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RB Dalvin Cook, DAL (3 Viewers)

need2know said:
He's going third sometimes fourth round in mocks I'm doing
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Yup. Cook, Mixon, Fournette, and McCaf are all going in the 3rdish rounds now. Cook flying up the boards and Fournette dropping. Another good game from Cook and Mixon and they'll be in the 2nd round I'd bet.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Founette would be the best option in non PPR.  Of Cooks and Mccaffery, Cooks has the higher floor (more carries) and Mccaffery the higher ceiling (more TDs).  For now, just monitoring Mixon....I think you have to be concerned with timeshare scenario although "conventional wisdom" is the Mixon is "the guy".
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Not sure mcaffery would get more tds with Stewart and cam there at goaline.  

More rec for sure though

 
Biabreakable said:
Every Dalvin Cook play from 2017 Preseason Week 2 vs Seattle
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He looked good but I still think he's missing some of those lanes. You can see on the second play (stopped at the 9 second mark) that there's room to the outside right. #20 has over committed to the inside and there's Vikings blockers out there. At the 24 second mark it looks like there is a lane up the middle but slightly to his left that had more potential. 

 
Biabreakable said:
Every Dalvin Cook play from 2017 Preseason Week 2 vs Seattle
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rickyg said:
Man did he look good last night.  And more importantly, his o line was opening up holes for him.  But he was reading the hand showing excellent vision 

he had a few runs where he slipped and fell.  Could have been a way bigger night.  He's making me re-think my #1 rookie draft pick.  I was kind of settling in on mixon.  But I think cook is in a better situation for this year and maybe beyond and is incredibly talented.   

He definitely passed fournette in my mind.  I think based on situation he passed mccaffery as I don't think Carolina and cam will use mccaffery to extract maximum value.  

Its bw cook and mixon for me at 1.1 now.  If hill wasn't in Cincy I think it would be mixon BC he looks every bit as good and explosive as cook but has more of a 3 down back frame 
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He looked average imo.  He got the yards that were there.  I think Murray get at least those yards on the same runs.  The screen at 17 seconds was set up beautifully, it would have probably gone for a touchdown.  Dalvin got caught up in the lineman and didn't make himself available.  The run at 22 seconds of the video, if he had followed his hback, he gets at least 4 yards, but it might go for a touchdown. 

 
need2know said:
Not sure mcaffery would get more tds with Stewart and cam there at goaline.  

More rec for sure though
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Stewart had one of the highest elusive ratings in the league last year and people think he's going to just disappear. 

Tex

 
Nero said:
He looked average imo.  He got the yards that were there.  I think Murray get at least those yards on the same runs.  The screen at 17 seconds was set up beautifully, it would have probably gone for a touchdown.  Dalvin got caught up in the lineman and didn't make himself available.  The run at 22 seconds of the video, if he had followed his hback, he gets at least 4 yards, but it might go for a touchdown. 
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Cook is young and may get better. Right now, Mixon seems to already have great vision between the tackles and ability to break tackles. Cook looks fast and can make people miss. He may also be a week 1 starter.

 
Borden said:
He looked good but I still think he's missing some of those lanes. You can see on the second play (stopped at the 9 second mark) that there's room to the outside right. #20 has over committed to the inside and there's Vikings blockers out there. At the 24 second mark it looks like there is a lane up the middle but slightly to his left that had more potential. 
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You can do this with EVERY single running back in this league.

Tex

 
BigTex said:
You can do this with EVERY single running back in this league.

Tex
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No doubt. But it was something that noticed in his last game too. The reason why I personally am taking note is because I believed his vision and setup abilities are what make him special. But if he's missing yards on a third (2 out 6?) his carries, this might be an issue. 

I'm not docking him for this yet but if it's a continuing pattern this may be a cause for concern. Either they are not play calling/blocking for his skill set or he has a significant flaw. 

 
Borden said:
No doubt. But it was something that noticed in his last game too. The reason why I personally am taking note is because I believed his vision and setup abilities are what make him special. But if he's missing yards on a third (2 out 6?) his carries, this might be an issue. 

