Ranking the NFL LT's (1 Viewer)

[chris1969]

I've been working hard at ranking all the NFL lineman. Now it's time to let you guys tweak my rankings. One of the criteria I'm using is a simple 1 to 32 ranking. This is based on how I think the player will perform this year, not on his future potential. The way I looked at it was as if I was an NFL coach and could only sign a player to a 1 year contract, who would I pick. Tell me what you think.

Team Lt Ltrnk Grade

Chicago Bears John Tait 25 7.0

New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5

Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4

Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9

San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5

Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5

Indianapolis Colts Tarik Glenn 4 8.7

San Francisco 49ers Jonas Jennings 26 7.0

Cincinnati Bengals Levi Jones 6 8.4

Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3

Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9

Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4

Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0

New Orleans Saints Jammal Brown 7 8.1

New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson 5 8.7

Carolina Panthers Travelle Wharton 22 7.2

Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8

Baltimore Ravens Jonathan Ogden 3 9.0

Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5

New York Giants David Diehl 24 7.0

St Louis Rams Orlando Pace 2 9.0

Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1

Arizona Cardinals Mike Gandy 32 6.0

Atlanta Falcons Wayne Gandy 29 6.9

Houston Texans Charles Spencer 28 7.0

Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5

Seattle Seahawks Walter Jones 1 9.5

Kansas City Chiefs Damion McIntosh 31 6.7

Detroit Lions Jeff Backus 27 7.0

Miami Dolphins Vernon Carey 23 7.1

Oakland Raiders Barry Sims 30 6.9

 

[tomarken]

1. LaDainian Tomlinson

2. Lofa Tatupu

3. Lawrence Tynes

4. Lawrence Timmons

5. Larry Triplett

6. LaBrandon Toefield

 

[Jason Wood]

1) It's quite suspect that you have William Thomas at 19th, behind such luminescent tackles like Petitgout, Adams, Barnes and Peters

2) Marcus McNeil should be higher than 14th

3) D'Brickashaw Ferguson should be lower than 5th

4) Flozell Adams should be lower than 13th

All in all, the list isn't bad...just a few not-so-minor gaffes.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

1) It's quite suspect that you have William Thomas at 19th, behind such luminescent tackles like Petitgout, Adams, Barnes and Peters2) Marcus McNeil should be higher than 14th3) D'Brickashaw Ferguson should be lower than 5th4) Flozell Adams should be lower than 13thAll in all, the list isn't bad...just a few not-so-minor gaffes.

Thought the same about William Thomas, but I don't know enough about LTs around the league to make a suggestion as to who should be bumped down. Definitely don't think Thomas is less than average though.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Marcus McNeill is probably the best left tackle in the league right now. He should have been offensive rookie of the year.

 

[chris1969]

1) It's quite suspect that you have William Thomas at 19th, behind such luminescent tackles like Petitgout, Adams, Barnes and Peters2) Marcus McNeil should be higher than 14th3) D'Brickashaw Ferguson should be lower than 5th4) Flozell Adams should be lower than 13thAll in all, the list isn't bad...just a few not-so-minor gaffes.

Thought the same about William Thomas, but I don't know enough about LTs around the league to make a suggestion as to who should be bumped down. Definitely don't think Thomas is less than average though.

My Scouting report on William Thomas....Thomas is one of the best Pass blocking tackles in the NFL. He uses his long arms well and slides well in the pocket. Handles speed and bull rushers equally well and doesn't get fooled by the double move. His Run blocking however is suspect. He struggles when asked to pull or trap due to his limited speed. He tries to grab and steer rather than run a guy over. He often loses track of the lb when run blocking against the 3-4. Grade 7.4

Marcus McNeill is probably the best left tackle in the league right now. He should have been offensive rookie of the year.

