RB Alvin Kamara, NO (3 Viewers)

[pinkstapler]

open and shut case for simple assault carrying $200 fine and 90 days minimum which the judge can waive in favor of up to 2 years probation. expect nfl suspension time to greatly exceed jail time, 6-8 weeks negotiated down to 4-5 maybe. when you watch the video, the overwhelming first reaction is "what a moron".

IANAL but assault is an act that causes someone to fear physical harm or injury. What Kamara did, and what he was charged with, is battery. Carries higher fines and penalties. His charge also had the "resulting in substantial bodily harm" tacked onto it. So while I won't say what you said won't happen (because who knows these days), but it seems highly, highly unlikely. At the very least it will be battery considering there is video of him hitting the guy, as well as video of him admitting to hitting the guy. The fact the guy had a broken orbital bone, a dislocated shoulder, and a concussion which were all treated at and documented by a hospital, not seeing how anything gets dropped to assault. They also filed as both a felony and a misdemeanor; the felony in Nevada carries a sentence of 1-10 years and up to $10,000 in fines. The only real defense he can claim here is self-defense, which qualifies if the defense is deemed "reasonable and proportional". Going by the video neither apply. Kamara probably shouldn't have spoken to the police afterwards either, because when he was asked why he hit the guy his response was "it looked like he was running away". That statement alone kills a self-defense claim, as now you are the aggressor. Do I really think he will go to jail? Unfortunately not. Money makes the world turn. But it would be nice to see Nevada make a statement here. Considering they did sentence Henry Ruggs (much, much worse crime for sure) to 3-10 years in prison a couple months ago, it wouldn't surprise me to see something. At least something more than a $200 fine an a couple years probation.

 

[menobrown]

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

 

[TripItUp]

The part that is getting overlooked here is that Kamara looked a lot more ordinary. It's likely he's past his prime.

Also, Kendre Miller is legit. Don't be surprised if the Saints move on from Kamara sooner than later.

 

[MTskibum]

The party that is getting overlooked here is that Kamara looked a lot more ordinary. It's likely he's past his prime.

Also, Kendre Miller is legit. Don't be surprised if the Saints move on from Kamara sooner than later.

Good posting, I have 0 shares of Kamara so far in ~20 best balls and the only way i see myself getting a single share is if i time out on fanduel's 30 second timer and it autopicks him for me.

However, you misspelled Jamal Williams name in your post. Not sure how you mispelled it that bad, but....

 

[menobrown]

The part that is getting overlooked here is that Kamara looked a lot more ordinary. It's likely he's past his prime.

Also, Kendre Miller is legit. Don't be surprised if the Saints move on from Kamara sooner than later.

IMO what people are over looking is he fractured his rib cartilage in week one last year and he may have only missed a few games but it’s the kind of fracture that is slow healing and very painful. That and being criminally mis-used are more reasons for his decline in performance then any loss of ability IMO.

Agree on Kendre Miller but Kamara’s roster spot is secure this season and the cap hit to move on from him after this season is going to be a major obstacle to overcome. Personally I’d like to see it, them move on from him after this season because Jamaal’s money is guaranteed next season and I’m a major investor in Kendre in dynasty and would like to see this backfield comp thinned out, but I’m not counting on it because of the cap hit.


Still can’t figure out what such a cash strapped team was thinking giving Jamaal what I think was the second best UFA RB contract especially when that contract put them on the hook for his pay next year.

 

[TripItUp]

Still can’t figure out what such a cash strapped team was thinking giving Jamaal what I think was the second best UFA RB contract especially when that contract put them on the hook for his pay next year.

yeah, the williams signing makes little sense to me.

 

[FantasyMC]

Unless the Saints know that they might be without AK for a lengthy time

 

[JoeKappBudGrant]

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

I don't know what is going to happen in the Vegas Courtroom in three weeks. Maybe Kamara needed the money from the signing bonus to negotiate a settlement in the Civil Suit. Resolving the Civil Action could affect a plea deal with the Prosecutor. Kamara was not forced by the team to rework his deal. He had to agree to it also. It is clearly a benefit to Kamara to have 9 Million banked for the 23 season no matter what happens in the criminal case.

