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RB Bijan Robinson, ATL (1 Viewer)

Except that you had Montgomery putting up consistent double digits in weeks 1-14, then hurt his knee. That makes a 46-point week for Gibbs a little less likely with Monty healthy.
I’ve seen various reports indicating that Monty will have a slightly reduced role to the benefit of Gibbs. I think Monty effectively wears down defenses that actually helps Gibbs break off some of those long touchdowns.

The presence of Monty doesn’t really concern me much with Gibb’s value.
 
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The top 2 consensus guys seem to be Chase and Bijan. Is there much decision on not taking whatever one falls to #2?
I'd make cases for CMC and Barkley over either of them. Bijan (in my eyes) is a safe floor pick, but I don't see much upside from what he did last season, which is fine, but not what I'm looking for in a top-2 pick. I think Bijan is more of a mid-1st rounder.
 
The top 2 consensus guys seem to be Chase and Bijan. Is there much decision on not taking whatever one falls to #2?
I'd make cases for CMC and Barkley over either of them. Bijan (in my eyes) is a safe floor pick, but I don't see much upside from what he did last season, which is fine, but not what I'm looking for in a top-2 pick. I think Bijan is more of a mid-1st rounder.
Disagree on Bijan’s ceiling. During the first 4-5 weeks last season, Allgeier was still playing a decent number of snaps before they finally made Bijan essentially the bellcow(for today’s NFL standards.)
 
The top 2 consensus guys seem to be Chase and Bijan. Is there much decision on not taking whatever one falls to #2?
I'd make cases for CMC and Barkley over either of them. Bijan (in my eyes) is a safe floor pick, but I don't see much upside from what he did last season, which is fine, but not what I'm looking for in a top-2 pick. I think Bijan is more of a mid-1st rounder.
Disagree on Bijan’s ceiling. During the first 4-5 weeks last season, Allgeier was still playing a decent number of snaps before they finally made Bijan essentially the bellcow(for today’s NFL standards.)
That post week 5 stretch is a 397-touch pace. He had 365. I don't see the Falcons feeding Bijan more, and they'd be stupid to do so in my opinion, as Allgeier is really good, probably the best #2 RB in the NFL.

Bijan had only 3 games under 18 touches last year. In one of them, Allgeier was outplaying him that week, another was a game Cousins threw 58 passes, and the last one was a game the Falcons lost 38-6. But Bijan's snap % didn't really change much all season. In fact, 2 of his 5 highest snap % weeks were in the opening 3 weeks. He just didn't do much because they played the Steelers and Chiefs defenses.
 
The top 2 consensus guys seem to be Chase and Bijan. Is there much decision on not taking whatever one falls to #2?
I'd make cases for CMC and Barkley over either of them. Bijan (in my eyes) is a safe floor pick, but I don't see much upside from what he did last season, which is fine, but not what I'm looking for in a top-2 pick. I think Bijan is more of a mid-1st rounder.
Disagree on Bijan’s ceiling. During the first 4-5 weeks last season, Allgeier was still playing a decent number of snaps before they finally made Bijan essentially the bellcow(for today’s NFL standards.)
That post week 5 stretch is a 397-touch pace. He had 365. I don't see the Falcons feeding Bijan more, and they'd be stupid to do so in my opinion, as Allgeier is really good, probably the best #2 RB in the NFL.

Bijan had only 3 games under 18 touches last year. In one of them, Allgeier was outplaying him that week, another was a game Cousins threw 58 passes, and the last one was a game the Falcons lost 38-6. But Bijan's snap % didn't really change much all season. In fact, 2 of his 5 highest snap % weeks were in the opening 3 weeks. He just didn't do much because they played the Steelers and Chiefs defenses.
Where I think he really has potential to expand his role even more is in the passing game. He’s a really good pass catcher out of the backfield. I expect his target total to be well north of the 67 he received last year.

I’m such a believer in the talent I really think his floor this season is 1400/650. I concede that may be a hot take, but I plan on putting my money where my mouth is in a few weeks when I have the 1.01 pick in a redraft.
 
