RB David Johnson, Retired (1 Viewer)

[TZMarkie]

So now, the guy I was highest on all early season has found himself very fantasy relevant due to injury.

Sadly I dropped him many weeks ago in most leagues. :(

I did manage to acquire DJ last night in a single league, so I am still on board.

Really, REALLY like this kid........from the interviews I have seen he seems relatively intelligent and a "gung ho" team centered kind of player.

Not of the "me, me, me" variety like so many of the backs today.

I'm really rooting for this kid to have a monster finish and help the Cardinals have a great rest of season.

The talent is certainly there.

My only concern is that he hasn't had much run, and is likely still a bit inexperienced when it comes to the playbook.

Hopefully his immense talent helps to overcome any of those deficiencies until he gets a bit more experience in the high pressure situations soon to come.

TZM

 

[Futz]

Glazer reporting a broken tibia for Chris Johnson. All systems are go for RB breakout.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I honestly think this boosts Palmer's value as well. CJ was solid but a screen to DJ has the potential to be taken to the house on any given play. ####, my expectations are way to high.

 

[Run It Up]

Its time boys. If you held on, prepare to be rewarded.

 

[RBM]

Held DJ all year and I'm excited but I'm not letting myself get too gung ho here. Just can't fully trust Arians yet.

 

[Milkman]

Arians will bring somebody in but DJ is still going to get most if not all of the GL touches + 3-4 catches + 7-8 carries minimum. In this offense that's a RB2 floor.

We can all get super excited.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I need an ignore function for threads that make me ill. Must have held this guy half the year.

FMTT

 

[dipandglide]

Arians will bring somebody in but DJ is still going to get most if not all of the GL touches + 3-4 catches + 7-8 carries minimum. In this offense that's a RB2 floor.

We can all get super excited.

Who do yoou think they bring in? Does anyone know if Ellington's injury is serious?

 

[RBM]

Arians will bring somebody in but DJ is still going to get most if not all of the GL touches + 3-4 catches + 7-8 carries minimum. In this offense that's a RB2 floor.

We can all get super excited.

Who do yoou think they bring in? Does anyone know if Ellington's injury is serious?

Think I heard turf toe which is usually a pain in the ### for a rb. No idea the severity though.

 

[ShaHBucks]

When you own a guy in every leagues and news like this drops

 

[Milkman]

Arians will bring somebody in but DJ is still going to get most if not all of the GL touches + 3-4 catches + 7-8 carries minimum. In this offense that's a RB2 floor.

We can all get super excited.

Who do yoou think they bring in? Does anyone know if Ellington's injury is serious?

Think I heard turf toe which is usually a pain in the ### for a rb. No idea the severity though.

I've had this injury and it's really wild how it zaps your explosiveness. It instantly effected my first step and jumping ability. I never fully recovered from it. There is obviously different levels of severity to this injury but it's bad news for Ellington.

 

[Madden Curse]

Arians will bring somebody in but DJ is still going to get most if not all of the GL touches + 3-4 catches + 7-8 carries minimum. In this offense that's a RB2 floor.

We can all get super excited.

Arians seems like he would rather dig up ANY veteran, from OJ Simpson on down, rather than give a rookie meaningful gametime. But in this case he might finally have no choice.

 

[Quasimoto]

How is DJ's pass protection? If he can't protect Palmer, then BA isn't going to be excited about giving him a feature role.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Arians will bring somebody in but DJ is still going to get most if not all of the GL touches + 3-4 catches + 7-8 carries minimum. In this offense that's a RB2 floor.

We can all get super excited.

Who do yoou think they bring in? Does anyone know if Ellington's injury is serious?

Unless I'm mistaken Stepfan Taylor got a touch last week. The dude is underwhelming in just about every aspect but I suspect Arians will still run him out there. I know we've all seen DJ let Palmer get lit up at least once this year and I think, ultimately, DJ's touches will run inversely proportional to how often he fails to keep Palmer upright.

 

[Biabreakable]

Dude already has 8 TDs as the 3rd stringer (including one return TD).

I'm looking forward to this.

Saw a tweet that said his high carry game before yesterday's 8 carries was 7. I checked and on the year he only has 35 caries and 29 receptions so that has to be one of the highest touch-to-TD ratios in the league if not the highest. I'd love to see what he could do with 20 carries and a couple of receptions added on.

