RB Breece Hall, NYJ (1 Viewer)

[FreeBaGeL]

As for his recovery into next year everyone heals different but my outlook will depend heavily on if it's a multi-ligament tear. This may have zero to do with this injury or recovery but I do recall him missing some practice time a few weeks ago with a knee injury and that first game back I saw him limp while walking to the sideline after a play. Wonder if he his knee was barking at him a little or he had some instability

ACL + minor meniscus.

Should be 9 month recovery. That’s typical for anyone. For a world-class athlete (as some are fond of saying around these parts) it can be shorter.

let’s hope his age and recent results bode well here……think dalvin cook and saq barkley.

It took Saquon 2 years to get back to form. Not sure how long it took Dalvin but I seem to remember him also suffering nagging injuries when he came back, much like Saquon, because athlete's bodies tend to overcompensate in the aftermath of injuries and recovery.

My guess is it takes Breece 2 years to get back to his pre-injury form.

Dalvin was the same as Saquon. He struggled with injuries and mediocre play the year after the injury and a lot of people gave up on him. I actually pointed out the similarities heading into this year in the Saquon thread and drafted Saquon everywhere.

Maybe in 2024 we'll be able to do the same with Bryce.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Maybe in 2024 we'll be able to do the same with Bryce.

Depending on recovery reports, I’ll take the injury discount as soon as 2023.

I’m not writing him off until I see how he does - every player is different.

 

[Chemical X]

surgery 2022, mediocre 2023 return, 2024 back to normal……:

 

[osubuckeyeman]

WTF....did they amputate his his leg? ACL isn't ruining his 2023 season.

There are no guarantees in life. There are chances he turns into Dobbins who struggled mightily, but odds are he will be fine. Most acl tears are coming back strong

Scar tissue? I think they had to back in due to scar tissue on Dobbins.

 

[menobrown]

As for his recovery into next year everyone heals different but my outlook will depend heavily on if it's a multi-ligament tear. This may have zero to do with this injury or recovery but I do recall him missing some practice time a few weeks ago with a knee injury and that first game back I saw him limp while walking to the sideline after a play. Wonder if he his knee was barking at him a little or he had some instability

ACL + minor meniscus.

Should be 9 month recovery. That’s typical for anyone. For a world-class athlete (as some are fond of saying around these parts) it can be shorter.

let’s hope his age and recent results bode well here……think dalvin cook and saq barkley.

It took Saquon 2 years to get back to form. Not sure how long it took Dalvin but I seem to remember him also suffering nagging injuries when he came back, much like Saquon, because athlete's bodies tend to overcompensate in the aftermath of injuries and recovery.

My guess is it takes Breece 2 years to get back to his pre-injury form.

Dalvin was the same as Saquon. He struggled with injuries and mediocre play the year after the injury and a lot of people gave up on him. I actually pointed out the similarities heading into this year in the Saquon thread and drafted Saquon everywhere.

Maybe in 2024 we'll be able to do the same with Bryce.

Penny to me is the poster child of how one ACL injury leads to a multitude of others. Remember he was injury free in college.

Saying that, like Hot Sauce guy said, everyone is different and I'm way way off from writing off Hall in 2023. Could give examples all day of RB's who had less recovery time, some even with multi-ligament tears, who came back looking 100% the next year.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Maybe in 2024 we'll be able to do the same with Bryce.

Depending on recovery reports, I’ll take the injury discount as soon as 2023.

I’m not writing him off until I see how he does - every player is different.

He is super young so his recovery could be a lot faster. The younger the better. I'm with you. It's a wait-and-see at best but no reason to be pessimistic or optimistic. Watch the reports and hope for the best.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As for his recovery into next year everyone heals different but my outlook will depend heavily on if it's a multi-ligament tear. This may have zero to do with this injury or recovery but I do recall him missing some practice time a few weeks ago with a knee injury and that first game back I saw him limp while walking to the sideline after a play. Wonder if he his knee was barking at him a little or he had some instability

ACL + minor meniscus.

Should be 9 month recovery. That’s typical for anyone. For a world-class athlete (as some are fond of saying around these parts) it can be shorter.

let’s hope his age and recent results bode well here……think dalvin cook and saq barkley.

It took Saquon 2 years to get back to form. Not sure how long it took Dalvin but I seem to remember him also suffering nagging injuries when he came back, much like Saquon, because athlete's bodies tend to overcompensate in the aftermath of injuries and recovery.

My guess is it takes Breece 2 years to get back to his pre-injury form.

