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Ray Rice's Domestic Abuse Presser Sends Wrong Message (1 Viewer)

Jeff Vader

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I hesitated posting this to the FFA, because while so many of you are good people, I know the thread will evolve into a yuck yuck fest one-liners and the such, the kind of thing we did to Tim's "Lies About Hitler" thread. But domestic violence is a serious issue, as David Foster Wallace would say, "an irony-free zone," mostly because of incidents like Ray Rice's abuse and subsequent press conference. The following article nails it, IMO.

I know gags will be made, because that's who the FFA is (me included). But I'm posting this anyway because we're primarily football fans here - this is what initially brought us all together as a community. And as the article notes toward the end, it's our "acceptance" of this bull@#$t narrative that is partially enabling scumbags like Rice to keep his job and perhaps also contributes to his wife to going along with it.

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Why would she marry him?

It's the natural question that arises after watching the video of Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice dragging the unconscious body of Jenay Rice from the elevator where he knocked her out. Then his fiancée -- the video was taken in mid-February before their wedding later that month -- on Friday she stood by him as his wife for a stomach-flipping press conference. The disgust starts with the monstrous obliviousness of Ray Rice's stating, "Failure is not getting knocked down, but not getting up," and ends with Jenay Rice sharing the blame for his unconscionable crime. That so many wonder how this situation could end with Rice easily avoiding jail time and marrying the woman he battered betrays the willful ignorance of a society that enables him.

Violence is how abusers keep their victims from escaping. Wondering why Jenay Rice would stay requires a focused ignorance of a world in which roughly one third of murders against women are committed by an intimate partner. In this world, the threat of death, expressed or implied, can keep anyone captive.

Ray Rice, the Baltimore Ravens and the NFL have seemingly normalized domestic violence as a learning experience for the abuser. Apparently, the crime isn't the crime itself, but failing to offer a mawkish homily on how the crime made you a better person. The future of domestic violence in sports is here now.

For contrast, take the case of Gurbaksh Chahal. The founder and former CEO of RadiumOne, a tech advertising company, was recently fired by his board of directors after being charged with 47 -- yes, 47 -- counts of domestic violence. Chahal plea bargained down to misdemeanor charges after a video of him hitting his then-girlfriend 117 times over a half-hour period was ruled inadmissible. Prosecutors, however, blamed the victim's "lack of cooperation" for the plea bargain that will leave Chahal with a clean record after three years probation.

In our legal system, a prosecutor's ideal domestic violence victim is one who has not yet removed the knife from her back and is willing to talk about it in detail. Still, Chahal lost his job. The male-dominated, money-mad tech industry couldn't resist the public and media scrutiny of offering a documented abuser safe harbor.

The Ravens, meanwhile, are not just keeping their abuser, they're standing by him on national television. Following Friday's press conference, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported that sources who have seen the full video say Rice struck his wife twice before she fell headfirst onto a railing. For this, Rice must complete a pre-trial diversion program and serve whatever suspension the NFL hands down. He will definitely keep his job. This outcome is common among athletes in domestic violence cases and other crimes, but the tightly controlled narrative disseminated by Rice and the Ravens offers a disturbing peek into a worsening future.

As long as sport has existed, the deification of its stars has inoculated them from real world consequences. More than 100 years ago, Stanley Ketchel was a superstar boxer and drinker with a fondness for misogyny and racism. No one cared because none of that was a big deal back then. It's different now: Stanley Ketchel would have to show up for a press conference and take a few months off. That is the measure of progress in how sports deals with its own past and present of domestic violence.

A woman has publicly sided with her abuser before, but the collusion between athlete and team to impose a feel-good narrative of personal redemption on the public sends a horrifying message. In the U.S. alone, 22 percent of women experience intimate partner violence and account for 85 percent of all domestic violence victims. However, only one quarter of all intimate partner assaults are reported to the police. The rates are worse for women of color. Consider this, then think about the message sent when a reported assault ends with the victim on television sharing the blame. The message is clear: Reporting intimate partner violence is pointless.

We will never know the true nature of Ray and Jenay Rice's relationship, but no competent therapist would suggest a victim of violence take the blame, never mind doing so in front of millions. The Ravens aided their employee in committing violence against Jenay Rice again, as well as other victims of intimate partner violence. The message sent was no one cares about those victims.

