Randle-El agrees with Redskins (1 Viewer)

[UnknownCoach]

ESPN.com says its a 6 year deal, $ 31 million with a $10 million signing bonus. That is sick money for him, a great punt returner and a good gadget receiver. WOW.

This is why you dont sign average players coming off of a big superbowl performance.

 

[Spartans Rule]

ESPN.com says its a 6 year deal, $ 31 million with a $10 million signing bonus. That is sick money for him, a great punt returner and a good gadget receiver. WOW.

Holy ####. Who's his agent? If this is true, his phone's gonna be ringing off the hook.

 

[Festus]

ESPN.com says its a 6 year deal, $ 31 million with a $10 million signing bonus. That is sick money for him, a great punt returner and a good gadget receiver. WOW.

Holy ####. Who's his agent? If this is true, his phone's gonna be ringing off the hook.

If it's true, the market value of every crud receiver in the league just went up.

 

[imeimex]

John Clayton reports that the deal was confirmed approximately 30 minutes ago, I did not hear exact numbers.

 

[imeimex]

LOL, As ESPN says, Randle El got almost as many in millions as he had catches last year (31 Million vs. 35 catches)

 

[Sister Havana]

I am hoping that this isn't true. I haven't seen it on CBS or Fox Sports or Yahoo! sports...

 

[fatness]

Washington Post

Source Says Redskins Have Deal With Randle El

The Washington Redskins agreed to terms with Antwaan Randle El this afternoon, according to a source with knowledge of the situation, completing an overhaul of their receiver corps. Randle El, 26, will join Brandon Lloyd, 24, who was acquired from San Francisco on Friday, and Santana Moss as the Redskins attempt to improve their passing game in 2006.

The terms agreed upon are worth a maximum of $31 million over seven years with up to $11.5 million guaranteed in roster and signing bonuses, the source said.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Heh I don't get it. After making all kinds of huge offseason moves for years and still sucking, they finally had a good season after just leaving things alone and letting everyone gel...now here they go back to their ways of spending, probably once again with no results.

The Skins are like the Yankees except sucky.

Theres a difference. In the past they were going after old veterans who were past their prime. Here they are targetting young players who are only improving and signing them to long term deals.

 

[Assani Fisher]

How are the Skins signing these guys? Aren't they already over the cap?

Not laughing at you...just at the fact that everyone always wonders how they do it, and every year people expect them to not be able to sign anyone more.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Maybe it's just me, but Pittsburgh's WR's didn't seem any bigger than what Washington has now...

Pittsburgh also wasn't overspending on them.And while Ward isn't very tall, at 6'0, 215, he's built to go over the middle, make tough catches and take hits. Which of the Skins WRs can do that?

Moss. Also they have great TEs and H backs who can do just that, especially in the red zone.

 

[nightshift]

Washington Post

Source Says Redskins Have Deal With Randle El

The Washington Redskins agreed to terms with Antwaan Randle El this afternoon, according to a source with knowledge of the situation, completing an overhaul of their receiver corps. Randle El, 26, will join Brandon Lloyd, 24, who was acquired from San Francisco on Friday, and Santana Moss as the Redskins attempt to improve their passing game in 2006.

The terms agreed upon are worth a maximum of $31 million over seven years with up to $11.5 million guaranteed in roster and signing bonuses, the source said.

very nice to have Brunell now..

 

[Assani Fisher]

Gibbs loved to do the HB pass with Portis. Gotta be excited to see the trick plays he'll run with ARE.

 

[Gopher State]

Maybe the Skins will play Randle as QB, since they don't one now

 

[fatness]

Maybe the Skins will play Randle as QB, since they don't one now

Care to buy a word?

 

[blitzburgh2004]

Looks like the terms of the contract changed

Redskins | More about Randle El contract

Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:41:35 -0800

ESPN.com's Michael Smith reports Washington Redskins WR Antwaan Randle El's contract with the Redskins is actually a seven-year, $31 million deal that is voidable after the sixth year. It also included $11.5 million in bonuses.

 

[fatness]

When figuring out the cap hit, the bonuses get spread out over the length of the contract, don't they? That comes out to $1.7 million/year for the bonus.

 

[blitzburgh2004]

Just reported on Sirius NFL Radio, Washington has not confirmed any agreement with Randle El.

 

[Balco]

Wow, now that is an atrocious deal. 10 + mil signing bonus for a solid # 3 receiver? Unblievable.

 

[zamboni]

ESPN.com says its a 6 year deal, $ 31 million with a $10 million signing bonus. That is sick money for him, a great punt returner and a good gadget receiver. WOW.

This is why you dont sign average players coming off of a big superbowl performance.

