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SFBayDuck
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SteelCurtain
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I was one, however, now that I have Boston secured for 2018 and (hopefully) 2019, I am thinking I'll wait a few years on this one.
But it looks like a must do based on everything I have read.
Hang 10
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You know regarding the race reports...
I've debated whether to say something about this at all but #### it, here goes. I couple months back I shared parts of my training and my/my coach's plan for me and the consensus seemed to be that my coach/plan sucks. My goals are unachievable. I'm probably going to get injured again. To say I was surprised by the response is an understatement. I was pissed.
So I took a little break from posting in here. After a while I'd post a comment or 2 if someone was soliciting advice. Maybe hand out an atta boy for someone's race. But I wasn't about to share anything more about my training. No chance.
Eventually @Juxtatarot asked me to post a race report after my 10K pr in Sept. Reluctantly I did. The response was crickets. It would have been nice to hear that hey, maybe your coach/plan is working for you. I don't need mea culpas but how about something?
So a month later, fitter than ever, healthy and another PR later...why do I want to waste my time and energy writing up a report? For few hits on the like button? #### that. Save your likes and kudos.
Am I bitter? Petty? Overly sensitive? I probably am all 3 of those things and more but that's the way I feel. It sucks because I have a big race coming up and I don't want to talk about it here and that's sad.
(obviously this isn't directed at all of you)
I've debated whether to say something about this at all but #### it, here goes. I couple months back I shared parts of my training and my/my coach's plan for me and the consensus seemed to be that my coach/plan sucks. My goals are unachievable. I'm probably going to get injured again. To say I was surprised by the response is an understatement. I was pissed.
So I took a little break from posting in here. After a while I'd post a comment or 2 if someone was soliciting advice. Maybe hand out an atta boy for someone's race. But I wasn't about to share anything more about my training. No chance.
Eventually @Juxtatarot asked me to post a race report after my 10K pr in Sept. Reluctantly I did. The response was crickets. It would have been nice to hear that hey, maybe your coach/plan is working for you. I don't need mea culpas but how about something?
So a month later, fitter than ever, healthy and another PR later...why do I want to waste my time and energy writing up a report? For few hits on the like button? #### that. Save your likes and kudos.
Am I bitter? Petty? Overly sensitive? I probably am all 3 of those things and more but that's the way I feel. It sucks because I have a big race coming up and I don't want to talk about it here and that's sad.
(obviously this isn't directed at all of you)
bushdocda
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I recall some posts that were a mix of concern for your health and support for your goals but I think (hoped) both came with a positive intent. I can’t speak from experience on so much of what goes on here - I learn a ton from posts and race reports in tangible and conceptual ways.
Wish I had more to offer than likes and periodic comments. I don’t think my running life is that interesting although I did get my pelvis checked out this morning which was interesting. Post coming later on pelvis.
Hang 10
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There probably was positive intent but from my perspective, I never asked for advice. I was simply sharing part of my training that I was apprehensive about. Maybe people took that to mean I was asking for their help.
I have a lot of respect for the people in here but this place isn't real life. I'm friends with my coach outside the internet. I was never going to just disregard him for anything that got said in here. Don't know why people would think otherwise.
ETA: also like I said this rant wasn't directed at everyone and there's no need to defend using the like button over posting. I'm as guilty as the next guy when it comes to that.
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ChiefD
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Because people in here give a damn. People have a lot of experience in here. People, I believe, genuinely care about others in here. I don't know about you, but I am invested in all of your trainings now, just like I feel you all have my back.
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Hang 10
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I appreciate that sentiment but I also try to know my place in here. We all have opinions on training but people don't always want them forced upon them.
Sometimes we are just telling you what we are doing to vent or whatever. We are not trying to have our minds changed.
IDK maybe @JShare87 is right that I'm a pain in his ### for no good reason. Maybe I shouldn't have shat on his BQ goal. In my mind it was different than my situation but maybe it's close enough that I should have kept my mouth shut.
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SFBayDuck
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Women complain all the time that they come to men with problems or issues or just wanting to be heard. Men tend to offer suggestions or solutions, even if they aren't being asked for. Probably pretty much what happens in here - you came just to share a new training approach for you, and a few people offered opinions. Looking back, one of them even came with the caveat "I probably shouldn't be posting while drunk," which I think could cover half the posts in the FFA.