This is more a bias of a small sample size than anything else but there is no denying that Johnson has been good at finishing with TD when given the opportunity.

With 35 rushing attempts and 29 targets his 7 TD have happened one out of 10 times he touches the ball or is targeted in the passing game. If that were to continue (it wont) you would expect 2 TD as long as he gets 20 combined rushing attempts and targets.

Johnson has proven he is an outstanding receiver. I think it is the inside running, ball security and pass protection that Arians may not feel fully comfortable with him about yet.

 

[Otis]

Kid is special. This will be fun.

One and only concern: he needs to hold onto the ball. If he doesn't fumble, sky is the limit.

 

[Cheesedawg]

Dude already has 8 TDs as the 3rd stringer (including one return TD).

I'm looking forward to this.

Saw a tweet that said his high carry game before yesterday's 8 carries was 7. I checked and on the year he only has 35 caries and 29 receptions so that has to be one of the highest touch-to-TD ratios in the league if not the highest. I'd love to see what he could do with 20 carries and a couple of receptions added on.

This is more a bias of a small sample size than anything else but there is no denying that Johnson has been good at finishing with TD when given the opportunity.

With 35 rushing attempts and 29 targets his 7 TD have happened one out of 10 times he touches the ball or is targeted in the passing game. If that were to continue (it wont) you would expect 2 TD as long as he gets 20 combined rushing attempts and targets.

Johnson has proven he is an outstanding receiver. I think it is the inside running, ball security and pass protection that Arians may not feel fully comfortable with him about yet.

Those two boxes must be checked before his owners can celebrate. I have held him all year and will play him this week but my enthusiasm remains tempered until he proves he isn't a fumbler and that he can pick up the blitz.

 

[BobbyLayne]

What kind of utilization are people anticipating?

10-15 carries, couple receptions per game would mirror the second half of Ellington's rookie year two years ago when he was RBBC with Mendy. That should be his floor, but higher this week depending on Andre's turf toe. That injury can mess up RBs and tend to linger. Gotta figure Taylor will be in line for more snaps even though he's JAG.

Quite the convergence of events, going to be interesting.

 

[parasaurolophus]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

 

[Ilov80s]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

 

[BobbyLayne]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

It almost always takes luck to succeed in the playoffs. Led the league in points pretty much all last year, think I was the #2 seed, scored 70 in the first round. Worst week I've had since we went to PPR 5-6 years ago.

This year I'm a full game up and around 70-75 points up on points. But I was up over 100 and the last two weeks, while winning, I've been outscored by 4-5 teams. Expecting the Week 15 fade again.

Just hope to cover my fees with the #1 seed/points leader bonus. Anything beyond that, total crap shoot.

 

[Bayhawks]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"

I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

 

[Shutout]

Hopefully, after 12 weeks of playing in the NFL, Arians won't look at him as a rookie. I lost Bell, traded away Rawls a week before the Lynch injury and Ivory and Ingram are sputtering. I need some help here!

It's funny how coaches limit rookies when they have the luxury but when they NEED them we will hear sometime this week Arians say something like "this guy isn't a rookie anymore...he's played a year now" or how he needs to stop being a rookie and help.

It has been frustrating as a DJ owner but it might be the best thing. He's fresh. No rookie wall. Comes in with a little "unknown" and little film on him. Has a couple of nice matchups and, as luck would have it, both his hurdling blocks are removed at the same time.

This guy could very well be that type of guy that seems to come along every year and helps people win leagues with a few hot weeks right at the end.

 

[BobbyLayne]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

Fair points. Just a curiosity Q - what size league is this? In the 12x15 / 12x16 redrafts I typically play in, it's hard to roster lottery tickets. Had David for about half the year but had to drop for bye fillers. But in leagues with 18-30x12 rosters, different strategy/mindset.

 

[Shutout]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

It almost always takes luck to succeed in the playoffs. Led the league in points pretty much all last year, think I was the #2 seed, scored 70 in the first round. Worst week I've had since we went to PPR 5-6 years ago.

This year I'm a full game up and around 70-75 points up on points. But I was up over 100 and the last two weeks, while winning, I've been outscored by 4-5 teams. Expecting the Week 15 fade again.

Just hope to cover my fees with the #1 seed/points leader bonus. Anything beyond that, total crap shoot.

This. Exactly.