 

[menobrown]

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

I don't know what is going to happen in the Vegas Courtroom in three weeks. Maybe Kamara needed the money from the signing bonus to negotiate a settlement in the Civil Suit. Resolving the Civil Action could affect a plea deal with the Prosecutor. Kamara was not forced by the team to rework his deal. He had to agree to it also. It is clearly a benefit to Kamara to have 9 Million banked for the 23 season no matter what happens in the criminal case.

Every team in the league can convert salary to bonus for every single player in the league without needing their permission. The only time a team needs the players permission is if they are adding voidable years to the contract. It's a moot point since no player ever has refused to have their salary turned into a bonus and paid out upfront. The team did not do this because Kamara asked for it.

 

[JoeKappBudGrant]

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

I don't know what is going to happen in the Vegas Courtroom in three weeks. Maybe Kamara needed the money from the signing bonus to negotiate a settlement in the Civil Suit. Resolving the Civil Action could affect a plea deal with the Prosecutor. Kamara was not forced by the team to rework his deal. He had to agree to it also. It is clearly a benefit to Kamara to have 9 Million banked for the 23 season no matter what happens in the criminal case.

Every team in the league can convert salary to bonus for every single player in the league without needing their permission. The only time a team needs the players permission is if they are adding voidable years to the contract. It's a moot point since no player ever has refused to have their salary turned into a bonus and paid out upfront. The team did not do this because Kamara asked for it.

 

[JoeKappBudGrant]

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

I don't know what is going to happen in the Vegas Courtroom in three weeks. Maybe Kamara needed the money from the signing bonus to negotiate a settlement in the Civil Suit. Resolving the Civil Action could affect a plea deal with the Prosecutor. Kamara was not forced by the team to rework his deal. He had to agree to it also. It is clearly a benefit to Kamara to have 9 Million banked for the 23 season no matter what happens in the criminal case.

Every team in the league can convert salary to bonus for every single player in the league without needing their permission. The only time a team needs the players permission is if they are adding voidable years to the contract. It's a moot point since no player ever has refused to have their salary turned into a bonus and paid out upfront. The team did not do this because Kamara asked for it.

The player has to agree to that provision in the original contract. It is not automatic. I have not read Kamara's contract, but I believe a voidable year was added as part of the conversion.

 

[steelcityman]

The part that is getting overlooked here is that Kamara looked a lot more ordinary. It's likely he's past his prime.

Also, Kendre Miller is legit. Don't be surprised if the Saints move on from Kamara sooner than later.

Saints were a mess with big red at qb last year. Alvin may be on the downward slope now, but if he plays in 11 or 13 games this year, he could be high ppg esp in ppr. Idk much about K miller, can he catch?

 

[menobrown]

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

I don't know what is going to happen in the Vegas Courtroom in three weeks. Maybe Kamara needed the money from the signing bonus to negotiate a settlement in the Civil Suit. Resolving the Civil Action could affect a plea deal with the Prosecutor. Kamara was not forced by the team to rework his deal. He had to agree to it also. It is clearly a benefit to Kamara to have 9 Million banked for the 23 season no matter what happens in the criminal case.

Every team in the league can convert salary to bonus for every single player in the league without needing their permission. The only time a team needs the players permission is if they are adding voidable years to the contract. It's a moot point since no player ever has refused to have their salary turned into a bonus and paid out upfront. The team did not do this because Kamara asked for it.

The player has to agree to that provision in the original contract. It is not automatic. I have not read Kamara's contract, but I believe a voidable year was added as part of the conversion.

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[rockaction]

I think my question would be how does the team know what the courts will do? You get one rogue or pissed off judge, and you're looking at a huge problem. Now, the team may have gotten assurances what the league will do within certain guidelines, and they may have a line to the prosecutor's office to ascertain a range of outcomes, but let's not pretend either the team or the NFL are driving the situation. That's the Las Vegas criminal justice system, and anything can happen.

I only can wonder what will happen if the victim asks the criminal justice system to drop the charges with hopes of attaining a large, large settlement with Kamara. I'm not sure how all that works, and I went to law school and passed the Bar in NY. There are so many moving pieces that it's hard to take the Saints' assurances as meaning anything. Then again, maybe they know things we don't. Maybe the victim has already asked that and the judge/prosecutors assigned to the case are influenced by that sort of restitution being made in lieu of criminal punishment.

