Ran a 10k in June (21 Viewers)

[Workhorse]

I have to admit, I didn't miss the tunes that much today.

Put up a 1:53:50 - And I started mid-pack. My best guess is that I ran closer to a 1:50 pace, or possibly better since the crowd clog really slowed down my first mile (11 minutes!!!).

I'm really psyched with my performance today. Felt great and finished very strong.

 

[2Young2BBald]

I have to admit, I didn't miss the tunes that much today.Put up a 1:53:50 - And I started mid-pack. My best guess is that I ran closer to a 1:50 pace, or possibly better since the crowd clog really slowed down my first mile (11 minutes!!!).I'm really psyched with my performance today. Felt great and finished very strong.

Way to give the :finger: to 2:00:00. Excellent time, congratulations

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Preliminary Fall50 report:

We are the chapians of the word!!!

Everyone came through healthy, and ran their expected paces. Tri-man figured on a 6:30 total time, and we just about hit it, coming in at 6:32.

You know that cheerleader you lusted after in high school? That was this course -- very beautiful, but quite a biznitch at times!! The fall leaves were gorgeous, against a backdrop of the bay and Lake Michigan. The early legs had some major hills, but we pushed through. Perfect running temps, tho the wind was a bear where the course was near the water, and it was usually in our faces.

If you don't like running in crowds, this was the race for you. After the start, the runners spread out, and also there wasn't much of an audience along the way (mainly team members not running and other support members/family).

It was a fun scenic course, and if you're in the neighborhood, come on out and join us next year.

Edit to correct the spelling of our new logo. lol

 

[SFBayDuck]

Congrats to the Fall50 crew, sounds like a great time.

Haven't been around at all lately, hadn't even visited the FFA in weeks until this weekend, the new job has a way of keeping me a lot busier than my old one did. Bad news is that I slacked a bit in terms of my running, as well, and even ended up having to blow off a 12K back at the beginning of the month that I had signed up for. Good news is that the last couple weeks I've started to get back into my routine a bit, with trail runs of 8, 10, and 10 miles the last three Sundays, and at least 2 other runs squeezed in during the week. Ran the same 10 miler this week as last, in a couple minutes less time, and at a significanlty lower average heart rate, so progress is being made again.

 

[tri-man 47]

I'm hoping for detailed reports that include nothing to do with the race (i.e., group lunges, gatorade inventions, etc.).

Picture forthcoming, just for you, liquors!As RoarinS said, it was quite a course and quite an experience. We basically all hit our marks to finish around 6:30ish for the 50 miles. But it's tough to do about a half-marathon each in split segments, keeping loose and hydrated while moving in and out from a warm vehicle to cold, windy conditions. Props to the Sonoran clan for providing the support vehicle (I'm convinced that Mrs. S drove a NY taxi in a prior life) and the cheerleading team of three daughters (one who marked up the van windows, forgetting an "m" in calling us "chaps"). Thanks to gruecd for pulling this together.

The start was great - isolated out at the very tip of the peninsula with the sun rising and winds blowing as one of the relay teams harmonized a stirring national anthem. We were in the final wave, and our projected time put us at the slow end of that wave. Midway through we starting catching runners from earlier waves, but early on, with not much happening, our 'gruecd challenge' became to stay with a female team of runners he knew from his hometown. We battled back and forth from legs three to seven, but they ended up several minutes in front of us (and second female team overall).

After the race were more pics, then the party tent with beer and pizza. Our other runner, Tim (and running wife Jodi, who closed pre-race emails with "Word") had to leave early for a wedding, so the three FBGs and support crew hung out for a bit. This old man missed his Saturday afternoon nap, so mrs-tri and I left after the awards. Gruecd seemed to know half the runners, so we left to create his own trouble.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

This old man missed his Saturday afternoon nap, so mrs-tri and I left after the awards. Gruecd seemed to know half the runners, so we left to create his own trouble.

Last I saw him, he was making a move on one of the chick teams (might have been the aforementioned team we were "racing"). I, on the other hand, had a nice chat with one of the other chick teams....in the jacuzzi at our hotel. Just got in the door, after another 6hr drive across Wisconsin. Drove through some "snain" (is that what y'all call "snow mixed with rain"? ) about halfway across. We had lunch in...where else?....Marathon City.