I'm not docking him for this yet but if it's a continuing pattern this may be a cause for concern. Either they are not play calling/blocking for his skill set or he has a significant flaw. 
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He's a rookie, the one thing all rookies say is how fast the game is at this level but after several games it begins to slow down and the light switch comes on. It takes a little time for the game to slow down for these rooks and Cook is only going to get better it's waaay too early to be judging him on that even when it's one of his strengths. Now if we are in game 4 or 5 of the regular season and he's still missing opportunities and it's costing the offense then there might be some concerns. Take notes, observe and wait because this game is going to slow down then we will see the Cook we've seen the last several years in Florida St.

Remember when Zeke started slow? He turned out to do ok when things began to slow down.

Tex

 
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BigTex said:
Stewart had one of the highest elusive ratings in the league last year and people think he's going to just disappear. 

Tex
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No one thinks Stewart is going to disappear.

Latavius isn't going to sit on the bench this year.

 
Chaka said:
No one thinks Stewart is going to disappear.

Latavius isn't going to sit on the bench this year.
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Not sure what one has to do with the other!?!?

Every other post has CMC as the starter and no mention of Stewart as if he doesn't exist but whatever.

Tez

 
BigTex said:
Not sure what one has to do with the other!?!?

Every other post has CMC as the starter and no mention of Stewart as if he doesn't exist but whatever.

Tez
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The cook to mccaffrey comparisons will be mocked in a few months.  Not even in the same talent stratosphere.

 
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buck naked said:
It's really really hard for guys to see facts which do not fit their initial conclusion. We all see what we want to see.
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That's not true of most people. It's true of some people. The whole point of reading and discussing things on here is to challenge my initial thoughts on players.

 
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BigTex said:
Not sure what one has to do with the other!?!?

Every other post has CMC as the starter and no mention of Stewart as if he doesn't exist but whatever.

Tez
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There is a lot of back and forth about Stewart in the McCaffrey thread. It's worth checking out.

 
TripItUp said:
The cook to mccaffrey comparisons will be mocked in a few months.  Not even in the same talent stratosphere.
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I actually agree with you on this.  CMC should have won the Heismann.  

Where I differ with you is that I see Cook and the Vikings Oline being successful to the tune of 250/1000/7 with 35/250/2 thrown in. 

This years Vikings >>> Last years Vikings.

Conversely, the Panthers are trying to manage Cam's downshift to a pocket passer and Funchess is garbage.  These are legit Carolina concerns.

 
Biabreakable said:
Shurmur's 'State of the Offensive Line' Address

From the beginning of this he is asked first about his perspective on using multiple RB from the Eagles.

Then asked specifically about Dalvin Cook in pass protection, he says Cook has done a good job.I don't see any elements of RB play that he can't be very good at, and pass protection is one of them.

Then asked if he can trust Cook in those types of situations, he says absolutely. He has a great background in it. He has a great foundation coming from Florida State. He understands the big picture. He understands our terminology as far as who we are blocking and he has a real good feel for the game.

Most of the rest of this is talk about the offensive line.
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I rewatched this because I'm curious about how the ball will be distributed.

Shurmur makes it sound like a RBBC is possible but just looking at his full tenure in PHI, 2015 looks like more of an outlier. McCoy carried the ball 314 times in the prior years (13 and 14) and the reason it was more evenly distributed in 15 was because Murray didn't fit the ZBS. Heck if you go back to Shurmurs days as the OC in STL, 2015 was the first time a RB in his offense didn't carry the ball 300+ times.

I don't think this offense will be nearly as uptempo as Chip Kelly's but just looking at this from the perspective of how one RB usually dominates touches his offense, are we possibly underestimating Cook's volume? Cook obviously fits the scheme better, as Murray is a better gap than zone runner. Shurmur has shown some tendency to utilize specialists (Sproles, Asiata) but I'm not even convinced Murray does anything better than Cook aside from possibly pass blocking. A lot of Murray's short yardage/GL success can be attributed to OAK's OL and he's not going to be afforded the same push in MIN.

I'm at least curious as to how much in between the 20s work people think Murray is going to receive. 

 
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tombonneau said:
Sure saw a lot of Bradford check downs and screens to Cook in that game. Could be a 70 catch back?
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Its possible.

Conservative estimate for him is 43 but there certainly is upside for more.

On the screen play that failed yesterday Nick Easton who was playing left guard in place of Alex Boone ran over Cook before Bradford threw the ball, making it impossible to convert the play.

In press conference with Pat Shurmur from a week ago he said they have been working on RB screens a lot. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. They definitely wont when linemen run over the intended receiver.