We have real lawyers on the board that probably couldn't tell you what it all means.

Anyway, that's my two cents. As somebody who drafted Kendre Miller in dynasty and believes in the talent, this is definitely a hurry-up-and-wait situation. I'll be interested to see how it is resolved.

 

[JoeKappBudGrant]

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

I don't know what is going to happen in the Vegas Courtroom in three weeks. Maybe Kamara needed the money from the signing bonus to negotiate a settlement in the Civil Suit. Resolving the Civil Action could affect a plea deal with the Prosecutor. Kamara was not forced by the team to rework his deal. He had to agree to it also. It is clearly a benefit to Kamara to have 9 Million banked for the 23 season no matter what happens in the criminal case.

Every team in the league can convert salary to bonus for every single player in the league without needing their permission. The only time a team needs the players permission is if they are adding voidable years to the contract. It's a moot point since no player ever has refused to have their salary turned into a bonus and paid out upfront. The team did not do this because Kamara asked for it.

The player has to agree to that provision in the original contract. It is not automatic. I have not read Kamara's contract, but I believe a voidable year was added as part of the conversion.

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

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Once again, just because players "typically"

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

I don't know what is going to happen in the Vegas Courtroom in three weeks. Maybe Kamara needed the money from the signing bonus to negotiate a settlement in the Civil Suit. Resolving the Civil Action could affect a plea deal with the Prosecutor. Kamara was not forced by the team to rework his deal. He had to agree to it also. It is clearly a benefit to Kamara to have 9 Million banked for the 23 season no matter what happens in the criminal case.

Every team in the league can convert salary to bonus for every single player in the league without needing their permission. The only time a team needs the players permission is if they are adding voidable years to the contract. It's a moot point since no player ever has refused to have their salary turned into a bonus and paid out upfront. The team did not do this because Kamara asked for it.

The player has to agree to that provision in the original contract. It is not automatic. I have not read Kamara's contract, but I believe a voidable year was added as part of the conversion.

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

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Once again, just because players "typically" agree to that provision in their original contract, it does not make it mandatory or automatic. The player chose to allow it. Also, from what I read about Kamara's salary modification in March, it did include a voidable year. Thus it appears Kamara did have to agree to the modification. Could you please provide verification that no player has ever refused to have their salary turned into a bonus. I can think of several scenarios where a player would want to refuse it.

 

[menobrown]

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

I don't know what is going to happen in the Vegas Courtroom in three weeks. Maybe Kamara needed the money from the signing bonus to negotiate a settlement in the Civil Suit. Resolving the Civil Action could affect a plea deal with the Prosecutor. Kamara was not forced by the team to rework his deal. He had to agree to it also. It is clearly a benefit to Kamara to have 9 Million banked for the 23 season no matter what happens in the criminal case.

Every team in the league can convert salary to bonus for every single player in the league without needing their permission. The only time a team needs the players permission is if they are adding voidable years to the contract. It's a moot point since no player ever has refused to have their salary turned into a bonus and paid out upfront. The team did not do this because Kamara asked for it.

The player has to agree to that provision in the original contract. It is not automatic. I have not read Kamara's contract, but I believe a voidable year was added as part of the conversion.

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

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Once again, just because players "typically"

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

I don't know what is going to happen in the Vegas Courtroom in three weeks. Maybe Kamara needed the money from the signing bonus to negotiate a settlement in the Civil Suit. Resolving the Civil Action could affect a plea deal with the Prosecutor. Kamara was not forced by the team to rework his deal. He had to agree to it also. It is clearly a benefit to Kamara to have 9 Million banked for the 23 season no matter what happens in the criminal case.

Every team in the league can convert salary to bonus for every single player in the league without needing their permission. The only time a team needs the players permission is if they are adding voidable years to the contract. It's a moot point since no player ever has refused to have their salary turned into a bonus and paid out upfront. The team did not do this because Kamara asked for it.

The player has to agree to that provision in the original contract. It is not automatic. I have not read Kamara's contract, but I believe a voidable year was added as part of the conversion.

