Ray Rice's Domestic Abuse Presser Sends Wrong Message (1 Viewer)

[Henry Ford]

Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?

Other than the fact that they're both about football players, how are these 2 things even a little bit related?

A guy being openly gay is too much of a distraction and disgusting to watch, but a guy knocking his fiancee out and dragging her around unconscious on video is no big deal and we get back to football.

Is there anyone that actually said that, or is this just a nice strawman?

Nobody on this board that I'm aware of. I've certainly heard it from people I know.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The fact that Ray rice hasn't been cut is disgusting but not surprising. The ravens have long been a dirtbag organization. And when he beats her up again, which he will, I'm sure they will stand beside him yet again.

I'm a Ravens fan and hope Rice gets whatever he deserves, but do you really wanna play that game COlin?

 

[Steve Tasker]

What a piece of ####.

 

[Andrew74]

Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?

You're the worst.

 

[Abraham]

The fact that Ray rice hasn't been cut is disgusting but not surprising. The ravens have long been a dirtbag organization. And when he beats her up again, which he will, I'm sure they will stand beside him yet again.

I'm a Ravens fan and hope Rice gets whatever he deserves, but do you really wanna play that game COlin?

My least favorite franchise for a long time. I get to have an opinion. Ray Lewis, Ray rice, they don't have the best track record on these matters.I don't like the ravens very much. There are many reason, this is one of them.

 

[Snickers]

Steve Bisciotti is a jock sniffing owner to the highest degree. A great businessman (I worked for him early in my career) but far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. This is an organization that stood by Ray Lewis when he was involved in a murder and cover up, standing by Ray Rice for slapping around his ##### should come as no surprise.

 

[timschochet]

What causes some guys to hit women? Never understood it.

 

[Jeff Vader]

What causes some guys to hit women? Never understood it.

A number of different things, I'm sure. Childhood trauma. Being hit as a child themselves is a big one, I imagine. Anger issues in general. Growing up in a violent & patriarchal neighborhood where men are expected to be tough and to keep their bi!ches in line is often the cause.

 

[Lutherman2112]

This is from the Ravens verified account:

@Ravens: Janay Rice says she deeply regrets the role that she played the night of the incident.

Unreal.

Couldn't believe it, until I saw it.

Link

 

[Ilov80s]

What causes some guys to hit women? Never understood it.

Annoying, opinionated women. That's what I learned from Ray's girl at the press conference.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The fact that Ray rice hasn't been cut is disgusting but not surprising. The ravens have long been a dirtbag organization. And when he beats her up again, which he will, I'm sure they will stand beside him yet again.

I'm a Ravens fan and hope Rice gets whatever he deserves, but do you really wanna play that game COlin?

My least favorite franchise for a long time. I get to have an opinion. Ray Lewis, Ray rice, they don't have the best track record on these matters.I don't like the ravens very much. There are many reason, this is one of them.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, Abe. Just saying - a Titans fan should watch where the stones are thrown.

 

[Abraham]

I'm 99% sure I ####ong hate the titans too. Bud Adams was a piece of #### long before the ravens existed.

 

[otello]

Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?

Tim, it is very difficult to take you seriously when you make posts like this.

 

[Mister Martie]

What makes this even more pathetic is that you know PR people were pulling the strings on all aspects of this this. Rice and his wife didn't come up with this. The team & his agent got together and they decided this is what was needed. And then they told them what to say.

This is what I can't get over. A bunch of people presumably gave this the thumbs up.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Steve Bisciotti is a jock sniffing owner to the highest degree. A great businessman (I worked for him early in my career) but far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. This is an organization that stood by Ray Lewis when he was involved in a murder and cover up, standing by Ray Rice for slapping around his ##### should come as no surprise.

Bisciotti wasn't majority owner when Lewis was up on the murder thing, but that doesn't make what you say any less true (other than being wrong). Bisciotti being a jock-sniffer ain't wrong, though.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I'm 99% sure I ####ong hate the titans too. Bud Adams was a piece of #### long before the ravens existed.

Really? My bad, then. I could've sworn that you were the mod saying "I just threw up in my mouth" when the Ravens signed Mason & Rolle. But I'm old and am probably misremembering.

 

[eurotrashman]

I've continued to root for two guys who were charged with rape but denied that it happened: Kobe Bryant and Ben Roethlisberger. And both times I felt troubled about it because I don't know if they're guilty or not- I hoped they weren't, nothing was proven, and I continued to go on rooting. Not especially proud of that.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Abraham]

I'm 99% sure I ####ong hate the titans too. Bud Adams was a piece of #### long before the ravens existed.

Really? My bad, then. I could've sworn that you were the mod saying "I just threw up in my mouth" when the Ravens signed Mason & Rolle. But I'm old and am probably misremembering.

Oh, I was. I used to adore the titans as I'm an old oilers fan that ended up on Nashville. But their questionable football moves combined with some of the bull#### non football things has me disliking them more and more.

 

[timschochet]

Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?

Tim, it is very difficult to take you seriously when you make posts like this.

