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RB Breece Hall, NYJ (1 Viewer)

Parcells was never kind to RBs from March til end of camp and then he absolutely showered them with praise. He needled them and pushed them and Curtis Martin has some fun stories.
IIRC he kept calling practice plays one day seeing if Curtis would drop. After a fumble the day before he encouraged the D to take the ball from him and called runs up the middle. On and on and on.

Also, kickers and sometimes quarterbacks.

If Parcells would needle the top player then how did the other 89 feel?

I don't think this is sincere.
I think you're just being reminded how things will go.

I don't see the need.
I can watch runs and passes and see they could use linemen
 
Was wondering a few days ago if they move to being open to trading him for various reasons what would he get back and what teams are viable?

Non-premium position with just one year left on his deal. Not even a guarantee he'll get you back a sizeable comp pick in 27 if they let him walk after next year. Barkley did not get the Giants a comp pick for instance. I think it would be a struggle to get a current second round pick with a team knowing they can get 4 cheap years from a rookie RB. This is main reason I don't see them wanting to trade him but again various reasons might make them open to it.

The most obvious team fit to me is the Steelers. Right or wrong they seem to be in a win now mode, Breece would be a good fit for their outside zone scheme and IIRC Breece was one of the players who expressed the most disappointment about letting Rodgers go so that's enough for me to assume the relationshoip is solid. So as we know Rodgers got a lot of his old cohorts from Green Bay to come to the Jets to help give him some comfort level and the Steelers won't be able to be so obliging but they might be able to give him Breece at least, and maybe that's the kind of push he'd need to committ.
 
Was wondering a few days ago if they move to being open to trading him for various reasons what would he get back and what teams are viable?

Non-premium position with just one year left on his deal. Not even a guarantee he'll get you back a sizeable comp pick in 27 if they let him walk after next year. Barkley did not get the Giants a comp pick for instance. I think it would be a struggle to get a current second round pick with a team knowing they can get 4 cheap years from a rookie RB. This is main reason I don't see them wanting to trade him but again various reasons might make them open to it.

The most obvious team fit to me is the Steelers. Right or wrong they seem to be in a win now mode, Breece would be a good fit for their outside zone scheme and IIRC Breece was one of the players who expressed the most disappointment about letting Rodgers go so that's enough for me to assume the relationshoip is solid. So as we know Rodgers got a lot of his old cohorts from Green Bay to come to the Jets to help give him some comfort level and the Steelers won't be able to be so obliging but they might be able to give him Breece at least, and maybe that's the kind of push he'd need to committ.
Love Breece and think the Steelers would be a reasonable fit, but they just gave a second for DK. Can't see them giving another pick for a back given the RB depth in this draft.
 
Was wondering a few days ago if they move to being open to trading him for various reasons what would he get back and what teams are viable?

Non-premium position with just one year left on his deal. Not even a guarantee he'll get you back a sizeable comp pick in 27 if they let him walk after next year. Barkley did not get the Giants a comp pick for instance. I think it would be a struggle to get a current second round pick with a team knowing they can get 4 cheap years from a rookie RB. This is main reason I don't see them wanting to trade him but again various reasons might make them open to it.

The most obvious team fit to me is the Steelers. Right or wrong they seem to be in a win now mode, Breece would be a good fit for their outside zone scheme and IIRC Breece was one of the players who expressed the most disappointment about letting Rodgers go so that's enough for me to assume the relationshoip is solid. So as we know Rodgers got a lot of his old cohorts from Green Bay to come to the Jets to help give him some comfort level and the Steelers won't be able to be so obliging but they might be able to give him Breece at least, and maybe that's the kind of push he'd need to committ.
Love Breece and think the Steelers would be a reasonable fit, but they just gave a second for DK. Can't see them giving another pick for a back given the RB depth in this draft.
It's actually because of not having that second I think they would have more interest in trading for him and they've got a projected extra 3rd, 4th and 6th next year to work with, so don't necessarily need to give up a pick this year.
 
Rich Cimini
#Jets insider: Examining why Glenn wants to turn a one-man backfield (Hall) into a committee. Did someone say trade? … Closer look at Glenn’s coaching tenets … No OL shake up … Lazard’s future … A QB clue.