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

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Once again, just because players "typically" agree to that provision in their original contract, it does not make it mandatory or automatic. The player chose to allow it. Also, from what I read about Kamara's salary modification in March, it did include a voidable year. Thus it appears Kamara did have to agree to the modification. Could you please provide verification that no player has ever refused to have their salary turned into a bonus. I can think of several scenarios where a player would want to refuse it.

Jesus

 

[massraider]

To me, the path to Kamara being relevant is a lot of targets. Owned him since he was a rookie in multiple leagues. The biggest thing standing in the way of a lot of targets for him is M. Thomas. Olave will get his, as the obvious #1 target.

The combo of a competent, conservative QB and a WR who hasn't gotten on the field for years (MT) seems like a few tumblers that can click into place.

RB 32-ish feels about right, and I think I like him there.

 

[pinkstapler]

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

I don't know what is going to happen in the Vegas Courtroom in three weeks. Maybe Kamara needed the money from the signing bonus to negotiate a settlement in the Civil Suit. Resolving the Civil Action could affect a plea deal with the Prosecutor. Kamara was not forced by the team to rework his deal. He had to agree to it also. It is clearly a benefit to Kamara to have 9 Million banked for the 23 season no matter what happens in the criminal case.

Every team in the league can convert salary to bonus for every single player in the league without needing their permission. The only time a team needs the players permission is if they are adding voidable years to the contract. It's a moot point since no player ever has refused to have their salary turned into a bonus and paid out upfront. The team did not do this because Kamara asked for it.

The player has to agree to that provision in the original contract. It is not automatic. I have not read Kamara's contract, but I believe a voidable year was added as part of the conversion.

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

overthecap.com

Once again, just because players "typically"

Kamara reworked his contract to take a 9 million signing bonus in March. His game checks this year are about 63,000.00. Next year they will be 600,000.00. I think he expects a suspension this year.

I've mentioned his contract restructure often as a reason to illustrate the Saints commitment to him and also to suggest whey he'd prefer his suspension was this year vs next year and he would not have motivation to delay the trial and the suspension.

But he did not choose to rework his contract, the Saints made that choice. So if you wanted to play devils advocate you could say the Saints are not expecting a lengthy suspension since it will run them close to half a million per game he's suspended they would have otherwise saved. I would for sure say that their decision to handle his contract this way increased my confidence level that they don't fear an overly long suspension.

I don't know what is going to happen in the Vegas Courtroom in three weeks. Maybe Kamara needed the money from the signing bonus to negotiate a settlement in the Civil Suit. Resolving the Civil Action could affect a plea deal with the Prosecutor. Kamara was not forced by the team to rework his deal. He had to agree to it also. It is clearly a benefit to Kamara to have 9 Million banked for the 23 season no matter what happens in the criminal case.

Every team in the league can convert salary to bonus for every single player in the league without needing their permission. The only time a team needs the players permission is if they are adding voidable years to the contract. It's a moot point since no player ever has refused to have their salary turned into a bonus and paid out upfront. The team did not do this because Kamara asked for it.

The player has to agree to that provision in the original contract. It is not automatic. I have not read Kamara's contract, but I believe a voidable year was added as part of the conversion.

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

overthecap.com

Once again, just because players "typically" agree to that provision in their original contract, it does not make it mandatory or automatic. The player chose to allow it. Also, from what I read about Kamara's salary modification in March, it did include a voidable year. Thus it appears Kamara did have to agree to the modification. Could you please provide verification that no player has ever refused to have their salary turned into a bonus. I can think of several scenarios where a player would want to refuse it.

Jesus

It's Joe. His name is Joe.

 

[menobrown]

No felony which might help his suspension since NFL is so PR based but no jail time for sure and the league is now free to mete out any punishment.





Nick Underhill

@nick_underhill

Alvin Kamara has agreed to plead guilty to a lesser misdemeanor charge for his alleged role in a 2022 Las Vegas fight. The felony charge is going away.

 

[massraider]

Buy buy buy

 

[massraider]

No felony which might help his suspension since NFL is so PR based but no jail time for sure and the league is now free to mete out any punishment.

