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Yes. AZ will probably play their starters most of the game unless either game gets out of hand early.
Wow. I am a Cardinals homer and own him in dyansty and love him. But I'd take that for him in a second.
I'd take Amari Cooper straight up for DJ in dynasty but I would hate to see him go.
wow. It would take more for DJ than amari for me.
Really depends on your team make-up. I've got Freeman & Gurley - if I were weak at WR I would probably take that. Lifespan of WR is longer, OAK is headed in right direction, etc....
No way. DJ is special talent. I don't think I could trade him. The Julio Jones owner in my dynasty league loves him, but I don't even know that I would do it for Julio right now. Srsly.Noah Davis said:
I know what you're saying but you get WR1 numbers for 8-9 years from Cooper. You get RB1 numbers from DJ for what? 4 maybe 5 years tops. Couple that with a slightly higher injury rate historically for RB and what seems to me as an easier time identifying RB to pick up off the WW and I think you have to do that deal.
Please, sell now.
We don't know either of these things. (We don't "KNOW" anything about how long these guys will play/dominate/do well, period). Neither of them have a long track record, and either of them could be "atypical."
They fell off after their rookies seasons but they are different from David Johnson's rookie season.
What does this even mean?
I think it means that it's a bad idea to burn a 1st or 2nd round pick on a guy who has only proven it over a relatively short period of time...especially a RB. I'll be struggling with this concept next season with respect to David Johnson. I love what I've seen so far, but he's still only shown us a small sample.
Some people had him ranked a lot higher so it's not as much of a stretch. I would have drafted him at 1.03 behind only Cooper and Gurley so moving him into the top 15 overall isn't as much of a stretch. Lots of WR I'd put ahead of him but not many RB. Heck look at that game last week where Arizona got killed, who did they turn to in their time of need? DJ got 8 targets in the first half. He and Palmer weren't on the same page because he should have gone to some kind of hot route but that will be fixed. It's the perfect offense for him.
Not exactly saying that Johnson should be drafted 3rd overall. If someone had said this I likely would have asked for further explanation.
Yeah I can understand that I guess (and I'd avoid him in the first as well, despite being a fan) - but at the same time, I'm sure I can list many counterexamples where a guy's strong finish was a sign of things to come the following year (Bell, Ingram, Foster, etc,).Quasimoto said:
I agree. With Anderson, you had a new coaching staff that had no prior commitment to Anderson. Sure Anderson didn't do much himself, but it's not like he had the job to himself from the get-go this year. In a similar manner, Hill always had the threat of RBBC with a talented guy in Gio, with the latter starting out hot and earning some meaningful carries.
Betting on a player to fail is the easy way out, since the majority of un-proven palyers will not excel at the highest level. You'll be right more often than wrong.
I would have drafted him 1.03 and I thought I had stated that last summer but maybe it was another forum.
The bolded blows my mind given that he only started a few games and was basically a backup/role player all year.
Long-time Raider fan and big fan of Cooper. I think Cooper develops into a solid WR1 next season. This season was cut short with the foot injury that he tried to play through. That being said, I would rather take a chance on Johnson. 3-down RBs are very difficult to find. You almost have to take a chance on him if it is an option You can replace Cooper with another WR. In today's passing NFL, lots of WRs put up good numbers.
You may be right. If nearly everything remains unchanged, then Johnson is a good bet to have a great year. If there are significant and unforeseen changes, then all bets are off. It's all about continuity.
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I appreciate the work you put into that. I have been drafting WR/WR a lot the last 3-4 years when I'm picking late in the first round. One thing you have to consider is this approach hasn't been the standard approach so even last year if you did this you could have come away with a Brown/Beckham in the first two rounds. Now has we move forward you are going to see those WR gone in the first round and you won't be able to get the same level of WR in the second. So there might be value in drafting a different way. I still probably will draft WR/WR but it's been very successful for me now for years. I don't draft a RB at all until the 5th or 6th round. Then I just kill the WW every year. I have ended up with RB like Forsett, David Johnson, Doug Martin, Spencer Ware, Hightower....... a couple of those names weren't even drafted this year and DJ was dropped in a couple of my league midseason. Then you head into the payoffs with two top 5 WR, a Stud QB, a stud TE, and the one or two of the hottest RB in the league. I haven't won every league but I've won a few and it's working very well for me.
IIRC, it wasnt very much. And Ellington didn't look very good. I can't imagine they'd stray away from DJ though barring injury. He has to have won the lead back role for sure. They'll probably add depth next year because Ellington is definitely expendable at this point.ahartig said:
Every day you post a link to some "expert". Just because a guy can write English doesn't mean they know anything.
Over Levon bell and some others? I think it will be hard to actually pull the trigger on that one. I love David Johnson but I can see the mind think of the other side of that coin. I can actually see some people putting DJ in that top tier but seeing a difference between him and bell and those 2-3 guys and placing DJ in a lump with Peterson, Dion Lewis and some others.
Yeah I'd draft him in front of Bell coming off his second knee injury in 2 years. They have very similar usage and both are on great offenses. DJ is a proven commodity now in my eyes.
