Ray Rice's Domestic Abuse Presser Sends Wrong Message (3 Viewers)

[Christo]

I think the pertinent issue here that will move things along is that in light of all of this, America should really be asking, "Why is there an anti-trust exemption again?" for a league that injurs our boys, relegates our girls to backseat cheerleaders and minimizes violence towards women? Roger Goodell has me asking some very uncomfortable questions.

What do you think the anti-trust exemption does?

 

[Guest]

I think the pertinent issue here that will move things along is that in light of all of this, America should really be asking, "Why is there an anti-trust exemption again?" for a league that injurs our boys, relegates our girls to backseat cheerleaders and minimizes violence towards women? Roger Goodell has me asking some very uncomfortable questions.

What do you think the anti-trust exemption does?

Diminishes my trust in the NFL?

 

[Christo]

I think the pertinent issue here that will move things along is that in light of all of this, America should really be asking, "Why is there an anti-trust exemption again?" for a league that injurs our boys, relegates our girls to backseat cheerleaders and minimizes violence towards women? Roger Goodell has me asking some very uncomfortable questions.

What do you think the anti-trust exemption does?

Diminishes my trust in the NFL?

brilliant

 

[PatsWillWin]

Just had a meeting with an attorney who specializes in workman's comp cases against the NFL. He represents a number of players, mostly 2nd and 3rd teamers on the Chargers, Raiders, Cardinals, and 49ers. (I'm possibly helping him look to buy an office building.)

Anyhow, we started talking about Goodell and he guaranteed me that Goodell would never be fired or forced to resign over this. "It won't happen", he said. Obviously it's one guy's opinion, so take it for what it's worth, but it's from a guy who spent the last several years in lawsuits against the NFL.

Thanks Tim.

 

[Daywalker]

If Rice had been suspended the season would we be having all this fallout?

 

[Bucky86]

If Rice had been suspended the season would we be having all this fallout?

probably not.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Real issue here is tone deafness. World evolves. NFL's views on player health and treatment of women don't. Goodell is a caveman and the league needs to evolve too or lose

sponsors.

Not really, the real issue is that there is tape of the event. NFL players have been smacking women around regularly for years and the media and general public hasn't blinked an eye.

 

[Premier]

Rice named his daughter Rayven.

I predict next year he changes it to Rayder.

 

[fatness]

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard on radio or some 'legit'-ish media that there were about 30 Revel security staff who watched the video and statements to the fact that the recording could easily been obtained if it was even somewhat wanted, not to say REALLY wanted.

ESPN

In the hours and days after the assault, staffers replayed the security-camera footage hundreds of times, a former staffer said. He said a mention of Rice spitting on Palmer was noted in an internal security report, which he told "Outside the Lines" he had read "multiple times."

That former staffer estimates that 25 to 30 Revel security staffers saw the security camera footage of Rice striking Palmer. All of the staffers who spoke with "Outside the Lines" say they were not contacted by anyone from NFL security or the Ravens and they are not aware of any current or former co-workers who have been.

 

[fatness]

Rice named his daughter Rayven.

I predict next year he changes it to Rayder.

 

[dparker713]

Real issue here is tone deafness. World evolves. NFL's views on player health and treatment of women don't. Goodell is a caveman and the league needs to evolve too or lose

sponsors.

Not really, the real issue is that there is tape of the event. NFL players have been smacking women around regularly for years and the media and general public hasn't blinked an eye.

That's because they smack women around less often than the general public.

 

[dparker713]

If Rice had been suspended the season would we be having all this fallout?

probably not.

I think we would. The most common response for how long he should be suspended was forever, not 1 year.

 

[Todd Andrews]

If Rice had been suspended the season would we be having all this fallout?

probably not.

I think we would. The most common response for how long he should be suspended was forever, not 1 year.

I doubt it. I would have been fine with a one year suspension and I dont know anyone who thinks he should have been banned for a year before the second video came out.

 

[Godsbrother]

Several Ravens players dedicate their win last night to Rice:

http://sportsnaut.com/2014/09/several-ravens-players-dedicate-win-ray-rice/

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Rice named his daughter Rayven.

I predict next year he changes it to Rayder.

Seems like a Browns signing to me.

 

[Todd Andrews]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Your dim bulb is getting dimmer.

