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Randy Moss and Herman Moore (1 Viewer)

Moore's Numbers

                +--------------------------+-------------------------+                 |          Rushing         |        Receiving        |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards    Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1995 det |  16 |     0      0    0.0    0 |   123   1686 13.7   14 ||
As others have said, there is no comparison. Moss can't touch these numbers.
I wonder how many people realize Moore has had the best yardage year between these two...not many.
CODE +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 2003 min | 16 | 6 18 3.0 0 | 111 1632 14.7 17 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

You want to quibble over 12 receptions for 50 yards? I'll take the three extra TDs.
Who's quibbling? These are facts. :thumbup:
 
Herman MooreNew York Giants | WR | #82 College: Virginia Rookie Yr: 1991 Ht., Wt.: 6'4", 218 Randy MossOakland Raiders | WR | #18 College: Marshall Rookie Yr: 1998 Ht., Wt.: 6'4", 205 What is important here?

:popcorn:
They both played college in Virginia, Randy just played on the west side. That accounts for why they had different injuries. :yes:
 
In the past 25 years there have been some 90 WR who have excelled with regards to performance in the NFL.

Here is the distribution of heights for the 90 WR's.

5' 9" - 8

5' 10" - 5

5' 11" - 12

6' 0" - 19

6' 1" - 11

6' 2" - 12

6' 3" - 15

6' 4" - 5

6' 5" - 3

Here is the distribution of weights for the 90 WR's.

166-170 lbs. - 1

171-175 lbs. - 2

176-180 lbs. - 12

181-185 lbs. - 14

186-190 lbs. - 12

191-195 lbs. - 13

196-200 lbs. - 5

201-205 lbs. - 8

206-210 lbs. - 9

211-215 lbs. - 5

216-220 lbs. - 7

221-225 lbs. - 1

226-230 lbs. - 0

231-235 lbs. - 1

Of these 90, the average height was 6' 0.75", the average weight was 194.9 lbs., and their average playing time was 9.8 years.

The following 47 WR's are comparable to Randy Moss and Herman Moore in height, weight or both.