 

[2Young2BBald]

Congrats to the Fall 50 Crew, it sounds like it was a blast & I am jealous as hell!!! Can't wait for the photos.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Congrats to the Fall 50 Crew, it sounds like it was a blast & I am jealous as hell!!! Can't wait for the photos.

Congrats team FBG's!!! We need to see if we can get a Black Eyed Joe sponsor next year!!

 

[Workhorse]

Decided that I'm going to take the plunge and run my first full Marathon in Fall 09.

Any suggestions? Chicago? Take a shot at the NYC Lottery?

 

[tri-man 47]

Decided that I'm going to take the plunge and run my first full Marathon in Fall 09.Any suggestions? Chicago? Take a shot at the NYC Lottery?

Personally, I'd shy away from the big ones. They're more 'events' than races/runs (e.g., the 30-40 minutes it takes to get everyone started, and the curb-to-curb crowd of runners through much of the race). Think about the timing of your training, what conditions you like to run in, and then see if there's anything close to you that fits. That might put you in an August race, or possibly one as late as Nov/Dec (possibly further south). I enjoyed Des Moines last October; gruecd is doing Memphis this November, as a couple other midwest options.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Decided that I'm going to take the plunge and run my first full Marathon in Fall 09.

Any suggestions? Chicago? Take a shot at the NYC Lottery?

Here are a few in the order they take place as per this link:New York

San Antonio

Philadelphia

Atlanta

Honolulu

edited to add, This link is better!

= Twin Cities, Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, Marine Corps

 

[Workhorse]

Well, I want my first one to be an "event" race for the most part since I'm not sure if I'd do another one after that. Looking for a relatively flat, fast course with cool temps (in the 50s at start time)...

Leaning towards Chicago for that very reason. But I'm kind of intrigued by the San Diego Rock and Roll Marathon next May. I just don't know if I want to do one that soon.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Well, I want my first one to be an "event" race for the most part since I'm not sure if I'd do another one after that. Looking for a relatively flat, fast course with cool temps (in the 50s at start time)...Leaning towards Chicago for that very reason. But I'm kind of intrigued by the San Diego Rock and Roll Marathon next May. I just don't know if I want to do one that soon.

If you can wait until January, I HIGHLY recommend Houston = very flat, cool weather and an event. I disagree with Tri-Man, as I prefer "events" to smaller venues. Having large crowds while running is just awesome. With chip timing, I don't care if it takes me ten minutes to get to the start line, and usually "events" have pretty spectacular starts. Between the fireworks, flyover and excitement at the start of Austin's marathon last year, my HR was close to max in the first .5 miles (it quickly came down, and was certainly worth it!).

 

[gruecd]

Personally, I'd shy away from the big ones. They're more 'events' than races/runs (e.g., the 30-40 minutes it takes to get everyone started, and the curb-to-curb crowd of runners through much of the race). Think about the timing of your training, what conditions you like to run in, and then see if there's anything close to you that fits. That might put you in an August race, or possibly one as late as Nov/Dec (possibly further south). I enjoyed Des Moines last October; gruecd is doing Memphis this November December, as a couple other midwest options.

I'd tend to agree with tri-man. Chicago fits the bill for flat and fast, but the weather is anything but predictable. In fact, temps have been in the 80s each of the past two years. I guess it just depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If you care about your time, then I'd stick with something smaller. I love running the Green Bay Marathon in May; it's a flat, fast course, the weather is nice and cool, and you get to finish with a lap in Lambeau Field. If you don't care so much about your time, and you're just running to say that you've done a marathon, then maybe something like New York would be a better fit. Just my two cents, but you might want to consider Twin Cities as a happy medium. It's a big enough event (almost 8,000 finishers this year) where there's still plenty of fan support, and yet it's small enough that it's not crowded. It's an October race, so the weather is typically cooperative, and the course is beautiful.

 

[Workhorse]

Thanks for the tips, folks.

