Randy Moss from here on out (1 Viewer)

[pizzatyme]

Uncle Leo is right. I mean, Matt Cassell is no Todd Bouman guys. Moss can't succeed without a stellar QB, obviously. He's only done well in the past because he's played with future hall of famers like Daunte Culpepper, Gus Frerotte, Todd Bouman, Brad Johnson, and Jeff George.

All the players you mentioned are way better than Cassel. A player that has not started a game since High School.

So you're telling me BB has him #2 on the depth chart because he's talentless? Makes sense....

I seem to recall a game last year where Cassell went in up something like 28 points and tossed a pick. Only to be pulled and replaced by Brady. Yeah, they know they've got a good thing in Cassell!

 

[gman8343]

Wish I were in a league with all these people predicting Moss' demise

I don't think people are predicting Moss's demise - they are saying his numbers take a hit, which is a huge difference. Instead of being the clear cut #1 WR, he now could end up a little lower and any shot of replicating last year's numbers are all but gone. I don't see how anyone would expect Randy Moss to put up 20+ TDs now, do you? He will still be great, but he just got pulled back to the pack a little.Does this make sense?

 

[thejag]

I forsee the Pats really go into a shell offensively and play to hold onto the football, especially early on until they see how things work out. Lots of runs, short passes, and safe screens. The occasional deep ball, but I doubt they will have him throwing into traffic very often.Moss caught 3 balls for 66 yards and a TD (with 51 coming on one play). Moss had 3 receptions for 50 yards in 7 minutes with Brady.When Brady replaced Bledsoe 7 years ago, he only put up 2800 yards and 18 TD. Certainly this Pats offense is more potent than that one, but I would guess Cassell (if he stays the starter all season) would be in the 3000-3200 range with 18-20 TD.Given that, I don't see how Moss doesn't take a big hit.If Cassell DOES do way better than that, the talk of the Pats being in dire straits are going to prove to be way overblown.

If Cassell reaches these numbers, he would be the #8 QB according to DDs projections. While certainly a drop from Brady, I'd take that off the WW.Of course, that is IF he plays the season out and IF he reaches those numbers. We shall see.

 

[David Yudkin]

Hey David, why was Cassell a rumored cut at one point this summer? Can't recall. Is it relevant as a concern now?

He looked lost in preseason games, but that was slightly exaggerated not playing with the full first team and not with a full paybook. What's interesting is now that he will be the starter (at least for the foreseeable future), he probably won't run the entire playbook even though that was one of the reasons they kept him.The other option was Gutierrez, and he looked better int he preseason games for the most part than Cassell did. But the staff likes what they've seen from Cassell in three years of practice, so they stuck with him.I also wonder if they will put O'Connell on a faster track to seeing live action. He looked good in the preseason games (but again who knows if that is really representative of much).

 

[Raider Nation]

Well this isn't good. 1 catch for 8 yards well into the 4th Q.

And as long as they have leads, he'll be even more of a non-factor.

 

[timschochet]

I think Moss is going to drop. I think the WRs to have are, in no particular order, Owens, Burress, Brandon Marshall, Fitzgerald, and Calvin Johnson. I predict these will be the top 5 at the end of the year. I wouldn't trade a single one of them for Moss at this point.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think Moss is going to drop. I think the WRs to have are, in no particular order, Owens, Burress, Brandon Marshall, Fitzgerald, and Calvin Johnson. I predict these will be the top 5 at the end of the year. I wouldn't trade a single one of them for Moss at this point.

Unless Marshall or Buress get hurt, they'll be 1 and 2 IMO. I'm a huge Buress (Go MSU) advocate, the guy is simply a stud.

 

[NatronIsMean]

I think Cassel is a lame #### who lacks any sort of gonads that would allow for throwing the ball downfield. He threw deep what, once or twice? Dude should have a sex change and just get it over with. Way to (not) use your best offensive weapon, loser.

Yes, it's going to be a long year as a Moss owner. He'll be very boom or bust with a MUCH lower upside than could have been imagined...

 

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I think Cassel is a lame #### who lacks any sort of gonads that would allow for throwing the ball downfield. He threw deep what, once or twice? Dude should have a sex change and just get it over with. Way to (not) use your best offensive weapon, loser.Yes, it's going to be a long year as a Moss owner. He'll be very boom or bust with a MUCH lower upside than could have been imagined...