My scouting report on McNeill...McNeill took the NFL by storm in his rookie season last year. He's got a great frame and exceptional lower body strength. Terrific knee bend and great balance. He does however get caught making lunges, has terrible footwork and really needs to work on his technique. All of these things should get better in the future as he works with his o-line coach. He's a mauler run blocking and is already one of the best in the NFL. He must keep his weight under control and work out in the off-season as he tends to wear down late in games. I think he'll be a Pro-Bowl for years if he can stay conditioned and improve his technique. Grade 7.5Does either of these reports seem out of whack?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

1) It's quite suspect that you have William Thomas at 19th, behind such luminescent tackles like Petitgout, Adams, Barnes and Peters2) Marcus McNeil should be higher than 14th3) D'Brickashaw Ferguson should be lower than 5th4) Flozell Adams should be lower than 13thAll in all, the list isn't bad...just a few not-so-minor gaffes.

Thought the same about William Thomas, but I don't know enough about LTs around the league to make a suggestion as to who should be bumped down. Definitely don't think Thomas is less than average though.

My Scouting report on William Thomas....Thomas is one of the best Pass blocking tackles in the NFL. He uses his long arms well and slides well in the pocket. Handles speed and bull rushers equally well and doesn't get fooled by the double move. His Run blocking however is suspect. He struggles when asked to pull or trap due to his limited speed. He tries to grab and steer rather than run a guy over. He often loses track of the lb when run blocking against the 3-4. Grade 7.4

Marcus McNeill is probably the best left tackle in the league right now. He should have been offensive rookie of the year.

My scouting report on McNeill...McNeill took the NFL by storm in his rookie season last year. He's got a great frame and exceptional lower body strength. Terrific knee bend and great balance. He does however get caught making lunges, has terrible footwork and really needs to work on his technique. All of these things should get better in the future as he works with his o-line coach. He's a mauler run blocking and is already one of the best in the NFL. He must keep his weight under control and work out in the off-season as he tends to wear down late in games. I think he'll be a Pro-Bowl for years if he can stay conditioned and improve his technique. Grade 7.5Does either of these reports seem out of whack?

What's your report on Peters? I think he could be pretty close to dominant this year. He's only played OL for 2 years, has great athleticism, and now he's got some more talent around him.

 

[redman]

Walter Jones at 25? Has his play dropped off that much?

 

[chris1969]

1) It's quite suspect that you have William Thomas at 19th, behind such luminescent tackles like Petitgout, Adams, Barnes and Peters2) Marcus McNeil should be higher than 14th3) D'Brickashaw Ferguson should be lower than 5th4) Flozell Adams should be lower than 13thAll in all, the list isn't bad...just a few not-so-minor gaffes.

Thought the same about William Thomas, but I don't know enough about LTs around the league to make a suggestion as to who should be bumped down. Definitely don't think Thomas is less than average though.

My Scouting report on William Thomas....Thomas is one of the best Pass blocking tackles in the NFL. He uses his long arms well and slides well in the pocket. Handles speed and bull rushers equally well and doesn't get fooled by the double move. His Run blocking however is suspect. He struggles when asked to pull or trap due to his limited speed. He tries to grab and steer rather than run a guy over. He often loses track of the lb when run blocking against the 3-4. Grade 7.4

Marcus McNeill is probably the best left tackle in the league right now. He should have been offensive rookie of the year.

My scouting report on McNeill...McNeill took the NFL by storm in his rookie season last year. He's got a great frame and exceptional lower body strength. Terrific knee bend and great balance. He does however get caught making lunges, has terrible footwork and really needs to work on his technique. All of these things should get better in the future as he works with his o-line coach. He's a mauler run blocking and is already one of the best in the NFL. He must keep his weight under control and work out in the off-season as he tends to wear down late in games. I think he'll be a Pro-Bowl for years if he can stay conditioned and improve his technique. Grade 7.5Does either of these reports seem out of whack?

What's your report on Peters? I think he could be pretty close to dominant this year. He's only played OL for 2 years, has great athleticism, and now he's got some more talent around him.