I'm certainly trying to balance a fun "event" race with one that I can put up a sub 4 HR time. Houston, Twin-Cities and Chicago are on the short list right now. The NYC Marathon just seems like such a zoo - Not sure if I'm up for that one.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Workhorse can run the Fall50 with us...leg 2 perhaps?

 

[gruecd]

A couple of nice runs for me post-Fall 50. Scheduled rest day (SRD) on Sunday, and then I did an easy 5.64 miles at 8-minute pace on the treadmill yesterday afternoon. Went out tonight in the 30-degree weather and did eight miles. Was supposed to run 8-minute pace again, but I felt strong, and I ended up averaging 7:36 (1:00:47 total time). Another SRD tomorrow, then a tough hour-long interval run on Thursday including 30 minutes at 6:50 pace. Only 39 days 'til Memphis!

 

[pigskinliquors]

A couple of nice runs for me post-Fall 50. Scheduled rest day (SRD) on Sunday, and then I did an easy 5.64 miles at 8-minute pace on the treadmill yesterday afternoon. Went out tonight in the 30-degree weather and did eight miles. Was supposed to run 8-minute pace again, but I felt strong, and I ended up averaging 7:36 (1:00:47 total time). Another SRD tomorrow, then a tough hour-long interval run on Thursday including 30 minutes at 6:50 pace. Only 39 days 'til Memphis!

Great to hear that you are progressing well! Be careful falling into the "my legs feel great, I'll just run this run quick" trap. Virtually every injury I've had (approx. 6, with all in the past 4 years) has occurred due to feeling too good, and going faster than I should. I still have days where I'm stoopid as well, but have gotten better at making most runs at my goal pace (most is the key word there!). We still haven't heard many details, or seen any pic's from the Fall50... __________________My update:I'm enjoying extraordinarily cool temp's (39 degrees at 5am today ), and have added cross-training to my routine. I've added a spin class on Tuesdays (today!) and a long ride on Thursdays to my Sun (long run), Wed. (slow, medium run), Friday (speed work) running schedule. My legs still feel great, with a scheduled 12 miler for this weekend; though I am expecting to get rid of either the spin class or long bike ride as my mileage starts to increase. My old legs just need rest days

 

[gruecd]

Virtually every injury I've had (approx. 6, with all in the past 4 years) has occurred due to feeling too good, and going faster than I should.

Me, too. Believe me when I say that I'm pretty good about sticking to my prescribed training paces. This was definitely the exception to the rule.

We still haven't heard many details, or seen any pic's from the Fall50...

You'll have to talk to RoarinSonoran about the pics. He was in charge of the camera.....

 

[pigskinliquors]

Virtually every injury I've had (approx. 6, with all in the past 4 years) has occurred due to feeling too good, and going faster than I should.

Me, too. Believe me when I say that I'm pretty good about sticking to my prescribed training paces. This was definitely the exception to the rule.

We still haven't heard many details, or seen any pic's from the Fall50...

You'll have to talk to RoarinSonoran about the pics. He was in charge of the camera.....

 

[culdeus]

What goes on in here?

 

[gruecd]

Nice, tough workout on the treadmill yesterday. Started with 10-minute warmup at 8:00 pace, then 30 minutes at 6:50, 10 minutes at 7:45, and 10 minutes at 7:30. Ended up averaging 7:16 pace for 8.26 miles. Not sure yet whether or not I'm going to run today, but so far I've logged 184 miles this month.

Hopping on a plane in a couple of hours for a pre-marathon trip to Memphis. My friend and I are going to hit a couple of Halloween parties tonight, hopefully do a training run on the marathon course tomorrow, and then drive 2-1/2 hours to Nashville on Sunday to watch the Packers put an end to the Titans' unbeaten streak.

Should be a good time.....

 

[2Young2BBald]

What goes on in here?

