going up hill, slower, but when I tried to take off I couldn't because I had to keep slowing down because of the Cool Running sled. Ugh. By the time we got back to the bridge I had closed the gap but not nearly enough to pass him in the final 1/4 mile and as we climbed up the hill two more picked me off and two others caught me but I didn't let the second two get ahead. While I ran into more bumpy road problems on the way back down I was able to create enough separation to ensure they didn't catch me on the final sprint. Didn't quite catch back up to the front pack though. Overall, 22:20. Winner, 21:50, second place 21:53, third 22:08.

I really think I could have been there at the end if we had the stroller set up correctly, but with a 30 second difference I think I was far enough back that I'd have been out kicked. So, I'm satisfied. Took home an age group win too since I'm in the old farts 30+ club now too. Also believe 22 mins is a very reasonable goal next time around. Have to make sure we have the stroller set up right though!
I gotta give you credit, MAC, when I see strollers in races, they aren't going anywhere near as fast as you did. I think it would be a pretty funny scene to see you sprinting it out with someone at the end for first place with a stroller. That's a no win situation for the other guy, no? Win and yeah you beat the guy with the stroller. Lose and...well, you lost to a guy with a stroller.
:goodposting: and :lol: at the finish line image.

 
Bought some new runners(Mizuno wave creations)......how long/distance should it take to break these puppies in?
Running shoes never need to be broken in -- they're not boots. The only real "break in" factor is making sure you've got the lacing right.
Kind of what I figured.

I'm new to the running game. I've been very active when it comes to fitness the past couple years, only recently taking up running(stupid Annyong signed me up for my first 5K)

Running in my Merrells killed my calves, so I went out and bought something more suitable for my running skills.

Much heavier and much more ridgid, but with more stablity. Feet hurt while running this moring, but the rest of my legs/calves seem fine.

I'll give these till the end of the week

 
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First post in this thread.Just started running again about 5 weeks ago after having not run regularly for several years. I ran the Houston marathon in 2006 but let my weight go from 195 then to 242 six weeks ago. I started the Quick Weight Loss diet because I couldn't get motivated to lose weight on my own. About a week into the diet I started running to get in some sort of shape to go skiing for spring break two weeks ago. I was amazed by how much energy I had just from a week of eating healthy/taking the vitamins and supplements on the quick weight loss diet. Anyway, before skiing I got up to about 3 miles at about a 9:30/mile pace. Skiing went well and I decided last week that I wanted to run a 5K. Looking online I found one in my neighborhood for last Saturday. I decided to try to run it in 28:00. I finished in 27:55 and felt really good. My weight is down to 217 in five weeks. I plan to continue to do 5K's regularly with a goal of trying to run one at 7:00/mile pace. While I may not make that, I know 8:00/mile is definitely doable.I can definitely take some motivation from some of the running stories in here.
Ran my first 10K in Houston in about 4 years on Saturday. Goal was to run 56 minutes (9 minute mile pace). Wanted to be at least at 9:30 for the first mile. I miscalculated what pace everyone was running, and I felt really good, so I was really surprised when my first mile was 8:32. Though I did back it off a little bit, I ended up averaging 8:37 per mile and finished at 53:15. Didn't feel great at the end, but didn't feel as though I were going to die either.

Any tips on pacing? My miles times were as follows: 8:32, 8:49, 8:53, 8:41, 9:05, 7:43. That seems a bit uneven, but maybe those are normal fluctuations. Any insight would be appreciated.

 
MAC_32 5k Race Report

Showed up at the event. There were only 300 or so people there and they didn't look very fast. Wasn't going to be much of a challenge so I had my wife bust my knee with a ball peen hammer and wrapped a piece of chain around my waist and attached two 50 lb boat anchors. Right out the gate I was in the lead pack despite my knee rupturing and bleeding everywhere. Pushed the pace to pass them when the chain got tangled up in both legs. A couple of people passed me as my stride was hinder. Ended up shortening my stride to 8 inches and increasing my turnover to 500 steps per minute and caught back up to them. It was a little to late to catch the leaders by that time. Next time I'll switch from chain to rope. Still won my age group.