Sigmund Bloom
"Glenn's comments surely will fuel trade speculation...Hall is a gifted player who would attract interest if dangled in trade talks. Perhaps the Jets would consider moving him if Boise State star Ashton Jeanty is available with the seventh pick in the April 24 draft."

Given the state of the Jets and their roster, would be hilarious if they traded Breece away and then spent a top 10 selection on a RB.
 
I doubt they can get better than a day 3 pick for him at this point.

Gotta be able to get a third-round pick. If not, it makes no sense to do anything but hold.
I don't see what he's done in the NFL to warrant much of anything in return, especially given this is his last year of being low cost. If I were a GM and looking at this rookie RB class, I wouldn't give more than a 5th for Hall, and even then I would have to be a GM of a team ready to compete now. I think there will be a very limited market for him.
 
Agree he'd get back at least a third. He's good in the passing game and churns out chunk plays, these are prime traits for making RB's valuable.
 
I doubt they can get better than a day 3 pick for him at this point.

Gotta be able to get a third-round pick. If not, it makes no sense to do anything but hold.
I don't see what he's done in the NFL to warrant much of anything in return, especially given this is his last year of being low cost. If I were a GM and looking at this rookie RB class, I wouldn't give more than a 5th for Hall, and even then I would have to be a GM of a team ready to compete now. I think there will be a very limited market for him.

Simple and gently disagree and think you're very much undervaluing his talents and the desire for those talents around the league. He was the first back chosen in 2022 and has unique athleticism. His explosive runs in his rookie and second years were second-to-none in number in the league and it was really last year that was problematic for him.

He's run behind garbage OLs that can't run block and he always sees guys in the backfield before he even gets going. Now, he didn't make those guys miss last year and that became a problem. But Saleh and company also wanted him to run a style that wasn't necessarily his strength. He's a patient runner like Le'Veon Bell was and they asked him to San Francisco one-cut it. It was a square peg in a round hole and I think we'll see a much different running back this year, health permitting.

Enough excuses for Breece, but I'm not going to take a guy that had two excellent years and write him off because last year he was average on a 5-12 team with a line every bit worthy of that record. In fact, if he goes somewhere else and that team is competent, I predict it's going to look like a disastrous move for the Jets. They'll regret it. The only thing that gives me pause is given their offseason and build, it doesn't look like they're thinking they can compete next year at all. They're looking to build a new, long-term culture and Breece is in the last year of his contract, so what good is he to them in their minds?

But you need at least a third-round pick to compensate for his departure. It's not like this guy is a bust. He was 5.8 YPC, then 4.6, then 4.2, even though YPC is not the greatest stat in the world.
 
I paid a 1.10 and a 2026 2nd for Hall and think I got an amazing deal….except when I’m reading this thread ;)
Insane someone would sell that low. He didn’t look like the same back last year, but I attribute that to me drafting him for the first time. I would probably pay as high the 1.04 this year for him in dynasty and would be happy to add a 2nd rounder on top of it. Contract year, so I would bet he bounces back very nicely this coming season.
 
Would you prefer Breece or Marvin Jr in dynasty?
I was actually offered MHJ and some change for Breece back in January. Passed and no regrets yet though I have lowered Breece's outlook for next year since I turned that deal down.
Honestly don’t remember watching a single Jets game last year other than the opener against SF. I know the team was a mess and hard to believe that his talent deteriorated in one season. Still only 23. Would be hoping he gets traded or plays out this season and goes to a different team next year if I made a move for him in dynasty.
 
Would you prefer Breece or Marvin Jr in dynasty?
I was actually offered MHJ and some change for Breece back in January. Passed and no regrets yet though I have lowered Breece's outlook for next year since I turned that deal down.
Honestly don’t remember watching a single Jets game last year other than the opener against SF. I know the team was a mess and hard to believe that his talent deteriorated in one season. Still only 23. Would be hoping he gets traded or plays out this season and goes to a different team next year if I made a move for him in dynasty.

This might be the window where you can get him for the cheapest you'll be able to. If the Jets send him for a third to Dallas, Denver, Pittsburgh, or any other RB-needy team, you'll have hit the jackpot. The only thing that I was concerned about last year was his inability to make people miss and going down on first contact. He had trouble with that. As for questions about his line, yes, it wasn't very good, but Breece had managed to rip off explosive run after explosive run his first two years, and everything was pretty constant in that respect. He had a down year, and I think he was hurt but played through it.

