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Ned
Footballguy
Goddddddd, do I know what that feels like. Great job keeping it together for a big PR!
Sorry GBBut I gotta say the thing that really got me was checking FFA and seeing the new thread title (2:59)...a wave of terror washed over me at that moment.
I almost didn't do it....
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I honestly think this helps tremendously. Awesome that you've found that race that you love and likely helps keep you motivated.
But I gotta say the thing that really got me was checking FFA and seeing the new thread title (2:59)...a wave of terror washed over me at that moment.
So, did you make the right call with the attire? Temps in that range always feel tricky to me, so curious what you thought in hindsight.
Love the bolded! That mental battle you wage of deep down knowing your A goal may not be in the cards, but somehow finding a way to convince yourself that its still possible. And to finish with a sub-6 pace is sick. 3:03 is serious speed Hang 10. Huge congrats your way for giving it a run and turning in a crazy fast time. That was fun to follow along this weekend, and awesome to see your thoughts on strategy and how the race unfolded. Can't wait to follow along at Boston 2019. Well done.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Nah, I have never considered bringing extra gloves. In general in VA, it doesn't get that cold. If I had it to do it all again, I'd probably wouldn't have changed anything that I was wearing.Great report Hang10. Thank you for indulging all the race creepers around here.
And with the caffeine gels...yeah, you should experiment with them in training. 60% of the time they work every time.
Thanks, bro.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Super frustrating to have the issue with the laces!Richmond Marathon
Then wouldn’t ####### know it but I feel my shoelace flapping and look down…What a complete amateur move. I guess in all the excitement and meeting friends you can forget the little things. So like a complete idiot I’m stopping to tie my shoe. Only I realize after the 3rd try that it was going to be impossible with my gloves on.
I’ll be running the Boston marathon in 2019!
But you ultimately had me at "Boston." So excited for all the qualifiers this year!
Hang 10
Footballguy
Thanks!Goddddddd, do I know what that feels like. Great job keeping it together for a big PR!
Sorry GB
No worries. It was just funny. If it wouldn't have been the thread title it would have been someone's text. You know how it goes...chances of restful sleep that night were between slim and none.
Hang 10
Footballguy
I'm not sure the pace was too fast there it was just that the pack was pulling away from me and that was disconcerting.
It's funny that you ask that question and I was all set to answer you with a no but the more I think about it, it's probably a yes. If I had broken 3 hours it would have been a definite no but I feel like I still have unfinished business with the marathon. Also, if I'm doing Boston of spring of 2019, I don't think I want to run a Fall marathon and I don't want to wait over a year to do another. So yeah, I think I will.
Hang 10
Footballguy
I'm honestly not sure if I would have been better off wearing more clothes. The runners around me seemed to be dressed similar. I do wonder if the cold effected my performance at all. I guess it's impossible to know by how much.I honestly think this helps tremendously. Awesome that you've found that race that you love and likely helps keep you motivated.
So, did you make the right call with the attire? Temps in that range always feel tricky to me, so curious what you thought in hindsight.
Love the bolded! That mental battle you wage of deep down knowing your A goal may not be in the cards, but somehow finding a way to convince yourself that its still possible. And to finish with a sub-6 pace is sick. 3:03 is serious speed Hang 10. Huge congrats your way for giving it a run and turning in a crazy fast time. That was fun to follow along this weekend, and awesome to see your thoughts on strategy and how the race unfolded. Can't wait to follow along at Boston 2019. Well done.
Thank you! Glad to hear when people enjoy my reports because I always feel so clunky writing them.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Having never run a marathon, reading these race reports is fascinating to me. I can't even begin to imagine the mental strength it takes for that amount of time let alone the physical component. It simply amazes me. It's also incredible to see the thought process compared with the splits and try to recreate it in my head.
Although I'm quite sure the whole shoelace thing would have occupied my thoughts for at least 18 miles.
Although I'm quite sure the whole shoelace thing would have occupied my thoughts for at least 18 miles.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Yeah the mental part is the real battle on race day. You have to constantly take a mental inventory, especially during a marathon. Now I'm working on being more positive because this #### is already tough enough without being a pessimist.