 
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That's actually not that bad a job pacing, djhockster. Mile 5 was slower than it should be and mile 6 in by far your best shows mile 5 should've been more like 8:40 and you likely still would've finished strong in the low 8s. Do you have a GPS watch? On advice from some in here, I got the Garmin F10 (only $130) and have been happy with it. I have it set so I can get instantaneous (about a 6-8 second delay) of my pace and every mile it chimes and tells me what the last mile time was.

 
That's actually not that bad a job pacing, djhockster. Mile 5 was slower than it should be and mile 6 in by far your best shows mile 5 should've been more like 8:40 and you likely still would've finished strong in the low 8s. Do you have a GPS watch? On advice from some in here, I got the Garmin F10 (only $130) and have been happy with it. I have it set so I can get instantaneous (about a 6-8 second delay) of my pace and every mile it chimes and tells me what the last mile time was.
I do not have a GPS watch yet. Thanks for the comment. I really did not know I was slowing down that much in mile 5. My left knee started to ache some in that mile so maybe I slowed down to compensate. By mile 6, the pain had subsided so obviously I was able to increase my pace. I will definitely look into getting a GPS watch. Thanks again.

 
First post in this thread.Just started running again about 5 weeks ago after having not run regularly for several years. I ran the Houston marathon in 2006 but let my weight go from 195 then to 242 six weeks ago. I started the Quick Weight Loss diet because I couldn't get motivated to lose weight on my own. About a week into the diet I started running to get in some sort of shape to go skiing for spring break two weeks ago. I was amazed by how much energy I had just from a week of eating healthy/taking the vitamins and supplements on the quick weight loss diet. Anyway, before skiing I got up to about 3 miles at about a 9:30/mile pace. Skiing went well and I decided last week that I wanted to run a 5K. Looking online I found one in my neighborhood for last Saturday. I decided to try to run it in 28:00. I finished in 27:55 and felt really good. My weight is down to 217 in five weeks. I plan to continue to do 5K's regularly with a goal of trying to run one at 7:00/mile pace. While I may not make that, I know 8:00/mile is definitely doable.I can definitely take some motivation from some of the running stories in here.
Ran my first 10K in Houston in about 4 years on Saturday. Goal was to run 56 minutes (9 minute mile pace). Wanted to be at least at 9:30 for the first mile. I miscalculated what pace everyone was running, and I felt really good, so I was really surprised when my first mile was 8:32. Though I did back it off a little bit, I ended up averaging 8:37 per mile and finished at 53:15. Didn't feel great at the end, but didn't feel as though I were going to die either.

Any tips on pacing? My miles times were as follows: 8:32, 8:49, 8:53, 8:41, 9:05, 7:43. That seems a bit uneven, but maybe those are normal fluctuations. Any insight would be appreciated.
Congrats on meeting your goal! The first four miles are pretty close and, of course, hills and wind can be a factor. Most people here think it's a good idea to run the first mile a little faster like you did. A GPS watch can certainly help. I also have followed other racers that seem to have a consistent pace.

 
Illinois Marathon Race report.

This was my tenth 26.2, all in the last five years. Short Version: I went for a PR and went out too fast and blew up at the end, still hangin on for my second best time.

Long Version: This was third marathon in the last five months. I had a disappointing 4:26:XX in Dallas in December on a hot day, then a decent 4:16:XX at New Orleans in February. After which I attempted to recover and squeeze in six solid weeks of training for a returnm to my home state Saturday. I had life issues that interfered with my training plans/goals, including missing a long run due to a crawfish boil we hosted for me niece's engagement party (if any of you have ever hosted a crawfish boil, you are quite well aware that a long run the next day is next to impossible). Then a week later I caught a stomach bug and had a very sub-par week of only 25 miles, again missing a long run. I rallied for three good strong weeks of 56, 65 and 60 miles, with two 20 milers and an 18. Then I tapered for two weeks and felt really good.

