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nittanylion
Footballguy
Here's what's up: Alamo Bowl, Thursday, 12/29 9pm
Rotation # 257 U68
Pound the crap out of that and end 2022 on a high note!
Rotation # 257 U68
Pound the crap out of that and end 2022 on a high note!
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Im gonna take a swing at this.
You think the Texans bowl game ends under 68 points? And you recommend putting money on it so our 2022 ends better.
Also you put that in the Bijan thread because he isn’t playing?
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What are you drunk Mr. Hurley?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
nittanylion
Footballguy
Umm...yes?
That line opened on 12/05 at 64, and sharp money bet the over up to 68.5 right out of the gate. The quants already disagreed with that move. Since the news broke that BR is out, many of those sharps are buying out of it (betting the under against their previous over play) to only lose the juice in the middle. According to some advanced statistical analytic models, it's one of the most likely totals of all the Bowls to go under the current number, with almost a 60% likelihood and a projected total of 63. I usually play anything north of 57.5%. It's still gambling, of course. Nothing guaranteed...but of all the sides and totals of all the Bowl games, it's the one I like the most, and if I could only make one bet...
...YMMV.
I had the 2023 #2 pick that I got in a trade. Tried to trade that and 2 other late round 1sts to move up to 1.1 but got a firm no.For those considering moving off of the 1.01, or taking someone other than Bijan with that pick, this is a good watch
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
SF?I had the 2023 #2 pick that I got in a trade. Tried to trade that and 2 other late round 1sts to move up to 1.1 but got a firm no.For those considering moving off of the 1.01, or taking someone other than Bijan with that pick, this is a good watch
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If not, Gibbs is a close second. AKA “Kamara II” according to most comps.
And depending on landing spot (many have Sanders gone in FA & Gibbs to the Eagles) a case could be made to go Gibbs at 1.02 regardless.
But Bijan is the sexy pick for sure and should have top 15 draft capital - rare for a modern RB.
No SFSF?I had the 2023 #2 pick that I got in a trade. Tried to trade that and 2 other late round 1sts to move up to 1.1 but got a firm no.For those considering moving off of the 1.01, or taking someone other than Bijan with that pick, this is a good watch
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If not, Gibbs is a close second. AKA “Kamara II” according to most comps.
And depending on landing spot (many have Sanders gone in FA & Gibbs to the Eagles) a case could be made to go Gibbs at 1.02 regardless.
But Bijan is the sexy pick for sure and should have top 15 draft capital - rare for a modern RB.
After getting rebuffed, I traded the #2 overall for Tee Higgins. He's on a "golden contract" so I can basically keep him forever for only $300 (125K cap limit).
Still have #6 and the two later rounders. Love this league. So many little nuances that make for more trading.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Someone on FBG was saying Gibbs' size could be a big issue that could get in the way of him becoming a star. Which I didn't understand, but he sounded like he knew what he was talking about.SF?I had the 2023 #2 pick that I got in a trade. Tried to trade that and 2 other late round 1sts to move up to 1.1 but got a firm no.For those considering moving off of the 1.01, or taking someone other than Bijan with that pick, this is a good watch
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If not, Gibbs is a close second. AKA “Kamara II” according to most comps.
And depending on landing spot (many have Sanders gone in FA & Gibbs to the Eagles) a case could be made to go Gibbs at 1.02 regardless.
But Bijan is the sexy pick for sure and should have top 15 draft capital - rare for a modern RB.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ve seen that as well, but his receiving profile & performance at the underwear Olympics will have scouts drooling.Someone on FBG was saying Gibbs' size could be a big issue that could get in the way of him becoming a star. Which I didn't understand, but he sounded like he knew what he was talking about.SF?I had the 2023 #2 pick that I got in a trade. Tried to trade that and 2 other late round 1sts to move up to 1.1 but got a firm no.For those considering moving off of the 1.01, or taking someone other than Bijan with that pick, this is a good watch
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If not, Gibbs is a close second. AKA “Kamara II” according to most comps.
And depending on landing spot (many have Sanders gone in FA & Gibbs to the Eagles) a case could be made to go Gibbs at 1.02 regardless.
But Bijan is the sexy pick for sure and should have top 15 draft capital - rare for a modern RB.
Also, that concern is likely how a bottom of the draft team like PHI would get him.
To me his landing spot is my only concern - if he goes to a team where he can be the next Ekeler, jackpot - automatic top 4 dynasty rookie pick.
If not, he could be a 3rd down/COP back, which would severely cap his FF upside. I wouldn’t take him too 4 in that circumstance.