 

[GoBirds]

I think Cassel is a lame #### who lacks any sort of gonads that would allow for throwing the ball downfield. He threw deep what, once or twice? Dude should have a sex change and just get it over with. Way to (not) use your best offensive weapon, loser.Yes, it's going to be a long year as a Moss owner. He'll be very boom or bust with a MUCH lower upside than could have been imagined...

Hopefully in games when they are trailing it will be a different story. It has to get better......right?

 

[Vykng]

Well I'm in panic mode, offered Moss and A.Gonzo for Marshall, got rejected.

I'm guessing everyone else is staying away from him too.

 

[NatronIsMean]

I think Cassel is a lame #### who lacks any sort of gonads that would allow for throwing the ball downfield. He threw deep what, once or twice? Dude should have a sex change and just get it over with. Way to (not) use your best offensive weapon, loser.Yes, it's going to be a long year as a Moss owner. He'll be very boom or bust with a MUCH lower upside than could have been imagined...

Hopefully in games when they are trailing it will be a different story. It has to get better......right?

Problem is, they play the EASIEST schedule in the league (terrible division) and have a very good defense. It sucks... but they can probably dink and dunk their way to victory most weeks. I think us Moss owners need a bit of luck - if you get a TD in the next game or two (maybe 2 straight with a TD), don't get hopeful - get SMART and unload him for a top RB or WR who is down for less logical reasons. That's my hope. I just want no part of relying on Bellicheck and Cassel.

 

[NatronIsMean]

I just looked at Moss's schedule:

MIA

BYE

@SF

@SD

DEN

STL

NE should be able to sleepwalk their way to wins against MIA and SF. Lets hope that in one of those Moss gets a TD anyway. I think against SD and DEN, NE will need Moss to come through. If he does, it may be unload time unless Cassel shows us anything that leads one to believe that he will consistently go to Moss.

 

[jurb26]

I'm a little disturbed that Cassel missed Moss when he was wide open and behind the defense by 5+ yards. Still, I think Cassel will be fine and so will Moss. Still should be a top 5 WR. NE will need more from the passing game to win as the year goes on.

 

[Eat Sleep Sports]

I'm a little disturbed that Cassel missed Moss when he was wide open and behind the defense by 5+ yards. Still, I think Cassel will be fine and so will Moss. Still should be a top 5 WR. NE will need more from the passing game to win as the year goes on.

Looked like he had no arm strength on that play. Perhaps it was because he saw a defender coming at him hard and rushed the throw...?

 

[Statler & Waldorf]

I'm a little disturbed that Cassel missed Moss when he was wide open and behind the defense by 5+ yards. Still, I think Cassel will be fine and so will Moss. Still should be a top 5 WR. NE will need more from the passing game to win as the year goes on.

While it was a little underthrown, Moss should have caught that ball. In and out of his arms. It would have been nice to catch him in stride, but it's Cassel's first game.

 

[jurb26]

I'm a little disturbed that Cassel missed Moss when he was wide open and behind the defense by 5+ yards. Still, I think Cassel will be fine and so will Moss. Still should be a top 5 WR. NE will need more from the passing game to win as the year goes on.

While it was a little underthrown, Moss should have caught that ball. In and out of his arms. It would have been nice to catch him in stride, but it's Cassel's first game.

Reeves got his hand in to knock it out or else it would have been caught. Bottom line is that it could have been a TD with even an average throw.

 

[Eat Sleep Sports]

I think Cassel is a lame #### who lacks any sort of gonads that would allow for throwing the ball downfield. He threw deep what, once or twice? Dude should have a sex change and just get it over with. Way to (not) use your best offensive weapon, loser.Yes, it's going to be a long year as a Moss owner. He'll be very boom or bust with a MUCH lower upside than could have been imagined...

Hopefully in games when they are trailing it will be a different story. It has to get better......right?

Problem is, they play the EASIEST schedule in the league (terrible division) and have a very good defense. It sucks... but they can probably dink and dunk their way to victory most weeks. I think us Moss owners need a bit of luck - if you get a TD in the next game or two (maybe 2 straight with a TD), don't get hopeful - get SMART and unload him for a top RB or WR who is down for less logical reasons. That's my hope. I just want no part of relying on Bellicheck and Cassel.

Bills are looking pretty good so far. I'd say the NFC West is the worst division.

 

[LivingTheDream]

I'm a little disturbed that Cassel missed Moss when he was wide open and behind the defense by 5+ yards. Still, I think Cassel will be fine and so will Moss. Still should be a top 5 WR. NE will need more from the passing game to win as the year goes on.