I drove up to Champaign-Urbana from Louisiana for my third Illinois marathon, with a strong urge to top last year's PR of 4:12:53. My training perhaps didn't justify it, but I am five pounds lighter than last year and I am running in lighter shoes, so I thought I had a chance if the weather cooperated (I am a card-carrying heat wuss). I decided if the weather looked halfway decent, I was shooting for 4:10 and hoping to PR.

I stayed with my college roommate who was running his second half marathon and we were joined by a friend of huis and another college pal. We were late and had with few dinner options, so we ended up at Buffalo Wild Wings. Knowing my belligerent bowels, I opted for a burger instead of wings, and hoped all that pasta nonsense was just a myth.

Race morning we actually arrived early and had free reign of the multitudinous port-o-johns, and I settled in for a satisfying pre-race morning constitutional. I've never been to a race where I didn't have somebody waiting in line for me to finish my business!. This turned out to be one of the day's highlights! The race start was at 48 degrees and the forecast was for cloudy skies and a high of 59. That weather is perfect for most people, but I prefer cooler.

For a 4:10, I needed to run at a 9:33 pace. For the first 18 miles, that was a breeze! I hit the 10k at 59:02 (9:34) and the half in 2:04:34 (9:31) and felt great. But between miles 18 and 19 I started to feel the first twinges of my nemesis--hamstring cramps. I did some calculations in my head and figured that if I backed off the pace to 10:00 I could still come in with a PR if I could hold it for 7.2 miles (math is easy if you run at a 10:00 mile, basically no other pace is as easy to figure when you are in the brain-addled last few miles of a marathon). I settled into the pace and hoped it would keep the cramps at bay, but coming into a water stop at 22, my right hammy started to seize up. I walked through the water stop and for about a hundred feet afterward and felt like the race might slip away from me. The course is basically flat, with a few rollers. The worst hill of the course is strategically placed at mile 24.2. It's about a .3 hill of moderate steepness that wouldn't bother anyone if it came at another point in the race. As a flatlander, it's pretty annoying to me. So I managed to run decently from 22-24 at 10:00, then made a strategic decision to walk the hill at 24.2. My previous cramping issues in races have frequently come when running uphill, and since the remaining mile and a half after it are a gentle downhill slope, I though I could regroup and run it in if I could just survive the hill.

After the walk uphill I felt refreshed and headed home at a run. The downhill felt good. As I got within sight of Memorial stadium, which is where the Fighting Illini play, I started getting some more cramps. These were not the complete seizing of the muscle kind, but more the kind that just makes you run stiff-legged. The finish line is in the stadium at the 50-yard line and I saw my college pal as I turned the last corner. He yelled some smart @sz remark about my running form, which was pretty ugly due to the cramps. I checked my watch as I got on the turf of the field and saw 4:13 click over to 4:14. Dang, just missed. Final time 4:14:16, 848th of 1821 overall, 598 of 1072 males and 79th of 138 in Men 45-49.

It's my second best time. I obviously went out too fast, but I have no regrets. The last few miles were pretty difficult, but it was a satisfying day.

I will look over the splits and evaluate the performance for the next marathon, which I am hoping is in October.

Thanks for reading and for all the good wishes sent my way.

 
dhockster - congrats on the 10K! I totally agree with koby's comments. A GPS is a great tool to have. Just make sure you get the HR monitor too. ;)

worrier - congrats on another marathon! Second best after a short turn around and sketchy training is pretty solid IMO. Just an outside observation, but do you think the two week vs three week taper had any effect on your legs failing at the end?