Over the years and across the leagues, I have had SO many "top" teams that have cruised to the best record, ran away with the points title, looked great on paper, etc, etc, but I can't tell you how many times weird luck has undone everything at the end. Back in the days, my studs would get sat in when they were so good for the first 3 months, there was "nothing to play for" in week 16. Or my stud RB gets hurt Week 11 or 12 or so and I watch as somebody hobbles out some absolute no-name 3rd stringer and he rocks out 2 TDs in championship week (usually the backup to my stud, just to rub some salt in the wound).

It IS a total crap shoot at the end. Try as we may across leagues to help the true deserving teams win, it seldom seems in the cards. It is honestly why I have shifted my strategy the past few years to include some of these wild cards. I hate to eat up roster slots in doing so but once I get one, I hold on to them no matter what because Murphy's law says the minute I drop the guy is when he becomes relevant.

 

[heckmanm]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"

I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

Agree. In a short-bench league where they are grabbed off the WW post-injury, "fall into" may be an accurate description. But in deeper leagues, getting backups as either handcuffs or lotto tickets is just good planning.

 

[Shutout]

I'm liking that he gets this "audition" role in Week 13, right before the playoffs. Lets us get a feel for his use when it starts counting in week 14. Really couldn't ask for a better set up than this. Then the schedule:

Vikings at home (actually liking this in terms of how I think the receiving opportunities might present themselves).

@ Eagles-Looks like any team can do anything they want to the Eagles right now.

Packers at home-In week 16!! Wow, This one game might produce a TON of FF championship points from players on both sides. Weather won't be a factor and both teams can score. Lots should be on the line for both teams (especially if the Cards have a clinching opportunity and can avoid having to need anything the following week vs. the Seahawks). THis one seems to be setting up to play into the key ff players' hands.

 

[BobbyLayne]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

It almost always takes luck to succeed in the playoffs. Led the league in points pretty much all last year, think I was the #2 seed, scored 70 in the first round. Worst week I've had since we went to PPR 5-6 years ago.

This year I'm a full game up and around 70-75 points up on points. But I was up over 100 and the last two weeks, while winning, I've been outscored by 4-5 teams. Expecting the Week 15 fade again.

Just hope to cover my fees with the #1 seed/points leader bonus. Anything beyond that, total crap shoot.

This. Exactly.

Over the years and across the leagues, I have had SO many "top" teams that have cruised to the best record, ran away with the points title, looked great on paper, etc, etc, but I can't tell you how many times weird luck has undone everything at the end. Back in the days, my studs would get sat in when they were so good for the first 3 months, there was "nothing to play for" in week 16. Or my stud RB gets hurt Week 11 or 12 or so and I watch as somebody hobbles out some absolute no-name 3rd stringer and he rocks out 2 TDs in championship week (usually the backup to my stud, just to rub some salt in the wound).

It IS a total crap shoot at the end. Try as we may across leagues to help the true deserving teams win, it seldom seems in the cards. It is honestly why I have shifted my strategy the past few years to include some of these wild cards. I hate to eat up roster slots in doing so but once I get one, I hold on to them no matter what because Murphy's law says the minute I drop the guy is when he becomes relevant.

I've been mulling this over the last few days. I typically have a roster that would crush everyone in Best Ball or All Play. But in the format I've chosen - my favorite league is a 22 year redraft, and from past discussion I know the majority actually prefer the random bull#### outcomes of H2H - that depth that I accumulate typically doesn't pay off. Having a strong RB3 or WR4 - well hell yes, injuries happen, need to have a plan B. But that RB4 or WR5/6 I'm holding just to prevent him from being someone else's RB2/WR3? Yeah, not so much. I'll never use them and they won't be a difference maker for the team that does pick them. In a perfect world you package your depth for a stud, but pretty hard to find guppies that fall for the old twofer/threefer trade.

I don't think it should have taken me almost a quarter century to learn this , but going forward I need to believe in the wisdom of holding more lottery tickets than having the best depth in the league. Come to think of it, I've learned this lesson before. Guess I needed to learn it again.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

And a reminder that there will likely be other pieces that fall with even just 4 weeks left. Its a week to week league. I agree that more lottery tickets can be rostered in deeper leagues. There's always something out there though.

I can still name some unrostered RB tickets in my 12x20 league. Artis-Payne, Olawale, Herron, Asiata, Todman..