The devil of it is this -- I'm not sure NFL fans care. Past uproar didn't keep this from happening and future uproar may not be loud enough to keep it from continuing. This much is clear, though: The NFL offered a glimpse into its ideal future, where domestic violence is the start of a Disney movie.
 
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RB2 with upside. Should perform like an RB1 during games he's not suspended. Should win folks some leagues this year.

 
I think if the video shows what we've heard it does -- once it gets leaked to the public that people are going to be pretty disgusted with the presser from last night and disgusted with the lesser charges he's getting.

 
I've continued to root for two guys who were charged with rape but denied that it happened: Kobe Bryant and Ben Roethlisberger. And both times I felt troubled about it because I don't know if they're guilty or not- I hoped they weren't, nothing was proven, and I continued to go on rooting. Not especially proud of that.

This case is a little different in that if the video shows he's guilty that IS proof. I would hope that, if I were a Ravens fan, that would caused to shun Ray Rice. But OTOH Icon is right; I'd probably still draft him...

We sports fans are no better than prostitutes, aren't we? Perform on the field for us, and we really don't give a #### about the rest of it...

 
The fact that Ray rice hasn't been cut is disgusting but not surprising. The ravens have long been a dirtbag organization. And when he beats her up again, which he will, I'm sure they will stand beside him yet again.

 
Somebody want to break down what the message was?
Consider this, then think about the message sent when a reported assault ends with the victim on television sharing the blame. The message is clear: Reporting intimate partner violence is pointless.
I haven't been following the story that closely. Wasn't this originally reported as both of them fighting or something?

 
Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?

 
Somebody want to break down what the message was?
Consider this, then think about the message sent when a reported assault ends with the victim on television sharing the blame. The message is clear: Reporting intimate partner violence is pointless.
I haven't been following the story that closely. Wasn't this originally reported as both of them fighting or something?
I think the version I heard is that she tried to slap him so he stopped her hand, punched her twice and rammed her face into a railing, knocking her out.

 
Actually it is pretty common. After Warren Moon beat the crap out of his wife and she called the police, later she stated that it was her fault because she provoked him. Much of it boils down to the $$$$$ They would rather take a beat down now and then than to stop the gravy train.

 
This is from the Ravens verified account:

@Ravens: Janay Rice says she deeply regrets the role that she played the night of the incident.

Unreal.

 
This is from the Ravens verified account:

@Ravens: Janay Rice says she deeply regrets the role that she played the night of the incident.

Unreal.
Yeah, their Twitter account needed to stay away from that conference. It was awful PR and they got hammered for it.

 
Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?
Don't care. Better to let this one stand on it's own. And better not to turn this into some finger pointing BS.

 
Isn't he like 5 feet tall? Someone should beat him up.
Five feet tall and five feet wide. Sort of like an enormous hockey puck. Since we've determined that hockey players are tougher than football players, I say we send in some enforcers to score some goals.

/alsonotreally

 
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The fact that Ray rice hasn't been cut is disgusting but not surprising. The ravens have long been a dirtbag organization. And when he beats her up again, which he will, I'm sure they will stand beside him yet again.
If he has another 3.1 ypc 600 yard season you can bet they'll let him go if there's another incident. And my boy Taliaferro will be the "sleeper" pick. ;)

 
Somebody want to break down what the message was?
Consider this, then think about the message sent when a reported assault ends with the victim on television sharing the blame. The message is clear: Reporting intimate partner violence is pointless.
I haven't been following the story that closely. Wasn't this originally reported as both of them fighting or something?
I think the version I heard is that she tried to slap him so he stopped her hand, punched her twice and rammed her face into a railing, knocking her out.
Yeah, that's a bit too much.

 
Let's face it, smoking pot probably would have helped the situation. Who hits anything while high? Getting the remote on the coffee table is the thirteenth labor of Hercules.

 
Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?
Other than the fact that they're both about football players, how are these 2 things even a little bit related?

 
Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?
Other than the fact that they're both about football players, how are these 2 things even a little bit related?
At the time that Sam was being criticized over the cake video, a few people here and elsewhere pointed out the irony of ripping this guy in the NFL when so many players get away with really bad off the field behavior. This is yet another example of that.
 
Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?
Other than the fact that they're both about football players, how are these 2 things even a little bit related?
At the time that Sam was being criticized over the cake video, a few people here and elsewhere pointed out the irony of ripping this guy in the NFL when so many players get away with really bad off the field behavior. This is yet another example of that.
So what we need then is more gay cake smashing. Then it becomes more common and less of a topic of discussion.