By the way, pointless arguer, Biscotti and Ozzie Newsome were in that meeting with Rice and his wife and Goodell, and Newsome has emphatically said that Rice described the event exactly as it was portrayed in the second video, and that Rice told the truth about what happened.

Goodell is spinning here.

 

[The Commish]

... Rice is on record saying he hit her. That was known by Goodell when he issued his "punishment" so I have a hard time believing him when he says he changed his mind after seeing a video of Rice hitting her.

There are plenty of ways he could have theoretically hit her that would be significantly less of a big deal than that punch, even a few that would be perfectly innocent. And at least one of the stories wasn't that the "hit" knocker her out but her, in her drunken state falling into the railing caused that. It doesn't matter if <fill in your favorite adjective> people already dismissed this as nonsense, for those that didn't the video "changed everything".

Yes...I already acknowledged the Rice supporters...as a matter of fact, I think I addressed them in the post of mine you chose to edit. If not that post, one close by.

 

[Christo]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Your dim bulb is getting dimmer.

By the way, pointless arguer, Biscotti and Ozzie Newsome were in that meeting with Rice and his wife and Goodell, and Newsome has emphatically said that Rice described the event exactly as it was portrayed in the second video, and that Rice told the truth about what happened.

Goodell is spinning here.

Do you have a link to that? Because what I read says Newsome and Harbaugh had a meeting with Rice and Newsome said Rice didn't lie to him. Here's the direct quote:

"Ray had given a story to John [Harbaugh] and I. And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didn’t lie to me. He didn’t lie to me," said Newsome.

Newsome doesn't mention Goodell being at that particular meeting. The same article says **** Cass said that the video "looks very different from what we understood the facts to be." So it sounds like Rice was telling different things to different people.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/10/baltimore-ravens-ray-rice-ozzie-newsome

 

[Henry Ford]

Real issue here is tone deafness. World evolves. NFL's views on player health and treatment of women don't. Goodell is a caveman and the league needs to evolve too or lose

sponsors.

Not really, the real issue is that there is tape of the event. NFL players have been smacking women around regularly for years and the media and general public hasn't blinked an eye.

That's because they smack women around less often than the general public.

Link?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

... Rice is on record saying he hit her. That was known by Goodell when he issued his "punishment" so I have a hard time believing him when he says he changed his mind after seeing a video of Rice hitting her.

There are plenty of ways he could have theoretically hit her that would be significantly less of a big deal than that punch, even a few that would be perfectly innocent. And at least one of the stories wasn't that the "hit" knocker her out but her, in her drunken state falling into the railing caused that. It doesn't matter if <fill in your favorite adjective> people already dismissed this as nonsense, for those that didn't the video "changed everything".

Yes...I already acknowledged the Rice supporters...as a matter of fact, I think I addressed them in the post of mine you chose to edit. If not that post, one close by.

Are you suggesting only Rice supporters or "defenders" were unsure about what happened in that elevator?

 

[The Commish]

... Rice is on record saying he hit her. That was known by Goodell when he issued his "punishment" so I have a hard time believing him when he says he changed his mind after seeing a video of Rice hitting her.

There are plenty of ways he could have theoretically hit her that would be significantly less of a big deal than that punch, even a few that would be perfectly innocent. And at least one of the stories wasn't that the "hit" knocker her out but her, in her drunken state falling into the railing caused that. It doesn't matter if <fill in your favorite adjective> people already dismissed this as nonsense, for those that didn't the video "changed everything".

Yes...I already acknowledged the Rice supporters...as a matter of fact, I think I addressed them in the post of mine you chose to edit. If not that post, one close by.

Wasn't that post...it was one a few prior to this one.

 

[The Commish]

... Rice is on record saying he hit her. That was known by Goodell when he issued his "punishment" so I have a hard time believing him when he says he changed his mind after seeing a video of Rice hitting her.

There are plenty of ways he could have theoretically hit her that would be significantly less of a big deal than that punch, even a few that would be perfectly innocent. And at least one of the stories wasn't that the "hit" knocker her out but her, in her drunken state falling into the railing caused that. It doesn't matter if <fill in your favorite adjective> people already dismissed this as nonsense, for those that didn't the video "changed everything".

Yes...I already acknowledged the Rice supporters...as a matter of fact, I think I addressed them in the post of mine you chose to edit. If not that post, one close by.