Definitely some shred of truth to this. Neil O'Donnell (although he had a terrible Super Bowl) and Larry Brown are recent Super Bowl signees that flopped.

 

[Balco]

ESPN.com says its a 6 year deal, $ 31 million with a $10 million signing bonus. That is sick money for him, a great punt returner and a good gadget receiver. WOW.

This is why you dont sign average players coming off of a big superbowl performance.

Definitely some shred of truth to this. Neil O'Donnell (although he had a terrible Super Bowl) and Larry Brown are recent Super Bowl signees that flopped.

And the best comparison to Randle El: Desmond Howard. I cannot imagine what possessed the Redskins to blow that money on El. He will be lucky to see year 3 in this deal.

 

[The Dangler]

I'd have like him in a Bears uniform, but not for that money.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm never again looking at a single report from any source, ESPN, NFL, anything that spells out the amount of salary cap money a team has. The Redskins were so massively over the cap that even with their renegotiations and the new CBA they were just supposedly BARELY under, and by far the team with the least money available of the 32. Yet they're able to trade for Lloyd, bring in Randle El for WR1 money even though he's their WR2/3, and are supposedly very close to signing Archuleta.

 

[softball]

Randel El=Az Hakim.

This is a great signing for EL. A terrible one for the Skins.

 

[knowledge dropper]

How does this contract compare to Santana's?

 

[Z-Dog]

How are the Skins signing these guys? Aren't they already over the cap?

More importantly, which of these guys is going to be the X receiver? They got a bunch of flankers.Oakland tried this last year and it failed miserably.

I agree... this brings back memories of Wayne Fontes and Mouse Davis's ill-fated Silver Stretch Smurfs.ARE pretty much does all the same things as Moss, except not as well.

Or it could bring back memories of Branch, Givens, Brown and three Superbowl titles w/o a big WR in NE.

 

[Sidewinder16]

This is a great signing for EL. A terrible one for the Skins.

Seriously???2005 Redskins WRs <<< 2006 Redskins WRs

Why is everyone so fixated on the total contract numbers? Does anyone really think the 'Skins will ever see all that money hit their cap?

 

[Festus]

Randel El=Az Hakim.

This is a great signing for EL. A terrible one for the Skins.

I consider Randle El vastly superior to Az Hakim.

 

[Balco]

Randel El=Az Hakim.

This is a great signing for EL. A terrible one for the Skins.

I consider Randle El vastly superior to Az Hakim.

How do you figure? He definitely is not as good of a receiver.

 

[Marvelous]

I am not thrilled with this signing. However, I was not thrilled about Santana Moss, and that turned out great. Gibbs does get the benefit of the doubt based on his RECENT track record.

One thing about Randle El. He saves a roster spot since he will be both wr #3 and the kick returner. Gibbs has always believed NFL rosters are not nearly big enough.

 

[Lowen1]

I'm never again looking at a single report from any source, ESPN, NFL, anything that spells out the amount of salary cap money a team has. The Redskins were so massively over the cap that even with their renegotiations and the new CBA they were just supposedly BARELY under, and by far the team with the least money available of the 32. Yet they're able to trade for Lloyd, bring in Randle El for WR1 money even though he's their WR2/3, and are supposedly very close to signing Archuleta.

Woodrow, this is a post by Fatness from a few days ago - it does a nice job of explaining the Redskins and the cap. Don't you just wish someone in Philly thought this creatively about using cap dollars ...QUOTE

With the chances of an extension to the CBA looking in the balance for the last week, the Redskins could have been looking at an offseason of restraint instead of aggressive buying. However, when the owners agreed to the last obstacle in the way of a new labor agreement - a revenue sharing deal – on Wednesday evening, the Redskins were back in an “aggressive mood”.

With the new labor agreement now in place, the restrictions of the 30 percent rule and the prorating of bonus monies for only 4 years are washed away, so the Redskins can look at creating cap space to be an active player if free agency.

The first order of business is getting under the new cap limit for 2006 which has been set at $102.0m and we will start at the figure of $115.5m. Three occurrences have helped the Skins already without having to barely raise a finger:

* The mutually agreed release of LaVar Arrington and his killer contract (saving nearly $4.3m off his previous cap figure)

* The automatic spreading of option bonuses due in 2006 over the next 5 years instead of 4 (for those players who will have 5+ years left on their contracts after the options are exercised), saving $1.2m. The players involved Santana Moss ([body].350m savings), Chris Samuels ([body].350m), Casey Rabach ([body].1m) and Carlos Rogers ([body].4m), and

* The automatic voiding of likely to be earned (LTBE) incentive clauses tied to “no new CBA” in the contracts of Samuels ($3.5m), David Patten ([body].6m), Rabach ($1.6m) and Renaldo Wynn (0.4m), totalling $6.0m in savings.