5'11" and 200 pounds. Pretty light for someone that tall. Can probably add some bulk on that frameSomeone on FBG was saying Gibbs' size could be a big issue that could get in the way of him becoming a star. Which I didn't understand, but he sounded like he knew what he was talking about.SF?I had the 2023 #2 pick that I got in a trade. Tried to trade that and 2 other late round 1sts to move up to 1.1 but got a firm no.For those considering moving off of the 1.01, or taking someone other than Bijan with that pick, this is a good watch
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If not, Gibbs is a close second. AKA “Kamara II” according to most comps.
And depending on landing spot (many have Sanders gone in FA & Gibbs to the Eagles) a case could be made to go Gibbs at 1.02 regardless.
But Bijan is the sexy pick for sure and should have top 15 draft capital - rare for a modern RB.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He’s also young, and he’s sort of a hybrid RB/WR.5'11" and 200 pounds. Pretty light for someone that tall. Can probably add some bulk on that frameSomeone on FBG was saying Gibbs' size could be a big issue that could get in the way of him becoming a star. Which I didn't understand, but he sounded like he knew what he was talking about.SF?I had the 2023 #2 pick that I got in a trade. Tried to trade that and 2 other late round 1sts to move up to 1.1 but got a firm no.For those considering moving off of the 1.01, or taking someone other than Bijan with that pick, this is a good watch
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If not, Gibbs is a close second. AKA “Kamara II” according to most comps.
And depending on landing spot (many have Sanders gone in FA & Gibbs to the Eagles) a case could be made to go Gibbs at 1.02 regardless.
But Bijan is the sexy pick for sure and should have top 15 draft capital - rare for a modern RB.
Again, IMO landing spot is everything with Gibbs. On the right team, he could be a FF monster.
EBF
Footballguy
My comparison for Gibbs in the offseason was a more compact Kenyan Drake. I've seen the Kamara comparison, but Kamara was 214 pounds at the combine. If Gibbs is really 5'11" 200 then he's a lot leaner. He's electric and fluid, but that also applied to Drake, and Drake hasn't been able to lock down a starting role in the NFL because teams don't trust him to carry the load. My fear with Gibbs would be that he ends up in a time share instead of being the guy, but all outcomes are possible. Someone like Jamaal Charles was not very big, but made it work.
I like Bijan, but have felt the hype is out of sync with his talent level. I've seen Barkley comparisons. He's not in the same stratosphere as an athlete. Nowhere near as big/strong, and probably not as fast either. You see him mocked anywhere from top 5 to late 1st, which is a pretty wide range for someone hyped as a generational type. I don't know if he's as special as people suggest, but he'll be a strong consideration at the top of rookie drafts.
My slightly contrarian take is that Tucker has a chance to be better than both of them. He certainly appears to have better play strength and a higher weight/height ratio, yet he doesn't surrender much speed or elusiveness to either of those guys. His game may be a better fit to the NFL, with the strong frame and elusive running style.
Those three and Corum are the four RBs I marked with a star in my offseason dev list, meaning they're the ones who most convinced me at first glance.
I don't think the combine is THAT important, but it will be a factor for differentiating this crew and determiningg exactly how high they might go. How fast do these guys run? What's their actual weight when they tip the scales? It may seem trivial, but there's a big difference between 200 pounds/4.5 and 215/4.4 in terms of trying to figure out what these guys might become on Sundays. If Gibbs is going to live up that Kamara comparison, you'd like to see him weigh in at 210+.
I like Bijan, but have felt the hype is out of sync with his talent level. I've seen Barkley comparisons. He's not in the same stratosphere as an athlete. Nowhere near as big/strong, and probably not as fast either. You see him mocked anywhere from top 5 to late 1st, which is a pretty wide range for someone hyped as a generational type. I don't know if he's as special as people suggest, but he'll be a strong consideration at the top of rookie drafts.
My slightly contrarian take is that Tucker has a chance to be better than both of them. He certainly appears to have better play strength and a higher weight/height ratio, yet he doesn't surrender much speed or elusiveness to either of those guys. His game may be a better fit to the NFL, with the strong frame and elusive running style.
Those three and Corum are the four RBs I marked with a star in my offseason dev list, meaning they're the ones who most convinced me at first glance.
I don't think the combine is THAT important, but it will be a factor for differentiating this crew and determiningg exactly how high they might go. How fast do these guys run? What's their actual weight when they tip the scales? It may seem trivial, but there's a big difference between 200 pounds/4.5 and 215/4.4 in terms of trying to figure out what these guys might become on Sundays. If Gibbs is going to live up that Kamara comparison, you'd like to see him weigh in at 210+.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ve seen Ravens a couple times. USA Today IIRC.
Walter Football, who’s usually decent at mocking, has AZ taking him at 4, which I’m a little skeptical of.
I’ve also seen a couple of mocks with TB taking him (ouch for White) and one with the Eagles getting him, which would be a jackpot with that OL & the threat of Hurts.