Bike questions for the pros:Tire inflation question: the guy who sold me my road bike told me to inflate the tires to the max psi before every ride, which I've done. However, I was reading Triathlete Magazine yesterday and there was a write up that outlined that unless the ride is on a velodrome, tire should not be fully inflated to the max psi. Thoughts? Also, it didn't go in to great detail about how to drop the psi off the max. The max psi on the tire I have is 120, if I do back down the presure, what should I drop it to for crappy Michigan roads? I also just bought a trainer and will inflate the rear tire to the max for this, but I am planning an outdoor ride today as its going to be close to 60 degrees.Fit question: over the winter, I'd like to tweak my position on the bike to see if I can get a bit more comfortable. The first thing I'd like to try would be to move the seat forward a bit. Is this a good place to start? I feel like I am reaching a bit on the bars. If I do move it forward, will I feel any difference over the pedals? TIA for any answers.My update, finished up my 6-weeks out of town on Tuesday of this week and its good to be home. Before I left, I did an 8-mile 1/2 paved, 1/2 trail run on Sunday. I only wanted to run 4 or 5 miles, but the cool weather and fall colors kept me running. I hurt the arch of my right foot a bit, but can't figure out if I bruised it stepping on something on the trail or if I stretched something. Its not enough to keep me down, but its sore. Wednesday morning I went in to research mode and found out that the High School a 1/4 mile from my house has adult lap swim on Mon & Wed nights. Did my first swim Wedneday Night, swimming 50 minutes straight. I lost lap count, but it had to be a mile +. Its not in my sig, but I add what looks to be a bad ### trail race to the mix a week from Sunday. In the billing is mud, rocks, hills and maybe even snow. Sounds like fun

 

[culdeus]

What goes on in here?

Tire inflation question: the guy who sold me my road bike told me to inflate the tires to the max psi before every ride, which I've done. However, I was reading Triathlete Magazine yesterday and there was a write up that outlined that unless the ride is on a velodrome, tire should not be fully inflated to the max psi. Thoughts? Also, it didn't go in to great detail about how to drop the psi off the max. The max psi on the tire I have is 120, if I do back down the presure, what should I drop it to for crappy Michigan roads? I also just bought a trainer and will inflate the rear tire to the max for this, but I am planning an outdoor ride today as its going to be close to 60 degrees.A max of 120 is sort of low, but whatever. Higher pressure the more you will feel the road, but also will decrease your rolling resistance. Biking like life is a series of tradeoffs. Note:Heavier riders need higher pressure to compensate for the higher rolling resistance.

Fit question: over the winter, I'd like to tweak my position on the bike to see if I can get a bit more comfortable. The first thing I'd like to try would be to move the seat forward a bit. Is this a good place to start? I feel like I am reaching a bit on the bars. If I do move it forward, will I feel any difference over the pedals? TIA for any answers.

Probably a bad idea. No, on second thought really bad idea. If you are too stretched out you probably need to look at a shorter stem or flipping your stem or putting a spacer or two in. moving your saddle will throw off your position vis-a-vis the bottom bracket which is bad for knees amongst other things.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

Virtually every injury I've had (approx. 6, with all in the past 4 years) has occurred due to feeling too good, and going faster than I should.

Me, too. Believe me when I say that I'm pretty good about sticking to my prescribed training paces. This was definitely the exception to the rule.

We still haven't heard many details, or seen any pic's from the Fall50...

You'll have to talk to RoarinSonoran about the pics. He was in charge of the camera.....

Got the wife's pics developed and on disk. Just gotta get 'em uploaded. Gimme a few weeks.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Virtually every injury I've had (approx. 6, with all in the past 4 years) has occurred due to feeling too good, and going faster than I should.

Me, too. Believe me when I say that I'm pretty good about sticking to my prescribed training paces. This was definitely the exception to the rule.

We still haven't heard many details, or seen any pic's from the Fall50...

You'll have to talk to RoarinSonoran about the pics. He was in charge of the camera.....

Got the wife's pics developed and on disk. Just gotta get 'em uploaded. Gimme a few weeks.

RS = 2Young = you will notice speed differences with any drop in PSI. I recommend the highest PSI you can handle (w/o too much vibration from the road). Regarding moving the seat up.

If you are unable or too cheap to get a new stem (which is what you should do); make only quarter inch at a time changes to your position. Do this by first measuring the precise distance between the tip of your seat, and the middle of your crank. Once you move your seat forward a quarter of an inch, you then need to raise the seat to ensure that the distance between the tip of your seat and crank center haven't changed. Do a short ride, noting any effect on your knees. IF you are more comfortable try it on a longer ride; if still comfortable, you can try to move another quarter inch forward. Rinse and repeat until you are the most comfortable. FWIW: moving your seat forward is advantageous for tri's if you have aero-bars = much more comfortable and more aero.