Are you suggesting only Rice supporters or "defenders" were unsure about what happened in that elevator?

I'm flat out saying that the only people not sure what happened are the ones that needed something innocent to have happened....especially after Rice came out and told them he hit his soon to be wife. Once Rice told them he hit her everything switched to damage control mode. At least that's how it appears. I'm open to evidence to the contrary though.

ETA: And those quibbling over whether it was a slap or a push or a full on uppercut as if that little factoid is of the utmost importance are those that needed/wanted something innocent to have happened too. Reality is, that doesn't matter...he struck her. The story he told his coach and GM lines up with the video. All of that was known prior to the two game suspension and Goodell felt two games was sufficient.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Several Ravens players dedicate their win last night to Rice:

http://sportsnaut.com/2014/09/several-ravens-players-dedicate-win-ray-rice/

Classy organization.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Real issue here is tone deafness. World evolves. NFL's views on player health and treatment of women don't. Goodell is a caveman and the league needs to evolve too or lose

sponsors.

Not really, the real issue is that there is tape of the event. NFL players have been smacking women around regularly for years and the media and general public hasn't blinked an eye.

That's because they smack women around less often than the general public.

Link?

I'm guessing he was talking about this. Obviously it's a little more complicated than just comparing arrest rates, though. Rich people don't get arrested nearly as much generally, and with domestic violence it's safe to assume that wealth plays an even bigger role (battered spouse has much more to lose if they report the crime). There's also the fact that their fame probably keeps them out of trouble on occasion- see for example the worst of the various Roethlisberger cases, where the starry-eyed cops clearly didn't do their job.

My guess would be that once you adjust for economic status their rate is way above average.

 

[Christo]

Real issue here is tone deafness. World evolves. NFL's views on player health and treatment of women don't. Goodell is a caveman and the league needs to evolve too or lose

sponsors.

Not really, the real issue is that there is tape of the event. NFL players have been smacking women around regularly for years and the media and general public hasn't blinked an eye.

That's because they smack women around less often than the general public.

Link?

I'm guessing he was talking about this. Obviously it's a little more complicated than just comparing arrest rates, though. Rich people don't get arrested nearly as much generally, and with domestic violence it's safe to assume that wealth plays an even bigger role (battered spouse has much more to lose if they report the crime). There's also the fact that their fame probably keeps them out of trouble on occasion- see for example the worst of the various Roethlisberger cases, where the starry-eyed cops clearly didn't do their job.

My guess would be that once you adjust for economic status their rate is way above average.

Oh, well. Let's go with your guestimate.

 

[Henry Ford]

Real issue here is tone deafness. World evolves. NFL's views on player health and treatment of women don't. Goodell is a caveman and the league needs to evolve too or lose

sponsors.

Not really, the real issue is that there is tape of the event. NFL players have been smacking women around regularly for years and the media and general public hasn't blinked an eye.

That's because they smack women around less often than the general public.

Link?

I'm guessing he was talking about this. Obviously it's a little more complicated than just comparing arrest rates, though. Rich people don't get arrested nearly as much generally, and with domestic violence it's safe to assume that wealth plays an even bigger role (battered spouse has much more to lose if they report the crime). There's also the fact that their fame probably keeps them out of trouble on occasion- see for example the worst of the various Roethlisberger cases, where the starry-eyed cops clearly didn't do their job.

My guess would be that once you adjust for economic status their rate is way above average.

Yeah. Comparing the NFL arrest rate to the relative victimization rates of people making "over $75,000.00 per year" isn't exactly a reasonable income adjustment. And restricting general data to 20-27 year olds should mean that only NFL 20-27 year olds are taken into account in the comparison. That article is terrible.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Real issue here is tone deafness. World evolves. NFL's views on player health and treatment of women don't. Goodell is a caveman and the league needs to evolve too or lose

sponsors.

Not really, the real issue is that there is tape of the event. NFL players have been smacking women around regularly for years and the media and general public hasn't blinked an eye.

That's because they smack women around less often than the general public.

Link?

I'm guessing he was talking about this. Obviously it's a little more complicated than just comparing arrest rates, though. Rich people don't get arrested nearly as much generally, and with domestic violence it's safe to assume that wealth plays an even bigger role (battered spouse has much more to lose if they report the crime). There's also the fact that their fame probably keeps them out of trouble on occasion- see for example the worst of the various Roethlisberger cases, where the starry-eyed cops clearly didn't do their job.