The timing likely off from Easton playing out of position. Every preseason play becomes something the coaches can teach from. Pretty sure they will be telling Easton to not run Cook over on these plays from now on. 

 
Borden said:
He looked good but I still think he's missing some of those lanes. You can see on the second play (stopped at the 9 second mark) that there's room to the outside right. #20 has over committed to the inside and there's Vikings blockers out there. At the 24 second mark it looks like there is a lane up the middle but slightly to his left that had more potential. 
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I appreciate your critical eye Borden.

On the play from last week that you said he had a crease to the right, I watched that several times and I don't really agree with your observation. There was a LB poised to fill that hole and you would be counting on Jarius Wright to block that guy if he did go there (was not the design of the play) I don't think this would have led to a better play or would have been a better decision. We can agree to disagree about that. That was last week.

This week I see you are making a similar observation here at the 9 second mark. We have Cook in the dot with a wing back off set to the right 3 WR. The defense is 4-3 and they have their 2 DT and LDE shifted towards the strength of the formation. The 3 LB are also a bit set to the left (Vikings right) the RDE is more on an island with a big gap between him and the nearest DT. the safety is cheating up, just a bit back from the LBers and he is focused on that gap between the RDE and the DT's thats his gap assignment, or if the play goes outside of the RDE its his job to support there. He steps up twice almost being even with the LBers at the snap of the ball, 8 in the box a 4-4 with FS single high.

At the snap of the ball the action is to the left side (where the defense was a bit weaker) both Cook and the wingbacks first steps are towards the left. The line blocks down to the right with the LT sealing the RDE to the outside, opening a gap where the defense left one mentioned above. The right corner fills the gap and is unblocked by Adam Theilen. Two LB are waiting behind the line. I can see the cut back to the outside on the right being there and perhaps an option Cook should consider on this play. As you mention the flow of the defense is to protect this gap that they left open and the Vikings do block to open up. Good thing is Rashod Hill seals the RDE pretty well to the outside on this play, there would be a gap in the corner had not come over to fill the hole. I assume the wing back blocks center because they didn't want him getting in Cooks way if he led through the hole. While Wright is not a guy I think the Vikings should ever rely on to make blocks, he does a pretty good job on number 20 this play and I can see the space off of RT if Cook had decided to cut over there to space.

The run at the 24 second mark I am seeing the same thing as you are. There is a lane to the left that if Cook cuts back to here may have led to a better gain. Looking at the 23 second mark you have the wing back (89 David Morgan blocking TE) is at the LOS but hasn't blocked yet. Cook makes his decision to cut to the right at this moment, You can see this because of his feet and also the direction Cook is looking. At this moment of the play, Morgan has not engaged the LB and there is a very small gap to the right that Cook is trying to hit. You see the gap but number 20 is filling it at the 24 second mark, Morgan is just at this time starting to block the LB. As 89 is blocking the LB out Cook is getting low ready to take on 20 in the hole, he isn't looking at the lane to his left, that just at this moment is beginning to open up. Then the defensive lineman (Bennett) gets off his block causing even more problems for Cook trying to hit this used to be hole to the right and he gets tackled by Bennett in the hole. While I think this criticism is fair, there was a lane to the left that opens up briefly, it all happens so fast, it would have required an extremely good play by Cook to notice this and cut back to the left side, after he had already committed to hitting the gap to the right, before this lane opened up. If Cook were slightly more patient (we are talking about a fraction of a second here) then maybe he would have been able to see this and cut back. I think he committed to taking the other gap and was trying to hit it as hard as he could because of 20. Bennett is very good, which is why he defeats his block at just the right time to make this tackle.

As with all of these plays, it gives the coaches something to critique and becoming a teaching example for their players.

 
Nero said:
He looked average imo.  He got the yards that were there.  I think Murray get at least those yards on the same runs.  The screen at 17 seconds was set up beautifully, it would have probably gone for a touchdown.  Dalvin got caught up in the lineman and didn't make himself available.  The run at 22 seconds of the video, if he had followed his hback, he gets at least 4 yards, but it might go for a touchdown. 
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Set up beautifully except that Easton turns to get downfield and runs Cook over preventing him from getting to the ball and being knocked down in the process. You seem to blame Cook for this, I don't agree. Easton needed to let Cook proceed to the ball and if that means waiting a tick, that is what he needs to do, or to take a path behind Cook to the right so that he doesn't run him over.