______________________________________________________________

My update:

Speedwork today = 6 miles with a one mile warm-up followed be a 7:26, 7:24, 7:23 & 7:20 mile; then a one mile cool down at 8:30. I'm still disliking the speed work, but the cooler weather is making it a bit more tolerable.

 

[pigskinliquors]

RS: I did find this article on bike position for tri's. It shows three positions, with each being progressively forward. A couple of the comments in the article include:

Rotating one's body complex forward means you're no longer sitting on that padded place God provided for you. You're now resting on the saddle in places God did not intend in his infinite wisdom for you to rest. Perhaps the Grand Design did not contemplate triathlons.

All things equal, the younger, leaner, fitter and lither you are, the more forward you'll want to ride. Also, the shorter the race the more you'll probably want to be forward. If you ride with lesser effort, if you carry more weight, if you're older, if you race a longer distance, and if you're more of a mesomorph (strong, muscly-type) the more you're likely to tend toward a position back from 80 degrees.

 

[culdeus]

RS: I did find this article on bike position for tri's. It shows three positions, with each being progressively forward. A couple of the comments in the article include:

Rotating one's body complex forward means you're no longer sitting on that padded place God provided for you. You're now resting on the saddle in places God did not intend in his infinite wisdom for you to rest. Perhaps the Grand Design did not contemplate triathlons.

All things equal, the younger, leaner, fitter and lither you are, the more forward you'll want to ride. Also, the shorter the race the more you'll probably want to be forward. If you ride with lesser effort, if you carry more weight, if you're older, if you race a longer distance, and if you're more of a mesomorph (strong, muscly-type) the more you're likely to tend toward a position back from 80 degrees.

Exhibit 345 why I hate tri riders. They can #### with their position so much because god forbid they ever hit anything with even a 1% grade in a race. BTW my next big thing to cross off is the triple bypass. 2010 is the target date as I'm still thinking 1H of 09 will be very light for me.

 

[tri-man 47]

I've been doin' nuttin this week. I'll pick it back up this weekend a bit (though I'm now fighting a cold), but with my race season complete, I allowed myself a slack week. Gotta start planning for 2009!

 

[pigskinliquors]

RS: I did find this article on bike position for tri's. It shows three positions, with each being progressively forward. A couple of the comments in the article include:

Rotating one's body complex forward means you're no longer sitting on that padded place God provided for you. You're now resting on the saddle in places God did not intend in his infinite wisdom for you to rest. Perhaps the Grand Design did not contemplate triathlons.

All things equal, the younger, leaner, fitter and lither you are, the more forward you'll want to ride. Also, the shorter the race the more you'll probably want to be forward. If you ride with lesser effort, if you carry more weight, if you're older, if you race a longer distance, and if you're more of a mesomorph (strong, muscly-type) the more you're likely to tend toward a position back from 80 degrees.

Exhibit 345 why I hate tri riders. They can #### with their position so much because god forbid they ever hit anything with even a 1% grade in a race. BTW my next big thing to cross off is the triple bypass. 2010 is the target date as I'm still thinking 1H of 09 will be very light for me.

Reason 224 why those who only ride road bikes are missing out. They use the energy of others instead of their own (drafting) for as much time as they can, so they can justify the time that they are going uphill FYI: I also represent the above remark!

 

[gruecd]

I am SO gonna make this marathon my bi-atch! Got to Memphis this afternoon, and my friend had to finish up some stuff for work, so I went out in the 70-degree weather (30 degrees warmer than what I've been running in lately) and did 8+ miles at 7:26 average pace. I was supposed to run between 7:30-7:45, so I was only a little bit too fast. Felt very strong, though, especially considering the heat.

That's all for now. Off to get a sub, and then it's time for drinking and other debauchery.....