I'm a Moss owner and I'd take: TO, Marshall, Calvin, Dre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Steve Smith, Burress, and Wayne over him. If he finishes in the top 10, I'd be happy. New England went from fantasy dream to the fantasy abyss.

 

[NatronIsMean]

I'm a little disturbed that Cassel missed Moss when he was wide open and behind the defense by 5+ yards. Still, I think Cassel will be fine and so will Moss. Still should be a top 5 WR. NE will need more from the passing game to win as the year goes on.

I'm a Moss owner and I'd take: TO, Marshall, Calvin, Dre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Steve Smith, Burress, and Wayne over him. If he finishes in the top 10, I'd be happy. New England went from fantasy dream to the fantasy abyss.

I agree. I'm down on Moss/NE. I wish I wasn't, but I just don't want to rely on potential noodle-arm Cassel. I'll need some good games to get his value up, but am certainly aiming to move Moss if possible for the right value. I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

 

[hooter311]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

 

[two_dollars]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

So you think Moss will still put up top 10 numbers by year's end?

 

[NatronIsMean]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

Insightful contrary argument. If you're not down on Moss that's cool, but a condescending one-liner doesn't impress anyone.

 

[biggyd]

I think Cassel is a lame #### who lacks any sort of gonads that would allow for throwing the ball downfield. He threw deep what, once or twice? Dude should have a sex change and just get it over with. Way to (not) use your best offensive weapon, loser.Yes, it's going to be a long year as a Moss owner. He'll be very boom or bust with a MUCH lower upside than could have been imagined...

 

[jurb26]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

Insightful contrary argument. If you're not down on Moss that's cool, but a condescending one-liner doesn't impress anyone.

What exactly was condescending about his post?

 

[Raider Nation]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

 

[NatronIsMean]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

I understand that it sounds nuts, but I would wager a bet that Marshall ends the year with better numbers than Moss. I'm just unnaturally high on Marshall I suppose.

 

[Raider Nation]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

I understand that it sounds nuts, but I would wager a bet that Marshall ends the year with better numbers than Moss. I'm just unnaturally high on Marshall I suppose.

I think maybe you misunderstood me.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

Insightful contrary argument. If you're not down on Moss that's cool, but a condescending one-liner doesn't impress anyone.

It impressed me.Then again, I was impressed by Shanahan twisting the knife on the Chargers, so you know...

 

[hooter311]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

So you think Moss will still put up top 10 numbers by year's end?

Yes. He was one poor throw away from being on pace for top 5 numbers yet. He know he can't act up under Belichek, he wants to be part of the Patriots organization and is far enough in to his career that he is not going to tank this season. It has been proven throughout his career that when he is motivated, he puts up monster numbers. He still has arguably the best hands in the league, players like Edwards and Owens would be downgraded a lot further with this drastic of a change in QBs. Moss will work out his timing and rhythm and make the necessary adjustments. He did miss some practice time this last week and he has obviously gotten a little spoiled by Brady's arm over the last season. Cassel's lack of a cannon probably limits his potential to be a top 5 WR, but barring injury there is no way he finishes out of the top 10 this season.They are still a 2-0 team with the same system in place that crushed all the scoring records last season. Moss had 100+ yards and a TD last game with mostly Cassel at the helm and people are labeling New England a fantasy "abyss" after one low scoring game.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

Insightful contrary argument. If you're not down on Moss that's cool, but a condescending one-liner doesn't impress anyone.

What exactly was condescending about his post?

I guess "snarky" might be a better description. If you enjoy those posts, I've got no problem with it. I just would like to hear more of hooter's thoughts honestly - I'm interested in the optimist's view on Moss. Looking back at that, my response was a little on the "unnecessarily combative" side. Sorry bout that, hooter - just looking for more details from your perspective--

 

[NatronIsMean]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

I understand that it sounds nuts, but I would wager a bet that Marshall ends the year with better numbers than Moss. I'm just unnaturally high on Marshall I suppose.

I think maybe you misunderstood me.

Ah, so I guess we agree...!

 

[ourmanflint]

The running game received the expected bump.

Welker seems to still have legitimate value...I think most felt Welker's production would be down.

The defense was stout. I think BB will be conservative when his defense plays this well and until his new QB gets some experience and much needed confidence.

That said...Moss has still had his looks the last 2 weeks. This week the big pass wasn't as well thrown.

I think Moss will be fine...may take some patience eh?

 

[Wreckincrew]

Anyone know how many targets Moss had?

 

[Raider Nation]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

I understand that it sounds nuts, but I would wager a bet that Marshall ends the year with better numbers than Moss. I'm just unnaturally high on Marshall I suppose.