 
2Young2BBald said:
koby925 said:
2Young - how did Jrs 4x800 go?
If you ask him, probably a bit too good. It was a long, cold day for the kids (and for we parents too). Their bus left at 1pm and the meet began at 3pm. Temps were in the high 40s for the start but dropped in to the 30s and the meet did not end until after 9:30pm. His 4x800 was the second event of the "evening" session. They were having the kids line up about 15 minutes before each event, so staying warm was tough. There were 10 teams in the meet and they ran all ten in a single heat. He went out very cautious and hovered between 8th and last until the final turn where he blasted an incredible kick and passed the baton to the second runner in 5th place and just missed over taking 4th. Their second runner picked up 4th, the third runner held the postion and then the wheels came off for their 4th. They handed off neck and neck with a kid that could fly and our runner tried to keep up. He was gassed by the end of the first 400 and began to drop spots during the second lap, ultimately, they finished 7th. My son ran the fastest 800 of the four in 2:18. I think he had more kick and probably should have gone sooner. The reason I said too good in my son's eyes is that the coach let him know he'd likely run varsity 800s this week (they have 3 meets in 4 days due to rain outs). I'm excited to see what he can do. Their best distance runner's dad is the assistant X-Country coach (this kid was the only X-Country to qualify for states) and stands at the 200 mark and barks out splits for his son. I told my son I'd be happy to do the same if he thinks it'll help (or, I told him to ask the dad/coach to do the same for him). So, after his cool down, he comes and gets a Jimmy John's sub, chips and a big Gatoraide and proceeds to finish it all as he thinks he is done. The 4x400 is the second to llast event. About 10 minutes before the event, he rushes over to my wife and I as we have his gear and says, frantically, one of our 400 runners got hurt doing the high jump, so I am running the lead leg of the 4x400. With very little warm up, a gut full of food and drink and freezing his backside off waiting for the second he still was able to run a 57 and change lead leg (but he was miserable after and faded big time down the stretch). As for the meet in total, our school dominated the event, scoring 84 points (second was at 61). While I was miserably cold, it loved all 6 and a half hours of the event. This was an invite, so there were some very unique event including; a 4x110 hurdle shuttle relay, a cross country mile that started on the track, left and came back, a coed relay and several mixed medley events. The event wrapped with what my son called "The Fat Man" event, where they did a 4x100 relay with the discus and shot put athletes. The kids had a blast with this non-points event. Since I am typing away, thought I'd do a mini RR from Saturday. Trail 1/2 Marathon. Chilly, but nice morning, but it didn't matter as I'd won VIP tent access which turned out to be heated, with someone to wait on us and a private porta-john (NICE). I waited and warmed up in the tent until the first few waves went off and then walked out and started where I belonged. As Tri-Man knows from doing this event, people way over shoot their abilities which can lead to some big bottle necks in the beginning. This year was the worst of the 5 I've done for this. My first mile took over 12 minutes, my second took almost 14. I didn't really mind it, as I have just not trained like I should have. Moving along, I felt very good at the 6 mile mark and, suprisingly good at the 8 mile mark considering some of the hills that are in the back end of this event. I barely looked at the Garmin all day, but a review of my data shows that miles 8,9, 10 and 13 were my 4 fastest miles. I finished in 2:26, which is the third fastest of the 5 I've run (though 2 minutes slower than last year). Based on how I've trained, I'd have been happy with anything this side of 2:30. The amazing thing, is my HR data. Lowest average HR I've had for this event is 170, Saturday it was 159. Max was only 172, whereas, I've touched the 190s every year prior and even went north of 200 once. While the perfect weather was a factor, I have to think the long slow endurance swims I've been doing this year has had a major impact. What hasn't changed about this event is that I am SORE as heck. I was a bit worried about my left achilles, but after a few days of ice, it appears to be normal wear and tear. Back at the VIP after, I was able to sit and be waited on until it was time to head for home. GREAT racing all weekend guys, wish I could have joined the PR parade. I volunteered at a 5K yesterday and watching got me to thinking about if I can turn some of this endurance into speed over the next 6-weeks or so to try and get a 5K PR this year. I have another trail 1/2 in less than three weeks and then no real distance events for the rest of the year (running-wise) so I may join the summer of speed.
Man, mini 2Y has some talent! So friggin cool he's already pushing varsity on what seems to be a pretty deep team. He's running times I was running as a JR. I don't know squat about swimming, but I'm not surprised that low HR training translated to a better endurance base for you. Very cool. :thumbup:
 
dhockster said:
Ran my first 10K in Houston in about 4 years on Saturday. Goal was to run 56 minutes (9 minute mile pace). Wanted to be at least at 9:30 for the first mile. I miscalculated what pace everyone was running, and I felt really good, so I was really surprised when my first mile was 8:32. Though I did back it off a little bit, I ended up averaging 8:37 per mile and finished at 53:15. Didn't feel great at the end, but didn't feel as though I were going to die either.

