crushedspirit
Footballguy
Ya, this has become the worst kept secret. Robinson will shoot up the boards even more now.
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Dez
Footballguy
What a fall from grace. This is becoming a trend a RB gets the super hype train 1 year then after a year or two they fall way down the board.
CEH - 2020 was a 1st round pick once Damien Williams opted out. 2021 was a late 2nd/early 3rd. 2022 is now a 7th/8th round pick.
Miles Sanders 2020 was a late 1st round pick in many drafts - 2021 fell to the 4th round and now is a 7th/8th round pick.
Gibson cut out the middle man he went from late 1st/early 2nd in 2021 straight down to the 8th/9th round range currently and will continue to drop after seeing him return kicks and Brian Robinson start the game.
CEH - 2020 was a 1st round pick once Damien Williams opted out. 2021 was a late 2nd/early 3rd. 2022 is now a 7th/8th round pick.
Miles Sanders 2020 was a late 1st round pick in many drafts - 2021 fell to the 4th round and now is a 7th/8th round pick.
Gibson cut out the middle man he went from late 1st/early 2nd in 2021 straight down to the 8th/9th round range currently and will continue to drop after seeing him return kicks and Brian Robinson start the game.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Pulled the plug this week and packaged Gibson up with Hockenson and '23 draft capital to get Waddle. It might go down as a panic sell, but with the facts that are out there, I actually think he might be overvalued in current dynasty rankings and draft calculators which your leaguemates might put too much faith in.
For instance, he was 46th overall on fantasypros consensus a few days ago when I made the move. Currently at 48 (incidentally, it has truly felt like he's dropping a spot per day for most of the offseason). I don't think these rankings have caught up to the reality of this situation. I was listening to Ray Garvin this week, who has been one of Gibson's biggest cheerleaders. When pressed on who would he rather have in a startup, Robinson or Gibson, he chose Robinson. I'm not sure that I don't take Gibson's upside with that same choice, but I can understand how that's now a debate. For perspective, Robinson is currently #123rd overall / RB # 42. Obviously, that's criminally low. He'll move up to the 70th-90th range in short order, but I can't help but feel that this might be where the plummet ultimately takes Gibson if this is a healthy 3-man committee that Gibson doens't have a starring role in.
It feels like the Commanders and to some extenI Gibson have told us everything we need to know. Not telling McKissic, nah we're good, thanks for your service. Completely blocking off the role that Gibson seems most naturally suited for. Drafting Robinson, the true rusher that they were probably missing. And Gibson's response to this adversity is to promptly put the ball on the floor. Will it go down as WFT malpractice? Maybe, Perhaps Robinson is everything they hoped for, makes a beautiful tandem with McKissic and it frees up Washington to trade Gibson to a top offense that knows just what to do with his strengths. Maybe he's the 2nd round pick in '23 redraft leagues we've been hoping for. I also think there's a scenario where he goes on to have a Cordarelle Patterson like career where he might pop here and there for fantasy, but his value is never higher than where it is right now.
For instance, he was 46th overall on fantasypros consensus a few days ago when I made the move. Currently at 48 (incidentally, it has truly felt like he's dropping a spot per day for most of the offseason). I don't think these rankings have caught up to the reality of this situation. I was listening to Ray Garvin this week, who has been one of Gibson's biggest cheerleaders. When pressed on who would he rather have in a startup, Robinson or Gibson, he chose Robinson. I'm not sure that I don't take Gibson's upside with that same choice, but I can understand how that's now a debate. For perspective, Robinson is currently #123rd overall / RB # 42. Obviously, that's criminally low. He'll move up to the 70th-90th range in short order, but I can't help but feel that this might be where the plummet ultimately takes Gibson if this is a healthy 3-man committee that Gibson doens't have a starring role in.