I think maybe you misunderstood me.

Ah, so I guess we agree...!

Very much so. I own Marshall. If the Moss owner offered him straight up, I don't think I'd even reply.

 

[FavreCo]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

as a Marshall owner I would in a redraft and in a dynasty.

 

[Marc Levin]

I thank god that, in the league I have Moss, I have Cal John and Plex. That said, I am very very scared for Moss' numbers this year. I really don't like Cassel - how many shots did he take downfield to Moss? All he really needs to do is put it high enough and deep enough for moss to run under it - and I will bet he sees way more than 4 or 5 targets next week.

 

[hooter311]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

Insightful contrary argument. If you're not down on Moss that's cool, but a condescending one-liner doesn't impress anyone.

I wasn't trying to impress anyone, I was trying to keep it real. People drafted him #1 WR overall and now they seem willing to fork him over for anyone in the top 15 after one poor week of stats. He still got some looks and he's not nursing any injuries. You can't expect the consistency of top WRs the way you can out of other positions.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

So you think Moss will still put up top 10 numbers by year's end?

Yes. He was one poor throw away from being on pace for top 5 numbers yet. He know he can't act up under Belichek, he wants to be part of the Patriots organization and is far enough in to his career that he is not going to tank this season. It has been proven throughout his career that when he is motivated, he puts up monster numbers. He still has arguably the best hands in the league, players like Edwards and Owens would be downgraded a lot further with this drastic of a change in QBs. Moss will work out his timing and rhythm and make the necessary adjustments. He did miss some practice time this last week and he has obviously gotten a little spoiled by Brady's arm over the last season. Cassel's lack of a cannon probably limits his potential to be a top 5 WR, but barring injury there is no way he finishes out of the top 10 this season.They are still a 2-0 team with the same system in place that crushed all the scoring records last season. Moss had 100+ yards and a TD last game with mostly Cassel at the helm and people are labeling New England a fantasy "abyss" after one low scoring game.

Appreciate the thoughts, hooter - good stuff. I haven't ever owner Moss before and know very little about the inside view of this. I just know the high level perspective and am worried (as you mention) about his potential attitude issues once frustrated, Cassel's relative Pennington arm, and NE no longer being interested in rolling teams by 30 points for fun. I can buy that he won't take it with Belichek and co. I just hope that Cassel can do enough to keep Moss "consistent". Last thing any of us need is a higher-end Kevin Curtis...

 

[ourmanflint]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

I understand that it sounds nuts, but I would wager a bet that Marshall ends the year with better numbers than Moss. I'm just unnaturally high on Marshall I suppose.

Wow...Marshall also appears to be in one of this year's very special offenses. This looks like a freight train thru 2 weeks.No comparison to Moss's situation.

 

[LivingTheDream]

The running game received the expected bump.Welker seems to still have legitimate value...I think most felt Welker's production would be down.The defense was stout. I think BB will be conservative when his defense plays this well and until his new QB gets some experience and much needed confidence.That said...Moss has still had his looks the last 2 weeks. This week the big pass wasn't as well thrown.I think Moss will be fine...may take some patience eh?

He'll be "fine" I guess. But I'm not expecting much more than 1100 yards and 10 TDs. That's not numbers you expect from a top 10 pick...This is a completely different offense now. Look at what Moss did to the Jets last year in the beginning of the season (The end of the year game was in a blizzard).

 

[hooter311]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

Insightful contrary argument. If you're not down on Moss that's cool, but a condescending one-liner doesn't impress anyone.

What exactly was condescending about his post?

I guess "snarky" might be a better description. If you enjoy those posts, I've got no problem with it. I just would like to hear more of hooter's thoughts honestly - I'm interested in the optimist's view on Moss. Looking back at that, my response was a little on the "unnecessarily combative" side. Sorry bout that, hooter - just looking for more details from your perspective--

No need for an apology. I posted my reasoning for your analysis.

 

[ourmanflint]

The running game received the expected bump.

Welker seems to still have legitimate value...I think most felt Welker's production would be down.

The defense was stout. I think BB will be conservative when his defense plays this well and until his new QB gets some experience and much needed confidence.

That said...Moss has still had his looks the last 2 weeks. This week the big pass wasn't as well thrown.

I think Moss will be fine...may take some patience eh?

He'll be "fine" I guess. But I'm not expecting much more than 1100 yards and 10 TDs. That's not numbers you expect from a top 10 pick...This is a completely different offense now. Look at what Moss did to the Jets last year in the beginning of the season (The end of the year game was in a blizzard).