 

[2Young2BBald]

RS: I did find this article on bike position for tri's. It shows three positions, with each being progressively forward. A couple of the comments in the article include:

Rotating one's body complex forward means you're no longer sitting on that padded place God provided for you. You're now resting on the saddle in places God did not intend in his infinite wisdom for you to rest. Perhaps the Grand Design did not contemplate triathlons.

All things equal, the younger, leaner, fitter and lither you are, the more forward you'll want to ride. Also, the shorter the race the more you'll probably want to be forward. If you ride with lesser effort, if you carry more weight, if you're older, if you race a longer distance, and if you're more of a mesomorph (strong, muscly-type) the more you're likely to tend toward a position back from 80 degrees.

Exhibit 345 why I hate tri riders. They can #### with their position so much because god forbid they ever hit anything with even a 1% grade in a race. BTW my next big thing to cross off is the triple bypass. 2010 is the target date as I'm still thinking 1H of 09 will be very light for me.

I'm not worthy of your advice and I to your cycling greatness

 

[culdeus]

RS: I did find this article on bike position for tri's. It shows three positions, with each being progressively forward. A couple of the comments in the article include:

Rotating one's body complex forward means you're no longer sitting on that padded place God provided for you. You're now resting on the saddle in places God did not intend in his infinite wisdom for you to rest. Perhaps the Grand Design did not contemplate triathlons.

All things equal, the younger, leaner, fitter and lither you are, the more forward you'll want to ride. Also, the shorter the race the more you'll probably want to be forward. If you ride with lesser effort, if you carry more weight, if you're older, if you race a longer distance, and if you're more of a mesomorph (strong, muscly-type) the more you're likely to tend toward a position back from 80 degrees.

Exhibit 345 why I hate tri riders. They can #### with their position so much because god forbid they ever hit anything with even a 1% grade in a race. BTW my next big thing to cross off is the triple bypass. 2010 is the target date as I'm still thinking 1H of 09 will be very light for me.

I'm not worthy of your advice and I to your cycling greatness

I do what I can.

 

[Righetti]

just over 24 hours away from the NYC Marathon. Been a grueling four months of training but feel strong and ready

weather is suppose to be good (50's) and hopefully the new wave format will help keep the track a bit more clear than last year.

 

[Righetti]

Completed the NYC marathon in 4:09, felt great up until mile 19 and well on my way to a 4 hour mrathon when my quad starts major cramping. I spent the next 7 miles absolutely miserable as I did a run two mile, walk 1/2 mile combo along with long stretches on the side of the road.

Also, was told that I had a kidney stone and when I hit mile 22, I hit the John and was peeing red.

was rough run but was very glad to be done..

 

[DolphinsPhan]

Completed the NYC marathon in 4:09, felt great up until mile 19 and well on my way to a 4 hour mrathon when my quad starts major cramping. I spent the next 7 miles absolutely miserable as I did a run two mile, walk 1/2 mile combo along with long stretches on the side of the road.Also, was told that I had a kidney stone and when I hit mile 22, I hit the John and was peeing red.was rough run but was very glad to be done..

Congrats. Glad you finished. I was there cheering for a friend of mine that was running. Looks like such an awesome atmosphere.

 

[DolphinsPhan]

Well, I want my first one to be an "event" race for the most part since I'm not sure if I'd do another one after that. Looking for a relatively flat, fast course with cool temps (in the 50s at start time)...Leaning towards Chicago for that very reason. But I'm kind of intrigued by the San Diego Rock and Roll Marathon next May. I just don't know if I want to do one that soon.

I'm in the same boat as you are. I think I am going to make the commitment and run one in 2009. Don't know how many I will plan to run after that, so I am going to make my 1st more of an event than a small one. I need more of a fall marathon b/c I can't stand running in heat/humidity. My first thought was Chicago for a couple of reasons. It's pretty flat, the temperature should be in the 50s/60s (even though it is unpredictable), there is no lottery to try and get in, and my cousin runs it every year and lives in Chicago. Other ones that I am thinking about would be NY (I live in NJ, so close to home, but it's a lottery system), Marine Corp in DC (which is supposed to be the best organized one), maybe Memphis (but only b/c my friend might be moving out there for work next spring), Philadelphia?

 

[DolphinsPhan]

Decided that I'm going to take the plunge and run my first full Marathon in Fall 09.