The question becomes is whether or not that injury lingered and is the sign of a back in decline. It has happened before to guys, and he did have an ACL tear his rookie year. So . . . caveat emptor. I roster him in one of my two leagues and he's my main and feature back there. So I hope it clicks back in and that he's healthy and mentally right and ready to go.
 
Would you prefer Breece or Marvin Jr in dynasty?
I was actually offered MHJ and some change for Breece back in January. Passed and no regrets yet though I have lowered Breece's outlook for next year since I turned that deal down.
Honestly don’t remember watching a single Jets game last year other than the opener against SF. I know the team was a mess and hard to believe that his talent deteriorated in one season. Still only 23. Would be hoping he gets traded or plays out this season and goes to a different team next year if I made a move for him in dynasty.

This might be the window where you can get him for the cheapest you'll be able to. If the Jets send him for a third to Dallas, Denver, Pittsburgh, or any other RB-needy team, you'll have hit the jackpot. The only thing that I was concerned about last year was his inability to make people miss and going down on first contact. He had trouble with that. As for questions about his line, yes, it wasn't very good, but Breece had managed to rip off explosive run after explosive run his first two years, and everything was pretty constant in that respect. He had a down year, and I think he was hurt but played through it.

The question becomes is whether or not that injury lingered and is the sign of a back in decline. It has happened before to guys, and he did have an ACL tear his rookie year. So . . . caveat emptor. I roster him in one of my two leagues and he's my main and feature back there. So I hope it clicks back in and that he's healthy and mentally right and ready to go.
Priority to roster B Allen if you already have Hall?
 
Would you prefer Breece or Marvin Jr in dynasty?
I was actually offered MHJ and some change for Breece back in January. Passed and no regrets yet though I have lowered Breece's outlook for next year since I turned that deal down.
Honestly don’t remember watching a single Jets game last year other than the opener against SF. I know the team was a mess and hard to believe that his talent deteriorated in one season. Still only 23. Would be hoping he gets traded or plays out this season and goes to a different team next year if I made a move for him in dynasty.

This might be the window where you can get him for the cheapest you'll be able to. If the Jets send him for a third to Dallas, Denver, Pittsburgh, or any other RB-needy team, you'll have hit the jackpot. The only thing that I was concerned about last year was his inability to make people miss and going down on first contact. He had trouble with that. As for questions about his line, yes, it wasn't very good, but Breece had managed to rip off explosive run after explosive run his first two years, and everything was pretty constant in that respect. He had a down year, and I think he was hurt but played through it.

The question becomes is whether or not that injury lingered and is the sign of a back in decline. It has happened before to guys, and he did have an ACL tear his rookie year. So . . . caveat emptor. I roster him in one of my two leagues and he's my main and feature back there. So I hope it clicks back in and that he's healthy and mentally right and ready to go.
Priority to roster B Allen if you already have Hall?

Allen or Isaiah Davis. I'm not sure which one has the inside track. I think that Davis sort of overtook Allen for the second back by the end of the year. Allen had a below-average YPC of 3.6 by the end of the year, which is something to consider with Breece because Allen looked good regardless. I still insist the line wasn't good and in addition to that, Allen got goal-line carries which will reduce the YPC of anybody.

FBG rated the line at ninth overall, but 23rd in the pass game and 24th in the run game, so I'm not sure where they get the ninth overall from (it might have been 22nd and 23rd, actually—I forget the exact ranking but I'm within one on both of them). I can tell you that guys were getting hit in the backfield all the time and Allen's YPC likely suffered from that.

To make matters worse, teams were playing eight in the box because they didn't think Rodgers could beat them with his arm anymore. Rodgers was also no threat to run like other QBs, so the defensive line and linebackers could focus solely on the running backs in running situations or when plays developed that looked like a run.

But the bottom line is I don't know who to recommend. It was supposed to be that Allen was the runner and Davis the pass receiving back but Allen catches the ball very well and Davis ran it well, so that's a mystery also. I'd probably go with Allen. He's young and would seem to have the inside track, but Aaron Glenn has said that the depth chart everywhere is "in pencil" and I would expect that to hold for the RB room also.
 