I'd make cases for CMC and Barkley over either of them. Bijan (in my eyes) is a safe floor pick, but I don't see much upside from what he did last season, which is fine, but not what I'm looking for in a top-2 pick.
Chase produce more than a few league-winning weeks last year.

Lamb showed in 2023 that he’s more than capable of that as well.

IMO those two are a balance of upside & floor, without the not insignificant risk that CMC carries. Saquan workload doesn’t scare me as much as it probably should, so I’ve got him over CMC as well.
 
I'd make cases for CMC and Barkley over either of them. Bijan (in my eyes) is a safe floor pick, but I don't see much upside from what he did last season, which is fine, but not what I'm looking for in a top-2 pick.
Chase produce more than a few league-winning weeks last year.

Lamb showed in 2023 that he’s more than capable of that as well.

IMO those two are a balance of upside & floor, without the not insignificant risk that CMC carries. Saquan workload doesn’t scare me as much as it probably should, so I’ve got him over CMC as well.
I've got Lamb as WR1, and #3 overall.
 
One thing i learned this offseason is that Bijan rhymes with dijon and is not pronounced Bee-jon.

I say dijon like Bee-jon :shrug:
That's my feeling. @MTskibum , do you mean something like Be John, with a hard "J"? Because, I think @eighsse2 got it right with bee-zhahn,which absolutely rhymes with Dijon.

FTR: I will not allow this thread to get back on track until we get clarification on this essential issue.
 
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According to Weezer, it's bee-ZHAHN.
 
The top 2 consensus guys seem to be Chase and Bijan. Is there much decision on not taking whatever one falls to #2?
I'd make cases for CMC and Barkley over either of them. Bijan (in my eyes) is a safe floor pick, but I don't see much upside from what he did last season, which is fine, but not what I'm looking for in a top-2 pick. I think Bijan is more of a mid-1st rounder.
Disagree on Bijan’s ceiling. During the first 4-5 weeks last season, Allgeier was still playing a decent number of snaps before they finally made Bijan essentially the bellcow(for today’s NFL standards.)
That post week 5 stretch is a 397-touch pace. He had 365. I don't see the Falcons feeding Bijan more, and they'd be stupid to do so in my opinion, as Allgeier is really good, probably the best #2 RB in the NFL.

Bijan had only 3 games under 18 touches last year. In one of them, Allgeier was outplaying him that week, another was a game Cousins threw 58 passes, and the last one was a game the Falcons lost 38-6. But Bijan's snap % didn't really change much all season. In fact, 2 of his 5 highest snap % weeks were in the opening 3 weeks. He just didn't do much because they played the Steelers and Chiefs defenses.
Allgeier isn’t good. He blew blocking assignments and missed the hole on multiple key short yardage plays. He was the definition of mid, even for a backup.
 
I've got Lamb as WR1, and #3 overall.
I also have Lamb WR1 this year, but wouldn’t be shocked if it were any of Lamb, Chase, JJ, or (gulp) London.

The obscene target share combined with Penix willingness to sling it downfield, plus lack of other quality options on the team could be magical.
 
I've got Lamb as WR1, and #3 overall.
I also have Lamb WR1 this year, but wouldn’t be shocked if it were any of Lamb, Chase, JJ, or (gulp) London.

The obscene target share combined with Penix willingness to sling it downfield, plus lack of other quality options on the team could be magical.
I got Lamb as WR2 and player 4 overall. Have had Lamb in that spot as WR2 since I started drafting in January.

This will sound crazy but I've got at least 6 WR's I view as being most likely to be THE WR1 over JJ. That's not how I have them ranked, just not seeing this year as a season he turns up another level statistically or gets back to his 2022 season level of production.
 
How concerned should we be about Bijan's production given the recent OL injuries?
I own zero shares of baaaaajon, but if I did I'd have ZERO concerns. Dudes about to be the #1 scoring rb in all formats.
I would take him top 3 without hesitation as well.
For about 3 days I was taking him over Chase at pick 1. Didn't make sense. I absolutely would take him at pick 2 in any startup.
I'd take Bijan over Gibbs in redarft but in dynasty would prefer Gibbs.
 