Jason Peters is a converted tight end with a lot of upside. He has terrific feet and uses his legs well when run blocking. He has good punch and slides well laterally. Is at his best against speed rushers and has terrific recovery. His biggest weaknesses are a lack of strength and a lack of technique. His technique will improve as he learns the position but it will be a struggle for him to add strength. He'll have to be a work-out warrior because he's already got enough weight for his frame. Grade 7.5

 

[chris1969]

Walter Jones at 25? Has his play dropped off that much?

Walter Jones is #1

 

[AB in DC]

It seems premature to put Joe Thomas at #8. It's very rare for a rookie to come in at LT and become a top-ten player immediately.

 

[chris1969]

It seems premature to put Joe Thomas at #8. It's very rare for a rookie to come in at LT and become a top-ten player immediately.

I'll admit I'm a but that's where I have him at this point. I expect to take a beating for it.

 

[redman]

Walter Jones at 25? Has his play dropped off that much?

Walter Jones is #1

I didn't understand your formatting. I thought you'd sorted them by rank.

 

[chris1969]

Walter Jones at 25? Has his play dropped off that much?

Walter Jones is #1

I didn't understand your formatting. I thought you'd sorted them by rank.

Yeah, I really gotta learn BB code. I'm copying this stuff from Excel.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I've been working hard at ranking all the NFL lineman. Now it's time to let you guys tweak my rankings. One of the criteria I'm using is a simple 1 to 32 ranking. This is based on how I think the player will perform this year, not on his future potential. The way I looked at it was as if I was an NFL coach and could only sign a player to a 1 year contract, who would I pick. Tell me what you think.

Team Lt Ltrnk Grade

Chicago Bears John Tait 25 7.0

New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5

Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4

Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9

San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5

Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5

Indianapolis Colts Tarik Glenn 4 8.7

San Francisco 49ers Jonas Jennings 26 7.0

Cincinnati Bengals Levi Jones 6 8.4

Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3

Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9

Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4

Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0

New Orleans Saints Jammal Brown 7 8.1

New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson 5 8.7

Carolina Panthers Travelle Wharton 22 7.2

Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8

Baltimore Ravens Jonathan Ogden 3 9.0

Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5

New York Giants David Diehl 24 7.0

St Louis Rams Orlando Pace 2 9.0

Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1

Arizona Cardinals Mike Gandy 32 6.0

Atlanta Falcons Wayne Gandy 29 6.9

Houston Texans Charles Spencer 28 7.0

Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5

Seattle Seahawks Walter Jones 1 9.5

Kansas City Chiefs Damion McIntosh 31 6.7

Detroit Lions Jeff Backus 27 7.0

Miami Dolphins Vernon Carey 23 7.1

Oakland Raiders Barry Sims 30 6.9

Let me provide an assist by ranking alpha LEFT TACKLE numerically so everyone can see first to thirty first.The three listed in RED have left handed QBs so this ranking is actually not applicable to those specific teams. Then if JT is given an 8.1 (I think its a reasonable grade projection BTW) then Levi Brown should be swapped with Mike Gandy for Arizona. Also the one name that jumped out at me like others have mentioned was Trey Thomas but past memory had him ranked higher. Speaking of past glory Jon Ogden criticism is sacrocent but he isn't quite the player that he used to be but this list does show that their isn't much top notch talent at OLT so he's prolly deserving. The dearth of talent is why Tarik Glenn is deserving of that ranking but this is mostly due to him being in that system, apart from Peyton I'm not sure he'd rate as high. But other than some minor quibbling, I see no real issues.