My guess would be that once you adjust for economic status their rate is way above average.

Oh, well. Let's go with your guestimate.

Yeah, how dare I offer my opinion after providing a link to an article with the relevant data- an article that also provides data to support my opinion:

Although this is still lower than the national average, it’s extremely high relative to expectations. That 55.4 percent is more than four times worse than the league’s arrest rate for all offenses (13 percent), and domestic violence accounts for 48 percent of arrests for violent crimes among NFL players, compared to our estimated 21 percent nationally.

Moreover, relative to the income level (top 1 percent) and poverty rate (0 percent) of NFL players, the domestic violence arrest rate is downright extraordinary. According to a 2002 Bureau of Justice Statistics Report covering 1993 to 1998, the domestic victimization rate for women in households with income greater than $75,000 (3.3 per 100,000) was about 39 percent of the overall rate (8.4 per 100,000), and less than 20 percent of the rate for women ages 20 to 34.

You're right, though. There's no place for opinions in a message board. Thank God the opinion police were on the scene to immediately correct my error!

 

[jonessed]

Real issue here is tone deafness. World evolves. NFL's views on player health and treatment of women don't. Goodell is a caveman and the league needs to evolve too or lose

sponsors.

Not really, the real issue is that there is tape of the event. NFL players have been smacking women around regularly for years and the media and general public hasn't blinked an eye.

That's because they smack women around less often than the general public.

Link?

I'm guessing he was talking about this. Obviously it's a little more complicated than just comparing arrest rates, though. Rich people don't get arrested nearly as much generally, and with domestic violence it's safe to assume that wealth plays an even bigger role (battered spouse has much more to lose if they report the crime). There's also the fact that their fame probably keeps them out of trouble on occasion- see for example the worst of the various Roethlisberger cases, where the starry-eyed cops clearly didn't do their job.

My guess would be that once you adjust for economic status their rate is way above average.

Yeah. Comparing the NFL arrest rate to the relative victimization rates of people making "over $75,000.00 per year" isn't exactly a reasonable income adjustment. And restricting general data to 20-27 year olds should mean that only NFL 20-27 year olds are taken into account in the comparison. That article is terrible.

Do you have something better?

 

[Doug B]

People are seriously taking that arrest-rate graph from the other page as legit data? No adjustments for income or anything like that? Wow.

Even college athletes (esp in the big sports) skate on a lot of situations where Joe Average at least gets arrested. Raw arrest rates comparing athletes vs. general population are very obviously meaningless as presented.

 

[timschochet]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Your dim bulb is getting dimmer.

By the way, pointless arguer, Biscotti and Ozzie Newsome were in that meeting with Rice and his wife and Goodell, and Newsome has emphatically said that Rice described the event exactly as it was portrayed in the second video, and that Rice told the truth about what happened.

Goodell is spinning here.

Do you have a link to that? Because what I read says Newsome and Harbaugh had a meeting with Rice and Newsome said Rice didn't lie to him. Here's the direct quote:"Ray had given a story to John [Harbaugh] and I. And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didnt lie to me. He didnt lie to me," said Newsome.

Newsome doesn't mention Goodell being at that particular meeting. The same article says **** Cass said that the video "looks very different from what we understood the facts to be." So it sounds like Rice was telling different things to different people.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/10/baltimore-ravens-ray-rice-ozzie-newsome

if Ozzie is telling the truth here, then why didn't he demand the Ravens immediately cut Rice?

 

[Christo]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Your dim bulb is getting dimmer.

By the way, pointless arguer, Biscotti and Ozzie Newsome were in that meeting with Rice and his wife and Goodell, and Newsome has emphatically said that Rice described the event exactly as it was portrayed in the second video, and that Rice told the truth about what happened.

Goodell is spinning here.

Do you have a link to that? Because what I read says Newsome and Harbaugh had a meeting with Rice and Newsome said Rice didn't lie to him. Here's the direct quote:"Ray had given a story to John [Harbaugh] and I. And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didnt lie to me. He didnt lie to me," said Newsome.