It feels like the Commanders and to some extenI Gibson have told us everything we need to know. Not telling McKissic, nah we're good, thanks for your service. Completely blocking off the role that Gibson seems most naturally suited for. Drafting Robinson, the true rusher that they were probably missing. And Gibson's response to this adversity is to promptly put the ball on the floor. Will it go down as WFT malpractice? Maybe, Perhaps Robinson is everything they hoped for, makes a beautiful tandem with McKissic and it frees up Washington to trade Gibson to a top offense that knows just what to do with his strengths. Maybe he's the 2nd round pick in '23 redraft leagues we've been hoping for. I also think there's a scenario where he goes on to have a Cordarelle Patterson like career where he might pop here and there for fantasy, but his value is never higher than where it is right now.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sure, but they’re probably going to use McKissic like McKissic.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Headed towards the CFL is what it sounds like.
jm192
Footballguy
He’ll be less expensive. But he’s probably looking at ~10 carries a game. No passing work. Robinson may even take the goal line work. Not sure he’s going to be anything more than a bye week fill in.
We'll see. I always thought they used him wrong and he should be in more of a Kamara type role. Coaches talking about getting him the ball in space is a good thing.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I agree he should be used like that but for some reason Rivera loves McKissic.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
I’m also of the thinking that this might become a value situation. There sure seems to be lots of crowning of a rookie here …. Wentz will be a huge factor. Will he get the ball to his backs?!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
When all the dust settles I wouldn’t be surprised if this turned into a RBBC from hell.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I traded for Gibson early in the off-season because I needed an RB2 - and likely overpaid even at the time - that went poorly.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I barely missed Gibson in our dynasty draft, though I really wanted him. For the following, probably, 15-18 months I made numerous very generous offers for him. Thank you, leaguemates, for all those trade rejections!
By no means do I think his fantasy relevance is toast, but it's trending that way more and more by the week. If you came from 3 years in the future right now, and told me something along the lines of "he's a fantasy league winner for 2 of the next 3 years," I would be very surprised yet somehow very unsurprised at once.
By no means do I think his fantasy relevance is toast, but it's trending that way more and more by the week. If you came from 3 years in the future right now, and told me something along the lines of "he's a fantasy league winner for 2 of the next 3 years," I would be very surprised yet somehow very unsurprised at once.
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
I'm not surprised with Commanders HC Riveria's comment. I envision them transitioning Gibson as slasher role as similarly used by Falcons with Cordarelle Patterson. Gibson dances far too much for Riveria's taste. Beside, Gibson's indecisiveness and propensity to fumble didnt help his case as RB. This is why they took Brian Robinson to be their inside tackle runner. They need a guy who can provide nonsense and decisive runner.
finfansteve
Footballguy
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Complete avoid for me.
I'll take BRIAN ROBINSON a few rounds later and let him sit on my fantasy bench until ready.
I know Gibson has freakish talent, but I was never really sold on him to begin with.
Ron Rivera might not be ready to fully move on just yet, but I sure did.
I'll take BRIAN ROBINSON a few rounds later and let him sit on my fantasy bench until ready.
I know Gibson has freakish talent, but I was never really sold on him to begin with.
Ron Rivera might not be ready to fully move on just yet, but I sure did.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Thank you Gibson for winning me a DK Captains Showdown a couple of years ago, vs Dallas on Thanksgiving. Took 1st out of 6000+ for $2000.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
I believe he was a great "spot start" RB2 that season wasn't he?
Seems like a lifetime ago. I was never quite fully sold on him, but he did have workload and flashes at times.
FairWarning
Footballguy
i believe he had a very good stretch of games at the end of the season.
massraider
Footballguy
Where did Gibson finish in your leagues last year?
He was RB11 in mine.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
I'd have to look back, and I'm currently not at home.
However, our leagues are standard scoring, start 3WRs. I would assume offhand he finished much higher in PPR than standard formats.
Just a knee-jerk guess though.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
At some point Robinson will be going ahead of Gibson. Everyone gets the same news.Complete avoid for me.
I'll take BRIAN ROBINSON a few rounds later and let him sit on my fantasy bench until ready.