Ware and Draughns fit the bill too..rostered in the past few weeks. Stay thirsty my friends.

 

[zamboni]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"

I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

Agree. In a short-bench league where they are grabbed off the WW post-injury, "fall into" may be an accurate description. But in deeper leagues, getting backups as either handcuffs or lotto tickets is just good planning.

Easy to say that the handcuffs and lotto tickets are there for the taking - can't roster everyone.

As mentioned, with short benches guys like Ware, Rawls, Allen will go to the teams in best waiver positions. If you're in the middle of the pack or a strong team, hard if not impossible to get those guys before it's too late.

 

[Shutout]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

It almost always takes luck to succeed in the playoffs. Led the league in points pretty much all last year, think I was the #2 seed, scored 70 in the first round. Worst week I've had since we went to PPR 5-6 years ago.

This year I'm a full game up and around 70-75 points up on points. But I was up over 100 and the last two weeks, while winning, I've been outscored by 4-5 teams. Expecting the Week 15 fade again.

Just hope to cover my fees with the #1 seed/points leader bonus. Anything beyond that, total crap shoot.

This. Exactly.

Over the years and across the leagues, I have had SO many "top" teams that have cruised to the best record, ran away with the points title, looked great on paper, etc, etc, but I can't tell you how many times weird luck has undone everything at the end. Back in the days, my studs would get sat in when they were so good for the first 3 months, there was "nothing to play for" in week 16. Or my stud RB gets hurt Week 11 or 12 or so and I watch as somebody hobbles out some absolute no-name 3rd stringer and he rocks out 2 TDs in championship week (usually the backup to my stud, just to rub some salt in the wound).

It IS a total crap shoot at the end. Try as we may across leagues to help the true deserving teams win, it seldom seems in the cards. It is honestly why I have shifted my strategy the past few years to include some of these wild cards. I hate to eat up roster slots in doing so but once I get one, I hold on to them no matter what because Murphy's law says the minute I drop the guy is when he becomes relevant.

I've been mulling this over the last few days. I typically have a roster that would crush everyone in Best Ball or All Play. But in the format I've chosen - my favorite league is a 22 year redraft, and from past discussion I know the majority actually prefer the random bull#### outcomes of H2H - that depth that I accumulate typically doesn't pay off. Having a strong RB3 or WR4 - well hell yes, injuries happen, need to have a plan B. But that RB4 or WR5/6 I'm holding just to prevent him from being someone else's RB2/WR3? Yeah, not so much. I'll never use them and they won't be a difference maker for the team that does pick them. In a perfect world you package your depth for a stud, but pretty hard to find guppies that fall for the old twofer/threefer trade.

I don't think it should have taken me almost a quarter century to learn this , but going forward I need to believe in the wisdom of holding more lottery tickets than having the best depth in the league. Come to think of it, I've learned this lesson before. Guess I needed to learn it again.

IF you are in leagues that reward the highest points for the year (sounds like you are), then the depth does at least pay for itself in that way. Teams like ours that have great depth don't lose 35% of their scoring when bye weeks and injuries hit. We just slowly grind our way through things and collect that reward at the end of the year for that piece of it, at least.

I know it's not like this for a lot of leagues but the ones I play in have made a lot of effort to balance this out fairly so if you are that top team that gets pipped at the end, you still will win as much if not more than the guy that wins the league. Personally, I don't play for money. I would rather win the league but I do think it is fair that if you go 12-1 or whatever that you get recognized for your great season and money is always a nice recognition vehicle.

 

[heckmanm]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"

I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

Agree. In a short-bench league where they are grabbed off the WW post-injury, "fall into" may be an accurate description. But in deeper leagues, getting backups as either handcuffs or lotto tickets is just good planning.

Easy to say that the handcuffs and lotto tickets are there for the taking - can't roster everyone.

As mentioned, with short benches guys like Ware, Rawls, Allen will go to the teams in best waiver positions. If you're in the middle of the pack or a strong team, hard if not impossible to get those guys before it's too late.

True, especially with worst-to-first waivers.

 

[Todem]

I have consistently been in the last 2-3 spots in waiver order this season (Worst To First system). It has been impossible for me to grab handcuffs with a 5 man bench and one practice squad spot.