Nick Underhill
@nick_underhill

Alvin Kamara has agreed to plead guilty to a lesser misdemeanor charge for his alleged role in a 2022 Las Vegas fight. The felony charge is going away.

I think it was actually no contest,

 

[massraider]

Over/Under 4.5 games.

Place your bet please.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Over/Under 4.5 games.

Place your bet please.

Under. 2 games less than Jamo.

 

[FantasyMC]

I say 6 game suspension, then appealed by Kamara, then reduced to 4 games.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I say 6 game suspension, then appealed by Kamara, then reduced to 4 games.

Nitpicking, but I'll go 6 reduced to 5.

 

[Dez]

Zeke got 6 games for what again ?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Over/Under 4.5 games.

Place your bet please.

Misdemeanor.......4 max

 

[massraider]

Nitpicking, but I'll go 6 reduced to 5.

Yes, wagers only pay off for games actually served.

 

[rockaction]

I'm going four and then appeal. Down to two or three.

 

[Gally]

4 games is my final answer

 

[zamboni]

Zeke got 6 games for what again ?

Robbing the Cowboys?

 

[ZWK]

Drew Davenport (who has been covering this case closely) predicts that a 4 game suspension is most likely, potentially up to 6.

 

[nittanylion]

He's getting 6 games, IMHO. I'm not ready to opine whether or not that will be reduced. If it is, I can't imagine it being reduced to fewer than 4.

His price is going to spike in the short term with this recent news, so I'm not inclined to buy now, because, IMHO, like most everything else, after today becomes old news, his price will eventually decline some, and at this time I'm not sure I feel like I know enough about what the 2023 Saints are going to look like to invest in much outside of Olave and Juwan Johnson.

 

[JohnnyU]

4 games is my final answer

I'm thinking 10

 

[massraider]

I'm thinking 10

Check out the hanging judge ova here.

It was a Vegas brawl, he didn't sucker punch Taylor Swift at church.

 

[menobrown]

I've been working on 6 game assumption since I started drafting in January since that's the baseline for assault but no felony charges or additional ugly details coming out give me optimism.


Also another reason for optimism is that Lisa Friel, the head investigator, has turned almost to lenient for the NFL's taste after she took some criticism and scrutiny over her handling of the Elliot investigation. She recommended just one game for Josh Brown when the baseline was 6 and she led the investigation on the Watson case which initially recommended just a 6 game suspension. in both cases the NFL found a way to increase those suspension but that goes back to the NFL being more PR based then judicial based and in this case no one seems to care what Kamara did.

So I think it comes in under 6 when all is said and done but really just no dang idea where that's just not a total guess.

And btw I absolutely love redraft discounts on suspended players. When I was working with premise that Kamara was out 6 weeks I took the same approach I took with Hopkins last year which was to take him almost any time I was getting a 3-4 round discount over when I'd have taken him if he was suspension free. Almost no bye weeks, super easy to cover, and for a RB the added bonus of actually having a great shot of being fresher late in the year. So I'm kind of torn personally. I'm higher on Kamara then most, have drafted him a lot this off-season, one of my top drafted players, but I got a lot of drafting still to do and quite enjoyed the suspension discount that I suppose will be shrinking now.

 

[steelcityman]

Yeah, really, thugs fight all the time, thats all this was. 4 worked down to 3 by the NFLPA. So he beat up another guy, BFD. IDK how the NFL feels about him or the Saints today, might be 6 or 4, and worked down to 4 or 3. People think Big Ben raped a girl, and got 6 worked down to 4. This cant be the same, or can it? Maybe video makes it 6.
Week 3, 5 or 7, whoever has him gets a nice midseason bump....a fresh Kamara.

 

[Savatage79]

Well, can't say im mad at getting him in the 8th round anymore lol can't lose having a kamara in your flex or rb 3 or 4

 

[efactor]

Well, can't say im mad at getting him in the 8th round anymore lol can't lose having a kamara in your flex or rb 3 or 4

Grabbed him in the Underdog Best Ball Mania in the 8th and 9th round today. That won't last much longer

 

[FFCollusion]

Seems like many are forgetting that the NFL has turned a new leaf with their suspension process as was agreed last year in the new NFLPA agreement.