No doubt if he goes to a team with an existing RB, that RBs value will be crushed.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Lots of mocks have Gibbs to Philly too, which would be obscenely productive of a landing spot.
I read 2 NFL mocks today with Bijan going to the Bills.
While it’s horrific news for anyone holding Bills RBs, my god could you imagine how productive he’d be in that offense? Pass pro is a major strength for him, so he’d be on the field a lot.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
This guy averages 13 YARDS PER RECEPTION as an RB? I wish I could give up the farm for the 1.1 in PPR
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Very excited to make him the cornerstone of my rebuilding franchise.
if Sanders walks, Bijan to PHI will be a lock in nearly every mock. I wouldn’t rull out ATL, DET, HOU, GB in the first half of the draft or in my personal opinion: TENN. Henry will be 29 and running the ball is pretty much the Titans entire identity on offense. Teams like BUF, DAL, KC, BAL, CIN, MIN are all picking too late IMO if the hype is as strong with team FO’s as it is with us Fantasy folks.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Someone like Baltimore or another RB needy team picking before Philly would draft him first. The Eagles are looking at the next tier of RBs if they go that direction.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think he means with their 1st pick at 1.10 (via NOS)
Which is insanely early for a RB in today’s NFL.
Most mocks I’ve seen have Bijan to either TB or BUF (30), who picks before PHI’s last pick in the 1st (32). That’s why so many are projecting Gibbs to PHI with that pick.
It’s all just mocks and we know how (in)accurate they are, but yeah - if PHI wants Bijan, it would likely have to be with the 1.10
And I would be in rebuild heaven.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I didn't know they had an early pick, thanks.I think he means with their 1st pick at 1.10 (via NOS)
Which is insanely early for a RB in today’s NFL.
Most mocks I’ve seen have Bijan to either TB or BUF (30), who picks before PHI’s last pick in the 1st (32). That’s why so many are projecting Gibbs to PHI with that pick.
It’s all just mocks and we know how (in)accurate they are, but yeah - if PHI wants Bijan, it would likely have to be with the 1.10
And I would be in rebuild heaven.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah - I’d be a little shocked if they spent it on a RB, but honestly what do the Eagles need more?I didn't know they had an early pick, thanks.I think he means with their 1st pick at 1.10 (via NOS)
Which is insanely early for a RB in today’s NFL.
Most mocks I’ve seen have Bijan to either TB or BUF (30), who picks before PHI’s last pick in the 1st (32). That’s why so many are projecting Gibbs to PHI with that pick.
It’s all just mocks and we know how (in)accurate they are, but yeah - if PHI wants Bijan, it would likely have to be with the 1.10
And I would be in rebuild heaven.
Some mocks have them taking an EDGE, or a CB, then still landing Gibbs late in the 1st, which is probably a lot smarter.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That would also be a great spot, and would kill Mostert & Wilson’s value.
I’ve seen Gibbs mocked to MIA as a receiving specialist which would be a bad spot for him, IMO.
Miami has no 1st round pick though so Bijan likely wouldn’t be in play for them, maybe Gibbs as you said if he slips in the draft or they move up.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh yeah - forfeited pick 18. Oof. That’s gonna leave a mark.
Of course they could trade back up into the 1st.
I think Miami would be awesome for Gibbs as well.
In part due to the offense, scheme, speed of those WR's opening things up but also because those two RB's are I believe not under contract. So where you say it would kill their value I don't really view them as Dolphins players at this point.
Man, I forgot all about them sending that second one for Chubb.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s a good point. If Gibbs landed in MIA as anything resembling a featured back he’d be an absolute monster.
Yeah, was talking 1.10. We’ll have to see if Bijan’s draft hype matches his fantasy hype. If so and say he kills it at the combine, I think 1st half of 1st round is definitely in play even with RB’s not highly valued now.Yeah - I’d be a little shocked if they spent it on a RB, but honestly what do the Eagles need more?I didn't know they had an early pick, thanks.I think he means with their 1st pick at 1.10 (via NOS)
Which is insanely early for a RB in today’s NFL.
Most mocks I’ve seen have Bijan to either TB or BUF (30), who picks before PHI’s last pick in the 1st (32). That’s why so many are projecting Gibbs to PHI with that pick.
It’s all just mocks and we know how (in)accurate they are, but yeah - if PHI wants Bijan, it would likely have to be with the 1.10
And I would be in rebuild heaven.
Some mocks have them taking an EDGE, or a CB, then still landing Gibbs late in the 1st, which is probably a lot smarter.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
His only negative is he’s not a burner.Yeah, was talking 1.10. We’ll have to see if Bijan’s draft hype matches his fantasy hype. If so and say he kills it at the combine, I think 1st half of 1st round is definitely in play even with RB’s not highly valued now.Yeah - I’d be a little shocked if they spent it on a RB, but honestly what do the Eagles need more?I didn't know they had an early pick, thanks.I think he means with their 1st pick at 1.10 (via NOS)
Which is insanely early for a RB in today’s NFL.