No doubt. But he was a "little extra umph" away from a 2nd consecutive decent week. This was a different game plan. Let's see what happens when BB is comfortable with Cassell and Cassell has a bit more experience.

 

[David Yudkin]

They are still a 2-0 team with the same system in place that crushed all the scoring records last season. Moss had 100+ yards and a TD last game with mostly Cassel at the helm and people are labeling New England a fantasy "abyss" after one low scoring game.

Moss with Brady: 3 catches for 50 yards in 7 minutes and 33 seconds.Moss with Cassel: 3 catches for 66 yards in 52 minutes and 27 seconds.I mentioned last week that Moss would suffer but Welker would not, but most people suggested the oppostite.The Pats will continue to play a conservative brand of football and be happy to win 20-10 rather than get into 34-28 games. They will settle for field goals over forcing the ball in for TDs and risking an interception, and they would rather punt than come close to a turnover.That could change if they get behind, but so far they haven't been behind.After Brady went down they were roughly 55% run and 45% pass last week. They had the same ratio this week.IMO, people are wishing Moss will be valuable than he really is at this point. He will still see some targets, red zone looks, and a few deep balls, but I doubt Cassel will be allowed to throw anywhere near as much as Brady. We may see Cassel get some more to work with against some of the weaker teams, but I still don't see him with 400/4 like Brady would do on occasion last year.I keep pointing to Brady's first year starting: 2846/18. If the Pats get that from Cassel I doubt they will be complaining as long as they win.

 

[hooter311]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

So you think Moss will still put up top 10 numbers by year's end?

Yes. He was one poor throw away from being on pace for top 5 numbers yet. He know he can't act up under Belichek, he wants to be part of the Patriots organization and is far enough in to his career that he is not going to tank this season. It has been proven throughout his career that when he is motivated, he puts up monster numbers. He still has arguably the best hands in the league, players like Edwards and Owens would be downgraded a lot further with this drastic of a change in QBs. Moss will work out his timing and rhythm and make the necessary adjustments. He did miss some practice time this last week and he has obviously gotten a little spoiled by Brady's arm over the last season. Cassel's lack of a cannon probably limits his potential to be a top 5 WR, but barring injury there is no way he finishes out of the top 10 this season.They are still a 2-0 team with the same system in place that crushed all the scoring records last season. Moss had 100+ yards and a TD last game with mostly Cassel at the helm and people are labeling New England a fantasy "abyss" after one low scoring game.

Appreciate the thoughts, hooter - good stuff. I haven't ever owner Moss before and know very little about the inside view of this. I just know the high level perspective and am worried (as you mention) about his potential attitude issues once frustrated, Cassel's relative Pennington arm, and NE no longer being interested in rolling teams by 30 points for fun. I can buy that he won't take it with Belichek and co. I just hope that Cassel can do enough to keep Moss "consistent". Last thing any of us need is a higher-end Kevin Curtis...

Another thing to consider.Moss had 6 games last season with under 60 yards receiving, and that was in a record breaking year. Granted he did score in all but 2 of those 6, but he would have scored today too if not for that incredibly bad throw.

 

[hooter311]

They are still a 2-0 team with the same system in place that crushed all the scoring records last season. Moss had 100+ yards and a TD last game with mostly Cassel at the helm and people are labeling New England a fantasy "abyss" after one low scoring game.

Moss with Brady: 3 catches for 50 yards in 7 minutes and 33 seconds.Moss with Cassel: 3 catches for 66 yards in 52 minutes and 27 seconds.I mentioned last week that Moss would suffer but Welker would not, but most people suggested the oppostite.The Pats will continue to play a conservative brand of football and be happy to win 20-10 rather than get into 34-28 games. They will settle for field goals over forcing the ball in for TDs and risking an interception, and they would rather punt than come close to a turnover.That could change if they get behind, but so far they haven't been behind.After Brady went down they were roughly 55% run and 45% pass last week. They had the same ratio this week.IMO, people are wishing Moss will be valuable than he really is at this point. He will still see some targets, red zone looks, and a few deep balls, but I doubt Cassel will be allowed to throw anywhere near as much as Brady. We may see Cassel get some more to work with against some of the weaker teams, but I still don't see him with 400/4 like Brady would do on occasion last year.I keep pointing to Brady's first year starting: 2846/18. If the Pats get that from Cassel I doubt they will be complaining as long as they win.