How concerned should we be about Bijan's production given the recent OL injuries?
I own zero shares of baaaaajon, but if I did I'd have ZERO concerns. Dudes about to be the #1 scoring rb in all formats.
I would take him top 3 without hesitation as well.
For about 3 days I was taking him over Chase at pick 1. Didn't make sense. I absolutely would take him at pick 2 in any startup.
I'd take Bijan over Gibbs in redarft but in dynasty would prefer Gibbs.

Yeah Bijan is 1.1 in redraft imo
 
How concerned should we be about Bijan's production given the recent OL injuries?
I own zero shares of baaaaajon, but if I did I'd have ZERO concerns. Dudes about to be the #1 scoring rb in all formats.
I would take him top 3 without hesitation as well.
For about 3 days I was taking him over Chase at pick 1. Didn't make sense. I absolutely would take him at pick 2 in any startup.
I'd take Bijan over Gibbs in redarft but in dynasty would prefer Gibbs.
Yep - I did a start-up SF recently and with the 11th pick managed to have a choice between Lamb & Gibbs. I panicked a little and took Lamb, then Gibbs made the turn. But in hindsight I should 100% have gone Gibbs.
 
He's a solid 18-20 points a week, hard to dispute after last season, pretty consistent but has yet to have a game that might look like this....

-The hype on this guy when he entered the league was that he would be generational
I haven't seen that yet
 
How concerned should we be about Bijan's production given the recent OL injuries?
I own zero shares of baaaaajon, but if I did I'd have ZERO concerns. Dudes about to be the #1 scoring rb in all formats.
I would take him top 3 without hesitation as well.
For about 3 days I was taking him over Chase at pick 1. Didn't make sense. I absolutely would take him at pick 2 in any startup.
Im in the same boat , but Cincy D is so average to bad that you HAVE to take a chance most games will be a shootout, and unless they throw the whole defense at Chase ,hes going to light it up almost every game. My only concern is that im in a keep 2 players keeper league and 90 % of the players taken are WR `s meaning most will draft Rb`s in the first 2rds ,leaving scraps .
 
He's a solid 18-20 points a week, hard to dispute after last season, pretty consistent but has yet to have a game that might look like this....

-The hype on this guy when he entered the league was that he would be generational
I haven't seen that yet
They hype always suggests a player is going to be generational. Trevor Lawrence is a great recent example. We'll see how generational Caleb Williams turns out to be but the early returns were kinda mid (although much better than many are willing to acknowledge). Jeanty is this years guy, but in his case it's already a stone cold fact. They've already molded his uber upper tier HoF statue. Full body, none of that mediocre head only stuff.

Nude, as all truly great works of art are.
 
How concerned should we be about Bijan's production given the recent OL injuries?
I don't see how he can be the #1 RB, I really don't get it. I never had him there before the injuries, but like McGary is their 2nd best run blocker, Dalman was a top-5 NFL Center. This was an elite OL (#1 run block grade from PFF) last season, that looks decidedly average right now. We also have no idea if Penix will check down like Cousins did. Small sample size, but he had 20 receiving yards in 3 games with Penix. He averaged almost 30 per game with Cousins.

I think Bijan has a very high floor, but I don't see the ceiling for where he's going.
 
How concerned should we be about Bijan's production given the recent OL injuries?
I don't see how he can be the #1 RB, I really don't get it. I never had him there before the injuries, but like McGary is their 2nd best run blocker, Dalman was a top-5 NFL Center. This was an elite OL (#1 run block grade from PFF) last season, that looks decidedly average right now. We also have no idea if Penix will check down like Cousins did. Small sample size, but he had 20 receiving yards in 3 games with Penix. He averaged almost 30 per game with Cousins.

I think Bijan has a very high floor, but I don't see the ceiling for where he's going.
He also averaged 118 yards rushing and 2 rushing TDs in his three games with Pennix.
 
How concerned should we be about Bijan's production given the recent OL injuries?
I don't see how he can be the #1 RB, I really don't get it. I never had him there before the injuries, but like McGary is their 2nd best run blocker, Dalman was a top-5 NFL Center. This was an elite OL (#1 run block grade from PFF) last season, that looks decidedly average right now. We also have no idea if Penix will check down like Cousins did. Small sample size, but he had 20 receiving yards in 3 games with Penix. He averaged almost 30 per game with Cousins.