I already talked about the second play you describe in my response to Borden. You are talking about nano seconds here, the lane was not available at the time Cook decides to try the right side, it wasn't until after he had already committed to the right that Morgan passes the LOS and gets a block on the LB. While I can see what both of you are saying, it would require that Cook be more patient and hesitate at the LOS for this to develop (without him knowing if it would develop or not). I don't think coaches want a RB to stop their feet and hesitate behind the LOS on plays like this, but likely this is something they talked about during film review.

 
bostonfred said:
He looks more like Peterson than gerhart or asiata.
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Cook is never going to run over defenders the way Peterson has in his career. 

That said he has been able to generate some yards after contact and I think has some power to his game that may be a bit more powerful than what some critics have given him credit for.

 
SameSongNDance said:
I rewatched this because I'm curious about how the ball will be distributed.

Shurmur makes it sound like a RBBC is possible but just looking at his full tenure in PHI, 2015 looks like more of an outlier. McCoy carried the ball 314 times in the prior years (13 and 14) and the reason it was more evenly distributed in 15 was because Murray didn't fit the ZBS. Heck if you go back to Shurmurs days as the OC in STL, 2015 was the first time a RB in his offense didn't carry the ball 300+ times.

I don't think this offense will be nearly as uptempo as Chip Kelly's but just looking at this from the perspective of how one RB usually dominates touches his offense, are we possibly underestimating Cook's volume? Cook obviously fits the scheme better, as Murray is a better gap than zone runner. Shurmur has shown some tendency to utilize specialists (Sproles, Asiata) but I'm not even convinced Murray does anything better than Cook aside from possibly pass blocking. A lot of Murray's short yardage/GL success can be attributed to OAK's OL and he's not going to be afforded the same push in MIN.

I'm at least curious as to how much in between the 20s work people think Murray is going to receive. 
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Interesting observations about Shurmurs history and use of RBBC.

I agree the offense will not be as up tempo as Chip Kelly. I think this is something that could be said about any offense. IIRC Adam Gase and the Patriots are the other two examples of high use of up tempo offense that are close to Chip Kelly pace. Mike Zimmer is a defensive minded coach, he is going to want to work the clock much more than these other coaches do.

That said Shurmur has said that he learned things from Chip Kelly that he carries forward in his scheme and game planning. Also Bradford has mentioned having more freedom to change plays at the line than last year. Mainly because of him being present for training camp and the full offense install.

I definitely think my projections for Cook (220 rushing attempts 40 receptions) are conservative and may be under estimating his opportunity in this offense. I could see those rushing attempts and receptions being higher than this. That would be my median range projection for Cook as far as his opportunity over 16 games. Possible Cook has 250 rushing attempts and 50 or more receptions this year. Because he is a rookie, I try to be more conservative in my estimates as far as this goes. The Vikings certainly had no reluctance to give the ball to Peterson 300-400 times in a season.

Murray doesn't do anything better than Cook. I am a bit surprised by peoples comments in regards to this. There are some Murray fans out there I guess. Murray was brought in to replace Matt Asiata. He is going to have a role similar to Asiata as a pass blocker, and he is an ugrade over Asiata as a runner and receiver, but for the most part I see him blocking and getting the occasional pass his way or possibly some draw plays. I don't see Murray playing on early downs or splitting series with Cook at all. Murray role will be when the Vikings are predicting high chance of blitz that they need the RB to pick up. He might be the Vikings goal line RB and get some TD from that opportunity.

 
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Minnesota Vikings Starting Offense and Defense Earn Good Marks, but Key Performers Struggled

Notably, the running game looked much better; Dalvin Cook threaded together several runs of eight yards or more and ended the day with 5.7 yards a carry. He also generated a decent success rate, which means that it wasn’t built entirely off of scattered big runs.

Aiding him in that effort were an offensive line unit missing its best blocker from the offseason but good enough to create some good lanes. In fact, they should be given even more credit for creating some big holes that Cook didn’t take advantage of in this game and in the prior game. While Cook didn’t seem to make more than one of these vision errors a game, it’s worth keeping track of.