Team Lt Ltrnk Grade

1 Seattle Seahawks Walter Jones 1 9.5

2 St Louis Rams Orlando Pace 2 9.0

3 Baltimore Ravens Jonathan Ogden 3 9.0

4 Indianapolis Colts Tarik Glenn 4 8.7

5 New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson 5 8.7

6 Cincinnati Bengals Levi Jones 6 8.4

7 New Orleans Saints Jammal Brown 7 8.1

8 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1

9 Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0

10 Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9

11 Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9

12 Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8

13 Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7

14 San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5

15 New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5

16 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5

17 Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5

18 Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5

19 Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4

20 Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4

21 Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3

22 Carolina Panthers Travelle Wharton 22 7.2

23 Miami Dolphins Vernon Carey 23 7.1

24 New York Giants David Diehl 24 7.0

25 Chicago Bears John Tait 25 7.0

26 San Francisco 49ers Jonas Jennings 26 7.0

27 Detroit Lions Jeff Backus 27 7.0

28 Houston Texans Charles Spencer 28 7.0

29 Atlanta Falcons Wayne Gandy 29 6.9

30 Oakland Raiders Barry Sims 30 6.9

31 Kansas City Chiefs Damion McIntosh 31 6.7

32 Arizona Cardinals Mike Gandy 32 6.0

Oh and could you share your scouting report on Bryant McKinnie? Also I was of the impression that Flozelle was struggling and the Boys were looking to replace him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Vince Young is not left handed. And Michael Roos is underrated at present, but won't be by year's end.

As has been said, Marcus McNeil is too low as is Khalif Barnes.

Bryant McKinnie is in about the right spot. He's very overrated.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Vince Young is not left handed. And Michael Roos is underrated at present, but won't be by year's end.As has been said, Marcus McNeil is too low as is Khalif Barnes.Bryant McKinnie is in about the right spot. He's very overrated.

I'll fix the Young miscue.Per McNeil, the only thing I heard on him is that he's got degernative condition in his knees arthritis(?) I believe but I had also heard he had some issues last year as well. And I knew Mt. McKinnie had issues coming in but I felt he would have blossomed last year with the addition of Hutchinson. And what is the scoop on Khalif? I haven't paid much attention to him but I liked him lots coming out of college.

 

[chris1969]

I've been working hard at ranking all the NFL lineman. Now it's time to let you guys tweak my rankings. One of the criteria I'm using is a simple 1 to 32 ranking. This is based on how I think the player will perform this year, not on his future potential. The way I looked at it was as if I was an NFL coach and could only sign a player to a 1 year contract, who would I pick. Tell me what you think.

Team Lt Ltrnk Grade

Chicago Bears John Tait 25 7.0

New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5

Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4

Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9

San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5

Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5

Indianapolis Colts Tarik Glenn 4 8.7

San Francisco 49ers Jonas Jennings 26 7.0

Cincinnati Bengals Levi Jones 6 8.4

Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3

Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9

Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4

Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0

New Orleans Saints Jammal Brown 7 8.1

New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson 5 8.7

Carolina Panthers Travelle Wharton 22 7.2

Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8

Baltimore Ravens Jonathan Ogden 3 9.0

Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5

New York Giants David Diehl 24 7.0

St Louis Rams Orlando Pace 2 9.0

Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1

Arizona Cardinals Mike Gandy 32 6.0

Atlanta Falcons Wayne Gandy 29 6.9

Houston Texans Charles Spencer 28 7.0

Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5

Seattle Seahawks Walter Jones 1 9.5

Kansas City Chiefs Damion McIntosh 31 6.7

Detroit Lions Jeff Backus 27 7.0

Miami Dolphins Vernon Carey 23 7.1

Oakland Raiders Barry Sims 30 6.9

Let me provide an assist by ranking alpha LEFT TACKLE numerically so everyone can see first to thirty first.The three listed in RED have left handed QBs so this ranking is actually not applicable to those specific teams. Then if JT is given an 8.1 (I think its a reasonable grade projection BTW) then Levi Brown should be swapped with Mike Gandy for Arizona. Also the one name that jumped out at me like others have mentioned was Trey Thomas but past memory had him ranked higher. Speaking of past glory Jon Ogden criticism is sacrocent but he isn't quite the player that he used to be but this list does show that their isn't much top notch talent at OLT so he's prolly deserving. The dearth of talent is why Tarik Glenn is deserving of that ranking but this is mostly due to him being in that system, apart from Peyton I'm not sure he'd rate as high. But other than some minor quibbling, I see no real issues.