Cris Collinsworth, 6' 5", 192 lbs., 8 Years

James Lofton, 6' 3", 192 lbs., 17 Years

Torry Holt, 6' 1", 193 lbs., 7 Years

Derrick Mason, 5' 11", 193 lbs., 9 Years

Hines Ward, 6' 0", 194 lbs., 8 Years

Reggie Wayne, 6' 0", 195 lbs., 5 Years

Joe Horn, 6' 1", 199 lbs., 10 Years

Kevin Dyson, 6' 1", 201 lbs., 6 Years

Eric Moulds, 6' 0", 204 lbs., 10 Years

Chris Chambers, 5' 11", 210 lbs., 5 Years

David Boston, 6' 2", 210 lbs., 6 Years

Anquan Boldin, 6' 1", 216 lbs., 3 Years

Muhsin Muhammad, 6' 2", 217 lbs., 10 Years

Derrick Alexander, 6' 2", 195 lbs., 9 Years

Roy Green, 6' 0", 195 lbs., 14 Years

Tim Brown, 6' 0", 195 lbs., 17 Years

Tony Hill, 6' 2", 199 lbs., 10 Years

Irving Fryar, 6' 0", 200 lbs., 17 Years

Jerry Rice, 6' 2", 200 lbs., 20 Years

Haywood Jeffires, 6' 2", 201 lbs., 10 Years

Yancey Thigpen, 6' 1", 203 lbs., 10 Years

Carl Pickens, 6' 2", 206 lbs., 9 Years

Jimmy Smith, 6' 1", 206 lbs., 13 Years

Sterling Sharpe, 6' 0", 207 lbs., 7 Years

Eric Martin, 6' 1", 207 lbs., 10 Years

Michael Irvin, 6' 2", 207 lbs., 12 Years

Randy Moss, 6' 4", 197 lbs., 8 Years

Amani Toomer, 6' 3", 202 lbs., 10 Years

Keyshawn Johnson, 6' 3", 212 lbs., 10 Years

Javon Walker, 6' 3", 215 lbs., 4 Years

Michael Jenkins, 6' 4", 217 lbs., 2 Years

Terrell Owens, 6' 3", 217 lbs., 10 Years

Larry Fitzgerald, 6' 3", 223 lbs., 2 Years

Plaxico Burress, 6' 5", 231 lbs., 6 Years

Daryl Turner, 6' 3", 194 lbs., 4 Years

Michael Jackson, 6' 4", 195 lbs., 8 Years

Cris Carter, 6' 3", 202 lbs., 16 Years

Rob Moore, 6' 3", 203 lbs., 11 Years

Al Toon, 6' 4", 205 lbs., 8 Years

Herman Moore, 6' 4", 210 lbs., 11 Years

Art Monk, 6' 3", 210 lbs., 16 Years

Germane Crowell, 6' 3", 213 lbs., 5 Years

Marcus Robinson, 6' 3", 213 lbs., 8 Years

Ed McCaffrey, 6' 5", 215 lbs., 13 Years

Jake Reed, 6' 3", 216 lbs., 12 Years

Patrick Jeffers, 6' 3", 217 lbs., 5 Years

Michael Westbrook, 6' 3", 220 lbs., 8 Years

a) Of the WR's listed who were 6' 3" or taller, the average playing time was 8.8 years.

b) Of the WR's listed who were 193 lbs. or heavier, the average playing time was 9.2 years.

c) Of the WR's listed who were both 6' 3" or taller and 193 lbs. or heavier, the average playing time was 8.4 years.

Many of these figures are skewed low because 19 of the 47 WR's are still active, and their average playing time is only 6.9 years.

The sample size seems too small to me to draw any real conclusive evidence about longevity in the league.

 
In the past 25 years there have been some 90 WR who have excelled with regards to performance in the NFL.

Here is the distribution of heights for the 90 WR's.

5' 9" - 8

5' 10" - 5

5' 11" - 12

6' 0" - 19

6' 1" - 11

6' 2" - 12

6' 3" - 15

6' 4" - 5

6' 5" - 3

Here is the distribution of weights for the 90 WR's.

166-170 lbs. - 1

171-175 lbs. - 2

176-180 lbs. - 12

181-185 lbs. - 14

186-190 lbs. - 12

191-195 lbs. - 13

196-200 lbs. - 5

201-205 lbs. - 8

206-210 lbs. - 9

211-215 lbs. - 5

216-220 lbs. - 7

221-225 lbs. - 1

226-230 lbs. - 0

231-235 lbs. - 1

Of these 90, the average height was 6' 0.75", the average weight was 194.9 lbs., and their average playing time was 9.8 years.

The following 47 WR's are comparable to Randy Moss and Herman Moore in height, weight or both.