Most notably, right tackle Mike Remmers and temporary guard Nick Easton did some of the best work across the line of scrimmage to create those lanes—though there weren’t particularly bad showings as run blockers from the first unit. In pass protection, there was a hit surrendered by rookie Pat Elflein and some hairy by-the-skin-of-his-teeth work by Mike Remmers, but largely it was a much better showing than we saw last week.
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Arif seems to agree with some holes being there that Cook didn't take advantage of.

 
Biabreakable said:
Set up beautifully except that Easton turns to get downfield and runs Cook over preventing him from getting to the ball and being knocked down in the process. You seem to blame Cook for this, I don't agree. Easton needed to let Cook proceed to the ball and if that means waiting a tick, that is what he needs to do, or to take a path behind Cook to the right so that he doesn't run him over.

I already talked about the second play you describe in my response to Borden. You are talking about nano seconds here, the lane was not available at the time Cook decides to try the right side, it wasn't until after he had already committed to the right that Morgan passes the LOS and gets a block on the LB. While I can see what both of you are saying, it would require that Cook be more patient and hesitate at the LOS for this to develop (without him knowing if it would develop or not). I don't think coaches want a RB to stop their feet and hesitate behind the LOS on plays like this, but likely this is something they talked about during film review.
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If you are running a route against an offensive lineman and can't get open it's your fault. There were no defenders, but he wasn't open. No way that is on the lineman, he has to make himself available.

All of the defenders were occupied on the other run. All he needed to do was trust his lead and be a tad more patient. He missed the read. One missed read doesn't define him, but it wasn't an impressive performance, because he left yards on the field.

 
Vikings Updated Depth Chart and Notes

I thought people might be interested in the write up about the changes to the Vikings offensive line as detailed somewhat in this article.

Last year the Vikings offensive line was ranked 29th in the league overall by PFF. The best performing lineman last season was Joe Berger, both in pass protection, run blocking, and overall rating with an 89.6, 77.5, and 83.2 respectively. All very good. He is also the only starting lineman at the beginning of last year returning as a starter this year. All the other week one starters last season are gone. Nick Easton is the only other lineman to see any action last year (5 starts at center) for the Vikings who is now a starter this season. Overall that represents about a 77% turnover, in terms of combined snaps, for the offensive line from a year ago. This is a good thing, given how bad the offensive linemen replaced this year were for the Vikings last season.

The offensive line has improved in two ways over last year. First, the quality of the starting unit has improved. It’s not top-notch, but it looks to have gone from poor to average, which is a big step up. I suspect as a run-blocking unit it has improved even more. The other way it has improved is with better quality depth. Having guys like Rashod Hill, Jeremiah Sirles and Danny Isidora as backups leaves less of a drop-off in performance if one of the starters goes down. Overall it’s not likely to be an elite unit, but it looks to be much better than last year.

Starting Left Tackle: Riley Reiff

It’s been two years since Reiff played left-tackle with the Lions, having been moved to right-tackle last season, and Reiff has seen only limited action in pre-season and training camp due to a back issue. So, just how well he settles back into his old left-tackle position remains to be seen. At both tackle spots, Reiff has been an average performer according to PFF, and equally so between pass protection and run blocking. But assuming Reiff will continue his average performance, the Vikings will have a vastly improved left-tackle from that of not only last year, but the past several as well.

Starting Left Guard: Nick Easton

Easton has proven a pleasant surprise for the Vikings this off/pre-season, starting as center over Pat Elflein before ultimately being tried at left guard and beating out incumbant veteran Alex Boone for the job. Easton has looked solid in run blocking and pass protection in more extended reps in pre-season, and seems to work better as a unit with fellow ‘low center of gravity guy’ Pat Elflein at center. While still unproven in regular season action, Easton looks to be a more complete left guard than Boone, particularly when it comes to run blocking, and should be the upgrade the Vikings coaching staff felt he was in releasing Boone.

Starting Center: Pat Elflein

Third-round draft pick Pat Elflein may have gotten off to a slower start immediately after being drafted by the Vikings out of Ohio State, but he looks to have climbed the learning curve substantially in recent weeks, becoming more comfortable making the calls and improving his blocking technique and snaps. Similarly, he continued to improve in pre-season action, ultimately getting the starting nod in combination with Easton at left guard. Elflein will need to continue to improve to reach his potential, but his familiarity with zone blocking along with his toughness and leadership ability should make him a fixture at center for many years.