I did manage to grab Diggs (after his debut week), and I did grab Johnson 4 weeks ago? (cut loose Arian Foster when he went down) as an insurance policy to CJ2K (since he was starting every week for me for the exception of week 12). I was lucky.

Otherwise it is tough to get these guys when your winning.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"

I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

So you don't get his general point?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"

I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

Agree. In a short-bench league where they are grabbed off the WW post-injury, "fall into" may be an accurate description. But in deeper leagues, getting backups as either handcuffs or lotto tickets is just good planning.

But there's still some element of luck when it works out. Sure a "smart" owner could have rostered David Johnson all season - but if Chris Johnson (who has been the most durable back in the league for many years) and Ellington don't get injured, then that did you no good.

It's ok for us all to admit there's some luck involved in this game. Last year picking up CJ Anderson and Tre Mason late in the season helped take me to a redraft title. I guess I can claim that it was all skill, but while it was surely do to preparation, research and knowledge, timing and luck were factors as well.

 

[Bojang0301]

Love this guy. Hopefully this is when he runs away with it.

 

[Bayhawks]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

Fair points. Just a curiosity Q - what size league is this? In the 12x15 / 12x16 redrafts I typically play in, it's hard to roster lottery tickets. Had David for about half the year but had to drop for bye fillers. But in leagues with 18-30x12 rosters, different strategy/mindset.

12/20.

Agreed that it's harder to roster these players in smaller leagues, but that means more talent is available on the WW.

I see posts on this board advocating picking up players like Rudolph, J. Thomas, etc to cover Gronk/Graham injuries. That's not realistic in my league. You also see posts about streaming QB/TE/PK/D, etc that aren't realistic in my league. That doesn't mean my league is true for other leagues, so making a post that complains about those kinds of posts/transactions isn't valid.

 

[AcerFC]

Traded M Lynch for him and John Brown weeks ago

Lets roll fellas

 

[AcerFC]

Funny this was bumped today. I was offered CJ2k or Stewart for Johnson today. Johnson is keeper eligible. Im ambivalent. Trade deadline is next week. I think I would rather hold Johnson

smart guy

 

[Bayhawks]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"

I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

So you don't get his general point?

I get his point, I disagree with it.

I didn't "fall into" Johnson. I drafted him, and held him because I believe in his talent, and that when opportunity presented itself, his talent would equate to FF points. That's not falling into anything.

The Lynch owner in my league picked up Rawls very early, and held him even after Lynch returned. She didn't "fall into" anything.

I claimed West because I believed that he had talent similar to Charles (& Kniles didn't) & he would produce if the opportunity presented itself , and if I had chose to keep him rather than another WW drop, I wouldn't have "fallen into" anything.

If you want to claim that small league rosters allow the worst teams to pick up players who benefit from injury, that's fine, but that's not what he posted.

 

[Bayhawks]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"

I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

Agree. In a short-bench league where they are grabbed off the WW post-injury, "fall into" may be an accurate description. But in deeper leagues, getting backups as either handcuffs or lotto tickets is just good planning.

But there's still some element of luck when it works out. Sure a "smart" owner could have rostered David Johnson all season - but if Chris Johnson (who has been the most durable back in the league for many years) and Ellington don't get injured, then that did you no good.

It's ok for us all to admit there's some luck involved in this game. Last year picking up CJ Anderson and Tre Mason late in the season helped take me to a redraft title. I guess I can claim that it was all skill, but while it was surely do to preparation, research and knowledge, timing and luck were factors as well.

I did admit some luck, i clearly said the injury factor can't be predicted. That doesn't mean having David Johnson (or Rawls, or West) is luck.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Dynasty league train is now leaving the station CHOO CHOO.

Phoenix native and they have D.Johnson on the radio a bit out here.

They had a interview with him and he was honor roll in college and he worked the whole time he was at the school as the maintenance man.

He struck me as a extremely high character down to earth guy. So huge +++++ and hoping he kills it.

 

[Ilov80s]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

Just the points you kind of mentioned. Lots of teams in my league have owned Rawls, Deangelo, Allen, DJ, etc. through the year. They get added, someone loses patience/has a bye week/injury and get dropped. Then the process repeats with another owner. It becomes dumb luck who happens to be owning the guy when the injury to the starter happens.