I do agree that Strava and the like button have reduced engagement in here a bit. Although my engagement both here and on Strava has been limited more by injury recently than anything else.
pbm107
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I am sorry I was critical of your coach’s plan, some of it initially was confusion over the pace of all the runs below a certain pace but you later clarified that you’d still run recovery runs. I am glad that the plan has worked out for you, and you are in no doubt in PR shape for the marathon. I hope this anger and bitterness was fuel for you in your training. What is your goal, is it still 2:58? What does your coach think you can run? What time did he think you’d run in the 10k?
pbm107
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Hang 10
Footballguy
Thanks. Honestly it was your comments that really bothered me the most. I let the firing the coach comment go because as you said, you were posting while drunk but the next day it felt like you doubled down by telling me my goals weren't realistic.
I just never understood how that was supposed to be helpful. Fine you don't think I'm going to run sub 3 but what do you think I'm going to run? 3:05? 3:08? So are talking about between like 10-20 seconds a mile? Really I don't know what I'm supposed to do with your opinion. Guess lower my expectations for myself?
I've been serious at this running thing for 3 years or more and my record doesn't have a lot I blew up because I went too fast on it. I thought maybe I deserved a little more credit.
But yeah, being pissed off has added fuel no doubt. 2:58 was never really the goal. It's always been 2:59:59. Never really intended putting that time on Richmond strava page as some statement. It really was just hoping to give myself a cushion for sub 3.
My coach thinks I'm definitely on track to run sub 3 and that's the goal. I'm going to start around 6:50ish pace and hold there until 20 and if I'm feeling good I'll speed up as much as I can. On the flip side I'll slow down well before 20 if I'm not feeling it. But all indications point to a big PR.
Hang 10
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SFBayDuck
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I hesitated on that and thought about changing it as I know that's how it came across. Glad you laughed, because that wasn't the point.Agree with this even tho I'm the women in this scenario.
pbm107
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I have no idea what you are capable of at this point, at the time of my comments you weren't putting in much training volume and I didn't think sub 3 was realistic.
Good luck, can you provide any insight as to what your coach is using to say that you're on track for sub 3?
MAC_32
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@Hang 10 I also believe I was very critical of the plan. But it was more due to what your coach said at one point then what he actually did a few weeks after. It made no sense. To paraphrase - "we're going to take it easy this time through then if all goes well open things up with your next one"...then he has you running mid 7's.
I believe I said as much at the time - I felt you were absolutely capable of that sort of training speed...but there was a disconnect between your coach's words and actions.
I've actually gone out of my way to not say too much about your training on here because I've felt if I did it may cause more pressure. Bet your ### I'll be following race morning though!
I believe I said as much at the time - I felt you were absolutely capable of that sort of training speed...but there was a disconnect between your coach's words and actions.
I've actually gone out of my way to not say too much about your training on here because I've felt if I did it may cause more pressure. Bet your ### I'll be following race morning though!
Ned
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So sorry, GB. :(
Opened my Facebook feed this morning to see a buddy from the 82d died last night. We spent 6 months in an "office", he the provost Marshall, while I was the legal adviser for the command. Dude was only a few years older than me. No details right now but someone mentioned it was an accident.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Yeah and i wasn't capable of sub 3 2 months ago. But I was going to build and now here I am having run more than the previous 2 years to this point. That was always the plan and I even said as much back then.
Honestly I don't know his exact reasoning for thinking I'll run sub 3 and never given it much thought. If I had to guess it's my 2 10ks with no taper and speed work and fast finish long runs, particularly the last one when I averaged 6:40 for the last 8 miles.
Hang 10
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Yep and like I said I was apprehensive myself. I guess that's why was the criticisms upset me. I was already filled with doubt and I was coming here to vent and basically I just received confirmation of my worst fears. That make sense?@Hang 10 I also believe I was very critical of the plan. But it was more due to what your coach said at one point then what he actually did a few weeks after. It made no sense. To paraphrase - "we're going to take it easy this time through then if all goes well open things up with your next one"...then he has you running mid 7's.
I believe I said as much at the time - I felt you were absolutely capable of that sort of training speed...but there was a disconnect between your coach's words and actions.
I've actually gone out of my way to not say too much about your training on here because I've felt if I did it may cause more pressure. Bet your ### I'll be following race morning though!
But looking back I do feel like training by the paces my coach wanted me to run has worked. I now get why he prefers it over heart rate. It's more consistent. And HR is not the best indicator of effort once you are aerobically fit.
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Hang 10
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JShare87
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As I said before, my statement was never comparing me and you. I’m not just saying this, you’re the man, far more talented than me and I truly know that. I am as proud as the next guy, but I like to think I am a humble person nowadays. I just felt the situation was similar (a dude saying he was capable of something and other doubting him). Looking back on the whole situation, I know realize how foolish I was for thinking I could run a sub 3:05 marathon. I am not even close to accomplishing that. However, I have no doubt you are going to crush that time and as much differences as we’ve had, I hope you kill it. No ill will here from me on my part. I appreciate all the advice I get in here and enjoy keeping up with this thread. Best of luck to you and everyone in this thread. I love seeing y’all do great. Also, you’re not a pain, I am just messing around.
