Randy Moss (1 Viewer)

[Sweetness_34]

Yes, a lot of folks have been angry at Moss for not giving them the 2nd or 3rd round returns on their investment. However, when you look at the #s, here is what you have until now:

- 1st off, he has only played 6 games (has already gone through his bye). Which most WRs have but not all. So keep that in mind.

- Now, in my league (rules: 10 yds/1pt; 6 pts/TD; PPR), he is currently the 28th ranked WR. In comparison, Chad Johnson (where ya at 85?) is ranked #32, Fitz is #34, Moose is #37, Derrick Mason is #46, Kennison is #45 etc

- If you look at the game by game logs to get a better understanding of his variance (or std deviation), again using the same scoring system defined above, he has had the following production (no decimal scoring):

Week 1: 8

Week 2: 5

Week 4: 7

Week 5: 16

Week 6: 13

Week 7: 25

- Now, if you look at the # of targets for Randy Moss, you find :

Week 1: 6

Week 2: 8

Week 4: 6

Week 5: 8

Week 6: 12

Week 7: 14

- Now, if you look at the remaining Oak schedule, you have a mixed bag(Pass YPG rank in NFL brackets):

vs Pitt (19th)

@ Sea (25th)

vs Den (8th)

@ KC (6th)

@ SD (2nd)

vs Hous (31st)

@ Cincy (13th)

vs St Louis (22nd)

vs KC (6th)

@ NYJ (26th)

What I see is a WR is trending up in points scored and in targets for the last 3 weeks. The running game of the Raiders has improved (with Fargas helping LJ), and Walter has started getting comfortable with the system with time. I see Moss as a regular starter on my line up (have him in 2 leagues), and I have never benched him yet even once. With Porter out, IMO he is still the# 1 target for his QB, and with the Raiders D, they will always need to throw to win in almost every game, which almost guarantees you at least 3 to 4 catches per game for Moss, and at least 30 to 40 yards (which makes it a floor of at least 8 pts every game for PPR).

What are your thoughts on Randy going forward? Agree/disagree? Comments? Any other interesting stats worth looking at? What do the Oak homers think? What about those that watch every Oak game (I do not). Are the O players getting more in sync? Is there an emphasis to get more short passes to Moss making him less prone to games where he gets you close to nothing.....

 

[ydub]

Repost from a few days ago...

LOCAL and Moss owner- He had a nice stat day today and it should be noted that had he caught all of the balls tossed his way he would have been closer to 10-180-2. There is hope and I am of the minority that believes that there is hope with Brooks and Moss on the horizon......

I realize that the Cardinals are, well, the Cardinals so we might want to discount some of week 7 stats, but if Walters has begun to build a chemistry with Moss, and the last few week indicate that might be the case, would a move back to Brooks possibly hurt Moss' production going forward?

Not at all. The Cardinals were just as aggressive as they were Monday night. This is the same Cardinal defense which brought previously all-world Rex Grossman back to his rightful home on planet Suckitude. They apply (boat)loads of pressure and Walter demonstrated a lot of poise today.If Walter continues to improve, there won't be a move back to Brooks. As it stands now, Walter is targeting Randy early and often. He doesn't mind throwing it to him when he's doubled (sometimes tripled) and Walter clearly has more trust in him than any other pass catcher on the field. Moss' uncharacteristic drops are the only thing keeping him from Holt-like numbers over the past few weeks. So yeah, downgrade Moss if/when Brooks returns.

Over the last three games Moss has averaged 6/89/.66 TD. If he maintains this pace over the next ten games, he'll finish up with something like 90/1250/10 TD. Of course this in flux as he is trending upward. His targets have increased each of the past four weeks (6-8-12-14) and so have his receptions. He's also played with a lot more enthusiasm and fire the past couple of weeks. He's going over the middle. He's finishing his shorter routes. He's involved. And he still has the ability to make it look easy. WR3? Nahhh. The guy who we all thought was impersonating Randy Moss is in fact....Randy Moss.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Thanks for the re-post.

All aboard the Moss bandwagon.......chooooooooooooooooo

 

[SSOG]

Thanks for the re-post.All aboard the Moss bandwagon.......chooooooooooooooooo

Hey, watch out for that traffic cop!!!