Dalvin was the same as Saquon. He struggled with injuries and mediocre play the year after the injury and a lot of people gave up on him. I actually pointed out the similarities heading into this year in the Saquon thread and drafted Saquon everywhere.

Maybe in 2024 we'll be able to do the same with Bryce.

Penny to me is the poster child of how one ACL injury leads to a multitude of others. Remember he was injury free in college.

Saying that, like Hot Sauce guy said, everyone is different and I'm way way off from writing off Hall in 2023. Could give examples all day of RB's who had less recovery time, some even with multi-ligament tears, who came back looking 100% the next year.

Jailbird Jamaal Lewis rehabbed in prison. Came back in 1 year to post a 1300+/6 season.

Then in his 2nd year back a 2066 yard / 14 TD season (and won me my 1st FF championship).

But that first year back was very decent. I had him that year as well.

If Hall has a similar path I won’t complain.

 

[BassNBrew]

The Impact of ACL Surgery on Fantasy Performance: Running Backs

ACL injuries can impact a running back's ability to produce at their pre-injury levels in fantasy football.

www.thefantasyfootballers.com

I do want to just take one second to acknowledge Adrian Peterson‘s insane 2012 MVP season the year following his ACL injury and give a shoutout to Jamaal Charles, who tore his ACL for the first time in 2011 and then came back in 2012 and totaled over 1,700 yards from scrimmage. These two players are perfect examples – elite backs are capable of returning from this injury in year one, but the data below shows they could be outliers. More on that soon…

 

[Gally]

Dalvin was the same as Saquon. He struggled with injuries and mediocre play the year after the injury and a lot of people gave up on him. I actually pointed out the similarities heading into this year in the Saquon thread and drafted Saquon everywhere.

Dalvin and Saquon were not similar. Dalvin had hamstring injuries the year after which are common in recovery from ACL injuries. I think we can all agree there is merit to it being tied to his ACL injury.

Saquon had a high ankle sprain due to stepping on someone else's foot completely away from the play. It was a freak injury that could have happened to anybody. The ACL had nothing to do with it.

 

[Gally]

I don’t have as clear a memory on Cook’s recovery, but I do remember one injury was the dislocated shoulder, which wouldn’t really be considered a sympathetic injury.

Cook had hamstring issues the year following his ACL so it may be tied to the recovery. You are correct on Barkley. He stepped on a guy way away from the play in a freak situation which had nothing to do with his ACL recovery.

 

[rockaction]

Dalvin and Saquon were not similar. Dalvin had hamstring injuries the year after which are common in recovery from ACL injuries. I think we can all agree there is merit to it being tied to his ACL injury.

Saquon had a high ankle sprain due to stepping on someone else's foot completely away from the play. It was a freak injury that could have happened to anybody. The ACL had nothing to do with it.

Was going to post this. Plus, FreeBaGeL called him "Bryce." What gives with that post?

I kid, Free, I kid.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Dalvin was the same as Saquon. He struggled with injuries and mediocre play the year after the injury and a lot of people gave up on him. I actually pointed out the similarities heading into this year in the Saquon thread and drafted Saquon everywhere.

Dalvin and Saquon were not similar. Dalvin had hamstring injuries the year after which are common in recovery from ACL injuries. I think we can all agree there is merit to it being tied to his ACL injury.

Saquon had a high ankle sprain due to stepping on someone else's foot completely away from the play. It was a freak injury that could have happened to anybody. The ACL had nothing to do with it.

Saquon had 160 total yards rushing at 3.4ypc through 5 games before the ankle sprain. He was already running like a shell of his pre-ACL self at the time. And then he struggled the rest of the year even months after the ankle sprain.

People were down on the way Saquon was playing post-ACL (lacked burst, didn't trust it, not cutting, and of course lousy production) well before he sprained his ankle.

 

[fruity pebbles]

One trade does not make someone's value but in case anyone is interested I just traded Dalvin Cook for him and it was snap accepted.

Was thinking about that. Might be a good trade moving Cook, CMac, Henry types for him if the Hall owner is win now.

 

[irish eyes]

I know this isn't the worst trades offered thread, but look at this beauty I was offered for Hall....cousins, thielen, next years 2nd. He has mahomes & Hurts as well..Had to laugh

 

[Team Smokin']

News today is saying Breece Hall is now on IR vs season ending still pending? Is it torn ACL or partial or sprain?

I was about to drop him for a waiver wire pickup, but now holding in IR.

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[Deamon]

News today is saying Breece Hall is now on IR vs season ending still pending? Is it torn ACL or partial or sprain?