Newsome doesn't mention Goodell being at that particular meeting. The same article says **** Cass said that the video "looks very different from what we understood the facts to be." So it sounds like Rice was telling different things to different people.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/10/baltimore-ravens-ray-rice-ozzie-newsome

if Ozzie is telling the truth here, then why didn't he demand the Ravens immediately cut Rice?

Because not lying still doesn't mean Rice painted a full picture for them. According to Newsome, Harbaugh was at the meeting where Rice "didn't lie." But Harbaugh was pretty clear on Monday that what Rice told them didn't really convey the brutality of what happened. And that's confirmed by what Cass said.

 

[Doug B]

if Ozzie is telling the truth here, then why didn't he demand the Ravens immediately cut Rice?

Ham is rght about institutional tone-deafness. Not just Goodell.

 

[Todd Andrews]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Your dim bulb is getting dimmer.

By the way, pointless arguer, Biscotti and Ozzie Newsome were in that meeting with Rice and his wife and Goodell, and Newsome has emphatically said that Rice described the event exactly as it was portrayed in the second video, and that Rice told the truth about what happened.

Goodell is spinning here.

Do you have a link to that? Because what I read says Newsome and Harbaugh had a meeting with Rice and Newsome said Rice didn't lie to him. Here's the direct quote:"Ray had given a story to John [Harbaugh] and I. And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didnt lie to me. He didnt lie to me," said Newsome.

Newsome doesn't mention Goodell being at that particular meeting. The same article says **** Cass said that the video "looks very different from what we understood the facts to be." So it sounds like Rice was telling different things to different people.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/10/baltimore-ravens-ray-rice-ozzie-newsome

if Ozzie is telling the truth here, then why didn't he demand the Ravens immediately cut Rice?

Because not lying still doesn't mean Rice painted a full picture for them. According to Newsome, Harbaugh was at the meeting where Rice "didn't lie." But Harbaugh was pretty clear on Monday that what Rice told them didn't really convey the brutality of what happened. And that's confirmed by what Cass said.

So you are adopting the purposeful density standard of those trying to protect Rice, the Ravens and the NFL. Got it.

 

[Christo]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Your dim bulb is getting dimmer.

By the way, pointless arguer, Biscotti and Ozzie Newsome were in that meeting with Rice and his wife and Goodell, and Newsome has emphatically said that Rice described the event exactly as it was portrayed in the second video, and that Rice told the truth about what happened.

Goodell is spinning here.

Do you have a link to that? Because what I read says Newsome and Harbaugh had a meeting with Rice and Newsome said Rice didn't lie to him. Here's the direct quote:"Ray had given a story to John [Harbaugh] and I. And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didnt lie to me. He didnt lie to me," said Newsome.

Newsome doesn't mention Goodell being at that particular meeting. The same article says **** Cass said that the video "looks very different from what we understood the facts to be." So it sounds like Rice was telling different things to different people.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/10/baltimore-ravens-ray-rice-ozzie-newsome

if Ozzie is telling the truth here, then why didn't he demand the Ravens immediately cut Rice?

Because not lying still doesn't mean Rice painted a full picture for them. According to Newsome, Harbaugh was at the meeting where Rice "didn't lie." But Harbaugh was pretty clear on Monday that what Rice told them didn't really convey the brutality of what happened. And that's confirmed by what Cass said.

So you are adopting the purposeful density standard of those trying to protect Rice, the Ravens and the NFL. Got it.

 

[Christo]

BTW, have you found the link to support your earlier statement?

 

[fatness]

The June 16 meeting in Goodell's office in Manhattan was attended by Rice, his wife, two players' union representatives, Newsome and Ravens club president **** Cass.

Goodell was accompanied at the meeting by Adolpho Birch, the league's senior vice president for labor policy, and Jeff Pash, the NFL's general counsel.

Newsome is more believable than anyone else in that room.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11509397/ray-rice-told-nfl-roger-goodell-june-had-hit-wife

 

[Christo]

The June 16 meeting in Goodell's office in Manhattan was attended by Rice, his wife, two players' union representatives, Newsome and Ravens club president **** Cass.

Goodell was accompanied at the meeting by Adolpho Birch, the league's senior vice president for labor policy, and Jeff Pash, the NFL's general counsel.

Newsome is more believable than anyone else in that room.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11509397/ray-rice-told-nfl-roger-goodell-june-had-hit-wife

Where does it say Newsome said Rice described the event exactly as it occurred and that Rice didn't lie to Goodell at that meeting?