Any suggestions? Chicago? Take a shot at the NYC Lottery?

Here are a few in the order they take place as per this link:New York

San Antonio

Philadelphia

Atlanta

Honolulu

edited to add, This link is better!

= Twin Cities, Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, Marine Corps

 

[tri-man 47]

Completed the NYC marathon in 4:09, felt great up until mile 19 and well on my way to a 4 hour mrathon when my quad starts major cramping. I spent the next 7 miles absolutely miserable as I did a run two mile, walk 1/2 mile combo along with long stretches on the side of the road.Also, was told that I had a kidney stone and when I hit mile 22, I hit the John and was peeing red.was rough run but was very glad to be done..

We're all a little nuts, aren't we? Congrats, Righetti! That's some kind of tough right there.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Completed the NYC marathon in 4:09, felt great up until mile 19 and well on my way to a 4 hour mrathon when my quad starts major cramping. I spent the next 7 miles absolutely miserable as I did a run two mile, walk 1/2 mile combo along with long stretches on the side of the road.Also, was told that I had a kidney stone and when I hit mile 22, I hit the John and was peeing red.was rough run but was very glad to be done..

We're all a little nuts, aren't we? Congrats, Righetti! That's some kind of tough right there.

You conquered the most important goal, goal numero uno = Finished!!! Congrat's Righetti. Just finishing, even with a better time, wouldn't have given you anywhere near as good of a story to tell for the rest of your life.

 

[pigskinliquors]

RS: I did find this article on bike position for tri's. It shows three positions, with each being progressively forward. A couple of the comments in the article include:

Rotating one's body complex forward means you're no longer sitting on that padded place God provided for you. You're now resting on the saddle in places God did not intend in his infinite wisdom for you to rest. Perhaps the Grand Design did not contemplate triathlons.

All things equal, the younger, leaner, fitter and lither you are, the more forward you'll want to ride. Also, the shorter the race the more you'll probably want to be forward. If you ride with lesser effort, if you carry more weight, if you're older, if you race a longer distance, and if you're more of a mesomorph (strong, muscly-type) the more you're likely to tend toward a position back from 80 degrees.

Exhibit 345 why I hate tri riders. They can #### with their position so much because god forbid they ever hit anything with even a 1% grade in a race. BTW my next big thing to cross off is the triple bypass. 2010 is the target date as I'm still thinking 1H of 09 will be very light for me.

I'm not worthy of your advice and I to your cycling greatness

I do what I can.

Like send a text message that wakes me up at 12:05 am, on Halloween night, hoping that I, in the middle of a deep sleep after a veeeeery long day/night of Halloween fun would know what the Boston qualifying time is for a 60+ year old

 

[culdeus]

RS: I did find this article on bike position for tri's. It shows three positions, with each being progressively forward. A couple of the comments in the article include:

Rotating one's body complex forward means you're no longer sitting on that padded place God provided for you. You're now resting on the saddle in places God did not intend in his infinite wisdom for you to rest. Perhaps the Grand Design did not contemplate triathlons.

All things equal, the younger, leaner, fitter and lither you are, the more forward you'll want to ride. Also, the shorter the race the more you'll probably want to be forward. If you ride with lesser effort, if you carry more weight, if you're older, if you race a longer distance, and if you're more of a mesomorph (strong, muscly-type) the more you're likely to tend toward a position back from 80 degrees.

Exhibit 345 why I hate tri riders. They can #### with their position so much because god forbid they ever hit anything with even a 1% grade in a race. BTW my next big thing to cross off is the triple bypass. 2010 is the target date as I'm still thinking 1H of 09 will be very light for me.

I'm not worthy of your advice and I to your cycling greatness

I do what I can.

Like send a text message that wakes me up at 12:05 am, on Halloween night, hoping that I, in the middle of a deep sleep after a veeeeery long day/night of Halloween fun would know what the Boston qualifying time is for a 60+ year old

 

[Righetti]

Completed the NYC marathon in 4:09, felt great up until mile 19 and well on my way to a 4 hour mrathon when my quad starts major cramping. I spent the next 7 miles absolutely miserable as I did a run two mile, walk 1/2 mile combo along with long stretches on the side of the road.Also, was told that I had a kidney stone and when I hit mile 22, I hit the John and was peeing red.was rough run but was very glad to be done..