Any tips on pacing? My miles times were as follows: 8:32, 8:49, 8:53, 8:41, 9:05, 7:43. That seems a bit uneven, but maybe those are normal fluctuations. Any insight would be appreciated.
The start looks awesome to me, but then again you really shouldn't listen to me on these things. Honestly you should have really hated that last mile. The fact that you didn't means that you probably didn't hit mile 4-5 hard enough.

BassNBrew said:
MAC_32 5k Race ReportShowed up at the event. There were only 300 or so people there and they didn't look very fast. Wasn't going to be much of a challenge so I had my wife bust my knee with a ball peen hammer and wrapped a piece of chain around my waist and attached two 50 lb boat anchors. Right out the gate I was in the lead pack despite my knee rupturing and bleeding everywhere. Pushed the pace to pass them when the chain got tangled up in both legs. A couple of people passed me as my stride was hinder. Ended up shortening my stride to 8 inches and increasing my turnover to 500 steps per minute and caught back up to them. It was a little to late to catch the leaders by that time. Next time I'll switch from chain to rope. Still won my age group.
Best race report in the history of, well, forever.

 
dhockster - congrats on the 10K! I totally agree with koby's comments. A GPS is a great tool to have. Just make sure you get the HR monitor too. ;)worrier - congrats on another marathon! Second best after a short turn around and sketchy training is pretty solid IMO. Just an outside observation, but do you think the two week vs three week taper had any effect on your legs failing at the end?
I don't think the taper had much to do with it, although I guess it is possible. I have done two four-week tapers, six three-week tapers and two two-week tapers for my ten marathons. I can't find any evidence fom my personal performances that taper length really means that much. I tapered for two weeks before my last race and finished strong (but I was more conservative early). I think I went out just a bit too fast for my training.
 
Need some advice from the Experts...sorry if this is a bit long.

I'm still very much a beginner with little/no running experience or talent. I think I may have run a time or 2 on our high school cross country team, but only because our basketball coach made me. Ran my first 5K just over 2 years ago at age 33. I've been running since then, but without much consistency. I've been at it since December pretty solid though, upping my mileage from 25 miles in January to around 20 miles per week now. My focus these last 4 months has been on running longer without worrying much at all about time. Ran a 10-miler for the first time a couple of weeks ago.

So now I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to continue. Keep doing what I'm doing? Basically a couple of 3-4 mile runs at a pace that puts my average HR in the 150-160 range and a 2-mile recovery thrown in every now and then, with a long slow run on the weekend. I'm definitely seeing some pretty good progress like this (ran 4 miles today a full minute faster than last week but with a -6 average heart rate), but I'm wondering if it's time to start mixing things up a bit.

At the beginning of the year, I set the following goals: 1) 500 miles for the year (barring injury will make this one pretty easy) 2) break 26 minutes in a 5k (ran 26:58 last weekend). 3) run a 10k in an hour (I think I could do this right now, so may need to adjust). 4) finish a half (could probably do this right now, might need to add a time goal to this). The only 10k I'm planning on running right now is on July 4 and I'm probably running a half on October 12.

So questions...With target races early July and October, when/how should I start training specifically for the races? Should I start to add tempo runs or hills or things like that to my current training? If so, how frequent and what pace? I guess what I'm asking is are there any good iCoaches out there????

