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Amen to that, brother. Had a late appointment up in Furley's neck of the woods, so I didn't get out until after 8:30 tonight. It was cool (around 30°), but there wasn't really any wind, so it felt good. Did six miles at an average pace of 8:00, but I busted out the last one in 7:30. Up early tomorrow to do another four miles, then off to work for a couple of hours before my LASIK at 12:30. Wish me luck!mr. furley said:
Holy Toledo. Great first post on this page.tri-man 47 said:
Muscle weighs more than fat, at least that is what I am telling myself until I shed the winter weight. Amazing, is the fact that beer and fatty food helped me gain muscle.
Interested in your thoughts on this. I bought a Trek ACH Incite last week and it didn't work out of the box. Bike shop said it was the fourth one they've had returned. In theory it did heart rate, altimeter, and cadence for $99.
. The therapy involved her trying to train my muscles (or lack there of) to be "loosey-goosey" (her words). I'm a believer in the benefits of massage, but found zero benefit from what I received. = Thanks for nothing!!!
Not that there's anything wrong with being butt-butter bodiesHoly Toledo. Great first post on this page.tri-man 47 said:
Entering "butt butter" into a youtube search results in an image that scares me a bit about our adventure 
Read the damned thread!!!OK, I give in. What is ARTART today, and measured for a new set of orthotics.Need to start eating for race day tho. Been kinda spacing it off the last few days. Hmm, what's in the fridge at home? lol
ART = Active Release Technique. It's essentially a deep-tissue massage, designed to break up scar tissue and get things working again. I thought my Doc had a little more info on it on his website, but you can Google it if you like.
Sounds like you should slow your pace a bit for the out of breath part. Sore legs might mean you are not warming up enough, As for the numbness in the feet, could it be your shoes coupled with toe running instead of rolling your feet? Waht are the other runners on your relay crew like? If you can, run with a few of them and have the assess you running style, pace, etc. It will get better with time, sounds like you just need to build up distance slowly. I have never had numb feet except for when I have tried the eliptical. The jambing motion of my feet ( I think, lead to the numbness).The Juggernaut said:
This has to make you very happy to get your wife involved. I love the fact that my wife and now the kids are in this together. In fact, my Mom is now in the mix training to walk a 1/2 marathon later this year (at age 64). Something I learned is that it is not fun for my wife to run with her in races, period. She gets this frustration thing and turns me loose so she can run alone. I'd like to run the 1/2 we are doing in Indy in May together, but I doubt she'll let that happen. I have found its fun to watch her cross the finish line instead. Now, do you have someone else lined up to get us race chick photos (didn;t get to express my apreciation for the last ones)?
I am very happy that she is taking an interest. Hopefully it will mean we can both grow to be very old together. If I had more vacation time I would join you in Indy in May. I grew up just up the I65 in Lafayette, Indiana. I will not be running this 5K with her, but I will be cheering her on when she gets close to the finish. Also I will be taking pictures so race chick photos are a given. In February I am doing a 10K and then the companion 5K with her. The 5K almost immediately follows the 10K.
TJ - It's OK to having some walking mixed in, in fact, Jeff Galloway's training recommends it. And it should improve soon. The numbness might be with the shoes ...maybe tied too tight, maybe laced in a way that they cut across the top of your feet in an inconvenient way, maybe too small of a shoe. The lower leg issue might just be the 'weak link' in your muscular system as you start up your training program, so that's where you're feeling it. An ongoing gag here is my recommendation of lunges to develop the legs, but some leg work might be helpful to supplement the running - some strength work as well as some flexibility work. While watching TV, consciously 'work' the feet and legs - maybe drop down on the floor and stretch 'em out in various ways or stand up and do some leg lifts or leg swings. You could also stand on the edge of a step and lift yourself up and down to stretch out the shins and calves.
I agree with this. I second that running with your wife may not be a good idea. It gets frustrating to not run at your own pace and it makes her frustrated to think she is holding you back. If it is her first race, it may not be enjoyable to feel that you are there pushing her. At least that is what I hear.
I'm still stunned at the amount of climbing you do with a decidedly non-climbing build.
Thanks. I am thinking that I will give it a couple of weeks and go with the understanding that I may not have the best outcomes for the first few weeks, but making it a habit should make it easier. With a 4yo and almost 2yo at home with a third on the way this Spring I think the early morning run may be the only way to assure myself the time to get my run it.While I wait for the runs to get easier I can always make up some distance a few nights a week. I wanted to run 4 miles today, but only got 2 in this morning. I will just have to go back to the gym tonight and finish my last 2 miles then. Not the worst thing in the world. For as sluggish as I was this morning trying to run I sure to feel good now for having ran this morning. That may be the motivation I need.