 

[Christo]

Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said this week that Rice was truthful about what happened inside the elevator -- as seen in the video released Monday -- in conversations he had had with him and Ravens coach John Harbaugh. "You know, Ray had given a story to John and I," Newsome told The Baltimore Sun. "And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didn't lie to me. He didn't lie to me."

On Wednesday, Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti appeared to contradict Newsome in a WBAL-TV interview in Baltimore, though: "The way it was described to us was that he had hit her with an open hand and that she had hit her head."

 

[The Commish]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Your dim bulb is getting dimmer.

By the way, pointless arguer, Biscotti and Ozzie Newsome were in that meeting with Rice and his wife and Goodell, and Newsome has emphatically said that Rice described the event exactly as it was portrayed in the second video, and that Rice told the truth about what happened.

Goodell is spinning here.

Do you have a link to that? Because what I read says Newsome and Harbaugh had a meeting with Rice and Newsome said Rice didn't lie to him. Here's the direct quote:"Ray had given a story to John [Harbaugh] and I. And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didnt lie to me. He didnt lie to me," said Newsome.

Newsome doesn't mention Goodell being at that particular meeting. The same article says **** Cass said that the video "looks very different from what we understood the facts to be." So it sounds like Rice was telling different things to different people.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/10/baltimore-ravens-ray-rice-ozzie-newsome

if Ozzie is telling the truth here, then why didn't he demand the Ravens immediately cut Rice?

Because not lying still doesn't mean Rice painted a full picture for them. According to Newsome, Harbaugh was at the meeting where Rice "didn't lie." But Harbaugh was pretty clear on Monday that what Rice told them didn't really convey the brutality of what happened. And that's confirmed by what Cass said.

IMO, this says more about Harbaugh than anything. It's hard to imagine a scenario where an NFL player knocks his significant other out and it's not "brutal". It's one thing if Rice comes in and goes with the accident angle or goofing around angle.

 

[timschochet]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Your dim bulb is getting dimmer.

By the way, pointless arguer, Biscotti and Ozzie Newsome were in that meeting with Rice and his wife and Goodell, and Newsome has emphatically said that Rice described the event exactly as it was portrayed in the second video, and that Rice told the truth about what happened.

Goodell is spinning here.

Do you have a link to that? Because what I read says Newsome and Harbaugh had a meeting with Rice and Newsome said Rice didn't lie to him. Here's the direct quote:"Ray had given a story to John [Harbaugh] and I. And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didnt lie to me. He didnt lie to me," said Newsome.

Newsome doesn't mention Goodell being at that particular meeting. The same article says **** Cass said that the video "looks very different from what we understood the facts to be." So it sounds like Rice was telling different things to different people.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/10/baltimore-ravens-ray-rice-ozzie-newsome

if Ozzie is telling the truth here, then why didn't he demand the Ravens immediately cut Rice?

Because not lying still doesn't mean Rice painted a full picture for them. According to Newsome, Harbaugh was at the meeting where Rice "didn't lie." But Harbaugh was pretty clear on Monday that what Rice told them didn't really convey the brutality of what happened. And that's confirmed by what Cass said.

OK, but I'm referring to the quote you linked by Ozzie: "And what we saw on the video was what Ray said". That doesn't strike me as equivocal. If Rice told the Ravens that he punched a woman in the face and knocked her out cold, why didn't they kick him off the team?

 

[fatness]

By the way, pointless arguer, Biscotti and Ozzie Newsome were in that meeting with Rice and his wife and Goodell, and Newsome has emphatically said that Rice described the event exactly as it was portrayed in the second video, and that Rice told the truth about what happened.

Goodell is spinning here.

Do you have a link to that?

 

[Christo]

All the more reason to get the video....

Ravens owner just said they asked but the casino refused to turn it over.

Your dim bulb is getting dimmer.

By the way, pointless arguer, Biscotti and Ozzie Newsome were in that meeting with Rice and his wife and Goodell, and Newsome has emphatically said that Rice described the event exactly as it was portrayed in the second video, and that Rice told the truth about what happened.

Goodell is spinning here.

Do you have a link to that? Because what I read says Newsome and Harbaugh had a meeting with Rice and Newsome said Rice didn't lie to him. Here's the direct quote:"Ray had given a story to John [Harbaugh] and I. And what we saw on the video was what Ray said. Ray didnt lie to me. He didnt lie to me," said Newsome.