 
BassNBrew said:
MAC_32 5k Race ReportShowed up at the event. There were only 300 or so people there and they didn't look very fast. Wasn't going to be much of a challenge so I had my wife bust my knee with a ball peen hammer and wrapped a piece of chain around my waist and attached two 50 lb boat anchors. Right out the gate I was in the lead pack despite my knee rupturing and bleeding everywhere. Pushed the pace to pass them when the chain got tangled up in both legs. A couple of people passed me as my stride was hinder. Ended up shortening my stride to 8 inches and increasing my turnover to 500 steps per minute and caught back up to them. It was a little to late to catch the leaders by that time. Next time I'll switch from chain to rope. Still won my age group.
:lmao:
 
Juxtatarot said:
Nice race, Mac! I don't think I've ever seen someone race with a stroller. I think they're usually against the rules out here.
Hey now, I've been chic'd by a guy with a stroller before
 
So now I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to continue. Keep doing what I'm doing? Basically a couple of 3-4 mile runs at a pace that puts my average HR in the 150-160 range and a 2-mile recovery thrown in every now and then, with a long slow run on the weekend. I'm definitely seeing some pretty good progress like this (ran 4 miles today a full minute faster than last week but with a -6 average heart rate), but I'm wondering if it's time to start mixing things up a bit.

At the beginning of the year, I set the following goals: 1) 500 miles for the year (barring injury will make this one pretty easy) 2) break 26 minutes in a 5k (ran 26:58 last weekend). 3) run a 10k in an hour (I think I could do this right now, so may need to adjust). 4) finish a half (could probably do this right now, might need to add a time goal to this). The only 10k I'm planning on running right now is on July 4 and I'm probably running a half on October 12.

So questions...With target races early July and October, when/how should I start training specifically for the races? Should I start to add tempo runs or hills or things like that to my current training? If so, how frequent and what pace? I guess what I'm asking is are there any good iCoaches out there????
BTW, those targets are completely unrealistic. 500 miles is in the bag. The 5k will likely fall next time around. The 10k is a gimme, as is finishing a HM.

Where to from here? Pick out something fun to aim for. Up the mileage a bit, throw in some tempo work, and kick some ###.

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On my end, finally got back to it after a gimpy calf on Friday and being sick over the weekend. 5 miles today at 8:30s just to get back into things - calf was a champ. Finished up tonight with a nice pool swim - 1:04 100, 2:26, 200, and a 6:34 500 in the mix. The 500 is pretty good considering my complete lack of swim fitness. Onward and upward.

 
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Prince- Why not race a 10K and/or a half this spring? As you say, you're ready now. You've now put in several months of good training so it would be a good time to reap the rewards and see where you're at time-wise. Afterwards, set a new goal from there and try something different like speed work or highly weekly mileage to achieve it.

 
Need some advice from the Experts...sorry if this is a bit long.

I'm still very much a beginner with little/no running experience or talent. I think I may have run a time or 2 on our high school cross country team, but only because our basketball coach made me. Ran my first 5K just over 2 years ago at age 33. I've been running since then, but without much consistency. I've been at it since December pretty solid though, upping my mileage from 25 miles in January to around 20 miles per week now. My focus these last 4 months has been on running longer without worrying much at all about time. Ran a 10-miler for the first time a couple of weeks ago.

So now I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to continue. Keep doing what I'm doing? Basically a couple of 3-4 mile runs at a pace that puts my average HR in the 150-160 range and a 2-mile recovery thrown in every now and then, with a long slow run on the weekend. I'm definitely seeing some pretty good progress like this (ran 4 miles today a full minute faster than last week but with a -6 average heart rate), but I'm wondering if it's time to start mixing things up a bit.

At the beginning of the year, I set the following goals: 1) 500 miles for the year (barring injury will make this one pretty easy) 2) break 26 minutes in a 5k (ran 26:58 last weekend). 3) run a 10k in an hour (I think I could do this right now, so may need to adjust). 4) finish a half (could probably do this right now, might need to add a time goal to this). The only 10k I'm planning on running right now is on July 4 and I'm probably running a half on October 12.

So questions...With target races early July and October, when/how should I start training specifically for the races? Should I start to add tempo runs or hills or things like that to my current training? If so, how frequent and what pace? I guess what I'm asking is are there any good iCoaches out there????
You'll get lots of training specific advice, but for something different, I'd race more. There is a theory around racing your way into race shape. Your training routine and targets seem perfect for this. Admittedly, I am a race addict and probably over do it a bit. I race around 12 to 15 events a year (usually without races in Jan/Feb). It keeps me honest in terms of training. I also was not a big fan of sticking to a long term training plan. Instead, I train for what's next. The other thing I'd recommend in starting a training log. As you progress though this addiction, it valuable to be able to go back and see what you were doing and when.