I used to try and eat a little something before running (bagel, oatmeal, etc), but I guess I got lazy and decided it was just better to go run and get it over with. If I eat enough the night before, hunger-pangs shouldn't be a problem. I'm usually out running in the time it takes to get dressed, make some Gatorade for afterwards (I buy the huge cans of powder and mix it up myself), and stretch. Maybe it does take some getting used to, as I've been slacking off in this respect lately. In order to get my kids up and to school in the morning, I'd have to get up super-early in order to run and shower in time. I'm not that big of a fan of running in the dark (go figger, I'm more likely to run at night), so that's another strike against it. However, once summer kicks in, a morning run (which by that time of year, the sun rises earlier) is preferable to a 100degree evening run.meeka said:
hmmm. gatorade afterwards? What's the purpose of that? In fact I'm throwing aI used to try and eat a little something before running (bagel, oatmeal, etc), but I guess I got lazy and decided it was just better to go run and get it over with. If I eat enough the night before, hunger-pangs shouldn't be a problem. I'm usually out running in the time it takes to get dressed, make some Gatorade for afterwards (I buy the huge cans of powder and mix it up myself), and stretch. Maybe it does take some getting used to, as I've been slacking off in this respect lately. In order to get my kids up and to school in the morning, I'd have to get up super-early in order to run and shower in time. I'm not that big of a fan of running in the dark (go figger, I'm more likely to run at night), so that's another strike against it. However, once summer kicks in, a morning run (which by that time of year, the sun rises earlier) is preferable to a 100degree evening run.meeka said:
on that. The answer to this question depends on whether you are attempting to stay weight neutral, gain, or lose weight. And if you do more than 45 min of cardio. In any situation a sports drink shouldn't be the cornerstone of a recovery beverage.
Thanks for the answers TM47. I have done weight training (off and on) for years, and I admit that I neglect my lower legs for the most part. I bet you're right with the 'weak link' comment. I'll pay more attention to calves/etc. with the weights.
For one it's empty calories. Packed with HFCS and 0 protein at all. The minimal electrolyte content of it is pointless as the workout is over and you'll replenish those with meals throughout the day anyways. All you are doing is adding pointless calories when what you needed was simple H20.The single best recovery beverage for those looking to stay weight neutral or slightly + is Chocolate Milk. You heard me. Provides the protein and other good stuff that build muscles and aids recovery. The Chocolate helps too in many ways. Add a scoop of whey to it and you are set. This for a very comparable calorie content to gatorade. If you are a cheapass then add some whey to water. Much more affordable.
It has some use for cardio activities lasting longer than 45 minutes. Other than that I can see no reason to use it. Much better to just eat a
and drink a quart of water.
My longest run ever is a half-marathon and all I've ever had during training runs and races is water.I'm going to take a stab at a 26.2 this fall. Once I get into the longer runs and the actual marathon would I be better off drinking a gatorade type beverage or stick with water and use those goos and gels?It has some use for cardio activities lasting longer than 45 minutes. Other than that I can see no reason to use it. Much better to just eat aand drink a quart of water.
I like to use both water and Gatorade during my long runs (1.5 hours +), and only use water on shorter runs. I typically try to drink at least 8 oz. of water/Gatorade every 4 miles, and take a goo/gel every 45 minutes. For runs shorter than 1:15, I don't use gels/goos at all.My longest run ever is a half-marathon and all I've ever had during training runs and races is water.I'm going to take a stab at a 26.2 this fall. Once I get into the longer runs and the actual marathon would I be better off drinking a gatorade type beverage or stick with water and use those goos and gels?It has some use for cardio activities lasting longer than 45 minutes. Other than that I can see no reason to use it. Much better to just eat a
Remember, there's before, during, and after. I was mainly referring to after. The "during" is a different story. I do think to some extent that runners take their "during" nutrition a bit too seriously for non marathon events, but that's a different story.My longest run ever is a half-marathon and all I've ever had during training runs and races is water.I'm going to take a stab at a 26.2 this fall. Once I get into the longer runs and the actual marathon would I be better off drinking a gatorade type beverage or stick with water and use those goos and gels?It has some use for cardio activities lasting longer than 45 minutes. Other than that I can see no reason to use it. Much better to just eat a
I have a quart sitting on my desk right now. One every day for the past couple weeks. Yet I still manage to maintain my sexy figure. 
yes, the powder is hfcs free.Well, I do drink some of the Gatorade before, and on those occasions where I ran two loops past my house. But I just find Gatorade afterwards to be refreshing.
And I think you're joshing about it having HFCSyrup. I make it from a powder!!