I agree with all your thoughts here. Cassel's ceiling is about half of Brady's production last year. But that offense was designed to put the ball in Moss's hands and let him score, just as much as it was about letting Brady air it out. Brady benefited by Moss demanding so much attention that he could distribute the ball freely. Without Brady's arm Moss is not going to require nearly as much attention and besides Welker I don't think any other Patriot WR or TE should be considered a fantasy option. They will find a way to put Moss in the end zone because it will keep him happy and win games.

 

[NeverEnough]

Some incredible overreacting in this thread.

So you think Moss will still put up top 10 numbers by year's end?

Yes. He was one poor throw away from being on pace for top 5 numbers yet. He know he can't act up under Belichek, he wants to be part of the Patriots organization and is far enough in to his career that he is not going to tank this season. It has been proven throughout his career that when he is motivated, he puts up monster numbers. He still has arguably the best hands in the league, players like Edwards and Owens would be downgraded a lot further with this drastic of a change in QBs. Moss will work out his timing and rhythm and make the necessary adjustments. He did miss some practice time this last week and he has obviously gotten a little spoiled by Brady's arm over the last season. Cassel's lack of a cannon probably limits his potential to be a top 5 WR, but barring injury there is no way he finishes out of the top 10 this season.They are still a 2-0 team with the same system in place that crushed all the scoring records last season. Moss had 100+ yards and a TD last game with mostly Cassel at the helm and people are labeling New England a fantasy "abyss" after one low scoring game.

Appreciate the thoughts, hooter - good stuff. I haven't ever owner Moss before and know very little about the inside view of this. I just know the high level perspective and am worried (as you mention) about his potential attitude issues once frustrated, Cassel's relative Pennington arm, and NE no longer being interested in rolling teams by 30 points for fun. I can buy that he won't take it with Belichek and co. I just hope that Cassel can do enough to keep Moss "consistent". Last thing any of us need is a higher-end Kevin Curtis...

Another thing to consider.Moss had 6 games last season with under 60 yards receiving, and that was in a record breaking year. Granted he did score in all but 2 of those 6, but he would have scored today too if not for that incredibly bad throw.

Wasn't Cassel hit as he threw?

 

[Liquid Tension]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

I understand that it sounds nuts, but I would wager a bet that Marshall ends the year with better numbers than Moss. I'm just unnaturally high on Marshall I suppose.

I think maybe you misunderstood me.

Ah, so I guess we agree...!

Very much so. I own Marshall. If the Moss owner offered him straight up, I don't think I'd even reply.

To say offering Moss is an insult is absurd. I would not be surprised if Moss outscores Marshall this year. Even in Dynasty knowing Brady will be back, you have to figure Moss could outscore Marshall as well for the next few years...Being insulted is crazy though

 

[Raider Nation]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

I understand that it sounds nuts, but I would wager a bet that Marshall ends the year with better numbers than Moss. I'm just unnaturally high on Marshall I suppose.

I think maybe you misunderstood me.

Ah, so I guess we agree...!

Very much so. I own Marshall. If the Moss owner offered him straight up, I don't think I'd even reply.

To say offering Moss is an insult is absurd. I would not be surprised if Moss outscores Marshall this year. Even in Dynasty knowing Brady will be back, you have to figure Moss could outscore Marshall as well for the next few years...Being insulted is crazy though

It is JMO... what can I tell ya? I will say this. *If both players stay healthy*, there is no chance Moss outscores Marshall the rest of this year.And I made no mention of dynasty, though I'd still take Marshall.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I would love a Moss for Marshall, but I know the Marshall owner and he's on Brandon's jock hard.

Offering Moss for Marshall 1 for 1 right now is nothing short of an insult.

I understand that it sounds nuts, but I would wager a bet that Marshall ends the year with better numbers than Moss. I'm just unnaturally high on Marshall I suppose.

I think maybe you misunderstood me.

Ah, so I guess we agree...!

Very much so. I own Marshall. If the Moss owner offered him straight up, I don't think I'd even reply.

To say offering Moss is an insult is absurd. I would not be surprised if Moss outscores Marshall this year. Even in Dynasty knowing Brady will be back, you have to figure Moss could outscore Marshall as well for the next few years...Being insulted is crazy though

It is JMO... what can I tell ya? I will say this. *If both players stay healthy*, there is no chance Moss outscores Marshall the rest of this year.And I made no mention of dynasty, though I'd still take Marshall.

Anyone who gives up Marshall straight up for Moss is not paying attention to things. There is no debating that he is far more valuable and that Moss is a downgrade.