 
BassNBrew said:
MAC_32 5k Race ReportShowed up at the event. There were only 300 or so people there and they didn't look very fast. Wasn't going to be much of a challenge so I had my wife bust my knee with a ball peen hammer and wrapped a piece of chain around my waist and attached two 50 lb boat anchors. Right out the gate I was in the lead pack despite my knee rupturing and bleeding everywhere. Pushed the pace to pass them when the chain got tangled up in both legs. A couple of people passed me as my stride was hinder. Ended up shortening my stride to 8 inches and increasing my turnover to 500 steps per minute and caught back up to them. It was a little to late to catch the leaders by that time. Next time I'll switch from chain to rope. Still won my age group.
:lmao:
:goodposting:

 
Need some advice from the Experts...sorry if this is a bit long.

I'm still very much a beginner with little/no running experience or talent. I think I may have run a time or 2 on our high school cross country team, but only because our basketball coach made me. Ran my first 5K just over 2 years ago at age 33. I've been running since then, but without much consistency. I've been at it since December pretty solid though, upping my mileage from 25 miles in January to around 20 miles per week now. My focus these last 4 months has been on running longer without worrying much at all about time. Ran a 10-miler for the first time a couple of weeks ago.

So now I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to continue. Keep doing what I'm doing? Basically a couple of 3-4 mile runs at a pace that puts my average HR in the 150-160 range and a 2-mile recovery thrown in every now and then, with a long slow run on the weekend. I'm definitely seeing some pretty good progress like this (ran 4 miles today a full minute faster than last week but with a -6 average heart rate), but I'm wondering if it's time to start mixing things up a bit.

At the beginning of the year, I set the following goals: 1) 500 miles for the year (barring injury will make this one pretty easy) 2) break 26 minutes in a 5k (ran 26:58 last weekend). 3) run a 10k in an hour (I think I could do this right now, so may need to adjust). 4) finish a half (could probably do this right now, might need to add a time goal to this). The only 10k I'm planning on running right now is on July 4 and I'm probably running a half on October 12.

So questions...With target races early July and October, when/how should I start training specifically for the races? Should I start to add tempo runs or hills or things like that to my current training? If so, how frequent and what pace? I guess what I'm asking is are there any good iCoaches out there????
Congratulations on the progress you've made so far. I agree with the others that your goals are too low. For example, if you can run 10 miles in training, you will absolutely be able to run 13.1 on race day with a bunch of other runners on the course with you. It sounds like you already know that and are re-evaluating. Don't be afraid to pick one or two stretch goals.

For general running advice or ways to mix up your training, it's time for you to buy a copy of Advanced Marathoning by Pfitzinger. I know you're not planning on a marathon, but this book provides an excellent explanation of various types of running workouts, what paces they should be done at, and what they're intended to accomplish. In many respects, this book is just mistitled because most of the material in it is applicable to anybody who runs anything longer than 5Ks.

 
Need some advice from the Experts...sorry if this is a bit long.

I'm still very much a beginner with little/no running experience or talent. I think I may have run a time or 2 on our high school cross country team, but only because our basketball coach made me. Ran my first 5K just over 2 years ago at age 33. I've been running since then, but without much consistency. I've been at it since December pretty solid though, upping my mileage from 25 miles in January to around 20 miles per week now. My focus these last 4 months has been on running longer without worrying much at all about time. Ran a 10-miler for the first time a couple of weeks ago.

So now I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to continue. Keep doing what I'm doing? Basically a couple of 3-4 mile runs at a pace that puts my average HR in the 150-160 range and a 2-mile recovery thrown in every now and then, with a long slow run on the weekend. I'm definitely seeing some pretty good progress like this (ran 4 miles today a full minute faster than last week but with a -6 average heart rate), but I'm wondering if it's time to start mixing things up a bit.