Nigel
Footballguy
ChiefD
Footballguy
Usually no. Volunteers usually pick them up and they get donated to homeless shelters.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Yeah, I had considered that at the time if that was the difference....could you imagine?
I definitely tried my best to forget about it during the race and for the most part I did but after passing out that night, I woke around 4am and I couldn't stop thinking of all the woulda/shoulda things for the race and the shoe lace thing killed me the worst. 
MAC_32
Footballguy
If it's a small enough race, maybe. It's on you to plot out a drop spot then hope it's still there after. Don't even bother at larger events though.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
I hated it. That was one thing I kinda butted heads with my coach about. He cut back my training a bit too sharply for my liking. Like I said a while back, I was trying to be coachable and trust the plan but I struggled with that. I stretched runs bit. Added a shakeout or recovery. It was actually supposed to be less than it was...
Was that a factor on race day? Probably not but if the race was a weekend earlier I seriously doubt the results would be much different. I think I'm more of a 2 week taper kinda guy.
ETA: But yeah, I felt awesome. I'm 99.9% sure that I could have PR'd any distance the Wednesday before my race. I was running sub 7s at like 75% of my max heart rate. I definitely could have peaked too soon.
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Hang 10
Footballguy
That's kinda what I'm thinking.
In retrospect, running a 3:03 almost exclusively on base training miles ain't too bad. It's hard to expect more than that without weekly/biweekly workouts. I want to see my marathon potential after a complete plan.
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Hang 10
Footballguy
It is a #####. I set the bar high intentionally. Along the lines of staying positive, I really did try to convince myself that sub 3 was going to happen. Put it out there and back it up. Don't consider failing.
Sure part of me knew it was 50/50 at best but you gotta see it to be it. So now I'm here having come up short. It's bitter sweet for sure.
pbm107
Footballguy
Excellent race and report @Hang 10, like others have mentioned I can't believe how well you kept it together the 2nd half of the race, very impressive. You definitely showed a lot of toughness and really good running instincts managing the race from 16 and on. You're only scratching the surface of what you're capable of.
So why hasn't any mentioned that your HR monitor didn't appear to working properly during the race?
So why hasn't any mentioned that your HR monitor didn't appear to working properly during the race?
Hang 10
Footballguy
Thanks, buddy.
The more I think about it, the better I feel about the 2nd half overall. It felt like I died at the end but it was really only 7:20's for a 3 mile stretch. It's kinda hard to forget the defeating feeling of fading tho...
Yeah, wearing the arm sleeves kinda prevented from putting my watch on the right part of my wrist to get an accurate reading. I'm sure the data is garbage. I never checked it during the race but I don't think my HR was ever an issue. It is weird that the reading was so consistent though. It wasn't all up and down like when it's normally at a wrong spot on your arm.
pbm107
Footballguy
It sucks, most people that run marathons have been through it. You handled it like a champ, you should definitely be proud of that effort.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Thanks. It means a lot.
How are you feeling about your's? You thinking you have a shot at a PR? Your runs have looked really strong lately.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Do you know what the dirty little secret is about HR and specifically racing by it? That eventually your aerobic fitness can exceed the rest of your running. I never thought I would get there but I did this cycle. Suddenly HR wasn't that great of a indicator of my effort.Yeah, I noticed that when looking at the strava data. If that is correct, he was one efficient mofo.
And if it is correct, you left some time out there @Hang 10. I KNOW you have more in there.
So as for my race, yeah, that data was garbage but my legs were always going to fail before I came anywhere close to redlining. That's why I wonder how different things might have been with the benefit of some speed training.
pbm107
Footballguy
Thanks I don’t like my chances of getting a PR, I am going in with a pace band of 2:59:59. I probably have less than a 50% chance of getting that. I feel good and ready to go but not in the same shape that I was in 2015.Hang 10 said:Thanks. It means a lot.
How are you feeling about your's? You thinking you have a shot at a PR? Your runs have looked really strong lately.
Hang 10
Footballguy
IDK I guess I like your chances better than you do. But after this past weekend, I also realize how many things have to go right to run that kind of a time.
What do you think the difference was in 2015? Just keeping that momentum going after Boston?
Ned
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
Congrats on the W! Man, you seem to have a lot of overall victories in your early running career. Nice job.