We're all a little nuts, aren't we? Congrats, Righetti! That's some kind of tough right there.

You conquered the most important goal, goal numero uno = Finished!!! Congrat's Righetti. Just finishing, even with a better time, wouldn't have given you anywhere near as good of a story to tell for the rest of your life.

thanks for all the support. Did it last year in 4:19, so I did cut 10 minutes off my time which considering the cramping was pretty good.My 5k splits went26.3426.5027.2528.4229.3929.3433.29 :(34.12 :(and then 13.03 from 40k to the end.ended the race at a 9.32/mile pace which I'm happy with.. The race was great, the crowds were great but the cramping really put a damper on it for me especially because I trained so hard and really felt poised to break 4 hours..not sure what caused the cramping.. it was cold outside, a bit colder than ideal (40's when it started) and I didn't wam up much, I drank a lot of water but maybe not enough, I had a banana at mile 8, i had salt packets at mile 6 and 12. The only part which might have thrown me off was some of that PowerGel good with caffeine in it I had about a mile before the cramping.. I usualy do the non caffeinated ones so who knows.thanks for all the support guys

 

[gruecd]

it was cold outside, a bit colder than ideal (40's when it started)...

Great job, Righetti, but I'm a little about the above comment. Most runners I know consider temps in the 40s to be ideal conditions for the start of a marathon. Too cold? Really?

 

[Righetti]

it was cold outside, a bit colder than ideal (40's when it started)...

Great job, Righetti, but I'm a little about the above comment. Most runners I know consider temps in the 40s to be ideal conditions for the start of a marathon. Too cold? Really?

I should have been a bit more clear, it was not the running part but the fact that I got to Staten Island at 7AM and stood around for 3 hours in weather anywhere from 35 to 42 degrees. then when I got off, my first two miles were on the bottom level of the bridge where i got no sun at all and with the wind kicking in what felt like a wind-tunnel it felt like 30 degrees under there.. I've been trying to figure out what caused the cramping, somebody suggested the cold weather, so thought that might have been it. One of my mistakes was that although I was there 3 hours before the gun went off, I did not really warm up or do any long stretching which could not have hurt and may have led to the cramping at mile 19.

I did drink a lot of water adn Gatorade throughout the run and even had a banana at mile 8 plus a couple of salt packets throughout the race, so in terms of hydration and fuel I thought I was OK.

The one thing that may have been a bad idea was the Fuel Pack Goo I took with caffeine in it at mile 17 or 18 (about a mile or two before the cramping). I usually take the non caffeinated ones but they were free and I was tired so I took the one with 1x caffeine. Not sure that would have done it but trying to look to see what I should avoid next time.

maybe I just got out a bit too fast, although my pace was pretty similar to all my training stuff... The hills took a lot out of me but the crowd pulled me through a lot of the hardest parts..

I guess I should not have run with a kidney stone but honestly there was nothing my urologist was going to tell me that was gonna keep me from competing on Sunday.. Then again when my urine was dark brown at mile 23 I kind of thought that I should have asked him first..

 

[DolphinsPhan]

Interesting article on stretching...

NY times article

 

[tri-man 47]

I should have been a bit more clear, it was not the running part but the fact that I got to Staten Island at 7AM and stood around for 3 hours

The problem might be tied to this - not the cold, but the fact that you had that three hour gap and therefore, in all likelihood, didn't have the opportunity to get proper and full nutrition before starting.

 

[pigskinliquors]

My update:

I got my 12 miler in this weekend. My HR stayed below 80% for all except the second to the last mile, which I ran at marathon pace (8:00). All is going well thus far. Getting my 14 miler in this weekend will be a chore, as we're staying at a friend's ranch all weekend and the Mrs. will kill me if I take off for a long run while there. Options are most likely going to be Sunday late (9-11 pm), or Monday early (5-7 am). Ugh!

 

[mr. furley]

i hate myself

 

[gruecd]

i hate myself :(

Why, because you're a lazy ### who "doesn't have time" to exercise?