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RB Carlos Hyde, JAC (2 Viewers)

Florio has yet to report on Hyde trade rumors. Seems unlikely they are true if guys like him and Schefter aren't reporting them.

 
Does anyone else think that Hyde may be a little tired of all these rumors and go bonkers today?

Don't want to bench Howard or D.Martin but it's tempting.

 
Chaka said:
I am not sure if it's just you posting this multiple times or if others are as well but I have seen this refrain multiple in this thread and I have no idea what people are basing it on.

Shanahan wants to win. Shanahan also has a long history of feeding his primary RB when he has a legit lead RB. We can debate whether or not Hyde is a legit lead RB but I don't see how anyone can question Shanahan's usage of RBs.

Now if you want to talk about his failure to utilize his #1 WR near the goal line I'm totally on board that train. Actually I'm the conductor of that train.
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It’s called opinion. Hence the addition of IMO.  I watched it plenty with his father too, as well as coaches like Chip Kelly.  IMO their ego and their high opinion of themselves can be counterproductive to the interests of the team.    I’m not sure how anyone looking in from the outside sees that Breida is a superior RB to Hyde.  And if anyone knows that bellcow RBs need feeding, it ought to be a Shanahan.

 
Chaka said:
I think the concerns have been outlined in great detail. It seems like so many people are already forgetting Hyde's upside.
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Link? I haven't seen a single poster say he doesn't have plenty of upside, it's the (new) low floor that is the issue. He had 1.8 pts. standard, 2.8 ppr, under what should have been nearly ideal circumstances last week. I don't think anyone would even be thinking of starting him if they forgot his upside.

 
Bronco Billy said:
It’s called opinion. Hence the addition of IMO.  I watched it plenty with his father too, as well as coaches like Chip Kelly.  IMO their ego and their high opinion of themselves can be counterproductive to the interests of the team.    I’m not sure how anyone looking in from the outside sees that Breida is a superior RB to Hyde.  And if anyone knows that bellcow RBs need feeding, it ought to be a Shanahan.
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And that is what he does. From Steve Slaton to Alfred Morris to Devonta Freeman he runs his lead RB until they break. He even made viable players out of guys like Ryan Torain and Roy Helu until they broke down.

I think he often gets too cute near the goal line with his #1 WR often being a decoy to free up the third TE or FB for short passing scores but his lead backs typically feast.

 
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Sweet, looks like he might get a goal line carry and they take a delay of game penalty.

 
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Hyde put up quite a nice fantasy day. He has been the only bright spot for the 49ers to this point...The 49ers may want to work Breida in, but he really hasn’t shown anything to this point in the season.

 
18 touches to 6, seems about right.

Frankly the niners performed much better than could be expected on game two of two cross country away games.

 
It also seems likely that going forward Shanahan will favor Hyde over Breida in the backfield with his rookie QB.

 
Carlos Hyde played on 56 offensive snaps (78%) 13 rushing attempts 28 yards (2.2 ypc) 2 TD 6 targets 5 receptions 47 yards

Matt Breida played on 17 offensive snaps (24%) 4 rushing attempts 21 yards (5.3 ypc) 4 targets 2 receptions 15 yards

Mostert 1 snap (1%) 1 rushing attempt 16 yards

Hoyer was benched for Beathard ( :unsure: ) so perhaps they wanted to lean more on Hydes experience. Most teams do not want rookies to support a new QB as part of setting the green QB up for success.

Rumors of trading Hyde have been denied by reporters who might know something about that. If they are planning to trade Hyde having him show out does support that I suppose.

Could just be that the coach wanted to send Hyde a lesson with the benching and comments. I am not really listening to any more  :hophead: and will stick with what the coach is actually doing with the players.

Hyde is getting starter snaps and Brieda is a change of pace.

 
He used him. That's what matters for me. Part of me wonders what Shanahan would have done if Hoyer stayed in the game but if he's starting Beathard from here on out, I'm more confident in going with Hyde. 

 
i have no new information to base this on, but it "feels" like I should be cutting bait with Hyde and selling high this week.