I think Bijan has a very high floor, but I don't see the ceiling for where he's going.
He also averaged 118 yards rushing and 2 rushing TDs in his three games with Pennix.
Right, but that's obviously unsustainable (380-2006-34) the receiving is a small concern that it could carry over. I'm not saying avoid Bijan by any means, he absolutely is a 1st round pick, but #1 overall just feels too high to me, especially given the OL downgrades.
 
We also have no idea if Penix will check down like Cousins did. Small sample size, but he had 20 receiving yards in 3 games with Penix. He averaged almost 30 per game with Cousins.
In that small sample, Pennix moved the ball better than Cousins. Robinson had 6 rushing TDs in 3 games, plus 94, 90, 170 rushing yards. But if Penix only has eyes for London, that's a concern.

C Dalman missed 8 games last year. Didn't Detroit also lose 2 linemen along with a coordinator, thinking of Gibbs. In the event Pennix struggles, Cousins is still there.
 
We also have no idea if Penix will check down like Cousins did. Small sample size, but he had 20 receiving yards in 3 games with Penix. He averaged almost 30 per game with Cousins.
In that small sample, Pennix moved the ball better than Cousins. Robinson had 6 rushing TDs in 3 games, plus 94, 90, 170 rushing yards. But if Penix only has eyes for London, that's a concern.

C Dalman missed 8 games last year. Didn't Detroit also lose 2 linemen along with a coordinator, thinking of Gibbs. In the event Pennix struggles, Cousins is still there.
I have concerns about Gibbs and view them about equally. I'd take CMC (minority opinion) and Barkley (I'd think that's pretty normal) over both of them.
 
Bijan to me is the clear top RB. Youngest, young offense, still ascending, and ended the year on fire once he was in rhythm. He’s an ankle breaker and elite in space. Of course he needs his O line to get healthy again. Saquon is also in contention for top RB but those touches that piled up are insane. 29 year old CMC is a clear difference maker but have you heard of his injuries ever improving or going away?

you can’t go wrong with Bijan, Gibbs, or Saquon as your top 3 RBs but give me Bijan for this year.
 
Bijan to me is the clear top RB. Youngest, young offense, still ascending, and ended the year on fire once he was in rhythm. He’s an ankle breaker and elite in space. Of course he needs his O line to get healthy again. Saquon is also in contention for top RB but those touches that piled up are insane. 29 year old CMC is a clear difference maker but have you heard of his injuries ever improving or going away?

you can’t go wrong with Bijan, Gibbs, or Saquon as your top 3 RBs but give me Bijan for this year.

I think two of his OL are down for a long, long time.
 
Bijan to me is the clear top RB. Youngest, young offense, still ascending, and ended the year on fire once he was in rhythm. He’s an ankle breaker and elite in space. Of course he needs his O line to get healthy again. Saquon is also in contention for top RB but those touches that piled up are insane. 29 year old CMC is a clear difference maker but have you heard of his injuries ever improving or going away?

you can’t go wrong with Bijan, Gibbs, or Saquon as your top 3 RBs but give me Bijan for this year.

I think two of his OL are down for a long, long time.
The starting RT is out 4-6 weeks, but the other 4 starting Olineman are healthy. The backup Tackle is out for longer. Charlie Woerner is an excellent blocking TE.
 
Bijan to me is the clear top RB. Youngest, young offense, still ascending, and ended the year on fire once he was in rhythm. He’s an ankle breaker and elite in space. Of course he needs his O line to get healthy again. Saquon is also in contention for top RB but those touches that piled up are insane. 29 year old CMC is a clear difference maker but have you heard of his injuries ever improving or going away?

you can’t go wrong with Bijan, Gibbs, or Saquon as your top 3 RBs but give me Bijan for this year.

I think two of his OL are down for a long, long time.
The starting RT is out 4-6 weeks, but the other 4 starting Olineman are healthy. The backup Tackle is out for longer. Charlie Woerner is an excellent blocking TE.