Newsome doesn't mention Goodell being at that particular meeting. The same article says **** Cass said that the video "looks very different from what we understood the facts to be." So it sounds like Rice was telling different things to different people.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/10/baltimore-ravens-ray-rice-ozzie-newsome

if Ozzie is telling the truth here, then why didn't he demand the Ravens immediately cut Rice?

Because not lying still doesn't mean Rice painted a full picture for them. According to Newsome, Harbaugh was at the meeting where Rice "didn't lie." But Harbaugh was pretty clear on Monday that what Rice told them didn't really convey the brutality of what happened. And that's confirmed by what Cass said.

OK, but I'm referring to the quote you linked by Ozzie: "And what we saw on the video was what Ray said". That doesn't strike me as equivocal. If Rice told the Ravens that he punched a woman in the face and knocked her out cold, why didn't they kick him off the team?

Newsome didn't say Rice told him and Harbaugh that he punched her and knocked her out cold.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Rice named his daughter Rayven.

I predict next year he changes it to Rayder.

Seems like a Browns signing to me.

Steelers have a pretty good tradition of knocking women around... Roethlisberger, James Harrison, Cedric Wilson, Santonio Holmes, Chris Rainey.

 

[Christo]

By the way, pointless arguer, Biscotti and Ozzie Newsome were in that meeting with Rice and his wife and Goodell, and Newsome has emphatically said that Rice described the event exactly as it was portrayed in the second video, and that Rice told the truth about what happened.

Goodell is spinning here.

Do you have a link to that?

The question stands.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I think the pertinent issue here that will move things along is that in light of all of this, America should really be asking, "Why is there an anti-trust exemption again?" for a league that injurs our boys, relegates our girls to backseat cheerleaders and minimizes violence towards women? Roger Goodell has me asking some very uncomfortable questions.

What do you think the anti-trust exemption does?

Diminishes my trust in the NFL?

Let's re-phrase the question. What anti-trust exemption are you talking about? The NFL enjoys no unique anti-trust exemption.

It enjoys a limited statutory exemption that all sports leagues enjoy that allows it to negotiate TV contracts as a league instead of forcing individual teams to all negotiate separate TV deals. And it is subject to the same non-statutory labor exemption that every industry is subject to for restraints that are collectively bargained with unions. That's it.

 

[timschochet]

So if I understand this correctly:

Giving a woman a backhand slap, she bumps her head and is knocked out= 2 game suspension from the league, and the team is good with you.

Punching a woman with your fist in the face and knocking her out= indefinite suspension and the team cuts all ties.

Is this right?

 

[The Commish]

So if I understand this correctly:

Giving a woman a backhand slap, she bumps her head and is knocked out= 2 game suspension from the league, and the team is good with you.

Punching a woman with your fist in the face and knocking her out= indefinite suspension and the team cuts all ties.

Is this right?

Depends on if it's your first time or not...first time it's supposedly a 6 game suspension.

 

[timschochet]

The 49ers have suspended radio broadcaster Ted Robinson for 2 games because he suggested that Janay should have spoken up right after the incident, and for calling her pathetic for marrying Rice after the incident.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

What we do know is that Mortensen's source told him contemporaneous with the Goodell meeting that Rice hit Janay "hard." And, of course, even without the tape, Goodell had other avenues to clear up any ambiguities. At a bare minimum, if Rice told Goodell he "hit" Janay, Goodell should have asked a number of questions to clarify any ambiguities. "How hard did you hit her?" "Did you use a closed fist?" He should have asked Janay the same questions (and should have asked her without Rice and the Ravens officials present).

Which is to say nothing about the fact that the NFL's investigators could have asked casino employees who saw the tape to describe the incident as well. It's disingenuous of the NFL to suggest that the only evidence available was the tape or Rice's characterization of the incident. And if the NFL is saying that Rice misled them, they should come out and say that and not rely on weaselly language like "ambiguities."

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

The 49ers have suspended radio broadcaster Ted Robinson for 2 games because he suggested that Janay should have spoken up right after the incident, and for calling her

pathetic for marrying a Rice after the incident.

Way to make a stand SF...oh wait, one of their players that was involved in actually hitting a women is playing the weekend...nevermind