Cris Collinsworth, 6' 5", 192 lbs., 8 Years

James Lofton, 6' 3", 192 lbs., 17 Years

Torry Holt, 6' 1", 193 lbs., 7 Years

Derrick Mason, 5' 11", 193 lbs., 9 Years

Hines Ward, 6' 0", 194 lbs., 8 Years

Reggie Wayne, 6' 0", 195 lbs., 5 Years

Joe Horn, 6' 1", 199 lbs., 10 Years

Kevin Dyson, 6' 1", 201 lbs., 6 Years

Eric Moulds, 6' 0", 204 lbs., 10 Years

Chris Chambers, 5' 11", 210 lbs., 5 Years

David Boston, 6' 2", 210 lbs., 6 Years

Anquan Boldin, 6' 1", 216 lbs., 3 Years

Muhsin Muhammad, 6' 2", 217 lbs., 10 Years

Derrick Alexander, 6' 2", 195 lbs., 9 Years

Roy Green, 6' 0", 195 lbs., 14 Years

Tim Brown, 6' 0", 195 lbs., 17 Years

Tony Hill, 6' 2", 199 lbs., 10 Years

Irving Fryar, 6' 0", 200 lbs., 17 Years

Jerry Rice, 6' 2", 200 lbs., 20 Years

Haywood Jeffires, 6' 2", 201 lbs., 10 Years

Yancey Thigpen, 6' 1", 203 lbs., 10 Years

Carl Pickens, 6' 2", 206 lbs., 9 Years

Jimmy Smith, 6' 1", 206 lbs., 13 Years

Sterling Sharpe, 6' 0", 207 lbs., 7 Years

Eric Martin, 6' 1", 207 lbs., 10 Years

Michael Irvin, 6' 2", 207 lbs., 12 Years

Randy Moss, 6' 4", 197 lbs., 8 Years

Amani Toomer, 6' 3", 202 lbs., 10 Years

Keyshawn Johnson, 6' 3", 212 lbs., 10 Years

Javon Walker, 6' 3", 215 lbs., 4 Years

Michael Jenkins, 6' 4", 217 lbs., 2 Years

Terrell Owens, 6' 3", 217 lbs., 10 Years

Larry Fitzgerald, 6' 3", 223 lbs., 2 Years

Plaxico Burress, 6' 5", 231 lbs., 6 Years

Daryl Turner, 6' 3", 194 lbs., 4 Years

Michael Jackson, 6' 4", 195 lbs., 8 Years

Cris Carter, 6' 3", 202 lbs., 16 Years

Rob Moore, 6' 3", 203 lbs., 11 Years

Al Toon, 6' 4", 205 lbs., 8 Years

Herman Moore, 6' 4", 210 lbs., 11 Years

Art Monk, 6' 3", 210 lbs., 16 Years

Germane Crowell, 6' 3", 213 lbs., 5 Years

Marcus Robinson, 6' 3", 213 lbs., 8 Years

Ed McCaffrey, 6' 5", 215 lbs., 13 Years

Jake Reed, 6' 3", 216 lbs., 12 Years

Patrick Jeffers, 6' 3", 217 lbs., 5 Years

Michael Westbrook, 6' 3", 220 lbs., 8 Years

a) Of the WR's listed who were 6' 3" or taller, the average playing time was 8.8 years.

b) Of the WR's listed who were 193 lbs. or heavier, the average playing time was 9.2 years.

c) Of the WR's listed who were both 6' 3" or taller and 193 lbs. or heavier, the average playing time was 8.4 years.

Many of these figures are skewed low because 19 of the 47 WR's are still active, and their average playing time is only 6.9 years.

The sample size seems too small to me to draw any real conclusive evidence about longevity in the league.
Good info here. :thumbup: Still, I can't believe I actually read thru this entire thread to take only this tid bit of quality information. :cry:

 
Quick question...who is the last 6'4" WR to put up Pro Bowl numbers in their 30's???
:confused: Quick name the last 6'4" WR other than Moss or Moore to put up Pro Bowl numbers at any time in their career.

The fact is 6'4" WRs are rare. Because 6'4" is really freaking tall. You have found one guy to compare to Moss who was a good to great player and was the same height. The fact that Herman Moore's career fell off following his eighth season tells us absolutely nothing about Randy Moss' prospects for next year.

You are fighting a losing battle and would be best served by slinking off to a different thread and letting this one slide off the front page.
Just putting it out there tough guy...I think Moss' best days are over, but that's just me.
I agree. He is still a good player but his mortal lock on top 10, which he hasn't been in a while is over. Which means you will have to over pay to get him. I don't know if I agree with 6'4" means short pro life but Moss on the decline :thumbup:
 
Argue all of the distinguishing factors you want to, but the bottom line is that Moss will spend more and more time injured each year. For the games that he plays while hurt, he will not be an elite WR.

 
One good season and everyone will be slobbing on his knob again. I'm not going out of my way to target Randy Moss this year, however, I think it's premature to hammer the final nail in his coffin.

:banned:

 
I have been ridiculed since the Vikings' traded Moss as being a homer and defending the trade. But I said it then and I'll say it again, Moss is a fraction of what he use to be and definitely on the decline.

Buyers beware.
:goodposting: I have a feeling that persons on this messageboard have so much invested in Moss that they fail to see his decline in numbers, in addition to his his recent string of injuries...which just happen to be occuring around the same time Moore's decline and injuries came about.

Quick question...who is the last 6'4" WR to put up Pro Bowl numbers in their 30's???
Not 6'4 but TO had a great season when he was 31 years old. (He's 6'3)Edit: Heh, Dancing Bear has it covered.

 
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The following WR's who were 6' 3" or taller had the following Pro Bowls.

Larry Fitzgerald, 6' 3" - 1

Keyshawn Johnson, 6' 3" - 3

James Lofton, 6' 3" - 8

Art Monk, 6' 3" - 3

Rob Moore, 6' 3" - 2

Terrell Owens, 6' 3" - 5

Javon Walker, 6' 3" - 1

Herman Moore, 6' 4" - 4

Randy Moss, 6' 4" - 5

Al Toon, 6' 4" - 3

Cris Collinsworth, 6' 5" - 3

Ed McCaffrey, 6' 5" - 1

 
I decided to remove all active WR's from my Top 90 WR's. There were 29 active WR's, so there are 61 left and here's what I uncovered ...

Height - Number of WR's - Average Years Played

==== - ========== - ==============

5' 9" - 6 - 11.5

5' 10" - 4 - 11.0

5' 11" - 8 - 12.1

6' 0" - 12 - 10.8

6' 1" - 6 - 10.7

6' 2" - 10 - 11.8

6' 3" - 10 - 10.2

6' 4" - 3 - 9.0

6' 5" - 2 - 10.5

The overall average goes up to 10.8.