Yeah, several people seem outraged over this post-"You're the worst!", etc. but it was already a topic of conversation on talk radio and TV this morning. I guarantee you I'm not going to be the last person to bring up the irony involved here. I think it's a legitimate irony worth discussing: why is Michael Sam's sexuality a "distraction" in a league that has more than its share of thugs, rapists, wife beaters, etc.? Sorry if it offends you to bring it up.

 

[Christo]

Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?

Tim, it is very difficult to take you seriously when you make posts like this.

Yeah, several people seem outraged over this post-"You're the worst!", etc. but it was already a topic of conversation on talk radio and TV this morning. I guarantee you I'm not going to be the last person to bring up the irony involved here. I think it's a legitimate irony worth discussing: why is Michael Sam's sexuality a "distraction" in a league that has more than its share of thugs, rapists, wife beaters, etc.? Sorry if it offends you to bring it up.

http://i1.wp.com/kathleencaron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Princess-bride-image.jpg?resize=300%2C300

 

[jon_mx]

Are people really saying Michael Sam's sexuality is a distraction?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Are people really saying Michael Sam's sexuality is a distraction?

http://deadspin.com/nfl-executives-say-the-league-isnt-ready-for-michael-s-1519784781

 

[Mister Martie]

Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?

Tim, it is very difficult to take you seriously when you make posts like this.

Yeah, several people seem outraged over this post-"You're the worst!", etc. but it was already a topic of conversation on talk radio and TV this morning. I guarantee you I'm not going to be the last person to bring up the irony involved here. I think it's a legitimate irony worth discussing: why is Michael Sam's sexuality a "distraction" in a league that has more than its share of thugs, rapists, wife beaters, etc.? Sorry if it offends you to bring it up.

You don't seem to get it.

 

[Joe T]

Looks like Tim is Timming it up again in here. <_<

 

[Sinrman]

Yeah, as if the event itself wasn't bad enough, the press conference + the Ravens tweets were absolutely horrific. I agree that Goodell should be coming down on the Ravens too for that. Ridiculous...

 

[SIDA!]

This is from the Ravens verified account:

@Ravens: Janay Rice says she deeply regrets the role that she played the night of the incident.

Unreal.

Couldn't believe it, until I saw it.

Link

They basically live tweeted the presser.

I am not sure why you guys are making a big deal out of this tweet.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I hate the Ravens, but locally it is being reported that the Ravens had nothing to do with this press conference and were against Ray Rice for holding it.

Ray is getting blasted for not only the obvious that's been pointed out in this thread, but also for trying to sneak it in on the Friday before Memorial Day on short notice when lots of people were out of town. He was very unprepared, used his phone to recall lame cliches he had come up with and refused to answer any questions.

All around it was a very poor move, but I don't know how much control the ravens had.

Oh, if you're going to bash former ravens, don't forget about Jamal Lewis.

 

[Ilov80s]

This is from the Ravens verified account:

@Ravens: Janay Rice says she deeply regrets the role that she played the night of the incident.

Unreal.

Couldn't believe it, until I saw it.

Link

They basically live tweeted the presser.I am not sure why you guys are making a big deal out of this tweet.

They shouldn't have live tweeted any of it.

 

[Snickers]

Was Ray on the party bus when Sweet Pea cracked Jacoby Jones?

 

[Henry Ford]

Are people really saying Michael Sam's sexuality is a distraction?

Yes. It's the new code for "we don't want #### in our locker rooms." Instead you just say "it's going to be way too much of a distraction."

 

[jon_mx]

Are people really saying Michael Sam's sexuality is a distraction?

Yes. It's the new code for "we don't want #### in our locker rooms." Instead you just say "it's going to be way too much of a distraction."

I am not seeing this. There was one unnamed NFL person prior to the draft that got reported, but that was it. The statements have been overwhelmingly positive.

 

[jon_mx]

Looks like Tim is Timming it up again in here. <_<

 

[Hang 10]

Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?

Tim, it is very difficult to take you seriously when you make posts like this.

Yeah, several people seem outraged over this post-"You're the worst!", etc. but it was already a topic of conversation on talk radio and TV this morning. I guarantee you I'm not going to be the last person to bring up the irony involved here. I think it's a legitimate irony worth discussing: why is Michael Sam's sexuality a "distraction" in a league that has more than its share of thugs, rapists, wife beaters, etc.? Sorry if it offends you to bring it up.

Find us one person who's not condemning Rice.

 

[Fariq]

Effing Jersey guys.

He's not from New Jersey, you eff.

 

[shadyridr]

Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?

Other than the fact that they're both about football players, how are these 2 things even a little bit related?

A guy being openly gay is too much of a distraction and disgusting to watch, but a guy knocking his fiancee out and dragging her around unconscious on video is no big deal and we get back to football.

Is anybody saying this?

Every rational person recognizes that what Rice did was disgusting and that its being blatantly brushed under the rug. (at least partially because of his stupid fiance/now wife allowing it to happen by marrying him and not pursuing charges). The guy should be in jail, not preparing for training camp.