Team Lt Ltrnk Grade

1 Seattle Seahawks Walter Jones 1 9.5

2 St Louis Rams Orlando Pace 2 9.0

3 Baltimore Ravens Jonathan Ogden 3 9.0

4 Indianapolis Colts Tarik Glenn 4 8.7

5 New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson 5 8.7

6 Cincinnati Bengals Levi Jones 6 8.4

7 New Orleans Saints Jammal Brown 7 8.1

8 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1

9 Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0

10 Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9

11 Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9

12 Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8

13 Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7

14 San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5

15 New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5

16 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5

17 Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5

18 Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5

19 Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4

20 Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4

21 Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3

22 Carolina Panthers Travelle Wharton 22 7.2

23 Miami Dolphins Vernon Carey 23 7.1

24 New York Giants David Diehl 24 7.0

25 Chicago Bears John Tait 25 7.0

26 San Francisco 49ers Jonas Jennings 26 7.0

27 Detroit Lions Jeff Backus 27 7.0

28 Houston Texans Charles Spencer 28 7.0

29 Atlanta Falcons Wayne Gandy 29 6.9

30 Oakland Raiders Barry Sims 30 6.9

31 Kansas City Chiefs Damion McIntosh 31 6.7

32 Arizona Cardinals Mike Gandy 32 6.0

Oh and could you share your scouting report on Bryant McKinnie? Also I was of the impression that Flozelle was struggling and the Boys were looking to replace him.

McKinnie is still struggling learning technique. He doesn't use his wingspan to his advantage. He also struggled when plays that required zone blocking were called. He shows good leverage and I think he could turn into an elite pass blocker but right now he's surviving by being a mauler type. Doesn't even attempt blocks at the second level. Weight could be an issue. He has the tools, but time will tell if he has the heart. Minn should do McKinnie and Hutchinson a favor by dumping the zone blocking stuff. They are both much better man blockers. Grade 7.3I didn't hear anything about Flozelle, but maybe a homer could chime in.

Also I have Levi Brown at RT Bracie.

Good observation about Ogden Bracie, I think he's declining too, but I know he's got some injury issues. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt till camp though.

 

[BoltBacker]

8 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1

9 Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0

10 Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9

11 Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9

12 Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8

13 Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7

14 San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5

15 New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5

16 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5

17 Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5

18 Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5

19 Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4

20 Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4

21 Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3

So Joe Thomas is a better LT right now than all those other guys?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

8 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1

9 Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0

10 Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9

11 Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9

12 Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8

13 Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7

14 San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5

15 New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5

16 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5

17 Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5

18 Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5

19 Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4

20 Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4

21 Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3

So Joe Thomas is a better LT right now than all those other guys?

How about this question. Would you rather have any of those guys or Joe Thomas if you were an NFL GM?

Me? I take Thomas and build my offense around him. No questions, no doubts.

 

[redman]

8 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1

9 Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0

10 Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9

11 Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9

12 Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8

13 Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7

14 San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5

15 New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5

16 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5

17 Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5

18 Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5

19 Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4

20 Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4

21 Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3

So Joe Thomas is a better LT right now than all those other guys?

How about this question. Would you rather have any of those guys or Joe Thomas if you were an NFL GM?

Me? I take Thomas and build my offense around him. No questions, no doubts.

You need to apply for a job in a NFL front office, now!

 

[jonessed]

8 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1

9 Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0

10 Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9

11 Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9

12 Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8

13 Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7

14 San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5

15 New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5

16 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5

17 Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5

18 Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5

19 Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4

20 Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4

21 Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3

So Joe Thomas is a better LT right now than all those other guys?

How about this question. Would you rather have any of those guys or Joe Thomas if you were an NFL GM?