As for the bolded, I think most of us get crazy nervous before races. I definitely do. And I have also seen crazy high HR data before when I'm warming up. At the end of the day, I don't think that factors too much into the race as it's good to have a warmed up heart before the race. You don't want to spike it right at the start by going from super low, right to racing. Also, the thing that calms me when I'm anxious and feeling like HR is high is that I've been here before and performed. I've have good prerace mornings and bad and the difference between the performance after is usually negligible.
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pbm107
Footballguy
Part of it was the Boston cycle and I had a productive June and July back then. The past 2 years I have had difficult time in those months. I don’t know if it is allergies or what but I need to figure it out if I want to get to the next level. Perhaps I need to take advantage of he treadmill during those months.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Yeah, I was wondering how much of it was just hitting your goals.
Boston: CHECK
36 minute 10K: CHECK
Sub 3 marathon: CHECK
Sub 18 5K: CHECK
I've often wondered if I got to where you're at, if I'd still have the fire to keep pushing it.
Osaurus
Footballguy
I know anxiety impacts my races based on my last 10k and others. I am trying harder to work on this during regular runs and treating races like regular runs. It’s not easy, but important for me to work out moving forward. Injuries are my biggest fear and that gives me the ultimate anxiety. When I’m relaxed, I obviously run better. I want that all the time.Congrats on the W! Man, you seem to have a lot of overall victories in your early running career. Nice job.
As for the bolded, I think most of us get crazy nervous before races. I definitely do. And I have also seen crazy high HR data before when I'm warming up. At the end of the day, I don't think that factors too much into the race as it's good to have a warmed up heart before the race. You don't want to spike it right at the start by going from super low, right to racing. Also, the thing that calms me when I'm anxious and feeling like HR is high is that I've been here before and performed. I've have good prerace mornings and bad and the difference between the performance after is usually negligible.
Hang 10
Footballguy
I had conversation with friend who is just getting into running and we talked about getting nervous etc. I think being nervous is a good thing. It's just means there's stakes. My thinking is the day I stop getting butterflies is the day I will look for something else to do.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
First, let me say this is a great race report. Its like reading a novel where the main character is going through highs and lows.....and I feel every single moment.Hang 10 said:Richmond Marathon
Love this race. 2 Years ago I ran one of the most complete races I've ever done top to bottom when I ran 3:08:44. I wasn't even mad when I DNF'd there last year. It's just a great course. Lots of variety. It's hilly compared to Va Beach (everywhere has more hills than VB). It's got great crowd support. The weather is generally pretty good. It's got plenty of excellent runners, so rarely are you running alone. Logistics are good too. You can get a hotel right by the start or finish no problem. You can hop into the corral at the last second. It's great.
Anyway, it's a Saturday race. So the wife and I head up from VB Friday night. Get there right at dark, head straight to the packet pickup and then right to dinner. Met some friends. Had a boring dinner and 1 beer. Get to the hotel, check in and try to get settled in. I'm feeling pretty tired and thinking maybe...just maybe I'll actually get a decent night's sleep. At that point, I make a critical error and start checking my phone. Facebook, text messages, instagram, etc. all blowing me up reminding me of the race. But I gotta say the thing that really got me was checking FFA and seeing the new thread title (2:59)...a wave of terror washed over me at that moment.
After a pretty crappy night of sleep I wake up at 5ish take care of business and then start to gather my kit. Figuring out what to wear for this race was something most of us were struggling with. It was going to be cold as balls. Colder than I've ever raced in. The previous 2 years the weather was perfect. High 30's rising to high 40's by the finish. That was easy. Singlet and shorts. This is year it was going to be mid to low 20's with it only rising to about 35-36 by the finish. Luckily it was going to be a sunny day and not super windy. So I decided to stick with shorts, singlet but add arm sleeves, gloves and thin beanie. At the last minute I decided to throw on a long sleeve tech to ditch after I got warm. Headed down to the lobby to meet with some friends that were running the half and then meeting a few others that were running the marathon.
The coach wanted me to do my pre run drills and then a mile warmup. I decided against the mile warmup. It was just way too cold. So I did my drills for 10 min and then jogged around the start line area to avoid standing still in the cold for too long. 2 min to the gun I hopped the barricade into the corral and then ditched my throw away sweat suit.