The sample size is pretty small at each height [especially at 6' 4" and 6' 5", but the 6' 4" height is showing a lower average time in the league by nearly 2 years. Funny that the guys at 6' 5" are pretty much on the average.

 
Your results are quite similar to a recent study that I did on Fireman and Fires. I've learned that fires that have more Fireman trying to put them out cause more damage than those with fewer Fireman. I've concluded that to reduce fire damage we need to send in fewer fireman; similar to you deducing that bc R. Moss is tall, his production is declining. It certainly couldn't be due to anything else. :yawn:
 
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What does this year have to do with Moss' health?
see post #13.
So the fact that the Raiders have their starting QB out, are having OL health and depth issues, and a coach that is calling plays circa 1985 has nothing to do with Moss' lower production. So all the accounts of Moss being healthy must be untrue and Moss is secretly banged up and is not doing well because he is tall and prone to lingering injuries. OK. Whatever.
 
What does this year have to do with Moss' health?
see post #13.
So the fact that the Raiders have their starting QB out, are having OL health and depth issues, and a coach that is calling plays circa 1985 has nothing to do with Moss' lower production. So all the accounts of Moss being healthy must be untrue and Moss is secretly banged up and is not doing well because he is tall and prone to lingering injuries. OK. Whatever.
Damn :goodposting:
 
What does this year have to do with Moss' health?
see post #13.
So the fact that the Raiders have their starting QB out, are having OL health and depth issues, and a coach that is calling plays circa 1985 has nothing to do with Moss' lower production. So all the accounts of Moss being healthy must be untrue and Moss is secretly banged up and is not doing well because he is tall and prone to lingering injuries. OK. Whatever.
Yes, I believe tall WRs have a tougher time playing at an elite level as they get closer to 30.
 
What does this year have to do with Moss' health?
see post #13.
So the fact that the Raiders have their starting QB out, are having OL health and depth issues, and a coach that is calling plays circa 1985 has nothing to do with Moss' lower production. So all the accounts of Moss being healthy must be untrue and Moss is secretly banged up and is not doing well because he is tall and prone to lingering injuries. OK. Whatever.
Yes, I believe tall WRs have a tougher time playing at an elite level as they get closer to 30.
Does this mean you're going to "tap" your posts where you said Ben Troupe was going to be one of the steals of the draft?
 
What does this year have to do with Moss' health?
see post #13.
Post 13
QUOTE(Carnifex @ Mar 23 2006, 02:04 PM)I think the point might be that once injuries started affecting Moore, he never recovered from the perspective of production. It looks like this is happening to Moss at roughly the same point in his career as it happened to Moore.
Ding Ding Ding.Bonus Question: Why does it make sense to compare Moore and Moss with respect to injuries?
I will admit to a bit of respect for LHUCKS for sticking to his belief even when there is absolutely nothing to back it up with. The fact that you keep bumping this thread is a testament to your ability to never question your initial assumptions.As David noted, Moss' performance so far this year has absolutely nothing to do with his health. Yet somehow, you see this as a reason to bring this thread up again. Moss is having a terrible year. It has absolutely nothing to do with any of the things you asserted in this thread. Which of these groups of factors do you think have most influenced Randy Moss' season (which is only three games in lenghth)Group AHis age His heightGroup BHis horrible offensive lineHis horrible quarterbacksThe fact that he has played Baltimore and San DiegoNow, I don't presume to speak for anyone but I would expect that the vast majority of people on this board would pick Group B as the more relevant group of facts influencing Randy Moss' production. You seem to still believe that Group A is the source of his struggles.I just don't get it. I honestly don't know what I could possibly say to express how frustrating it is to see you bump this thread as if the results of this season have somehow validated the absolutely ridiculous argument that you made. Please, just stop.Lay your head down on your desk.Make the pain go away.
 
I think the point might be that once injuries started affecting Moore, he never recovered from the perspective of production. It looks like this is happening to Moss at roughly the same point in his career as it happened to Moore.
Ding Ding Ding.Bonus Question: Why does it make sense to compare Moore and Moss with respect to injuries?
Your initial post is just posting statistics and asking if anyone sees a correlation. Get cold feet? You awaited this post by Carnifex reaffirming the belief, curiously unstated in post 1, that you think the injuries have had a similar affect on their career.Have you taken the time to look at their injury history? I do not see any posts by you where you allude to what injuries occurred for these WRs.

