How does Moss compare skill wize now at 30 years old ,to how he was 5 years ago in your opinion? I think he has lost a lot of his explosiveness and speed. He does not get the seperation from DB's like he used to. Even when he is trying he struggles to get by DB's the way he used to.
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Randy Moss Skill Wize Compared to 5 years ago (1 Viewer)
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Garts
Footballguy
Too one-dimensional now.Or wasn't he always?
I think he just needs a change of scenery. He has lost all his motivation - and can you really blame him? The Raiders are probably the worst organization in football.
Hell last year they had a manager of a bed and breakfast running their offense. They benched a guy who during the two previous years had combined for 1950 yards and 14TD's because he wanted to work out at home in the off season.
Put Moss in the right situation I think he is top 10 WR again.
WR is not like RB. 30 is not the doomsday age for WR's. I think the elite ones can be productive well into their mid 30's.
Of course I hope what I am saying is all true since I have him on my dynasty team.
Hell last year they had a manager of a bed and breakfast running their offense. They benched a guy who during the two previous years had combined for 1950 yards and 14TD's because he wanted to work out at home in the off season.
Put Moss in the right situation I think he is top 10 WR again.
WR is not like RB. 30 is not the doomsday age for WR's. I think the elite ones can be productive well into their mid 30's.
Of course I hope what I am saying is all true since I have him on my dynasty team.
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lions327
Footballguy
redman
Footballguy
I'm always suspicious of guys who rely upon unbelievable physical ability but who aren't known for their work ethic. They have no fallback plan when they start to age and lose their physical skills.
As others have said, Moss hasn't improved his route running skills since when he was a rookie. For years he didn't need to but now that he could use an extra step that a well-run route could give him, he doesn't have that in his arsenal.
As others have said, Moss hasn't improved his route running skills since when he was a rookie. For years he didn't need to but now that he could use an extra step that a well-run route could give him, he doesn't have that in his arsenal.
is it just me or has randy looked thicker the last few years? i guess it could be from either adding muscle, adding fat, or just physically maturing and 'filling out'. regardless of which one of those is the reason (if he has in fact gained weight), it wouldn't surprise me if he has slowed down some. i don't know how much being a little slower really would affect his effectiveness. i think a big factor may be that the game has evolved since his first few years in the league to where you don't see teams frequently chucking the ball deep. i think it has a lot to do with pass protection and qb's having the time consistently for the deep routes to develop. you either get sacked or flushed out before the play develops or if he doesn't burn his man and is not covered over the top by the safety then you either have to throw it up for grabs or throw it away or try to find another reciever. i think most offenses are more conservative and prefer to not throw it up for grabs a whole lot. also i think defenses know that randy is all about going deep so that is what they take away from him. with his height and 'nose for the ball' he is still very good at adjusting to deep balls when he is covered and just plays the ball a lot better than most db's. so personally, i think throwing it for grabs to randy is actually a pretty good play when he has single coverage. i'm not sure but i doubt he gets single coverage deep that much or when he does the def blitzes so the qb usually wont have time to get it to him. i really didn't watch the raiders much this year so i don't really know exactly what is going on. i'm just speculating on some possibilities.
the raiders have been such a joke that it's hard to say how much randy is to blame and how much his situation is to blame for his drop in production. i personally think randy started with a bad reputation and many people just take everything he does and mold it into that bad rep. has he really ever done anything that bad? a lot of his criticism has come from him being honest in interviews where the vast majority of guys lie and give politically correct answers all the time and randy tells the truth about how he feels. the whole 'leaving the field' incident was a joke. the game was over. there was like one or two seconds left and his team was losing and kicking off. i've never seen an onside kick that took less than two seconds so the game was over. i'm sure if there was a miracle penalty against the recieving team of the onside kick then randy would have been back out there for a hail mary. also, i think the 'taking plays off' thing is totally blown out of proportion. i'm sure he did it on plays that were going to the other side of the field or that it wouldn't affect the play if he just stood there or whatever. i'm sure on the plays that he 'took off', that he was still occupying the defensive players assigned to him. it's not like he was taking plays off where he was the primary reciever or a key blocker on a running play or a key decoy in a play and he just stood at the line of scrimmage and did nothing. i'm sure it was just on plays where he determined that it didn't matter if he 'took it off' or not. i'm sure he was basically right about it not mattering for the most part but i agree that he probably shouldn't do it because it could upset coaches or teammates but i doubt if it greatly affected many, if any, plays. again, it became a huge story because he admitted to it instead of lying about it like most people would. i think wr is maybe the only position where a player can take certain plays off and it generally doesn't matter. i'm sure not everyone does it but randy is probably the only one who would admit to it. i think a lot of people just hear 'randy admits to taking plays off' and they assume the worst because it's randy. they jump to conclusions and would never give him the benefit of the doubt.
it's was also not too good to hear about randy saying he didn't care last year, but can you blame him? the raiders were a joke and again he was just being honest. i guess i have mixed feelings about it because i appreciate the honesty but am not convinced it is the right thing to do since it could be hurting the team and the organization. it makes him part of the problem and not part of the solution. then again, i'm not sure if i like the idea of criticizing him for being honest. but it was randy, so the general consensus was to have these statements he made add to the reasons why he is such a horrible person.