I know Gibson has freakish talent, but I was never really sold on him to begin with.
Ron Rivera might not be ready to fully move on just yet, but I sure did.
massraider
Footballguy
I have a draft Sunday, keeper draft (can keep players at original draft pick), and I fully expect Robinson to go before Gibson.
nightmare
Footballguy
Standigs podcast-he says B Robinson is the better bet on early downs. Also says B Robinson is the lead back.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Totally worth the price if he falls at RB3 values...he's already produced splash plays given the opportunity. Maybe they turn him into a souped up C-Patt.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Redskins are handling this right. Gibson fumbles but he still has a place in the offense, it's just not as a bellcow RB. Bring in an Alabama kid with low fumble rate, it's obvious what is going on. Gibson has 2 years left on his deal and someone will pay him. Robinson is on a 4 year deal.
If you were coach, you start bringing along Brian to be the guy.
If you were coach, you start bringing along Brian to be the guy.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Gibson can make plays that Robinson and McKissic can't. Full stop. Rivera is an old school coach and the idea of putting an incumbent in the dog house during the preseason isn't a new concept. He's clearly not going to be a bellcow but if you don't think he is going to be heavily involved you're deluding yourself. Such a screaming value all offseason but it is only getting better.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ok so where do we value this guy now?
I know what happened to Brian is bigger than football, but a lot of people have their drafts tonight and I'm sure want to appropriately price Gibson. FBG shot him up their rankings.... Is he the automatic 3 down back now? Does McKissic get much more work? Have to think Gibsons 7th round ADP should go up to about round 4/5 now?
Where do you guys slide him in now?
I know what happened to Brian is bigger than football, but a lot of people have their drafts tonight and I'm sure want to appropriately price Gibson. FBG shot him up their rankings.... Is he the automatic 3 down back now? Does McKissic get much more work? Have to think Gibsons 7th round ADP should go up to about round 4/5 now?
Where do you guys slide him in now?
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Pure fantasy football perspective. I drafted Robinson two weeks ago.
I’m still waiting to see what the true nature of Robinson’s injury is before I can project any enhanced usage for Gibson.
Outlook not so good, but I still haven’t read details of where he was shot or how serious it is.
A few hours before the injury there was a tweet from a WAS beat writer that Robinson has supplanted Gibson. My guess is that this puts Gibson back in the starter role, or if he truly was in the doghouse and unwanted in a starter role, perhaps the redskins make a play at Hunt or Harris. I highly doubt that last part, but when teams are pushed into a corner and lack depth they make moves.
Deamon
Footballguy
Says "lower extremities" so that's not good at all. Hope he's back but not sure how unless he was grazed.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Yeah, I guess my fantasy point is. Don’t just go dropping Robinson until we know more.
I can’t imagine holding him if it’s anything beyond a graze… but my personal experience with how fast bullet wounds heal is watching the Lethal Weapon movies growing up.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya I wouldn't drop Robinson yet, but more wondering about Gibson's value. Drafting tonight in the league I commission and want him of course, just trying to see where to slot him into rankings.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
If I assumed he was going to be the starter. I’d probably bump him into that group of 5th rounders. I like all of those 4th rounders better than him, except for maybe Hall, who I’m personally quite low on.
4th rounders: Mitchel, Montgomery, ETH, Breece Hall, Josh Jacobs
5th rounders: Dobbins, Dillon, CEH, Harris
6th rounders: Pollard, Gibson, Penny, Singletary
7th rounders: Sanders, Edmonds, Stevenson, Hunt, Gordon
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Poor choice of words.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Seems a bit odd that no local reporter is talking about the extent of Robinson's injury
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya it is strange for sure. Maybe it hasn't been released? He did tell his teammates he'd be back soon doing what he loves. Is there a chance he's ok to play?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There's no real precedent for this. My automatic reaction when you hear he was shot was he's done for the year, but maybe once the bullets are removed (assuming no internal damage) - it's basically just a wound healing.
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