The team has also tendered offers to three of its restricted free agents at the lower tender of [body].712m – Dockery, Jimoh and Chris Clemons.

This would leave the team at a cap figure of $105.4m, just $3.4m over the cap.

The Redskins also have 8 key players who have large roster bonuses due in 2006 (totalling $13.650m) that could be guaranteed and spread out over the remaining life of the contract or to 2010 if the tenure is longer. This move would result in a further $10.4m in savings for 2006, bringing the Redskins into cap compliance with $7m in cap space already created.

All this and the team has yet to cut or trade a player in the process.

So what other moves could assist in creating additional cap space and potential free agent dollars? Those likely to happen are the following:

* Patrick Ramsey could be traded (saving $1.7m)

* Brandon Noble ($1.7m), Cory Raymer ($1.0m), Matt Bowen ($2.0m), Tom Tupa ([body].6m) and Walt Harris ($2.0m) will probably be released within the next 48 hours (saving $7.3m)

* Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas could undertake a basic 2006 base salary to bonus conversion restructure in thier contracts that could save a further $5.1m.

If all these moves were made (allowing for replacement of released players under the Rule of 51), another $12.2m would be saved, pushing the projected cap number down to $19.2m below the NFL limit.

The Redskins may also be eligible for LTBE incentive cap credits carried over from 2005 would increase this gap even further.

 

[fatness]

2. Since he was so egregiously and publicly wrong, expect another column by Prisco (and from other writers who took similar public positions on the Skins being in "cap hell" this year) citing the recent Skins' signings as more examples of overpaying and moving money into future years that will put the Skins in cap hell.

Here we go. Pete Prisco today

Does that warrant a seven-year deal with $12 million in guaranteed money? Please. We know the Redskins are desperate for help to go with Santana Moss, but paying that kind of money for a guy who has never been a top receiver on his team is crazy -- Dan Snyder crazy.

 

[AB in DC]

Umm, who cares that it's a seven year deal? It's not like he's expected to be in Washington all seven years.

I'd bet this turn out to be more like 5 years, $20 million in real dollars.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'm never again looking at a single report from any source, ESPN, NFL, anything that spells out the amount of salary cap money a team has. The Redskins were so massively over the cap that even with their renegotiations and the new CBA they were just supposedly BARELY under, and by far the team with the least money available of the 32. Yet they're able to trade for Lloyd, bring in Randle El for WR1 money even though he's their WR2/3, and are supposedly very close to signing Archuleta.

I don't get this either. With the cap projected to $95-$95 million, there was speculation that the Skins were going to be mathematically unable to get under that number because the cap hits they were going to take by cutting guys would STILL have them over $94m. Now, with an expansion to $102m, suddenly they're out throwing $31 million contracts at Randle-El ? At the very least, the cap hit is going to be 2 million for El, even if his base salary this year is the league minimum. How are they doing this, if the previous reports were true? I had heard they were going to have 20 rookies on the roster this year, and now they're adding players?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Well, I just read Lowen1s post, which means either the guys reporting this were so far off that they should be fired, or the salary cap is really too easy to circumvent.

 

[AB in DC]

I don't get this either. With the cap projected to $95-$95 million, there was speculation that the Skins were going to be mathematically unable to get under that number because the cap hits they were going to take by cutting guys would STILL have them over $94m. Now, with an expansion to $102m, suddenly they're out throwing $31 million contracts at Randle-El ? At the very least, the cap hit is going to be 2 million for El, even if his base salary this year is the league minimum. How are they doing this, if the previous reports were true? I had heard they were going to have 20 rookies on the roster this year, and now they're adding players?

There's your problem.Plenty of other cap experts said the Skins would have no problem getting under the old cap. How this "mathematically impossible" b.s. started is a mystery.

There was a great post from scout.com that outlined this -- not sure if it was in this thread or another. Don't forget $4 million from Lavar Arrington, plus all the NLTBE incentives come off the cap when they would have counted w/o a new CBA.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Heh I don't get it. After making all kinds of huge offseason moves for years and still sucking, they finally had a good season after just leaving things alone and letting everyone gel...now here they go back to their ways of spending, probably once again with no results.

The Skins are like the Yankees except sucky.

So the Skins should've just stood pat with their current WRs?

 

[fatness]

So the Skins should've just stood pat with their current WRs?

The Skins are vastly stronger with their new WR's than with Jacobs and Thrash. Patten is still there, though I don't know how he'll fit with Moss, Lloyd, and Randle El.