Randy Moss trade? (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

"The Packers Line Sucks" : I respectfully disagree. They have given up 0 sacks over the last 2 games. 2 sacks over the last 3 games. The line is improving with each week that goes by. 4 sacks the first game vs the Bears, 2 sacks the next and then no sacks over the last 2 weeks. Major Imporovements. The backup Running back who came over in a week 3 trade gained 99 yards on the ground and 120 overall. I think thats pretty decent. I do not believe the Packers have given up on the season. I understand that they are 1-3. The Vikings are 2-2 and the Lions are 0-4. Over the next 5 weeks GB has St Louis at home, the Bye week to prepare for Miami, Arizona at home, and then At Buffalo.None of those games would be unwinnable by any stretch of the imagination. 9-7 Makes the playoffs. Its too early to count teams out. In 2004 The packers started 1-3 and still made the playoffs. "Brett Favre sometimes sucks" - so does every player in the league. He tries to do too much with what he has available to him. Like I said - he doesnt have Javon Walker anymore - Walker would climb a ladder for him and make plays. Favre doesnt have that guy. Jennings is a playmaker but like I said he does it after the catch. Favre doesnt suck. He just doesnt have that guy to go and get the ball. Maybe it would be Porter but I do VERY CLERALY think the Packers ARE in the market for a WR. Like I said - they will be losing Koren Robinson very shortly for his DWI and Ferguson thinks he broke his foot. That leaves them with Driver and Jennings. A first year coach and 2nd year General Manager with 7.5 million in CAP room does not have the job security to let a season go. Its not going to happen. Bob Harlan would not let it happen in his last year at the Helm.By the way - this is a good discussion. Lets keep it that way.

Well, I'm just going to agree with you that we disagree. I don't think the Packers are contenders, I don't think they're in the market for a WR, and if they were, I don't think the guy they'd want is the oft-injured, loud-mouth WR who is on the decline and has a massive cap number. And, even if they were, they're not trading Aaron Rodgers for it.I've said all I can say - thank you for your opinion.

Besides, it's not their offense that's the problem - its defense, particularly their secondary. There's no way that Moss helps them enough to be a playoff team.

 

[-OZ-]

Pats give up a first for him makes sense with their situation.

The team that comes to mind first, they have the cap room, need a WR, but would they really take an attitude like Moss? I know they took Dillon, but they seem to have different flaws. (Dillon just hated losing)

 

[LongDrivethenFoozle]

5 years ago he was on the top of his game and no team would pass up a chance to get him......now he'll be lucky to land in Tennessee! :X

 

[Dirk Digler]

PLEASE IF THERE ARE FANTASY GODS, (which I know there are, cause they've been crapping on my teams for years) LET HIM OUT OF OAKLAND!!! PLEASE!!!

 

[zoonation]

no one is going to take on Moss at the required price tag...the guy hasn't shown anything in 2+ years.

 

[Bruno2]

Rule of thumb for me ever since Bruce Allen and John Gruden left -- if Raiders management can find something to screw up, they'll do it.

Years of terrible 1st round picks, and signing over-paid, over-the-hill veterans have just decimated the Raiders.

 

[DrJ]

There's a major obstacle to trading him, and it has nothing to do with his talent. His contract is simply an impregnable obstacle for most teams at this time of year due to the salary cap. He's one guy that seems assured of remaining with his team throughout the season.

Without knowing the particulars of his contract, I'd think it is less an issue for the other teams than for Oakland, since his signing bonus would accelerate into a cap hit that would be split evenly over this season and next. The team that trades for him would have to have room only for his base salary, so it is possible that would be workable.Of course, if a team trades players for him, they would have the same issue of those players' accelerated bonuses.

And, if Oakland got players for him in return, they would obviously have to fit their salaries under their cap, along with the Moss cap hit.

I would say this would be extremely unlikely to happen during the season. I could see it this offseason, though.

Moss' contract was an 8 year, $75M deal that included an $18M signing bonus (Links to base salary details and bonus). His cap number this year is $9.75M ($2.25M bonus + $7.5M base); a mid-season trade would result in a cap number of $17.25M ($7.5M * 0.5) + (3 years bonus of $4.5M). This doesn't include the effect of any 'likely to be earned' bonuses. Can't see Oakland taking an additional $7.5M hit this year, but with Al Davis you never know...

Actually the cap hit would be even more because after the trade, he redid his contract to lower his cap number last year by converting base salary into a signing bonus.

Minnesota already took the cap hit on that original bonus when they traded him. So, they're only on the hook for the bonuses paid when he redid his contract.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

You almost have to look at it as if one of your first few picks got injured and is out for the year. In other words, keep him on your pine, forget about him and move on with your life until further notice.

Precisely. I've relegated Randy to "jock washing" duty, and he won't be seeing the starting lineup again unless/until I'm forced to put him back in it.If you can find anyone to touch him with a 1,000 foot pole then jump on it. I'm in a league with 2 raging Oakland homers and even THEY wouldn't f- him with someone else's junk.In most cases there will be little choice but to hold onto him and hope they straighten crap out before he decides to mail in the season.Could be too late already.

 

[Bull Dozier]

no one is going to take on Moss at the required price tag...the guy hasn't shown anything in 2+ years.

I won't disagree with the first part of this, but the second part is simply wrong. Through four weeks last season he was on pace to break Jerry Rice's single season record for receiving yards, on pace for 1864 yards with 8 TDs. Then the injury happened.Plus, in 2004 he was on pace for 1260 yards and 25 TDs before he got injured.Now, if you want to say he is a risk because of recent injury history, I can't disagree with that, but you can't say he hasn't shown anything on the field in over two years. That is just not true. The previous two seasons, when healthy, he has appeared the beast he always has been. This year, well, Aaron Brooks apparently wasn't the answer.