 
Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?
Other than the fact that they're both about football players, how are these 2 things even a little bit related?
A guy being openly gay is too much of a distraction and disgusting to watch, but a guy knocking his fiancee out and dragging her around unconscious on video is no big deal and we get back to football.

 
Ray Rice: I won't call myself a failure. Failure isn't getting knocked down. It's not getting up.

He actually said this at a press conference about knocking his girlfriend completely unconscious.

 
This is from the Ravens verified account:

@Ravens: Janay Rice says she deeply regrets the role that she played the night of the incident.

Unreal.
That's simply incredible. I hope Goodell is having some really strong words with the higher ups in Baltimore about this.

I hope he gets a 4 game suspension and the league fines the Ravens. But that's still just a pathetic slap on the wrist.

It really is stomach churning that the Ravens would support him blaming the victim like that. Ugh.

 
Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?
Other than the fact that they're both about football players, how are these 2 things even a little bit related?
A guy being openly gay is too much of a distraction and disgusting to watch, but a guy knocking his fiancee out and dragging her around unconscious on video is no big deal and we get back to football.
Is there anyone that actually said that, or is this just a nice strawman?

 
Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?
Other than the fact that they're both about football players, how are these 2 things even a little bit related?
A guy being openly gay is too much of a distraction and disgusting to watch, but a guy knocking his fiancee out and dragging her around unconscious on video is no big deal and we get back to football.
It's really fn outrageous how this is being handled. Screw Ray Rice and screw the Ravens.
 
So, whats the big deal here? We think Michael Sam needs to hold a presser and apologize for kissing his boyfriend? Maybe the boyfriend should apologize for his role in the whole cake-gate?

Would that make things even?

 
Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?
Other than the fact that they're both about football players, how are these 2 things even a little bit related?
A guy being openly gay is too much of a distraction and disgusting to watch, but a guy knocking his fiancee out and dragging her around unconscious on video is no big deal and we get back to football.
Is anybody saying this?

Every rational person recognizes that what Rice did was disgusting and that its being blatantly brushed under the rug. (at least partially because of his stupid fiance/now wife allowing it to happen by marrying him and not pursuing charges). The guy should be in jail, not preparing for training camp.

There are rational people on both sides of the "Sam is a distraction" issue.

 
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Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?
Other than the fact that they're both about football players, how are these 2 things even a little bit related?
Obviously, It starts with a little smashing some cake into the face and it leads to smashing a head into a railing. Cake smashing is like the gateway drug to larger domestic violence. :shrug:

 
What makes this even more pathetic is that you know PR people were pulling the strings on all aspects of this this. Rice and his wife didn't come up with this. The team & his agent got together and they decided this is what was needed. And then they told them what to say.

 
I've often thought that athletes, both collegiate and professional, need some kind of a draconian Honor Code like what Special Forces and Navy SEALs have. To the effect of "Do X, Y, or Z, and you're summarily banned for life". I think even arrests (never mind convictions) should result in athletes being barred for life from competition.

But then, I ask around and talk about it with real-life people. And there are problems with both inertia and implementation. Practically no fans really care about the moral character of athletes -- not even a little bit. In fact, many fans think all "good guy" athletes are holier-than-thou BS artists who are just better at hding their skeletons (some are, of course), and thus laud the "honest" bad guys. So with widespread fan apathy (at best), why would colleges conferences and pro leagues come down on the no-goodniks in their ranks?

Aside from lack of fan concern, there's also the real-life dynamics of how athletes would handle troublemaking under a harsh penalty system. The college star who;s about to get in trouble would have a booster surreptitiously swoop in and buy off the authorities. Pro athletes would be writing checks to cops left and right. With the exchange of so much hush money, how many bad apples would really get found? The worst of the worst (your Rae Carruths and such) would still get nabbed, as always -- but would an Honor Code do anything about the Ray Rices?

 
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Posting things like this is important because it gets the message out. It really needs to happen MORE often. Some fans will root for rapists, wife-beaters, and scumbags, but there are a lot of people who won't.

The video should end his career, but the only way to ensure it does is to get it out to people.

 
First of all, as a Raven's fan, I agree with all that is being said here. He knocked the girl the f out. No excuse.

Secondly, isn't it amazing how we (me anyway) think that the folks who run these huge sports franchises would typically be the smartest guys in the room. Then a tweet comes out which shows they aren't nearly as smart as most give them credit for.

 

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