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tri-man 47
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Hang 10
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Bro, you have enough talent to run as fast as almost anyone in here. And I think I said so back then. The biggest difference between the two of us is experience. I have little doubt you'll get to Boston someday soon.
2 years ago I ran a pretty decent marathon. Last year seemed to build off the previous training. Now the 3rd year training for a marathon in a row I can really feel leap in fitness. Aerobically the difference is night and day. This #### is a long term process and if you stick with it, you'll see what I'm talking about.
I appreciate the kinds words tho. But I do probably need to think about how I respond sometimes to not come off as condescending #######.
Hang 10
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SFBayDuck
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Hang 10
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bushdocda
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It’s not everyday I get strange women assessing my pelvis so it’s noteworthy when I do. Went to the PT this morning to get assessed and see what’s what particularly with my left adductor/glute/groin. Initial imbalance assessment and eye test and shoe wear test went fine. Then the boss PT and her intern put me through a series of pretzelly positions where I resisted tension in different planes. They assessed my spine,hips, pelvis, sacrum, tailbone and did some gentle realigning movements to help a pelvic tilt that they didn’t like. Lots of thumbs and gentle twists. Everything they identified pointed to a left adductor that isn’t lengthening properly which is causing my ongoing issue.
For now they prescribed some movements/stretches to try for a week of so and reassess whether dry needles might be tried next week. Will head back in 2 Fridays. I’m not exacerbating the issue with moderate runs or the stretching I’m doing. We’ll see when they say go on intensity and longer stuff. I am toying with the idea of racing dec 2. Was considering a second marathon that day as it comes about a block away from our beach house but that distance will wait for next year and be my A long race I think. Neither my mind or body are in on the full. I will run the half if I’m feeling like it’s a good idea physically and sign up late. Excited to clear this nagging thing issue I’ve mostly ignored since March.
Probably need some better ongoing body maintenance monthly going forward, as much as I’ve resisted the time & expense its good ####.
For now they prescribed some movements/stretches to try for a week of so and reassess whether dry needles might be tried next week. Will head back in 2 Fridays. I’m not exacerbating the issue with moderate runs or the stretching I’m doing. We’ll see when they say go on intensity and longer stuff. I am toying with the idea of racing dec 2. Was considering a second marathon that day as it comes about a block away from our beach house but that distance will wait for next year and be my A long race I think. Neither my mind or body are in on the full. I will run the half if I’m feeling like it’s a good idea physically and sign up late. Excited to clear this nagging thing issue I’ve mostly ignored since March.
Probably need some better ongoing body maintenance monthly going forward, as much as I’ve resisted the time & expense its good ####.
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SFBayDuck
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Meanwhile I'm currently doing the full Otis Potato HackTM because all of this no running and drinking and eating in it's stead has my fat ### trying to reach my pre-running equilibrium weight of 210-215 again, which is what I weighed for years after college (minus the post-baby balloon to 225 in 2003). I'm a good 20 lbs heavier than I was for Western States a short 4 months later...brutal. My metabolism is a ####.
I did manage about a mile of pain-free running during my hike yesterday, that was encouraging. As it's now the official beginning of the ultra lottery season, I'm starting to get some mental mojo back this week. Fingers crossed that is joined with being able to ease back into running this month.
On the lottery note - threw my name in the hat for the 3rd year for the Hardrock 100 this morning. Western States lottery opens on Saturday, and the others I'm considering for next year (Sonoma 50M, Miwok 100K) open in December after those two are drawn on 12/2. It's nice having Angeles Crest 100 in August already on the agenda, but it's always weird not having much control over the year's race schedule until December.
I did manage about a mile of pain-free running during my hike yesterday, that was encouraging. As it's now the official beginning of the ultra lottery season, I'm starting to get some mental mojo back this week. Fingers crossed that is joined with being able to ease back into running this month.
On the lottery note - threw my name in the hat for the 3rd year for the Hardrock 100 this morning. Western States lottery opens on Saturday, and the others I'm considering for next year (Sonoma 50M, Miwok 100K) open in December after those two are drawn on 12/2. It's nice having Angeles Crest 100 in August already on the agenda, but it's always weird not having much control over the year's race schedule until December.