Would you prefer Breece or Marvin Jr in dynasty?
I was actually offered MHJ and some change for Breece back in January. Passed and no regrets yet though I have lowered Breece's outlook for next year since I turned that deal down.
Honestly don’t remember watching a single Jets game last year other than the opener against SF. I know the team was a mess and hard to believe that his talent deteriorated in one season. Still only 23. Would be hoping he gets traded or plays out this season and goes to a different team next year if I made a move for him in dynasty.

This might be the window where you can get him for the cheapest you'll be able to. If the Jets send him for a third to Dallas, Denver, Pittsburgh, or any other RB-needy team, you'll have hit the jackpot. The only thing that I was concerned about last year was his inability to make people miss and going down on first contact. He had trouble with that. As for questions about his line, yes, it wasn't very good, but Breece had managed to rip off explosive run after explosive run his first two years, and everything was pretty constant in that respect. He had a down year, and I think he was hurt but played through it.

The question becomes is whether or not that injury lingered and is the sign of a back in decline. It has happened before to guys, and he did have an ACL tear his rookie year. So . . . caveat emptor. I roster him in one of my two leagues and he's my main and feature back there. So I hope it clicks back in and that he's healthy and mentally right and ready to go.
Priority to roster B Allen if you already have Hall?

Allen or Isaiah Davis. I'm not sure which one has the inside track. I think that Davis sort of overtook Allen for the second back by the end of the year. Allen had a below-average YPC of 3.6 by the end of the year, which is something to consider with Breece because Allen looked good regardless. I still insist the line wasn't good and in addition to that, Allen got goal-line carries which will reduce the YPC of anybody.

FBG rated the line at ninth overall, but 23rd in the pass game and 24th in the run game, so I'm not sure where they get the ninth overall from (it might have been 22nd and 23rd, actually—I forget the exact ranking but I'm within one on both of them). I can tell you that guys were getting hit in the backfield all the time and Allen's YPC likely suffered from that.

To make matters worse, teams were playing eight in the box because they didn't think Rodgers could beat them with his arm anymore. Rodgers was also no threat to run like other QBs, so the defensive line and linebackers could focus solely on the running backs in running situations or when plays developed that looked like a run.

But the bottom line is I don't know who to recommend. It was supposed to be that Allen was the runner and Davis the pass receiving back but Allen catches the ball very well and Davis ran it well, so that's a mystery also. I'd probably go with Allen. He's young and would seem to have the inside track, but Aaron Glenn has said that the depth chart everywhere is "in pencil" and I would expect that to hold for the RB room also.
Is there any truth to the rumors of the Jets drafting Jeanty and trading Hall? As for the backup RB, I think Davis is better than Allen, but it may not matter that much anyway barring injury.
 
Would you prefer Breece or Marvin Jr in dynasty?
I was actually offered MHJ and some change for Breece back in January. Passed and no regrets yet though I have lowered Breece's outlook for next year since I turned that deal down.
Honestly don’t remember watching a single Jets game last year other than the opener against SF. I know the team was a mess and hard to believe that his talent deteriorated in one season. Still only 23. Would be hoping he gets traded or plays out this season and goes to a different team next year if I made a move for him in dynasty.

This might be the window where you can get him for the cheapest you'll be able to. If the Jets send him for a third to Dallas, Denver, Pittsburgh, or any other RB-needy team, you'll have hit the jackpot. The only thing that I was concerned about last year was his inability to make people miss and going down on first contact. He had trouble with that. As for questions about his line, yes, it wasn't very good, but Breece had managed to rip off explosive run after explosive run his first two years, and everything was pretty constant in that respect. He had a down year, and I think he was hurt but played through it.

The question becomes is whether or not that injury lingered and is the sign of a back in decline. It has happened before to guys, and he did have an ACL tear his rookie year. So . . . caveat emptor. I roster him in one of my two leagues and he's my main and feature back there. So I hope it clicks back in and that he's healthy and mentally right and ready to go.
Priority to roster B Allen if you already have Hall?