I'm not going to bother looking it all up, but basically last year while dealing with the 3rd party judge for the D.Watson case, the original result was that there was no precedence set to suspend him for anything more than 4 games.

The NFL stepped in, overruled the judges decision, placing power back into Goodell's hands, who delegated to... A guy I can't remember. And the conclusion was, "were going to set a new precedent".

There's too many to remember, but the last precedent for physical violence (on video) was, I think, Kareem Hunt who punched and kicked a woman, was caught on film, and he got 8 games.

So, if the NFL is preaching equality, then hitting a man and hitting a woman should be the same punishment, but I'll believe it when I see it. Don't forget AP hitting his child, was an entire season. So there are levels to the suspension based on who you hit. Multiple domestic violence suspensions range from 4-6 over the past few years. That is consistent with what Goodell said after the previous update to the NFLPA agreement, after the Ray Rice case, in which Goodell said "effective immediately any N.F.L. employee — not only a player — who is found to have engaged in assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involved physical force will be suspended without pay for six games for a first offense. Second-time offenders will be banished from the league for at least one year."

The part that is getting overlooked here is that Kamara looked a lot more ordinary. It's likely he's past his prime.

Also, Kendre Miller is legit. Don't be surprised if the Saints move on from Kamara sooner than later.

The Saints were a trash fire last year, but don't overlook the fact, that despite a bad team, bad QB, despite only 4TDs all year long, Kamara was still the 13th best RB on a per game basis last season.

Even if he got to 8, which is still pretty low given his career, he would have jumped to RB9. I'm not disputing the potential decline, but people who ignore the flukiness of TDs and undervalue Kamara, will likely do themselves a disservice. He was pacing 250 carries and 64 receptions on over 80 targets. 300 total touches is impossible to ignore, regardless of decline. Assuming the right price obviously.

 

[efactor]

Seems like many are forgetting that the NFL has turned a new leaf with their suspension process as was agreed last year in the new NFLPA agreement.

I'm not going to bother looking it all up, but basically last year while dealing with the 3rd party judge for the D.Watson case, the original result was that there was no precedence set to suspend him for anything more than 4 games.

The NFL stepped in, overruled the judges decision, placing power back into Goodell's hands, who delegated to... A guy I can't remember. And the conclusion was, "were going to set a new precedent".

There's too many to remember, but the last precedent for physical violence (on video) was, I think, Kareem Hunt who punched and kicked a woman, was caught on film, and he got 8 games.

So, if the NFL is preaching equality, then hitting a man and hitting a woman should be the same punishment, but I'll believe it when I see it. Don't forget AP hitting his child, was an entire season. So there are levels to the suspension based on who you hit. Multiple domestic violence suspensions range from 4-6 over the past few years. That is consistent with what Goodell said after the previous update to the NFLPA agreement, after the Ray Rice case, in which Goodell said "effective immediately any N.F.L. employee — not only a player — who is found to have engaged in assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involved physical force will be suspended without pay for six games for a first offense. Second-time offenders will be banished from the league for at least one year."

The part that is getting overlooked here is that Kamara looked a lot more ordinary. It's likely he's past his prime.

Also, Kendre Miller is legit. Don't be surprised if the Saints move on from Kamara sooner than later.

The Saints were a trash fire last year, but don't overlook the fact, that despite a bad team, bad QB, despite only 4TDs all year long, Kamara was still the 13th best RB on a per game basis last season.

Even if he got to 8, which is still pretty low given his career, he would have jumped to RB9. I'm not disputing the potential decline, but people who ignore the flukiness of TDs and undervalue Kamara, will likely do themselves a disservice. He was pacing 250 carries and 64 receptions on over 80 targets. 300 total touches is impossible to ignore, regardless of decline. Assuming the right price obviously.

Agree. The Saints games I watched, I didn't see a decline in his game, just a really bad offense.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Zeke got 6 games for what again ?

Wearing a star on his helmet

 

[Savatage79]

Seems like many are forgetting that the NFL has turned a new leaf with their suspension process as was agreed last year in the new NFLPA agreement.

I'm not going to bother looking it all up, but basically last year while dealing with the 3rd party judge for the D.Watson case, the original result was that there was no precedence set to suspend him for anything more than 4 games.