Me? I take Thomas and build my offense around him. No questions, no doubts.

I imagine you are in the minority.He has a rookie ahead of four of last year's Pro-Bowlers, including two starters. One of the starters he has marked as slightly above average. That's absurd.

 

[BoltBacker]

8 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1

9 Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0

10 Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9

11 Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9

12 Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8

13 Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7

14 San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5

15 New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5

16 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5

17 Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5

18 Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5

19 Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4

20 Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4

21 Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3

So Joe Thomas is a better LT right now than all those other guys?

How about this question. Would you rather have any of those guys or Joe Thomas if you were an NFL GM?

Me? I take Thomas and build my offense around him. No questions, no doubts.

I'm not trying to slam your rankings, one of my pet peeves is someone #####ing about rankings without supplying their own, but Tony Mandarich was one HELL of an OL prospect.... right up until he actually played in an NFL game. Same could be said for Gallery. Etc.

 

[chris1969]

8 Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1

9 Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0

10 Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9

11 Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9

12 Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8

13 Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7

14 San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5

15 New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5

16 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5

17 Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5

18 Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5

19 Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4

20 Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4

21 Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3

So Joe Thomas is a better LT right now than all those other guys?

How about this question. Would you rather have any of those guys or Joe Thomas if you were an NFL GM?

Me? I take Thomas and build my offense around him. No questions, no doubts.

I'm not trying to slam your rankings, one of my pet peeves is someone #####ing about rankings without supplying their own, but Tony Mandarich was one HELL of an OL prospect.... right up until he actually played in an NFL game. Same could be said for Gallery. Etc.

Like I said I expected to take some heat for Thomas, but I have to rank him and tried to do it as objectively as I could. In the RT thread Levi Brown wound up being #6 I believe. Fortunately I've gotten to see some mini-camp footage of Thomas.

 

[rascal]

I understand the hype surrounding a high draft pick, but IMO having them ranked in the top 10 at any position before they even step on the field is crazy. There is no way Thomas should be ranked that high.

Plus Ogden is ranked too high. He isn't near as good as he use to be.

Plus I think you have D'Brick ranked a bit to high as well. He wasn't that impressive last year.

 

[chris1969]

I understand the hype surrounding a high draft pick, but IMO having them ranked in the top 10 at any position before they even step on the field is crazy. There is no way Thomas should be ranked that high.Plus Ogden is ranked too high. He isn't near as good as he use to be.Plus I think you have D'Brick ranked a bit to high as well. He wasn't that impressive last year.

I think Ogden will be falling in the next edition myself, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt considering he played with an injury last year. I've heard rumors that it's still bothering him though.As far as Thomas goes, I'd like to hear what weakness he has that should make me drop him. I didn't rank the players and then grade them. I graded them first and then ranked them by grades.

 

[coolnerd]

I appreciate an attempt to rank individual offensive lineman, but my question is are you using coaches tapes to analyze the players? I attempt to "scout" OLmen from the college ranks every bowl season and find that at best a television broadcast gives me usable camera angles on 50% of the plays. Even if the NFL is "better" I doubt it is more than 65% of the plays as usuable to make a fair judgement of a player.

As for rookies, the best approach would have been to grade all rookies as N/A or what term you prefer to mean there is not enough legitmate information to grade a player. Stating that Thomas grades out as the 8th best OLT based on a practice tape against a team that did not rush the passer particularly well in 2006 ruins what I presume is a lot hard work and effort.

 

[chris1969]

I appreciate an attempt to rank individual offensive lineman, but my question is are you using coaches tapes to analyze the players? I attempt to "scout" OLmen from the college ranks every bowl season and find that at best a television broadcast gives me usable camera angles on 50% of the plays. Even if the NFL is "better" I doubt it is more than 65% of the plays as usuable to make a fair judgement of a player. As for rookies, the best approach would have been to grade all rookies as N/A or what term you prefer to mean there is not enough legitmate information to grade a player. Stating that Thomas grades out as the 8th best OLT based on a practice tape against a team that did not rush the passer particularly well in 2006 ruins what I presume is a lot hard work and effort.