  • Coach has been talking up his rookie RB (usage sunday didnt align with comments)
  • hyde is not his player and has no ties to him
  • 0-6 team with little incentive to play vets
  • already released a respected vet (Bowman)
  • hyde's past injury history (or just inability to stay healthy for 16 games)
Really the injury history thing is the biggest issue, shannahan's comments arent helping either... Personally i like hyde's ability and i'm not getting why shannahan is so eager to talk up his rookie... i mean hyde isn't 29 he's only 26 and they should be able to count on him to be a contributer for another 2-3 more years.... the whole situation has me uneasy and I'm still really concerned week 14 hyde won't be a fantasy asset.

I guess one way to qualm fears is to roster breida, but i really don't see much in breida. he looks like JAG to me.    sorry to fear monger, but this whole thing has me on edge

 
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iamkoza said:
i have no new information to base this on, but it "feels" like I should be cutting bait with Hyde and selling high this week.

  • Coach has been talking up his rookie RB (usage sunday didnt align with comments)
  • hyde is not his player and has no ties to him
  • 0-6 team with little incentive to play vets
  • already released a respected vet (Bowman)
  • hyde's past injury history (or just inability to stay healthy for 16 games)
Really the injury history thing is the biggest issue, shannahan's comments arent helping either... Personally i like hyde's ability and i'm not getting why shannahan is so eager to talk up his rookie... i mean hyde isn't 29 he's only 26 and they should be able to count on him to be a contributer for another 2-3 more years.... the whole situation has me uneasy and I'm still really concerned week 14 hyde won't be a fantasy asset.

I guess one way to qualm fears is to roster breida, but i really don't see much in breida. he looks like JAG to me.    sorry to fear monger, but this whole thing has me on edge
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He is not talking up Breida any more than passing comments that are barely worthy of being included in an off-season puff piece. Look at what is happening on the field and look at Shanahan's history with RBs those are the only things that matter. NaVorro Bowman has nothing to do with Hyde. The "ties to the organization" argument never holds up to scrutiny. 0-6 or not how many coaches are going to put a rookie RB in the same backfield protecting the rookie QB they are evaluating for the future?

If you want to be concerned about Hyde's injury history, fine I get that. But everything else is just drumming up worry with little (zero) basis in reality.

That being said, now would be a good time to shop Hyde if you have the depth at RB and need help elsewhere.

 
I don't think Hyde is really any more likely to be persona non grata by week 14 than any other back.  For all the talk, he is the goal line back, primary receiving back, and has dominated snaps.  I really haven't seen any evidence that won't continue.

I'd also say he's had just one serious injury in the NFL: the fractured foot that cost him half a season.  Ty Montgomery, Dalvin Cook, Chris Carson, Rob Kelley, David Johnson...everybody can get hurt.  

 
Well, I was super wrong about Hyde this week. Crazy as all the local radio talk was about phasing him out, not the future, looking to deal him, etc.

glad I don’t own him because he would have been on my bench.

but I came in here to eat my crow. I was, without question, super wrong about Hyde this week, and I apologize to anyone who listened to / was influenced by my comments.

my bad. :(  

 
I benched him for CJ Anderson. Luckily (or unlucky) it didn't matter. Lost by 50 and the difference was 22 pts. He's back in there this week though. Hopefully we see good things.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Well, I was super wrong about Hyde this week. Crazy as all the local radio talk was about phasing him out, not the future, looking to deal him, etc.

glad I don’t own him because he would have been on my bench.

but I came in here to eat my crow. I was, without question, super wrong about Hyde this week, and I apologize to anyone who listened to / was influenced by my comments.

my bad. :(  
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The most likes on this page are for a guy saying he's eating crow.

 
It would be nice to see him get some solid rushing yards though. 2 pretty stout run defenses over the last 2 weeks, but under 2 ypc. I haven't seen much of San Fran this year, but I see their OL stats at F Outsiders are poor (low stuff and power ranks). What does everyone think of the OL play? As bad as the stats say? Does Hyde's style not mesh well? Is it stacking the box? SOS?

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Hey, we all make mistakes. Owning them is the hard part. ;)  
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But also how we learn from our mistakes.

It shows good character to admit when you are wrong. A lot of folks never do that and keep making the same mistakes over and over again because of it.