The NFL stepped in, overruled the judges decision, placing power back into Goodell's hands, who delegated to... A guy I can't remember. And the conclusion was, "were going to set a new precedent".

There's too many to remember, but the last precedent for physical violence (on video) was, I think, Kareem Hunt who punched and kicked a woman, was caught on film, and he got 8 games.

So, if the NFL is preaching equality, then hitting a man and hitting a woman should be the same punishment, but I'll believe it when I see it. Don't forget AP hitting his child, was an entire season. So there are levels to the suspension based on who you hit. Multiple domestic violence suspensions range from 4-6 over the past few years. That is consistent with what Goodell said after the previous update to the NFLPA agreement, after the Ray Rice case, in which Goodell said "effective immediately any N.F.L. employee — not only a player — who is found to have engaged in assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involved physical force will be suspended without pay for six games for a first offense. Second-time offenders will be banished from the league for at least one year."

The part that is getting overlooked here is that Kamara looked a lot more ordinary. It's likely he's past his prime.

Also, Kendre Miller is legit. Don't be surprised if the Saints move on from Kamara sooner than later.

The Saints were a trash fire last year, but don't overlook the fact, that despite a bad team, bad QB, despite only 4TDs all year long, Kamara was still the 13th best RB on a per game basis last season.

Even if he got to 8, which is still pretty low given his career, he would have jumped to RB9. I'm not disputing the potential decline, but people who ignore the flukiness of TDs and undervalue Kamara, will likely do themselves a disservice. He was pacing 250 carries and 64 receptions on over 80 targets. 300 total touches is impossible to ignore, regardless of decline. Assuming the right price obviously.

Good to see ya here FFC.

And yea I agree, it's a shame we won't be able to get him where he was going recently but glad I got him on one of my teams at such a bargain, like I said he will be a flex or rb3 or 4 for me and can't lose with that

 

[Faust]

“(Kamara) looks fast and explosive. He looks like himself…

Kamara had two really good plays. During a play-action period, he took a handoff to the outside and got to the edge, then he had a pretty good gain on a delayed screen where he took the ball up the hash.” #Saints

https://twitter.com/32beatwriters/status/1684263442641715213?s=21

 

[cockroach]

Seems like many are forgetting that the NFL has turned a new leaf with their suspension process as was agreed last year in the new NFLPA agreement.

I'm not going to bother looking it all up, but basically last year while dealing with the 3rd party judge for the D.Watson case, the original result was that there was no precedence set to suspend him for anything more than 4 games.

The NFL stepped in, overruled the judges decision, placing power back into Goodell's hands, who delegated to... A guy I can't remember. And the conclusion was, "were going to set a new precedent".

There's too many to remember, but the last precedent for physical violence (on video) was, I think, Kareem Hunt who punched and kicked a woman, was caught on film, and he got 8 games.

So, if the NFL is preaching equality, then hitting a man and hitting a woman should be the same punishment, but I'll believe it when I see it. Don't forget AP hitting his child, was an entire season. So there are levels to the suspension based on who you hit. Multiple domestic violence suspensions range from 4-6 over the past few years. That is consistent with what Goodell said after the previous update to the NFLPA agreement, after the Ray Rice case, in which Goodell said "effective immediately any N.F.L. employee — not only a player — who is found to have engaged in assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involved physical force will be suspended without pay for six games for a first offense. Second-time offenders will be banished from the league for at least one year."

The part that is getting overlooked here is that Kamara looked a lot more ordinary. It's likely he's past his prime.

Also, Kendre Miller is legit. Don't be surprised if the Saints move on from Kamara sooner than later.

The Saints were a trash fire last year, but don't overlook the fact, that despite a bad team, bad QB, despite only 4TDs all year long, Kamara was still the 13th best RB on a per game basis last season.

Even if he got to 8, which is still pretty low given his career, he would have jumped to RB9. I'm not disputing the potential decline, but people who ignore the flukiness of TDs and undervalue Kamara, will likely do themselves a disservice. He was pacing 250 carries and 64 receptions on over 80 targets. 300 total touches is impossible to ignore, regardless of decline. Assuming the right price obviously.