 

[Cowtippers]

I've been thinking about excepting a trade with me sending R. Moss/M. Colston for L.Coles/B. Edwards. I realize it is pretty much a wash but I was afraid Moss might "pack it in" for the season and be worthless (Coles on the other hand should play hard all season).

After reading this thread.......I think I may hold on to the upward swing Moss is on and take a chance on his high risks/ high rewards. I don't see many Raider games and I'm glad to hear that he's developing chemistry with Walters and seems focused (except for the drops).

 

[jrgeaumont]

Thanks for the re-post.All aboard the Moss bandwagon.......chooooooooooooooooo

Hey, watch out for that traffic cop!!!

Yeah, and watch out for that speed bump. Oh wait, speed bump, traffic cop; they're the same thing to Moss.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm a Moss owner so I'm all for talking him up, but why do people continually act like numbers around 13 points is good in a PPR league? It's good in standard leagues, but that's quite low in a PPR.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Yes, a lot of folks have been angry at Moss for not giving them the 2nd or 3rd round returns on their investment. However, when you look at the #s, here is what you have until now:

- 1st off, he has only played 6 games (has already gone through his bye). Which most WRs have but not all. So keep that in mind.

- Now, in my league (rules: 10 yds/1pt; 6 pts/TD; PPR), he is currently the 28th ranked WR. In comparison, Chad Johnson (where ya at 85?) is ranked #32, Fitz is #34, Moose is #37, Derrick Mason is #46, Kennison is #45 etc

- If you look at the game by game logs to get a better understanding of his variance (or std deviation), again using the same scoring system defined above, he has had the following production (no decimal scoring):

Week 1: 8

Week 2: 5

Week 4: 7

Week 5: 16

Week 6: 13

Week 7: 25

- Now, if you look at the # of targets for Randy Moss, you find :

Week 1: 6

Week 2: 8

Week 4: 6

Week 5: 8

Week 6: 12

Week 7: 14

- Now, if you look at the remaining Oak schedule, you have a mixed bag(Pass YPG rank in NFL brackets):

vs Pitt (19th)

@ Sea (25th)

vs Den (8th)

@ KC (6th)

@ SD (2nd)

vs Hous (31st)

@ Cincy (13th)

vs St Louis (22nd)

vs KC (6th)

@ NYJ (26th)

What I see is a WR is trending up in points scored and in targets for the last 3 weeks. The running game of the Raiders has improved (with Fargas helping LJ), and Walter has started getting comfortable with the system with time. I see Moss as a regular starter on my line up (have him in 2 leagues), and I have never benched him yet even once. With Porter out, IMO he is still the# 1 target for his QB, and with the Raiders D, they will always need to throw to win in almost every game, which almost guarantees you at least 3 to 4 catches per game for Moss, and at least 30 to 40 yards (which makes it a floor of at least 8 pts every game for PPR).

What are your thoughts on Randy going forward? Agree/disagree? Comments? Any other interesting stats worth looking at? What do the Oak homers think? What about those that watch every Oak game (I do not). Are the O players getting more in sync? Is there an emphasis to get more short passes to Moss making him less prone to games where he gets you close to nothing.....

Moss wants Numbers and I don't expect him to pack it in. He could not hustle on plays away from him, but he wants his and wants to be great. His numbers have gone up because the Oakland team is starting to gel. the defense has played well, especially at home, and the team is getting a little better QB play and even line play. They are not a good team, but they are playing better than the putrid play you saw at the beginning and that has helped Randy's numbers.

 

[mozzy84]

I'm a Moss owner so I'm all for talking him up, but why do people continually act like numbers around 13 points is good in a PPR league? It's good in standard leagues, but that's quite low in a PPR.

because 13 is a good game for moss this year

 

[Sweetness_34]

I'm a Moss owner so I'm all for talking him up, but why do people continually act like numbers around 13 points is good in a PPR league? It's good in standard leagues, but that's quite low in a PPR.

Do you know how many games have these players (that are considered PPR value players) got less than 13 points?Moose, Rod Smith, Kennison, Chad Johnson, TO, Fitz, Boldin, Driver, Houshmandzadeh, Galloway, Derrick MasonFor eg - Galloway has had 0 points twice this year.....yes 0 POINTS (in a PPR league mind you)I prefer someone that consistently gives me a floor of 8 to 10 points (with upside of 20) compared to someone that goes from 20 to 5 to 25 to 1 in a 4 game span