I was about to drop him for a waiver wire pickup, but now holding in IR.

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he's done man

 

[Team Smokin']

News today is saying Breece Hall is now on IR vs season ending still pending? Is it torn ACL or partial or sprain?

I was about to drop him for a waiver wire pickup, but now holding in IR.

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he's done man

Perhaps he is, but I was shocked to read this off of NFL.com. Not sure exactly what to make of it as news is he's done for the season.

• RB Breece Hall was placed on injured reserve, the Jets announced on Tuesday. It was initially reported that he suffered a torn ACL on Monday.

 

[menobrown]

News today is saying Breece Hall is now on IR vs season ending still pending? Is it torn ACL or partial or sprain?

I was about to drop him for a waiver wire pickup, but now holding in IR.

NFL news roundup: Latest league updates from Tuesday, Oct. 25

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he's done man

Perhaps he is, but I was shocked to read this off of NFL.com. Not sure exactly what to make of it as news is he's done for the season.

• RB Breece Hall was placed on injured reserve, the Jets announced on Tuesday. It was initially reported that he suffered a torn ACL on Monday.

What has you shocked?

 

[Deamon]

News today is saying Breece Hall is now on IR vs season ending still pending? Is it torn ACL or partial or sprain?

I was about to drop him for a waiver wire pickup, but now holding in IR.

NFL news roundup: Latest league updates from Tuesday, Oct. 25

NFL.com keeps you up to date with all of the latest league news from around the NFL. Visit NFL.com's transaction hub for a daily breakdown.

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he's done man

Perhaps he is, but I was shocked to read this off of NFL.com. Not sure exactly what to make of it as news is he's done for the season.

• RB Breece Hall was placed on injured reserve, the Jets announced on Tuesday. It was initially reported that he suffered a torn ACL on Monday.

Not sure what you're making of this. I don't think IR means what you think it does.

 

[Team Smokin']

News today is saying Breece Hall is now on IR vs season ending still pending? Is it torn ACL or partial or sprain?

I was about to drop him for a waiver wire pickup, but now holding in IR.

NFL news roundup: Latest league updates from Tuesday, Oct. 25

NFL.com keeps you up to date with all of the latest league news from around the NFL. Visit NFL.com's transaction hub for a daily breakdown.

www.nfl.com

he's done man

Perhaps he is, but I was shocked to read this off of NFL.com. Not sure exactly what to make of it as news is he's done for the season.

• RB Breece Hall was placed on injured reserve, the Jets announced on Tuesday. It was initially reported that he suffered a torn ACL on Monday.

What has you shocked?

That his status is IR. Meaning perhaps the injury is not season ending. Idk. I'm sure he's done, but I'll see what happens this week before dumping him.

 

[Chemical X]

ir, not designated for return. but if you think post surgery he will play with a full cast or maybe golf cart in about 3-4 weeks, hold him. of course he’d be playing in a rec league since he’s ir, not designated.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

News today is saying Breece Hall is now on IR vs season ending still pending? Is it torn ACL or partial or sprain?

I was about to drop him for a waiver wire pickup, but now holding in IR.

NFL news roundup: Latest league updates from Tuesday, Oct. 25

NFL.com keeps you up to date with all of the latest league news from around the NFL. Visit NFL.com's transaction hub for a daily breakdown.

www.nfl.com

he's done man

Perhaps he is, but I was shocked to read this off of NFL.com. Not sure exactly what to make of it as news is he's done for the season.

• RB Breece Hall was placed on injured reserve, the Jets announced on Tuesday. It was initially reported that he suffered a torn ACL on Monday.

And?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

News today is saying Breece Hall is now on IR vs season ending still pending? Is it torn ACL or partial or sprain?

I was about to drop him for a waiver wire pickup, but now holding in IR.

NFL news roundup: Latest league updates from Tuesday, Oct. 25

NFL.com keeps you up to date with all of the latest league news from around the NFL. Visit NFL.com's transaction hub for a daily breakdown.

www.nfl.com

he's done man

Perhaps he is, but I was shocked to read this off of NFL.com. Not sure exactly what to make of it as news is he's done for the season.

• RB Breece Hall was placed on injured reserve, the Jets announced on Tuesday. It was initially reported that he suffered a torn ACL on Monday.

What has you shocked?

That his status is IR. Meaning perhaps the injury is not season ending. Idk. I'm sure he's done, but I'll see what happens this week before dumping him.

He is done. What are you missing? You realize IR is season ending (unless it has the return designation)? It seems you do not.