Agree. The Saints games I watched, I didn't see a decline in his game, just a really bad offense.

They went from always trying to get him in space by throwing him the ball to running him to the A gap most plays. Offense lost all creativity with Payton gone.

 

[pinkstapler]

Seems like many are forgetting that the NFL has turned a new leaf with their suspension process as was agreed last year in the new NFLPA agreement.

I'm not going to bother looking it all up, but basically last year while dealing with the 3rd party judge for the D.Watson case, the original result was that there was no precedence set to suspend him for anything more than 4 games.

The NFL stepped in, overruled the judges decision, placing power back into Goodell's hands, who delegated to... A guy I can't remember. And the conclusion was, "were going to set a new precedent".

There's too many to remember, but the last precedent for physical violence (on video) was, I think, Kareem Hunt who punched and kicked a woman, was caught on film, and he got 8 games.

So, if the NFL is preaching equality, then hitting a man and hitting a woman should be the same punishment, but I'll believe it when I see it. Don't forget AP hitting his child, was an entire season. So there are levels to the suspension based on who you hit. Multiple domestic violence suspensions range from 4-6 over the past few years. That is consistent with what Goodell said after the previous update to the NFLPA agreement, after the Ray Rice case, in which Goodell said "effective immediately any N.F.L. employee — not only a player — who is found to have engaged in assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involved physical force will be suspended without pay for six games for a first offense. Second-time offenders will be banished from the league for at least one year."

The part that is getting overlooked here is that Kamara looked a lot more ordinary. It's likely he's past his prime.

Also, Kendre Miller is legit. Don't be surprised if the Saints move on from Kamara sooner than later.

The Saints were a trash fire last year, but don't overlook the fact, that despite a bad team, bad QB, despite only 4TDs all year long, Kamara was still the 13th best RB on a per game basis last season.

Even if he got to 8, which is still pretty low given his career, he would have jumped to RB9. I'm not disputing the potential decline, but people who ignore the flukiness of TDs and undervalue Kamara, will likely do themselves a disservice. He was pacing 250 carries and 64 receptions on over 80 targets. 300 total touches is impossible to ignore, regardless of decline. Assuming the right price obviously.

Agree. The Saints games I watched, I didn't see a decline in his game, just a really bad offense.

They went from always trying to get him in space by throwing him the ball to running him to the A gap most plays. Offense lost all creativity with Payton gone.

Aside from the suspension length, this is one of my bigger worries with Kamara. And with the emergency of Olave, not sure if they will need to scheme a ton for Kamara anyhow. Sprinkle in the addition of the TD machine Williams, and the prospect of Kendre winning a decent share of touches if he performs well during the suspension... The only thing attractive about Kamara to me right now is his price in redraft, which I'm pretty sure will rise as we get closer to the season. If I can get him as an RB3 in the late 6th or 7th round sure. Once he starts going higher than that, I'd be out.

 

[Faust]

ESPN’s Katherine Terrell said Alvin Kamara hopes to meet with Roger Goodell prior to a potential suspension.

Kamara pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge stemming from a Las Vegas nightclub incident in early 2022. While his legal issues are now behind him, a suspension of some kind is expected to be handed down by the league at some point prior to the season. Through meeting with Goodell, Kamara hopes to “share his side of the story” in exchange for a lighter suspension. Kamara is currently being drafted as a low-end RB3 in best ball leagues but could easily outplay that if hit with a light suspension.

 

[nittanylion]

Adam Schefter reporting that Kamara is meeting with Goodell today.

 

[3nOut]

Adam Schefter reporting that Kamara is meeting with Goodell today.

 

[Faust]

NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport expects Alvin Kamara to be suspended.

Rapoport was only speculating, but it’s a good starting point for fantasy managers trying to decode Kamara’s situation. Kamara was facing a felony charge following an incident at a nightclub in Las Vegas during Pro Bowl weekend last year, but he eventually pled no contest to a misdemeanor and the felony charges were dropped. He is now meeting with Roger Goodell before the commissioner decides on a suspension. Rapoport threw out two, four, and six-week suspensions as possible outcomes. Jamaal Williams and Kendre Miller would both be in line for sizable roles if Kamara is out of action to start the year.