Allen or Isaiah Davis. I'm not sure which one has the inside track. I think that Davis sort of overtook Allen for the second back by the end of the year. Allen had a below-average YPC of 3.6 by the end of the year, which is something to consider with Breece because Allen looked good regardless. I still insist the line wasn't good and in addition to that, Allen got goal-line carries which will reduce the YPC of anybody.

FBG rated the line at ninth overall, but 23rd in the pass game and 24th in the run game, so I'm not sure where they get the ninth overall from (it might have been 22nd and 23rd, actually—I forget the exact ranking but I'm within one on both of them). I can tell you that guys were getting hit in the backfield all the time and Allen's YPC likely suffered from that.

To make matters worse, teams were playing eight in the box because they didn't think Rodgers could beat them with his arm anymore. Rodgers was also no threat to run like other QBs, so the defensive line and linebackers could focus solely on the running backs in running situations or when plays developed that looked like a run.

But the bottom line is I don't know who to recommend. It was supposed to be that Allen was the runner and Davis the pass receiving back but Allen catches the ball very well and Davis ran it well, so that's a mystery also. I'd probably go with Allen. He's young and would seem to have the inside track, but Aaron Glenn has said that the depth chart everywhere is "in pencil" and I would expect that to hold for the RB room also.
Is there any truth to the rumors of the Jets drafting Jeanty and trading Hall? As for the backup RB, I think Davis is better than Allen, but it may not matter that much anyway barring injury.

That was speculated on by beat reporter Rich Cimini, who will do that without real inside intel. It doesn't really make sense to do that if you're the Jets. I also have Davis, so sending Breece to Dallas, Denver, or Pittsburgh would be a boon for me because then I'd have one starter and one potential starter instead of them eating into each other's work. But here's the rub: Cimini does that every so often and it irks me. He starts speculating with no basis in fact.

Now, often where there's smoke there's fire, so we will see, but if I had to guess, I'd say that's about the last course of action they should take. Unless Woody gets involved. Then all bets are off and it's why I'm not entirely dismissing the idea. But I don't like it as a Breece/Isaiah Davis GM nor as a Jets fan.
 
Everything will just be little rebus puzzles made up of memes strung together.

The problem with Breece posting that is it isn't even really a meme. I looked all over for it. I think it's just a funny picture of a monkey smoking while looking askance at a cell phone. But I'm pretty sure it's in reference to either Glenn's comments, Cimini's trade rumor thing, or both.

I can see why the Jets might make Breece available, but to then take Jeanty is mind-bogglingly stupid. I don't think Cimini has a source or leak and I say that because I've followed him and he'll do that every so often and just be wrong and everybody forgets it.

That said, I could be wrong and Cimini dialed in. I just doubt it.
 
Two random notes:

1. Regarding drafting Jeanty if he's available. Atlanta drafting Penix and to a lesser extent the Lions taking Gibbs so high are good recent lessons why we should never say never. But I think the reason a few people have tried to push that narrative is the Jets hiring so much of the Lions staff and I suppose the notion is they'd want to recreate that RB dynamic. Other then obvous OL and supporting cast concerns that are not like what the Lions have the main flaw in that thinking to me is the GM they hired is not from the Lions tree. He's been in the NFL over a decade, all with the Broncos and during that time the highest they ever drafted a RB was in the 50's.

2. If Hall was out of the picture and Allen and Davis were the top two RB's I'd prefer Allen. It would most likely be what everyone recognizes as a RBBC and both would have value, but Allen's good/better in pass pro and in theory has the frame to be the better goal line runner. In a RBBC I want the guy who I think projects as the more of the pass catcher and goal line guy. He's also 2 years younger, was of course the youngest player in the league last year.
 
Isn't this the same thing from last week? But maybe rehashed in a different article? Or is it actually new quotes?
Breece Hall to Washington would be sweet.
As good as he can be, I’m not sure it makes sense for any team to give much for a RB this year. At least until into or after the draft.
 
I’ll believe it when I see it.

Would love Shanahan to go big baller and send NYJ a 3rd (the compensatory 3rd rounder) for Breece.

Perfect way to keep CMC healthy, and they’d have a premium back moving forward.

Niners are one of the teams that still values complete RB. It wouldn’t be awesome short term unless CMC gets hurt. Which is a far, far greater than zero chance.
 
