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I'm not saying Hyde will lose the starting job, but do you think Bell, Elliot, Johnson, McCoy, Gurley, Gordon, Miller, Howard, Ajayi, Crowell, Lynch, and Fournette (among others) are being asked to "fend off" the other backs on the roster?
That's where I'm at with this "situation". It would mean a lot more IMO if the 49ers had traded up in the 1st (not really possible this year) or 2nd to take a RB. If they had traded up to pick 31 and instead of taking Foster they took Cook or Mixon I'd be quite concerned about Hyde's role and the coach's perception of his future. But trading up in the 4th to take the 11th RB? Sure it's possible for Joe to earn the job and be the guy Kyle wants in that role, maybe even become the GOAT. But the odds aren't in his favor.
many coaches say every job is an open competition. Frankly they should be in competition. The best players aren't going to lose their jobs and they aren't really in jeopardy, but it wouldn't shock me if the last 6 guys on your list got fewer carries than Hyde this year. 
Other than Fournette who is getting "lip service" of having to compete (because he's a rookie, but does anyone believe it?) have you heard any of those RBs head coaches say that they will be competing in camp to be the starter?
honestly, I don't pay much attention to these comments but I remember hearing them all too often (which is why they mean nothing IMO). A quick search from the Bills:
now, that comment was made in reference to Ty Taylor, but he says it applies to everyone.
Yes, because Hyde when healthy is the best back on the team. Given the improved receivers on this squad to keep the defense honest and a solid QB who can distribute the ball, I think 1300 yards (rushing and receiving) and 8-10 TD's are coming for Hyde if he keeps out of the trainers office.
yeah well that's like your opinion man
Such insight. can you provide a counter argument or are you only good at being snarky?
I don't read too much into coach comments unless they are negative, but Shanahan had glowing praise for Hyde. He said scheme doesn't matter and a good RB can play in any scheme. He said the NFL hasn't seen everything Hyde can do yet.
yes, that applies to his father....does everything your father did apply to you? Clearly you have an agenda. Hyde averages 4.3 a carry and is the best back on the team until it is proven otherwise. He did that with no receivers to threaten the defense and horrible QB play. He can only improve.
I was referring to this:
I'm not trying to say to avoid Hyde, but something like this worries me a little when it comes to a Shanahan. Pretty sure Kyle was the OC who replaced Steve Slaton, following a 1500 yfs season, with UDFA Arian Foster. No loyalty. It makes me feel better that coach had good things to say about Hyde though.Tool said:
hmmmm i think that was the right choice
That's not really accurate. Slaton was the starter in 09. Foster didn't play until week 10 that year. Foster played because Slaton was playing poorly (3.3 ypc), had 7 fumbles in 10 games and needed what was essentially career ending neck surgery.
And Slayton, at least fantasy wise, was a top 10 RB through week 7 that year. He fumbled, a lot, wasn't as effective (keep in mind it was only his second year in the NFL, unlike Hyde at this point), and there was Ryan Moats and even Chris Brown between Slayton and Foster that year. It just kinda fell in Foster's lap, who didn't even log a single carry till week 14.
you replied to my comment that many coaches say the jobs are in competition. Of course it's coach speak, most things are right now.
I don't own either guy so I have no bias. You don't see any difference in a new coach coming in and saying "open competition all across the board" versus a coach naming a specific player needing to earn his job? Do you think if Jonathan Williams looks sharp and McCoy does not have a great camp, Williams starts Week 1?
So no, I'm not taking the comments about him seeking out Joe in the 4th as meaning anything more than a coach actually wanting to add a player his gm drafted. One would think that would apply to most players. wo
Agreed. Observed Skelator Jr. enough with my team the Falcons. I think Breida is the next choice....
I don't think anyone is breaking the bank to get him but at his current price I'll take the chance.
How could Joe Williams have proven himself without having played a down in the NFL?
He couldn't have, which is why he is going undrafted in many drafts.
Hyde has had some decent seasons, not awesome though. Poster above has pointed out about Hyde ranking #11 in ppg last year. Not bad, in fact.
Per FF calculator ADP Hyde is going 3.09
In Shanahan's first season as offensive coordinator for the Falcons in 2015, they selected Tevin Coleman in the third. Everyone was told to write off Devonta Freeman, who was drafted by the "old regime." Freeman was a league-winning RB1 that year.
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/02/49ers-carlos-hyde-draws-kyle-shanahans-endorsement/
I admit this is apples to oranges because Freeman, just in his second year, hadn't done anything in NFL when Shanahan took over. But it seems to me Shanahan intended to use Coleman heavily as his starting tailback. In his first game as OC, he gave Coleman twice as many carries (And Coleman had 4x as many yards). Not until Coleman got hurt did Freeman force Shanahan's hand with some excellent performances.
Good point. Like you said, Hyde has shown a lot more than Freeman at that time and Hyde was drafted higher, was seen as a better prospect. The question that is interesting is did Shanahan learn a lesson from the Coleman/Freeman thing or are we reading more into these connections than has?
If one gets Carlos Hyde, one must also draft Joe Williams, I think that's the take away. As bill murray mentioned above, Joe Williams is super cheap. So there is no excuse not to take him for insurance.