 

[Team Smokin']

News today is saying Breece Hall is now on IR vs season ending still pending? Is it torn ACL or partial or sprain?

I was about to drop him for a waiver wire pickup, but now holding in IR.

NFL news roundup: Latest league updates from Tuesday, Oct. 25

NFL.com keeps you up to date with all of the latest league news from around the NFL. Visit NFL.com's transaction hub for a daily breakdown.

www.nfl.com

he's done man

Perhaps he is, but I was shocked to read this off of NFL.com. Not sure exactly what to make of it as news is he's done for the season.

• RB Breece Hall was placed on injured reserve, the Jets announced on Tuesday. It was initially reported that he suffered a torn ACL on Monday.

What has you shocked?

That his status is IR. Meaning perhaps the injury is not season ending. Idk. I'm sure he's done, but I'll see what happens this week before dumping him.

He is done. What are you missing? You realize IR is season ending (unless it has the return designation)? It seems you do not.

Okay, he's done. It's what I thought. Sometimes words can be misleading trying to interpret at the moment. I had a hope and a prayer for this stud. Bummer.

 

[kutta]

For a data point, I just traded him for Saquon in my dynasty league. Hated to do it, but trying to win this year:

 

[menobrown]

For a data point, I just traded him for Saquon in my dynasty league. Hated to do it, but trying to win this year:

And to add to this I have traded for Dalvin for him and in another league Najee for him.

 

[Born to Run]

Mistake to flip him for CMC? Thinking about it in my rebuild team.

 

[kutta]

Mistake to flip him for CMC? Thinking about it in my rebuild team.

In a rebuild I would hold. Hall is young. All CMC will do is maybe help you win a few games this year and get you a worse draft pick next year.

 

[panhead55]

On the subject of "every ACL recovery is different" don't forget Jerry Rice. The first game of 1997 Rice tears both his ACL and MCL. He returns to play week 16 of the same year. He went 3 for 40 with a TD before a hit on his knee fractured his patella.

 

[Faust]

Breece Hall (ACL) believes he could be ready for training camp next summer.​

Hall said he's "progressing at a faster rate than expected." It's fairly standard player injury talk, but it is much better than the alternative. No news usually means bad news with injury timelines. It's encouraging that Hall is confident enough to talk about his publicly. Camp would be a quick turnaround from Hall's October injury but not unprecedented. Of course, as J.K. Dobbins has proven, ACL recoveries remain anything but standard. Still, as long as Hall avoids setbacks, Week 1 2023 is definitely realistic.
SOURCE: Zack Rosenblatt on Twitter
Jan 9, 2023, 1:30 PM ET

 

[rockaction]

This was going to go in the Bijan Robinson thread, but I don't want to derail it, so I'll leave my musings here. I will say this personally. It's a total bummer to have the RB1 and know he's soon to be surpassed by a back or two. Never like to see value go down or a guy injured who might not be the same again. Breece's injury, when it happened, was crushing for me in a way sports hadn't been in a long time. I hope Breece can make a comeback and be as effective as he was skipping down the field against the Broncos for that sixty-two yard run that day.

 

[Faust]

Notebook | Jets RB Breece Hall: 'Something Just Clicked'

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This was going to go in the Bijan Robinson thread, but I don't want to derail it, so I'll leave my musings here. I will say this personally. It's a total bummer to have the RB1 and know he's soon to be surpassed by a back or two. Never like to see value go down or a guy injured who might not be the same again. Breece's injury, when it happened, was crushing for me in a way sports hadn't been in a long time. I hope Breece can make a comeback and be as effective as he was skipping down the field against the Broncos for that sixty-two yard run that day.

At this point I wouldn’t get too down about Hall. The way modern medical techniques have evolved, the odds of a full recovery are far more likely than not. And IIRC it was only the ACL, no? Also helps the prognosis.

That said, his recovery may go into 2023, and that’s in part physical, getting speed and burst back, cutting, etc. and it’s in part mental - I’ve seen comments from many RBs who’ve said they needed 2-3 months to get the confidence back to dig that leg in to make a juke or a jump cut, even though the knee was structurally sound.

So maybe it’s week 5-6-7 when Hall is back to 100%, assuming no setbacks.

Once that happens his dynasty value should be right there at the top of the RB list.

 

[menobrown]

Breece's injury, when it happened, was crushing for me in a way sports hadn't been in a long time

Same. I had him on a ton of redraft teams, including some expensive teams like 3 FFPC Main Events.

I was so down about it I decided to try and do something about and see if I could turn it into a positive. I did not own him in a dynasty league and ended up dealing him up dealing for him in two leagues.