I'm using a combination of TV broadcasts and other scouting reports. I wish I could get a hold of coaches tapes though. I try to take the comments other scouts are saying and either prove or disprove those comments. It's not as exact as the coaching tape route, but it is the best I could do and also a bit quicker. I might consider the N/A route on the rookies. Projecting college players at an NFL level is near impossible. Same with the guys that have little playing time. The problem is that these rankings are being used for an over-all team ranking and and N/A's will mess up the rankings for the other teams. I'll need to think of a way to compensate for unrated players.

 

[Bri]

Seattle Seahawks Walter Jones 1 9.5Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8(pretty confident you guys will bark about this one)St Louis Rams Orlando Pace 2 9.0Indianapolis Colts Tarik Glenn 4 8.7 (doesn't get enough respect)San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5 (not ready to make him king of the mountain yet, top 5 is top 5 though)Baltimore Ravens Jonathan Ogden 3 9.0 Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7 (he's no 13, not sure where but he's real good when he plays AND concentrates)Cincinnati Bengals Levi Jones 6 8.4 Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9New Orleans Saints Jammal Brown 7 8.1 (not liking this spot but vets get an edge IMO, really like him)Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9 Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4 (Plays against some of the top DEs regularly)Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3 (I like the Mount but don't get to see him often enough)Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4 Detroit Lions Jeff Backus 27 7.0 (Gigantic part of a prolific offense, this ranking really bugs me)Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5(Didn't even notice Luke out, Diehl right there wherever ya rank these two)New York Giants David Diehl 24 7.0New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson 5 8.7 (I can see why you'd rank him higher re-potential but he struggled a little too much for my liking, I'd guess year 3 not 2 he "makes it")San Francisco 49ers Jonas Jennings 26 7.0(Better player than he's played in San Fran, he can play any OL position)Carolina Panthers Travelle Wharton 22 7.2Chicago Bears John Tait 25 7.0Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1Arizona Cardinals Mike Gandy 32 6.0Atlanta Falcons Wayne Gandy 29 6.9Houston Texans Charles Spencer 28 7.0Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5Kansas City Chiefs Damion McIntosh 31 6.7Miami Dolphins Vernon Carey 23 7.1Oakland Raiders Barry Sims 30 6.9

my try, left your #s ET clarify-1 up top 32 on bottom

 

[chris1969]

Seattle Seahawks Walter Jones 1 9.5Washington Redskins Chris Samuels 12 7.8(pretty confident you guys will bark about this one)St Louis Rams Orlando Pace 2 9.0Indianapolis Colts Tarik Glenn 4 8.7 (doesn't get enough respect)San Diego Chargers Marcus McNeil 14 7.5 (not ready to make him king of the mountain yet, top 5 is top 5 though)Baltimore Ravens Jonathan Ogden 3 9.0 Dallas Cowboys Flozell Adams 13 7.7 (he's no 13, not sure where but he's real good when he plays AND concentrates)Cincinnati Bengals Levi Jones 6 8.4 Denver Broncos Matt Lepsis 10 7.9New Orleans Saints Jammal Brown 7 8.1 (not liking this spot but vets get an edge IMO, really like him)Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton 9 8.0New England Patriots Matt Light 15 7.5Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith 11 7.9 Jacksonville Jaguars Khalif Barnes 17 7.5Philadelphia Eagles William Thomas 19 7.4 (Plays against some of the top DEs regularly)Minnesota Vikings Bryant McKinnie 21 7.3 (I like the Mount but don't get to see him often enough)Tennesee Titans Michael Roos 20 7.4 Detroit Lions Jeff Backus 27 7.0 (Gigantic part of a prolific offense, this ranking really bugs me)Tampa Bay Buccaneers Luke Petitgout 16 7.5(Didn't even notice Luke out, Diehl right there wherever ya rank these two)New York Giants David Diehl 24 7.0New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson 5 8.7 (I can see why you'd rank him higher re-potential but he struggled a little too much for my liking, I'd guess year 3 not 2 he "makes it")San Francisco 49ers Jonas Jennings 26 7.0(Better player than he's played in San Fran, he can play any OL position)Carolina Panthers Travelle Wharton 22 7.2Chicago Bears John Tait 25 7.0Cleveland Browns Joe Thomas 8 8.1Arizona Cardinals Mike Gandy 32 6.0Atlanta Falcons Wayne Gandy 29 6.9Houston Texans Charles Spencer 28 7.0Buffalo Bills Jason Peters 18 7.5Kansas City Chiefs Damion McIntosh 31 6.7Miami Dolphins Vernon Carey 23 7.1Oakland Raiders Barry Sims 30 6.9