How about for the marathon itself. Is gatorading/gooing that big of a deal? Personally, I'm not a big fan of gatorade type drinks as I find them too sweet. I've never tried goo but my neighbor swears by it. Is water enough to get you through the race as long as you've eaten enough leading up to the race?Remember, there's before, during, and after. I was mainly referring to after. The "during" is a different story. I do think to some extent that runners take their "during" nutrition a bit too seriously for non marathon events, but that's a different story.My longest run ever is a half-marathon and all I've ever had during training runs and races is water.I'm going to take a stab at a 26.2 this fall. Once I get into the longer runs and the actual marathon would I be better off drinking a gatorade type beverage or stick with water and use those goos and gels?It has some use for cardio activities lasting longer than 45 minutes. Other than that I can see no reason to use it. Much better to just eat a
Probably want to ask that question to the experienced marathon guys. I've done cycling events of longer than 6 hours and on back to back days. The longest running events I ever did were 15ks. For my long events/rides (>1.5hours) I will shoot a gu every 45-60 minutes and carry water and accellerade with me. However, runners don't come with built in fluid holders so it's more complex for you. It's also much more difficult to drink while running rather than riding along at a nice smooth pace.How about for the marathon itself. Is gatorading/gooing that big of a deal? Personally, I'm not a big fan of gatorade type drinks as I find them too sweet. I've never tried goo but my neighbor swears by it. Is water enough to get you through the race as long as you've eaten enough leading up to the race?Remember, there's before, during, and after. I was mainly referring to after. The "during" is a different story. I do think to some extent that runners take their "during" nutrition a bit too seriously for non marathon events, but that's a different story.My longest run ever is a half-marathon and all I've ever had during training runs and races is water.I'm going to take a stab at a 26.2 this fall. Once I get into the longer runs and the actual marathon would I be better off drinking a gatorade type beverage or stick with water and use those goos and gels?It has some use for cardio activities lasting longer than 45 minutes. Other than that I can see no reason to use it. Much better to just eat aand drink a quart of water.
Wonderful news!!! Welcome to the club.Happy to report that my LASIK went flawlessly. Went back this morning for my post-op exam, and I was already 20/20 from far away and 20/15 up close. I took the day off work, so I went out for a 5-mile run this afternoon at a brisk 7:35 average pace. I would HIGHLY recommend this to anyone considering it.
For endurance events (let's call it: over 90 minutes, but certainly for two hours or more), the recommendation is to absorb about 250-300 calories/hour. That's most easily done with goos and gels, though I've also used PowerBars and bananas (much more easily while biking than running). The Gatorade is good during training for the stuff that's in it, but I find that I get more sustenance from Accelerade, which I recommend for long work-outs.How about for the marathon itself. Is gatorading/gooing that big of a deal? Personally, I'm not a big fan of gatorade type drinks as I find them too sweet. I've never tried goo but my neighbor swears by it. Is water enough to get you through the race as long as you've eaten enough leading up to the race?Remember, there's before, during, and after. I was mainly referring to after. The "during" is a different story. I do think to some extent that runners take their "during" nutrition a bit too seriously for non marathon events, but that's a different story.My longest run ever is a half-marathon and all I've ever had during training runs and races is water.I'm going to take a stab at a 26.2 this fall. Once I get into the longer runs and the actual marathon would I be better off drinking a gatorade type beverage or stick with water and use those goos and gels?It has some use for cardio activities lasting longer than 45 minutes. Other than that I can see no reason to use it. Much better to just eat a
Accelerade = Gatorade + protein, no?BTW, if anyone is planning to go into the hospital for whatever, and it's likely you'll have to donate a stool sample, drink a lot of blue/purple Gatorade/Accelerade for a couple days prior. The blue dye turns your poop green.
Or, if you want to freak out/dazzle your kids, have 'em drink it for a few days. lol
What about those of us on the man's scale? My first event of the year is tomorrow and a metric century. I expect to burn about 800-1000 calories per hour and want to carry all my nutrition so I don't have to stop. I'm not very efficient at burning fat in zone 2/3. How many calories per hour would you budget.
I'd still stick with the 300/hr. You risk yakking over-ingesting. Eat right before and you are carrying extra weight too right?
I've generally read in a number of articles that 250-300 calories/hr is about as good as our systems can utilize ...individual results may vary, so if you can handle 350-400, go for it. The rub, with endurance events, is that we DO burn more than we can replenish. The good news is that we have near-infinite supplies of fat cells to burn; the bad news is that if we go anaerobic, the system switches away from the fat and starts breaking down muscle (hence the bonk, ultimately).Hope your event goes well! Let us know. (BTW, don't recall that you were around when I mentioned that I added a Blackburn mag trainer, so I'm getting a lot of hours in now during the winter season.)