 

[Bayhawks]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

Just the points you kind of mentioned. Lots of teams in my league have owned Rawls, Deangelo, Allen, DJ, etc. through the year. They get added, someone loses patience/has a bye week/injury and get dropped. Then the process repeats with another owner. It becomes dumb luck who happens to be owning the guy when the injury to the starter happens.

The points I kind of mentioned? I mentioned two guys being held because the owner saw the value in keeping them, not "losing patience/has a bye week/injury." Another owner could have drafted Johnson before I did; he wasn't an early pick. Another owner could have picked up Rawls earlier. They didn't; that isn't luck, that's the owners who did draft/pick them up, and hold them looking past "what have you done for me lately."

 

[dirtyjay]

This sure does have the makings of the out of nowhere fantasy mvp.

 

[Ilov80s]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

Just the points you kind of mentioned. Lots of teams in my league have owned Rawls, Deangelo, Allen, DJ, etc. through the year. They get added, someone loses patience/has a bye week/injury and get dropped. Then the process repeats with another owner. It becomes dumb luck who happens to be owning the guy when the injury to the starter happens.

The points I kind of mentioned? I mentioned two guys being held because the owner saw the value in keeping them, not "losing patience/has a bye week/injury." Another owner could have drafted Johnson before I did; he wasn't an early pick. Another owner could have picked up Rawls earlier. They didn't; that isn't luck, that's the owners who did draft/pick them up, and hold them looking past "what have you done for me lately."

I misread it and thought you said you dropped DJ and West. Posting and running on the treadmill is tough.

 

[Bayhawks]

First I hit the lottery with Rawls and now Johnson. Can't believe Gurley might be my #3 RB down the stretch.

Fantasy is so frustrating. You spend picks in the draft and make trades and work the waiver wire hard for the first 8 weeks to try and build a team with top players and in the end it's for nothing because some teams fall into Rawls, Allen, DJ, etc.

Why "fall into?"I drafted DJ, expecting him to be the guy toward the end of the year/next year. I held onto him despite Chris Johnson's success & Arians' refusal to get him more involved. I also picked up West 3 weeks prior to Charles' injury based on reports about him (and Kniles). Unfortunately, I cut him the week before Charles got hurt. If a smart owner had Rawls as Lynch's handcuff, that's no different.

Obviously, the injury factor can't be predicted, but to say owners who had these guys rostered "fell into" anything isn't totally accurate, IMO.

Just the points you kind of mentioned. Lots of teams in my league have owned Rawls, Deangelo, Allen, DJ, etc. through the year. They get added, someone loses patience/has a bye week/injury and get dropped. Then the process repeats with another owner. It becomes dumb luck who happens to be owning the guy when the injury to the starter happens.

The points I kind of mentioned? I mentioned two guys being held because the owner saw the value in keeping them, not "losing patience/has a bye week/injury." Another owner could have drafted Johnson before I did; he wasn't an early pick. Another owner could have picked up Rawls earlier. They didn't; that isn't luck, that's the owners who did draft/pick them up, and hold them looking past "what have you done for me lately."

I misread it and thought you said you dropped DJ and West. Posting and running on the treadmill is tough.

NP. Obviously there is luck involved; but its not total luck. It would have been luckier if this opportunity had come a few weeks ago, before my trade deadline; then I could have traded him or another RB for a WR, which is where my biggest need is. But I trusted in his talent too much to drop him for the likes of Diggs, M Wilson, Inma, etc.

 

[zamboni]

This sure does have the makings of the out of nowhere fantasy mvp.

I don't think he's going to get the workload to reach that level, even if Ellington is out. As mentioned, I think Taylor will get a fair number of snaps, if only to protect Palmer.

 

[dirtyjay]

This sure does have the makings of the out of nowhere fantasy mvp.

I don't think he's going to get the workload to reach that level, even if Ellington is out. As mentioned, I think Taylor will get a fair number of snaps, if only to protect Palmer.

Does Taylor give them a better chance to win over Johnson?

Arians willingness to play rookies is real, but after time to think. I believe it is a bit over blown. This is not week 1, this is week 13 and the kid has shown he is capable, more than capable. We know what Taylor is, and that is not as good as Johnson.

This may be one of those factors that people over think way too much. Johnson is the best RB on the team, with Chris and Andre out. I would say David is better than Andre when they are both healthy.

 

[Milkman]

Meh Arizona is basically already in the playoffs. Winning comes second to keeping Palmer healthy.