Most mocks I’ve seen have Bijan to either TB or BUF (30), who picks before PHI’s last pick in the 1st (32). That’s why so many are projecting Gibbs to PHI with that pick.
It’s all just mocks and we know how (in)accurate they are, but yeah - if PHI wants Bijan, it would likely have to be with the 1.10
And I would be in rebuild heaven.
Some mocks have them taking an EDGE, or a CB, then still landing Gibbs late in the 1st, which is probably a lot smarter.
Ideal size/weight/pass pro/shiftiness/receiving.etc
But he’s not likely to run a sub 4.5 40
I doubt that scares off any teams based on his body of work.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
seems premature
If he's over 4.5 and Gibbs is anything close to the 4.32 he says he can run then I think there becomes a solid shot, not what I think will happen but a solid shot, that Robinson won't be the first RB chosen in the NFL draft.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
There is no way on Gods green earth that Howie burns the 10th overall pick on a RBYeah, was talking 1.10. We’ll have to see if Bijan’s draft hype matches his fantasy hype. If so and say he kills it at the combine, I think 1st half of 1st round is definitely in play even with RB’s not highly valued now.Yeah - I’d be a little shocked if they spent it on a RB, but honestly what do the Eagles need more?I didn't know they had an early pick, thanks.I think he means with their 1st pick at 1.10 (via NOS)
Which is insanely early for a RB in today’s NFL.
Most mocks I’ve seen have Bijan to either TB or BUF (30), who picks before PHI’s last pick in the 1st (32). That’s why so many are projecting Gibbs to PHI with that pick.
It’s all just mocks and we know how (in)accurate they are, but yeah - if PHI wants Bijan, it would likely have to be with the 1.10
And I would be in rebuild heaven.
Some mocks have them taking an EDGE, or a CB, then still landing Gibbs late in the 1st, which is probably a lot smarter.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
He's going to BAL. There's no way they resign Dobbins so they'll be looking for a replacement. BUF is a possibility also.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I believe Robinson has so many superior attributes, including/especially prototypical size/weight, that it’s difficult to imagine Gibbs going ahead of him purely on speed.
But hey, the raiders pick at 1.07, so ya never know what the ghost of Al Davis might do.
Heh
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Correct. Was only quoting what a few mocks had.
I don't agree he has so many superior attributes. Personally I think it's one, size. Which is extremely important of course and is the difference between main course RB and player maybe best used as a side dish. But in an increasingly RBBC NFL environment the abilty to be more of an everydown back as Bijan projects and Gibbs does not is not as critical IMO.
Because of the way the NFL prioritizes speed, ability to flip the field, I don't see how it's difficult to imagine. Different position but same principle why John Ross was a top 10 pick and Ruggs was drafted ahead of so many other WR prospects I and most of us here thought were superior. I'd bet my soul if Gibbs is 2/10th of a second faster in the 40 he'll be ranked above Bijan on at least some teams boards. Again I'm not predicting Gibbs goes over Bijan, but I think right now they are closer then people think and I'm saying it's possible and not something that would even remotely surprise me. I don't think that would have much impact on Bijan going 1.1 because most dynasty owners know that speed matters more to the NFL then us. Similar thing with Achane. Right now I think he's going to land in round 2, does not mean we in fantasy will be that high on him or wont' be drafting the Tucker, Evans,etc over him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree on all points, but 1.
I do believe Bijan has quite a few attributes besides size/weight - he’s been a top prospect since HS for a reason, he has great vision, a wicked jump cut, he’s a patient runner, and he has a ton of power to get yards after contact.
Gibbs isn’t close on the last one - Bijan broke a ton of tackles. IIRC he broke 104, and lead all RB in that stat. That is also a highly desirable trait at the NFL level.
With the top 4 picks, I’m likely to draft both (landing spot depending) so I’m thrilled they’re both considered as 1st year starters in the NFL and I’ll be thrilled if they’re both 1st round picks.
That said, given the nature of today‘a NFL I wouldn’t be shocked if one or both fell to the 2nd.
Power and size are the same attribute in this case.
Gibbs is the most electric runner I've seen in years. Also has great vision, body control, movement skills.
The only thing I can say for sure is that Bijan is bigger which again is the same thing to me as saying more powerful.
rockaction
Footballguy
Ooh, I don't know. I'm still a sucker for speed. And I don't mean just straight-line speed, but speed and balance through cuts and such. Speed gets you drafted higher, which gets you on the field more, which gives you volume, which leads to fantasy points.
Speed is baked into the draft cake. Speed finds its way onto the field. Lack of speed causes coaches to draft guys with speed even if you've been perfectly acceptable or even good (James Robinson, looking at you).