To refresh your memory-Randy Moss sufferred rib, pelvis, and groin injuries all in the same week and he would go on to have a less than stellar season complaining of these injuries and regularly being on the injury report. This summer Moss was not complaining about his own injuries but injuries to others and Shell's "two a days".

In 1999, Herman Moore tore the medial collateral ligament in his left knee in the first quarter of week 1. When a player wrecks his knee it is only natural to favor the leg that wasn't injured and is a common problem therapists work thru with their patients. Moore was rushed back(opinion) and wrecked his right knee later that season. His ability to walk with two wrecked knees was in question, nevermind playing the game. He never was the same player after that point, clearly losing his speed, sharp cutting ability, and "ups".

Please explain how you believe a healed pelvis, groin, and rib injury will hinder Moss's ability to run with speed, cut as sharply, and jump as high.

 
This thread reminds me so much of the great Stephen Colbert quote regarding President Bush.

He believes the same thing on Wednesday as he does on Monday.

Regardless of what happened on Tuesday.

LHUCKS believes that Randy Moss is going to struggle because he is tall and because he is nearing 30. Nothing about what happened so far this season related to the Raiders offensive line, quarterbacks, or difficult schedule will affect that opinion.

 
Last year Kevin Faulk broke his foot. This year Shaun Alexander broke HIS foot. Faulk has an "AU" in his name. Alexander has an "AU" in his name. THEREFORE . . . all RBs with "AU" appearing together in their names will break their feet.

 
Moore's Numbers

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                +--------------------------+-------------------------+                 |          Rushing         |        Receiving        |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards    Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1995 det |  16 |     0      0    0.0    0 |   123   1686 13.7   14 ||
As others have said, there is no comparison. Moss can't touch these numbers.
I wonder how many people realize Moore has had the best yardage year between these two...not many.
And Moss had #2, #3, #4, #5, and #6. :D
 
Last year Kevin Faulk broke his foot. This year Shaun Alexander broke HIS foot. Faulk has an "AU" in his name. Alexander has an "AU" in his name. THEREFORE . . . all RBs with "AU" appearing together in their names will break their feet.
David Yudkinbe careful :D

 
Last year Kevin Faulk broke his foot. This year Shaun Alexander broke HIS foot. Faulk has an "AU" in his name. Alexander has an "AU" in his name. THEREFORE . . . all RBs with "AU" appearing together in their names will break their feet.
You get no credit when DeShaun Foster breaks his foot.
 
What does this year have to do with Moss' health?
see post #13.
So the fact that the Raiders have their starting QB out, are having OL health and depth issues, and a coach that is calling plays circa 1985 has nothing to do with Moss' lower production. So all the accounts of Moss being healthy must be untrue and Moss is secretly banged up and is not doing well because he is tall and prone to lingering injuries. OK. Whatever.
Yes, I believe tall WRs have a tougher time playing at an elite level as they get closer to 30.
Does this mean you're going to "tap" your posts where you said Ben Troupe was going to be one of the steals of the draft?
Buy low on Troupe. ;)
 
Last year Kevin Faulk broke his foot. This year Shaun Alexander broke HIS foot. Faulk has an "AU" in his name. Alexander has an "AU" in his name. THEREFORE . . . all RBs with "AU" appearing together in their names will break their feet.
See, that's the thing about this thread that I actually like. If LHUCKS is going to make completely asinine assertions with absolutely no factualy backing then we all should get to do it.We could make it into a contest. If someone can come up with a more ridiculous comparison between two players with even less common characteristics than the Randy Moss = Herman Moore because they're both tall argument then they get a free FBG subscription.The trick is that you actually have to believe it.
 
I don't think injuries are holding Moss back. I think he just doesn't give a ****. I don't know what it takes to motivate a guy like Moss, but Art Shell hasn't found it yet.

Moss runs some of the laziest routes I have seen from a WR this year. He did the same thing last year, but at least had the injury excuse going for him. It's like he is just coasting out on the field and never puts it into high gear. He seems to have lost his competitive drive, if he ever had any.

 
Last year Kevin Faulk broke his foot. This year Shaun Alexander broke HIS foot. Faulk has an "AU" in his name. Alexander has an "AU" in his name. THEREFORE . . . all RBs with "AU" appearing together in their names will break their feet.
So are saying that I shouldn't be trading for Laurence Maroney? ;)
 

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