Oh, okay. Thank you. 4-6 is 1/3 to 1/2 of the fantasy season, so it seems drastic.
 
Bijan to me is the clear top RB. Youngest, young offense, still ascending, and ended the year on fire once he was in rhythm. He’s an ankle breaker and elite in space. Of course he needs his O line to get healthy again. Saquon is also in contention for top RB but those touches that piled up are insane. 29 year old CMC is a clear difference maker but have you heard of his injuries ever improving or going away?

you can’t go wrong with Bijan, Gibbs, or Saquon as your top 3 RBs but give me Bijan for this year.

I think two of his OL are down for a long, long time.
The starting RT is out 4-6 weeks, but the other 4 starting Olineman are healthy. The backup Tackle is out for longer. Charlie Woerner is an excellent blocking TE.

Oh, okay. Thank you. 4-6 is 1/3 to 1/2 of the fantasy season, so it seems drastic.

It got worse. The starter’s (McGrady) season is now over. He was put on IR without designation to return. The backup is expected to miss 6-8 weeks.

It does make me just a little skittish about Bijan. Just a hair. Basically leaves Chase and Lamb as the only guys I have 100% worry free takes on.
 
It got worse. The starter’s (McGrady) season is now over.

Yeah. You know, I should never go with what some guy on the internet tells me without verifying. I knew his injury was serious and that the backup would be out for extended time, too. Oh well, I appreciate the information about the TE and the guy was probably partially right and just trying to help.

I would worry but I don't think it's catastrophic. There's just less margin for error now. Bijan is an excellent back, but Jakob Sanderson had some interesting insights about him. I came away with a few priors confirmed because I've always been a little more skeptical of Bijan than most even though I also think he's excellent.
 
It got worse. The starter’s (McGrady) season is now over.

Yeah. You know, I should never go with what some guy on the internet tells me without verifying. I knew his injury was serious and that the backup would be out for extended time, too. Oh well, I appreciate the information about the TE and the guy was probably partially right and just trying to help.

I would worry but I don't think it's catastrophic. There's just less margin for error now. Bijan is an excellent back, but Jakob Sanderson had some interesting insights about him. I came away with a few priors confirmed because I've always been a little more skeptical of Bijan than most even though I also think he's excellent.
That was the information that was available yesterday. After I saw the projections for missed time, I checked the Footballguys depth chart which showed McGrary as a Q and Norton as a D. Sorry.
 
It got worse. The starter’s (McGrady) season is now over.

Yeah. You know, I should never go with what some guy on the internet tells me without verifying. I knew his injury was serious and that the backup would be out for extended time, too. Oh well, I appreciate the information about the TE and the guy was probably partially right and just trying to help.

I would worry but I don't think it's catastrophic. There's just less margin for error now. Bijan is an excellent back, but Jakob Sanderson had some interesting insights about him. I came away with a few priors confirmed because I've always been a little more skeptical of Bijan than most even though I also think he's excellent.

It wasn’t false, just didn’t have the full picture yet. HC Morris was vague about his injury because clarity wasn’t required. Now we know.

I had the smallest crack of daylight between Bijan and Gibbs (fading Barkley) before this. Now they are even for me.
 
It got worse. The starter’s (McGrady) season is now over.

Yeah. You know, I should never go with what some guy on the internet tells me without verifying. I knew his injury was serious and that the backup would be out for extended time, too. Oh well, I appreciate the information about the TE and the guy was probably partially right and just trying to help.

I would worry but I don't think it's catastrophic. There's just less margin for error now. Bijan is an excellent back, but Jakob Sanderson had some interesting insights about him. I came away with a few priors confirmed because I've always been a little more skeptical of Bijan than most even though I also think he's excellent.
That was the information that was available yesterday. After I saw the projections for missed time, I checked the Footballguys depth chart which showed McGrary as a Q and Norton as a D. Sorry.

Yeah, I’d totally realized you were probably as informed as you could be and that you were probably as right as you could be for the time. If you read that sentence you can almost see me go from “he’s wrong” to “he was probably right.”

My apologies. I was on my phone and too lazy to edit.
 
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