At the beginning of the year, I set the following goals: 1) 500 miles for the year (barring injury will make this one pretty easy) 2) break 26 minutes in a 5k (ran 26:58 last weekend). 3) run a 10k in an hour (I think I could do this right now, so may need to adjust). 4) finish a half (could probably do this right now, might need to add a time goal to this). The only 10k I'm planning on running right now is on July 4 and I'm probably running a half on October 12.

So questions...With target races early July and October, when/how should I start training specifically for the races? Should I start to add tempo runs or hills or things like that to my current training? If so, how frequent and what pace? I guess what I'm asking is are there any good iCoaches out there????
Congratulations on the progress you've made so far. I agree with the others that your goals are too low. For example, if you can run 10 miles in training, you will absolutely be able to run 13.1 on race day with a bunch of other runners on the course with you. It sounds like you already know that and are re-evaluating. Don't be afraid to pick one or two stretch goals.

For general running advice or ways to mix up your training, it's time for you to buy a copy of Advanced Marathoning by Pfitzinger. I know you're not planning on a marathon, but this book provides an excellent explanation of various types of running workouts, what paces they should be done at, and what they're intended to accomplish. In many respects, this book is just mistitled because most of the material in it is applicable to anybody who runs anything longer than 5Ks.
:goodposting:

I'll 2nd 2Y's suggestion of a running log/journal. I've kept one since the day I got back into this and it has been invaluable. It also helps to keep you grounded when you look back and see where you've come from.

 
I definitely believe in the racing your way into racing shape comment. Some people due to time constraints and logistics just race for their speed/tempo. Friend/teammate of mine who has been pretty consistent running 30-50 miles a week over the years does this. I asked him when I got back into it if he does speedwork and he said no his races are his speedwork and he just runs 7-10 mile runs most days. As a former teammate that knows this guy's style, I'm sure that some of his runs turn into tempo runs even if he isn't calling them that or planning them to be such. He has a tendency to cruise, especially at the end of runs. But he has done pretty well for himself with this strategy. Still runs in the low 16s for 5k and ran a 1:15 Half this past year at 39.

 
koby925 said:
I definitely believe in the racing your way into racing shape comment. Some people due to time constraints and logistics just race for their speed/tempo. Friend/teammate of mine who has been pretty consistent running 30-50 miles a week over the years does this. I asked him when I got back into it if he does speedwork and he said no his races are his speedwork and he just runs 7-10 mile runs most days. As a former teammate that knows this guy's style, I'm sure that some of his runs turn into tempo runs even if he isn't calling them that or planning them to be such. He has a tendency to cruise, especially at the end of runs. But he has done pretty well for himself with this strategy. Still runs in the low 16s for 5k and ran a 1:15 Half this past year at 39.
What a slow poke.

 
I've been working on plans for the 2013 Summer Of Speed and figured I'd throw it out there to get the conversations/ideas going... I am already chomping at the bit to get started. It's a shame I'm still walking funny from Saturday's race.

Its going to be an active summer... I've got our Family marathon relay in 12 days. My brother bailed on us, so I'm running the first and fourth legs with my wife and sister running legs 2 and 3 (6.55 each). All focus right now is on recovery. I may do 1 MLR between now and then, but other than that it's a bunch of rest and short easy runs. I'm way more sore than I was last year.

After that, it's officially on. I have 9 weeks to focus on more speed work before switching back to marathon mode in mid July. That's a solid chunk of time. The main focus is to get my 5K time <20:00 with a stretch goal of <19:30. I'm fairly confident I can get very close to breaking 20 right now, but I question just how much top-end speed I have after nearly 3 years of endurance work.

The basic structure I'm shooting for is running 6 days/week with 1 of either hills or 400/800 intervals, a Pfitz style LT run, 2 recovery runs, and 2 MLR runs. Weekly volume will average around 40 mpw, with a peak week of 50. I'm sure this will get tweaked a dozen times between now and then.

I've got 3 5Ks earmarked. 1 for 5/18 as a baseline race to see where I'm at before fully diving into the training. Then another 5K on 6/8 to check my progress. Then a final 5K on 6/30 while we're at the beach house.

Should be fun....

 

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