Starting Right Guard: Joe Berger

This may be Berger’s last season at age 35, but he has been the best offensive lineman on the team the past couple years, and really the only good one in both pass pro and run blocking. Berger returns to his old right-guard position, where he has looked very good in pre-season.

Starting Right Tackle: Mike Remmers

Assuming all the Vikings offensive linemen live up to expectations and previous performance levels, Remmers may very well prove to be the weak link- at least in pass protection. Remmers has been below-average in pass protection and slightly above-average in run blocking virtually his entire career. However, this masks often up-and-down performance for Remmers- particularly in pass protection- where he struggles against better defensive ends. Some game planning may be necessary to help out Remmers if he proves to be a liability in pass protection.

Swing Tackle: Rashod Hill

Hill has done well filling-in primarily at left-tackle during training camp and pre-season for the injured Riley Reiff, after having a good performance in his one start at left tackle in the finale last season against the Bears. Most recently he’s also got some work at right tackle, and after the roster cut-down looks to be the primary backup at both tackle spots. There is a case to be made for Hill over Remmers at right tackle, but for now he looks like a capable swing tackle.

Backup Right Guard: Danny Isidora

Isidora looks to be a nice pick-up as a 5th round draft pick, as he has earned praise for several coaches since being drafted by the Vikings. He’s also done well in pre-season action. He’s still a work-in-progress, however, who will hopefully continue to improve and become more consistent. I’m not sure if he’ll be the primary interior-back-up on game days, but for any extended duty in replacement of Joe Berger will probably go to Isidora.

Backup Left Guard: Jeremiah Sirles

The decision to cut Alex Boone rather than keep him as a backup may have been more about money than anything else, but Sirles did not show much drop-off in performance compared to Boone, according to PFF, and was more balanced between run and pass blocking. Sirles, playing both right tackle and left guard last year (he was better at left guard), earned a 68.1 (below average) rating, including a 77.0 (above average) run blocking grade and a 63.3 (below average) pass protection grade. Boone, by contrast, had a 79.9 (good) pass protection grade but a 49.3 run blocking grade, resulting in a 72.8 overall PFF grade last season - which wasn’t much better than Sirles. Given that Sirles is both younger, with more upside, and much less expensive, it makes sense that the Vikings were willing to move on from Boone- even as a backup. Overall Sirles looks to be a serviceable backup, with some potential to improve, particularly at left guard where he is better suited than right tackle.

Backup Swing Tackle: Aviante Collins

Collins was a bit of a surprise to make the 53-man roster, but may have played his way on in the last couple pre-season games, particularly the last one, where he received extended reps at left tackle. He may offer more upside for the Vikings than Willie Beavers who, after two years the Vikings gave up on. Collins has the arm strength (34 benchpress reps at Combine), decent length (6’4”, 33 3/8” arms), but is a bit undersized (295 lbs) and looks like he could use to develop more core strength to provide a better anchor. He’ll also need to continue to improve his technique, but he could eventually become a swing tackle if Rashod Hill is promoted at some point.
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The personnel moves further signal the Vikings intent to use more zone blocking and to run the plays that Dalvin Cook excels at.

 
Latavius Murray said the Vikings haven't settled on a goal-line back.

The 6'3, 230-pound Murray would seem to be an obvious choice for goal-line work after registering 12 touchdowns with Oakland in 2016, but the Vikings have yet to assign him that role. "We still need to go out there and play some games," said Murray. The Vikings may opt to take things slow with Murray after missing most of the summer with an ankle injury. Either way, second-round rookie Dalvin Cook is the back to own in Minnesota.
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Missed out on Cook. I'm a bit disappointed. I like his potential this year... would be just a little nervous about him from a dynasty perspective for staying out of trouble but so far he's been doing fine with that. Good luck to all that have him. Definitely on my radar if I can land in a trade, but I think his stock just goes up from here. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
Missed out on Cook. I'm a bit disappointed. I like his potential this year... would be just a little nervous about him from a dynasty perspective for staying out of trouble but so far he's been doing fine with that. Good luck to all that have him. Definitely on my radar if I can land in a trade, but I think his stock just goes up from here. 
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Yeah nothing but positive info.  Really excited for him as my rb2.  Only worry is the oline.  Murray has never really bothered me

 
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