Gun goes off and the plan is to start off around 6:55 pace for the first mile and then find a rhythm between 6:45-6:50. First split is 6:56 and feeling very comfortable. Pick it up ever so slightly and I’m cruising at 6:48ish pace. Feeling good. Then wouldn’t ####### know it but I feel my shoelace flapping and look down…
I try to forget about it and keep positive thoughts. Next 3 miles or so I’m cruising a long slightly ahead of sub 3 pace. I’ve got a decent group around me and the some chatter about people trying to break 3 hours for the first time. Guess I should probably hang here. Around this point I ditch my long sleeve shirt (even though I was in no way too hot) and we hit our first significant downhill. I try to run loose down the hill and clock a 6:29. At the point I pop my first gel and keep on rolling.
Miles 7-10 run along the river. Really scenic…probably the best part of the course but this is when the pack starts to thin a bit and I start to feel like I may be in no man’s land if I don’t try to pick up the pace. I started to feel like I was pressing but I still wasn’t keeping up. In retrospect I probably should have try to find a more comfortable pace here but I was going for it and hoped that it was just kind of funk that would pass.
Miles 10-13 has a bunch of rolling hills and my quads started to feel the burn a bit when I tried to keep pace here. I also noticed that it was windier then the forecast called for…I remember thinking that I still kinda cold…especially when we hit shaded spots. Again, in retrospect I was pressing through here holding sub 7 min pace.
Hit the halfway mark at 1:30:30…I was trying to remain positive but in my heart of hearts it was hard to imagine a negative split. But I popped my second gel and felt pretty good. Ran 2 splits in the 6:40’s and thought…maybe.
Miles 15-18 is a pretty steady climb and there’s a long unprotected bridge you have to cross. Of course there was a steady head wind and of course there was no one to block the wind for me here. Ran a 7:09 here and I felt like I was running faster than that but it is what is. I knew that my wife would be waiting to see me at mile 17 and that did give me a bit of lift. One more mile up hill and the worst stretch of the course was done. This is when I knew I was in a bit of trouble. Steady head wind, a shaded part of the course and I was feeling cold. My hands started to feel partially numb. I was working hard and only hitting 7 flat.
Mile 18 is where I would pop my first gel with 50mg of caffeine (my rocket fuel) and I definitely needed a pick me up. But it never really came. Instead it kinda just upset my stomach. Next mile has a slight decline and I run my last sub 7 split of the day.
The original plan was to pick it up if I could at 20 and when I tried there just wasn’t anything there. Ran hard and 7 flat was all I could muster at 21. Miles 22-25 were just going into survival mode. Don’t give back too much time. The problem was that I had sick stomach and my hamstrings had tightened to the point where my stride lost a lot of length. I’m hurting. My real time pace on my watch is showing 7:40’s. I’m discouraged. I’m doing math in my head for worst case scenario paces and just want to limit the damage. I had one more gel left with 25mg of caffeine and I weighed the options not taking it because I thought it might make me puke or just taking it and hoping for the best. #### it. I take it and it does give me a bit of lift. Or maybe it was just getting close to the end.
The last mile I feel dead inside but I’m not going to leave any more time out on the course than I have to. Hit a few downhills and then get to the last stretch of straight downhill. I throw caution to the wind and just let my legs roll down this hill as fast as they will go. Close the race out with some sub 6 min pace. Hit the line @ 3:03:29.
I knew when I decided to go for sub 3 that there was a good chance I’d fade hard and I did. I also knew it might be leaving a minute or 2 out on the course if this happened. It happened. At the end of the day, I had to take the shot. What else are we doing this for? Sub 3 is the challenge that I needed to push me this year, just like it was a BQ 2 years ago. With that being said, it’s impossible for me not to dissect and second guess everything. I guess it’s just the way I am. I’m happy but I’m not satisfied.
But hey, it is still a time to be proud of(even though it would have been 3:02 with tight laces <_< ) and it is exciting that I’ll be running the Boston marathon in 2019! That’s awesome that it sounds like we might have group here going. I can’t wait! Actually, I can…can’t wait to recover and just run again. Get back to training for 5k to half marathons!