Juxtatarot
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
By the way, I don't want us always to be too nice to each other. Some of best conversations have come from our disagreements.
pbm107
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Really, how long have you been doing this? How are you preparing the potatoes? When are we going to see beautiful pictures of potatoes?
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JShare87
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Thanks. I get it now. I completely understand.Bro, you have enough talent to run as fast as almost anyone in here. And I think I said so back then. The biggest difference between the two of us is experience. I have little doubt you'll get to Boston someday soon.
2 years ago I ran a pretty decent marathon. Last year seemed to build off the previous training. Now the 3rd year training for a marathon in a row I can really feel leap in fitness. Aerobically the difference is night and day. This #### is a long term process and if you stick with it, you'll see what I'm talking about.
I appreciate the kinds words tho. But I do probably need to think about how I respond sometimes to not come off as condescending #######.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Appreciate it. And I won't be sad if I run 2:58:22!
Honestly I'm just stoked to get to this race healthy with a chance at a PR. The main reason I put 2:58 as a goal is that I knew no matter what I did this cycle a time like that would keep me motivated to keep working. I just didn't want to settle.
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Osaurus
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SFBayDuck
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Day 3 today, and probably the last day for this round. I was up in Eugene all weekend, tailgating, drinking, and eating way too much pizza. And while I love pizza and beer, it doesn't love me - my insides sounded like the subway was rumbling through them on Sunday and Monday. Literally, it's audible across a relatively quiet room, and that happens almost every time in the 24 hours after I have pizza and beer. I've done the hack a couple of times before for 2-3 days, and each time I feel like it kind of re-sets my gut, which is supposed to be one of the benefits (resistant starch and all). And I've lost 3-5 lbs each time I've done it.
I pretty much just do baked (plain or with salsa) and mashed - boiled up a 5 lb bag of yukon golds on Monday morning and mashed them up with some bone broth. I'll eat some cold, some reheated (with a little broth to get the consistency back to "mashed"), and some made into patties and "fried" in a cast iron pan with just a quick spray of coconut oil.
It keeps you full, but my mouth waters every time I think about something savory. There was chili on the stove last night, and I was drooling. I open the fridge and see the leftover pork chops the family had Monday night, same thing. Can't wait for some salmon and a salad tomorrow.
And I'll have to see what I can do about the pics....
pbm107
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This sounds reasonable, I was selfishly hoping to see what would happen if someone with the discipline and craziness of an ultra runner did this over an extended period of time.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Absolutely makes sense. And you know how I feel about training by pacing vs HR/effort. I feel like I'm closer to identifying the balance between the two, but there's still some trial and error. I'm sure to some degree you're in the same boat too.
MAC_32
Footballguy
"Your ### is disproportionately large relative to the rest of your body."
-track teammate from high school
She was right then and it hasn't changed.
mr. furley
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Thanks to @AcerFC today's run was full of laughter and not anger.
https://www.strava.com/activities/1258262252
https://www.strava.com/activities/1258262252
Man, I don't check into the thread for 24+ hours and come back to this? Madness! But I understand Hang 10's feelings on the couple things he brought up...I do recall the discussion surrounding his training plan (my God I hope I didn't chime in!), and it was pretty evident that the feedback brought out feelings at that time that he finally put out there. And regarding race reports, I get that too. I'm probably the most guilty in this thread of not contributing much in the way of legitimate feedback for others. As another poster recently just mentioned, it's because I don't feel like I have much to contribute. So the "like button" it is, more often than not. I feel bad about that, but I don't consider myself a "runner" and thus don't feel that I have much to contribute. But I do read every post, and have gained much from doing so. So I for one hope that people keep writing race reports, even if it mostly results in a few likes.
Anyways, you guys already hold @SFBayDuck in high regard, and rightfully so. Did you guys know that he's making the drive over to Folsom this weekend and is going to help crew at the RdL 100? Never met him before! That's good stuff. Can't wait to meet him. Definitely going to need a foot massage, which I assume is part of the deal. Can anyone confirm? Hopefully he brings some of that Western States mojo with him as I fear I'm going to need it.
Anyways, you guys already hold @SFBayDuck in high regard, and rightfully so. Did you guys know that he's making the drive over to Folsom this weekend and is going to help crew at the RdL 100? Never met him before! That's good stuff. Can't wait to meet him. Definitely going to need a foot massage, which I assume is part of the deal. Can anyone confirm? Hopefully he brings some of that Western States mojo with him as I fear I'm going to need it.
SFBayDuck
Footballguy
Thanks man, just paying forward what @tri-man 47 did for me...so yes, that means foot massages are on the table. And your last sentence is a good reminder that I should wear a particular belt buckle tomorrow to keep you motivated......