Why would the Jets broadcast this junk? To try to get people to trade up with them for Jeanty?
If they draft Jeanty before they trade Hall, the return on Hall might go down, or be wrapped in his numbers, like 1200 yards goes from 3rd rd to 2nd rd.
Steelers do that a lot. And keep Hall and Rodgers together.
 
Why would the Jets broadcast this junk? To try to get people to trade up with them for Jeanty?
If they draft Jeanty before they trade Hall, the return on Hall might go down, or be wrapped in his numbers, like 1200 yards goes from 3rd rd to 2nd rd.
Steelers do that a lot. And keep Hall and Rodgers together.
This is all from likely throw away quote from the coach where a beat reporter speculated. Far from anything legit. Certainly possible he gets dealt going into last yr of contract on rebuilding team but AG Lion roots value good RBs. Im betting he stays.
 
Why would the Jets broadcast this junk? To try to get people to trade up with them for Jeanty?
If they draft Jeanty before they trade Hall, the return on Hall might go down, or be wrapped in his numbers, like 1200 yards goes from 3rd rd to 2nd rd.
Steelers do that a lot. And keep Hall and Rodgers together.
This is all from likely throw away quote from the coach where a beat reporter speculated. Far from anything legit. Certainly possible he gets dealt going into last yr of contract on rebuilding team but AG Lion roots value good RBs. Im betting he stays.

If this is the Jets propping up Jeanty and baiting people into trading after Oakland and before Dallas to acquire him... the Jets have a lot of holes and have drafted RB pretty heavily since acquiring Breece Hall.

Hall's value, with the looming contract and potential cap hit, is minimal but that 7th pick holds value. If you can sell the 7th pick to Pittsburgh for a 1st in 2025, 1st in 2026 and a 2nd or 3rd in either year... you hit the jackpot on a OL rebuild (maybe still get your TE too).

Sadly, Breece will still be a Jet IMO.
 
Notebook: League source tells me they’ve heard about the potential* availability of #Jets RB Breece Hall “within the last week and a half.”


As a Breece owner, I'd welcome a change of scenery. Any team that traded for him would almost certainly plan to feature him, and the fear now is that the Jets do not. I don't begrudge the Jets and Aaron Glenn for looking to move him, especially if they like what they have in Allen and Davis (and/or think they can add another talented back in late Day 2/Day 3).
 
Notebook: League source tells me they’ve heard about the potential* availability of #Jets RB Breece Hall “within the last week and a half.”

Any further news on this front? I can't find anything else corroborating it. I have the 1.01 and am really, really considering pulling the trigger on an offer. It's a TE premium PPR league, lineups are 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX. I have Barkley and Breece Hall at RB and garbage after that. My WR currently are Aiyuk, McConkey, DJ Moore, and not much after that. Being offered Zay Flowers, Javonte Williams, and 2.10 for Hall. I'm thinking of asking the owner to swap 1.10 for my 2.01 as well, if I do it. I just can't get rid of the nagging bad feeling about Hall's situation.
 
Notebook: League source tells me they’ve heard about the potential* availability of #Jets RB Breece Hall “within the last week and a half.”

Any further news on this front? I can't find anything else corroborating it. I have the 1.01 and am really, really considering pulling the trigger on an offer. It's a TE premium PPR league, lineups are 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 FLEX. I have Barkley and Breece Hall at RB and garbage after that. My WR currently are Aiyuk, McConkey, DJ Moore, and not much after that. Being offered Zay Flowers, Javonte Williams, and 2.10 for Hall. I'm thinking of asking the owner to swap 1.10 for my 2.01 as well, if I do it. I just can't get rid of the nagging bad feeling about Hall's situation.
thats a terrible trade for you to make IMO. And 1.10 for 2.01 is no prize for you either. I can understand Hall questions, but dont give him away.
 
I've tried to buy the dip on Breece in dynasty (no bites yet @Buckna lol). I think he's a special player who's value is dinged based on circumstance. I'm not sold that he's going to be that useful this year as anything other than a ho-hum RB2 (or worse) but in the long run, I think he's a type of player I would want to buy low on.

There's only so many RBs that are capable of the workload, passing usage and home run hitting ability that he has. It might not materialize this year but barring injuries (which of course is true of all ff players), he's more capable than most of being a difference maker in your lineup.- for years
 

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