At least now your conscience is clear for you to make some new ones.  ;)

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Hey, we all make mistakes. Owning them is the hard part. ;)  
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Yes we do and it really shouldn't be so difficult.  I wish more people would.  I have never understood people unwilling to admit making mistakes and/or refusing to apologize.

Good on you brother.

 
Biabreakable said:
But also how we learn from our mistakes.

It shows good character to admit when you are wrong. A lot of folks never do that and keep making the same mistakes over and over again because of it.

At least now your conscience is clear for you to make some new ones.  ;)
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 Pretty sure you can take that one to the bank. :lol:  

 
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iamkoza said:
i have no new information to base this on, but it "feels" like I should be cutting bait with Hyde and selling high this week.

  • Coach has been talking up his rookie RB (usage sunday didnt align with comments)
  • hyde is not his player and has no ties to him
  • 0-6 team with little incentive to play vets
  • already released a respected vet (Bowman)
  • hyde's past injury history (or just inability to stay healthy for 16 games)
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It's not a madden franchise.  The incentive to play vets is that 7-9 is a lot better for Shanahan's job security going forward than 2-14 is.  This is a team that's lost 5 straight games by 3 points or less.  They're not as bad as their record indicates.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
It's not a madden franchise.  The incentive to play vets is that 7-9 is a lot better for Shanahan's job security going forward than 2-14 is.  This is a team that's lost 5 straight games by 3 points or less.  They're not as bad as their record indicates.
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In year one of a to-the-studs remodel, with Hoyer and TheBeard at QB, neither Lynch's nor Shanahan's job are likely to be at risk.

But regarding Hyde, barring limited but successful usage in week 1 and two major defensive lapses by Seattle in week 2 (where ProBowl/AllPro players KJ Wright and Kam Chancellor brainfarted and committed to the wrong gap), in the last 4 games Hyde has 62 carries for 191 yards and 17/14 targets/catches for 91 yards while going against Rams, Cardinals, Colts, and Redskins, teams that are 18th, 7th, 21st, and 8th (average 13.5) in run defense DVOA. That's an average of (191+91)/(62+17) = 3.6 yards per utilization. That's pretty poor. He also has been consistently in the top 8 RBs of yards before first potential tackle (good OL play). He's has not been a special player so far this year. Breida may not be a super star, but there is little reason to expect Hyde to perform at an elite level of efficiency, nor little reason for the coaches to feed him the ball 30 times a game. Hyde is not head and shoulders better than his competition. Regression (after the first two games) for Hyde this season looks like a barely 3 ypc back with 15 carries per game and 4 receptions for 28 yards and .75 TD every game.

 
xrayveggin said:
In year one of a to-the-studs remodel, with Hoyer and TheBeard at QB, neither Lynch's nor Shanahan's job are likely to be at risk.

But regarding Hyde, barring limited but successful usage in week 1 and two major defensive lapses by Seattle in week 2 (where ProBowl/AllPro players KJ Wright and Kam Chancellor brainfarted and committed to the wrong gap), in the last 4 games Hyde has 62 carries for 191 yards and 17/14 targets/catches for 91 yards while going against Rams, Cardinals, Colts, and Redskins, teams that are 18th, 7th, 21st, and 8th (average 13.5) in run defense DVOA. That's an average of (191+91)/(62+17) = 3.6 yards per utilization. That's pretty poor. He also has been consistently in the top 8 RBs of yards before first potential tackle (good OL play). He's has not been a special player so far this year. Breida may not be a super star, but there is little reason to expect Hyde to perform at an elite level of efficiency, nor little reason for the coaches to feed him the ball 30 times a game. Hyde is not head and shoulders better than his competition. Regression (after the first two games) for Hyde this season looks like a barely 3 ypc back with 15 carries per game and 4 receptions for 28 yards and .75 TD every game.
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Thats some serious mental gymnastics to arrive at an incorrect conclusion.

Carlos Hyde is averaging 4.2 ypc on the season. 4.3 yards per carry for his career.

 
hyde was the only player i had on both of my teams this year... i traded him and desean for freeman today in one, likely will hold the other. stats and the eye test both clearly indicate hyde is the better rb (over breida), i'm hoping it stays that way ROS

 
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