my try, left your #s ET clarify-1 up top 32 on bottom

Wow! Thanks for taking the effort to list and group all those guys!

 

[rascal]

I understand the hype surrounding a high draft pick, but IMO having them ranked in the top 10 at any position before they even step on the field is crazy. There is no way Thomas should be ranked that high.Plus Ogden is ranked too high. He isn't near as good as he use to be.Plus I think you have D'Brick ranked a bit to high as well. He wasn't that impressive last year.

I think Ogden will be falling in the next edition myself, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt considering he played with an injury last year. I've heard rumors that it's still bothering him though.As far as Thomas goes, I'd like to hear what weakness he has that should make me drop him. I didn't rank the players and then grade them. I graded them first and then ranked them by grades.

Lack of NFL experience for starters. Look at Gallery of the Raiders as a prime example.He has the tools, but how that translates into the NFL is still in question.IMO rookies should be rated at the level you would have given the guy they replaced and then a slight bump.

 

[SSOG]

If you're assuming he's going to be at full health, Lepsis is way, way too low. If you're adjusting for injury risk, Lepsis is just about right.

 

[Bri]

If you're assuming he's going to be at full health, Lepsis is way, way too low. If you're adjusting for injury risk, Lepsis is just about right.

It's not an easy list to make. At 10 I felt he was still top 10 an so he's in very good company. Re-other post about FlozellHe's jekyl and hide. I got frustrated ranking him and I'd probably put him lower now. It's tricky to give credit for openning so many big plays against top DEs and yet take it away for putting a red carpet down when he isn't motivated.

 

[mad sweeney]

I'm glad to see my man Jones still atop the list but I don't know if he belongs there anymore. He seemed to lose a step last season but there could have been a variety of reasons for that so I am holding out hope he returns to #1 status. Week 1 last year, Shaun Rogers hurt Jonesy's foot and he played hurt all season. Even though he played every game (only offensive guy to do so) he gave up more sacks last season than he has in the past 5. Plus he had a new lesser guard who was different nearly every week and the whole line was being shuffled all season long. So hopefully he returns to the top.

I think Ogden and Pace are still up there based on their name value.

McNeil deserves to be top 10 already. I think he's overshadowed by the fact that his RB is so sick on his own that he loses credit for what he does. Dude had 1 holding call all season and gave up 1.5 sacks (I believe). Plus 80% or so of LT's rushing TDs came on the left side. The guy is just plain sick and will be the new Walter Jones. With him and Dielman shoring up the left side and Neil lead blocking, Ryan Leaf could go for 1000 yards.

 

[redman]

Samuels certainly deserves to be in the top 5 or so, however his pass blocking is his strength, as I view his run blocking to be only average for a starting left tackle. Watch for leg problems with him as they've plagued him in the past and hurt his game when he's had them.

 

[DanFouts]

You got to have McNeil > 14 or this list is problematic....

 

[chris1969]

Thanks for the comments guys, keep em coming.