For me he is clearly RB2 overall in dynasty, behind Bijan. I tend to agree with Hot Sauce guy timeline on his ACL and for me he's easily RB2 overall in dynasty. I view him as a similar talent as Taylor but if option A was recovery from a fairly clean ACL and option B was 2.5 years older and about 750 more NFL touches I'd prefer to invest in Option A.

 

[menobrown]

Still my dynasty RB2 but for sure not a fan of RBBC loving Hackett.

 

[socrates]

Notebook | Jets RB Breece Hall: 'Something Just Clicked'

That was you ACL.

I wish Hall a speedy recovery, but the injury pushes him down a couple spots in my dynasty rankings.

 

[eighsse2]

Price check? I offered 1.08 + 1.09 + 2.01 in 12 team, 20 man, ppr, QRRWWFKD. Turned it down. Not sure how much more I might be willing to offer.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Price check? I offered 1.08 + 1.09 + 2.01 in 12 team, 20 man, ppr, QRRWWFKD. Turned it down. Not sure how much more I might be willing to offer.

The problem is you are offering a bunch of depth pieces for a stud. You could add 5 more second and 3rd round picks and it doesn't come close. Other side needs a stud or great player coming back with 1 or 2 of those pieces.

 

[eighsse2]

Price check? I offered 1.08 + 1.09 + 2.01 in 12 team, 20 man, ppr, QRRWWFKD. Turned it down. Not sure how much more I might be willing to offer.

The problem is you are offering a bunch of depth pieces for a stud. You could add 5 more second and 3rd round picks and it doesn't come close. Other side needs a stud or great player coming back with 1 or 2 of those pieces.

Yeah, that's true. I mean first rounders are really valuable prospects, but they're very unlikely to be league-winners as rookies, if ever.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Price check? I offered 1.08 + 1.09 + 2.01 in 12 team, 20 man, ppr, QRRWWFKD. Turned it down. Not sure how much more I might be willing to offer.

Not surprised. Hall owner in my league was asking for 1.02 & 1.03 for him.

I politely declined.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Price check? I offered 1.08 + 1.09 + 2.01 in 12 team, 20 man, ppr, QRRWWFKD. Turned it down. Not sure how much more I might be willing to offer.

Not surprised. Hall owner in my league was asking for 1.02 & 1.03 for him.

I politely declined.

Maybe not today but come draft day that may look like a consideration. Jets get a QB and Breece is back to health, I would consider it as I think he is easily the second best (and possibly first) player in this draft by far and I like his situation. Of course I would try to garner another piece, but I do not think if things line up a particular way that it is too out of reason. JMHO.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Maybe not today but come draft day that may look like a consideration. Jets get a QB and Breece is back to health, I would consider it as I think he is easily the second best (and possibly first) player in this draft by far and I like his situation. Of course I would try to garner another piece, but I do not think if things line up a particular way that it is too out of reason. JMHO.

Oh yeah - I didn’t mean to imply it was unfair. Every calc I’ve checked & Dynasty sites have him worth 2x 1sts.

It was just adding context to the 2 late 1sts. Not getting It done.

 

[rockaction]

Bump da man!

 

[ghostguy123]

I wonder what Halls 40 time is right now

 

[rockaction]

I wonder what Halls 40 time is right now

you’re not a very sporting guy, are you? Sort of dour and mean.

 

[rockaction]

Nurses are like that. They told me never allow a nurse in a damages case because they don’t feel sorry for anybody. Dour folk.

 

[Faust]

Jets coach Robert Saleh said Breece Hall (knee) "looks fantastic" and ESPN's Rich Cimini writes Hall is "expected to be ready for Week 1."​

Keep in mind that as of January, Hall was aiming for a training camp return and that appears to now be off the table, as Cimini writes that it "appears unlikely" Hall will participate in camp. Hall should be considered questionable for Week 1 after tearing his ACL on October 23rd. Michael Carter, Zonovan Knight, and Ty Johnson will split workloads in training camp and preseason at the very least. Hall is more likely to help in the second half of the 2023 fantasy season given how cautiously he'll be worked in early.
SOURCE: ESPN
Apr 9, 2023, 1:16 PM ET

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Tempered expectations for the first half then hopefully back to being it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Tempered expectations for the first half then hopefully back to being it.

Imma go with 2/3 of a season of productivity.

 

[jabarony]

Tempered expectations for the first half then hopefully back to being it.

Imma go with 2/3 of a season of productivity.

Don't forget to account for Rodgers calling a pass on every play inside the 5.

Sorry.