There are rational people on both sides of the "Sam is a distraction" issue.

i dont think its fair calling her stupid. Isnt this sort of behavior typical in an abusive relationship?

 

[Otis]

Effing Jersey guys.

He's not from New Jersey, you eff.

Went to college there imo

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Steve Bisciotti is a jock sniffing owner to the highest degree. A great businessman (I worked for him early in my career) but far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. This is an organization that stood by Ray Lewis when he was involved in a murder and cover up, standing by Ray Rice for slapping around his ##### should come as no surprise.

Bisciotti wasn't majority owner when Lewis was up on the murder thing, but that doesn't make what you say any less true (other than being wrong). Bisciotti being a jock-sniffer ain't wrong, though.

Yeah that was the terrible businessman jock-sniffing owner that they used to have. Rot in hell, Art.

 

[Fariq]

Effing Jersey guys.

He's not from New Jersey, you eff.

Went to college there imo

I went to a college in a different state than the one in which I lived. I am not from the state in which I went to college.

 

[Otis]

Effing Jersey guys.

He's not from New Jersey, you eff.

Went to college there imo

I went to a college in a different state than the one in which I lived. I am not from the state in which I went to college.

I'm sorry to hear that

 

[Fariq]

Effing Jersey guys.

He's not from New Jersey, you eff.

Went to college there imo

I went to a college in a different state than the one in which I lived. I am not from the state in which I went to college.

I'm sorry to hear that

The only thing to be sorry about is your bigotry and stupidity.

 

[McGarnicle]

Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?

I'll tell ya, I wouldn't mind smearing some cake on Ray Rice. But the cake has battery acid in it! Zing!

 

[avoiding injuries]

Effing Jersey guys.

He's not from New Jersey, you eff.

Went to college there imo

I went to a college in a different state than the one in which I lived. I am not from the state in which I went to college.

I'm sorry to hear that

The only thing to be sorry about is your bigotry and stupidity.

It appears you're taking this jersey thing a little too personal.

 

[avoiding injuries]

I get so confused when people make statements like the one Tim made earlier. Basically, there's a suggestion that if you were uncomfortable with the cake smearing that you are ok with domestic violence. It's one of the dumber things brought up, and just because some loon brought it up somewhere else, doesn't validate it to be brought up again.

 

[Hang 10]

I get so confused when people make statements like the one Tim made earlier. Basically, there's a suggestion that if you were uncomfortable with the cake smearing that you are ok with domestic violence. It's one of the dumber things brought up, and just because some loon brought it up somewhere else, doesn't validate it to be brought up again.

Fishing with dynamite.

 

[jon_mx]

I get so confused when people make statements like the one Tim made earlier. Basically, there's a suggestion that if you were uncomfortable with the cake smearing that you are ok with domestic violence. It's one of the dumber things brought up, and just because some loon brought it up somewhere else, doesn't validate it to be brought up again.

So you admit you are bigoted against cake-smashers?

 

[Jeff Vader]

Maybe I should add a poll?

What's the worst digression in this thread?

1. Tim bringing up Sam's sexuality.

2. Urak-Hai and Abraham's slapfight about the Titans and Ravens.

Nah, forget the poll. Tim would win on reputation alone, like the incumbent who gets caught embezzling and exhorting funds, but gets reelected anyway.

 

[Jeff Vader]

I get so confused when people make statements like the one Tim made earlier. Basically, there's a suggestion that if you were uncomfortable with the cake smearing that you are ok with domestic violence. It's one of the dumber things brought up, and just because some loon brought it up somewhere else, doesn't validate it to be brought up again.

So you admit you are bigoted against cake-smashers?

Wait a minute. I smashed cake in my wife's face on our wedding day. You got a problem with that, mofo?

Maybe we should settle this in an elevator.

 

[Freelove]

Wondering how many of those who were outraged or disgusted by Michael Sam smearing a little cake on his boyfriend will even have an opinion on this one?

Tim, it is very difficult to take you seriously when you make posts like this.

Yeah, several people seem outraged over this post-"You're the worst!", etc. but it was already a topic of conversation on talk radio and TV this morning. I guarantee you I'm not going to be the last person to bring up the irony involved here. I think it's a legitimate irony worth discussing: why is Michael Sam's sexuality a "distraction" in a league that has more than its share of thugs, rapists, wife beaters, etc.? Sorry if it offends you to bring it up.

Find us one person who's not condemning Rice.

You got time while I make a list of Ravens' front office personnel?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

"Failure is not getting knocked down, but not getting up,"

Wow.

ESPN really cleaned this up.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10975363/ray-rice-baltimore-ravens-apologizes-says-failed-miserably

 

[timschochet]

I get so confused when people make statements like the one Tim made earlier. Basically, there's a suggestion that if you were uncomfortable with the cake smearing that you are ok with domestic violence. It's one of the dumber things brought up, and just because some loon brought it up somewhere else, doesn't validate it to be brought up again.

That's not what I wrote.