back to on the field stuff. i think randy could help a team out. i don't know about putting up gawdy numbers but if he still consistently draws double and triple teams then someone else has to be open. it seems like most teams spread the ball around a lot or give it to the open guy so it seems like it's harder for wr's to stand out statistically because if a wr starts lighing it up then the defense will adjust and take him away and the other recievers will get more balls. again, i think randy can help a team out or be a part of good team still but the question is whether or not he's worth it. not only does he take up a lot of cap space but there's the risk of him again being part of the problem and not part of the solution if things go bad. also, many people would be against bringing him to 'their' team because they already think so poorly of him. i guess there are a lot of plusses and minuses to weigh for any team considering acquiring him. i'd say it all comes down to whether or not he still makes defenses gameplan for stopping him or if he still requires a constant double-team to contain him. if so, and you're a solid team that needs wr help, then i'd say go for it. if you have questions at qb or have a bad o-line then i'd say probably not. if you don't think he is still a gamebreaker then the answer is obviously no. personally, i'd like to see him get out of oakland.
the raiders have been such a joke that it's hard to say how much randy is to blame and how much his situation is to blame for his drop in production. i personally think randy started with a bad reputation and many people just take everything he does and mold it into that bad rep. has he really ever done anything that bad? a lot of his criticism has come from him being honest in interviews where the vast majority of guys lie and give politically correct answers all the time and randy tells the truth about how he feels. the whole 'leaving the field' incident was a joke. the game was over. there was like one or two seconds left and his team was losing and kicking off. i've never seen an onside kick that took less than two seconds so the game was over. i'm sure if there was a miracle penalty against the recieving team of the onside kick then randy would have been back out there for a hail mary. also, i think the 'taking plays off' thing is totally blown out of proportion. i'm sure he did it on plays that were going to the other side of the field or that it wouldn't affect the play if he just stood there or whatever. i'm sure on the plays that he 'took off', that he was still occupying the defensive players assigned to him. it's not like he was taking plays off where he was the primary reciever or a key blocker on a running play or a key decoy in a play and he just stood at the line of scrimmage and did nothing. i'm sure it was just on plays where he determined that it didn't matter if he 'took it off' or not. i'm sure he was basically right about it not mattering for the most part but i agree that he probably shouldn't do it because it could upset coaches or teammates but i doubt if it greatly affected many, if any, plays. again, it became a huge story because he admitted to it instead of lying about it like most people would. i think wr is maybe the only position where a player can take certain plays off and it generally doesn't matter. i'm sure not everyone does it but randy is probably the only one who would admit to it. i think a lot of people just hear 'randy admits to taking plays off' and they assume the worst because it's randy. they jump to conclusions and would never give him the benefit of the doubt.
it's was also not too good to hear about randy saying he didn't care last year, but can you blame him? the raiders were a joke and again he was just being honest. i guess i have mixed feelings about it because i appreciate the honesty but am not convinced it is the right thing to do since it could be hurting the team and the organization. it makes him part of the problem and not part of the solution. then again, i'm not sure if i like the idea of criticizing him for being honest. but it was randy, so the general consensus was to have these statements he made add to the reasons why he is such a horrible person.
back to on the field stuff. i think randy could help a team out. i don't know about putting up gawdy numbers but if he still consistently draws double and triple teams then someone else has to be open. it seems like most teams spread the ball around a lot or give it to the open guy so it seems like it's harder for wr's to stand out statistically because if a wr starts lighing it up then the defense will adjust and take him away and the other recievers will get more balls. again, i think randy can help a team out or be a part of good team still but the question is whether or not he's worth it. not only does he take up a lot of cap space but there's the risk of him again being part of the problem and not part of the solution if things go bad. also, many people would be against bringing him to 'their' team because they already think so poorly of him. i guess there are a lot of plusses and minuses to weigh for any team considering acquiring him. i'd say it all comes down to whether or not he still makes defenses gameplan for stopping him or if he still requires a constant double-team to contain him. if so, and you're a solid team that needs wr help, then i'd say go for it. if you have questions at qb or have a bad o-line then i'd say probably not. if you don't think he is still a gamebreaker then the answer is obviously no. personally, i'd like to see him get out of oakland.
pigskin pimp
Footballguy
Could you condense into a one sentence conclusion?
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
His first game in Oakland he got caught from behind on a long pass play. That was the first time I knew he had lost a step.
Bigger and older. Slower.
Bigger and older. Slower.
Agreed.
Rev
Footballguy
From one SW Minny fan to another, I think there is a whole lot more to it. Moss had that Hammy problem first, I believe, and could never shake it. I got the impression that he just hoped it would get better and never put much into actually working to recover or challanging himself to get back into game shape. THen he seemed to lose his confidence and his motivation, and it kept snowballing from there. When I see him play, he seems so far gone that I am just shocked. It's almost as if he believes that he's no good anymore. And since he is such a dufas, it's hard to root for him!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I don't blame you, Sonny. I was on this bandwagon also.The guy will go down as the biggest frontrunner in the history of frontrunners.
redman
Footballguy
I hope that keeps him out of the Hall of Fame. And yes, I'm serious.