120/4238 OA & 22/269 AG
Definitely going to look to add Richmond on to my possible marathons in the future.
The shoelace thing is frustrating and I honestly think you handled it well. I get the trying to figure out if the other one is double knotted, but I think the best strategy is to let it go and wait and see if it becomes untied. If it does, it will already have untied which is less time when you stop to untie and retie.....because the un-tie part is done!
I generally don't use caffeinated shotbloks in training but I use them on the second half of races. It seems to help a little bit.
3 hour marathon is crazy fast and I only dream to get there, but realistically, that window is closed so I'll live vicariously through you. I think you absolutely have it in you, but you are right - So many things must go right at the marathon distance to PR at those paces.
Congrats on the race, PR and Boston! We will have to meet up in Boston 2019.
ChiefD
Footballguy
Man, reading @Hang 10's report and all the chatter, and then with @pbm107 getting ready to run one, really gets the juices flowing to want to run one again. Especially with the cool weather right now.
You guys are just on an incredible level of fitness and speed. I'd be happy to break 4 hours.
pbm - is your race this weekend? Do you have a bib # yet?
You guys are just on an incredible level of fitness and speed. I'd be happy to break 4 hours.
pbm - is your race this weekend? Do you have a bib # yet?
Hang 10
Footballguy
I'm sure you can relate having just run Chicago. You have a lot of time to think about #### during a marathon.First, let me say this is a great race report. Its like reading a novel where the main character is going through highs and lows.....and I feel every single moment.
Definitely going to look to add Richmond on to my possible marathons in the future.
The shoelace thing is frustrating and I honestly think you handled it well. I get the trying to figure out if the other one is double knotted, but I think the best strategy is to let it go and wait and see if it becomes untied. If it does, it will already have untied which is less time when you stop to untie and retie.....because the un-tie part is done!
I generally don't use caffeinated shotbloks in training but I use them on the second half of races. It seems to help a little bit.
3 hour marathon is crazy fast and I only dream to get there, but realistically, that window is closed so I'll live vicariously through you. I think you absolutely have it in you, but you are right - So many things must go right at the marathon distance to PR at those paces.
Congrats on the race, PR and Boston! We will have to meet up in Boston 2019.
Yeah, pretty much my thought process on the shoe lace. I've already stopped once, I'm not going to stop again unless I absolutely have to.
For me to run sub 3 this past weekend the stars would have had to align. Everything would have needed to go right. So that makes me just think that I need more of a cushion going into the next one. I remember @Juxtatarot and @pbm107 both having pretty decent cushions on those race predictors. If I recall correctly Juxt had already run a 1:21 half and PBM had just run 36 minute in the 10K. I need more miles and a full cycle and I'll have more margin for error next time.
Speaking of next time I think I may have picked out a spring marathon. The coastal Delaware marathon is the week after Boston this year. Makes a lot of sense for me as it's in driving distance and it would basically put me a year out from Boston 2019.
Can't wait to see you boys in Boston! Will be epic.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqUMan, reading @Hang 10's report and all the chatter, and then with @pbm107 getting ready to run one, really gets the juices flowing to want to run one again. Especially with the cool weather right now.
You guys are just on an incredible level of fitness and speed. I'd be happy to break 4 hours.
pbm - is your race this weekend? Do you have a bib # yet?
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Absolutely. I'm not sure how many times I'll qualify so I plan on running it when the opportunity arises.
My wife grew up in Boston and I lived there for 7+ years. Including a couple which I lived right on the marathon route. Its a special race to me.
ChiefD
Footballguy
This is no ####.
Exactly what I'm feeling right now. The run this weekend created some hope. Going to try and just do some short runs during the week for awhile and a really long run on the weekend. So this Sunday I may shoot for 13-14 just really slow miles. So may just do 3 or 4 days a week total.
Lifted some weights the other night, so I've started that process. Planks every day for awhile to try and build up the core.
SteelCurtain
Footballguy
Absolutely. I'm not sure how many times I'll qualify so I plan on running it when the opportunity arises.
My wife grew up in Boston and I lived there for 7+ years. Including a couple which I lived right on the marathon route. Its a special race to me.
