RB David Johnson, Retired (2 Viewers)

[ATB]

If only the RB position wasn't the easiest postion to just step into and produce.

You got a ####ty attitude. Which is funny because most of what you're saying is either flat-out wrong or turns out to be wrong. 

RB isn't easy to step into and produce, true... unless you're re-signed by the team that just cut you and you're still in game shape... know the playbook... and have succeeded in that team's system just 2 short years ago...

 

[Weebs210]

You got a ####ty attitude. Which is funny because most of what you're saying is either flat-out wrong or turns out to be wrong. 

RB isn't easy to step into and produce, true... unless you're re-signed by the team that just cut you and you're still in game shape... know the playbook... and have succeeded in that team's system just 2 short years ago...

Please link.

 

[ATB]

Please link.

I mean you just called me wrong like 10 posts ago and then flipped and admitted you were wrong...

 

[Weebs210]

I mean you just called me wrong like 10 posts ago and then flipped and admitted you were wrong...

Until we see the contract details no one is right. I'll bump this when it's shown that CJ signed for a cheap contract, don't worry.

 

[Shutout]

This is 100% speculation but why was jammal Charles held out of practice today without any injury? Trade?  Who needs a RB?  Just saying....

 

[ATB]

Until we see the contract details no one is right. I'll bump this when it's shown that CJ signed for a cheap contract, don't worry.

Good to know. Either way, you were likely wrong about the signing price (and definitely wrong in trusting an unverified source), you forgot CJ2K has succeeded in the Cards system and has not been out of football for very long at all, and you didn't realize Williams is still being used for special teams. 

 

[ATB]

This is 100% speculation but why was jammal Charles held out of practice today without any injury? Trade?  Who needs a RB?  Just saying....

Seen any official speculation? That would be interesting. 

 

[Weebs210]

Good to know. Either way, you were likely wrong about the signing price (and definitely wrong in trusting an unverified source), you forgot CJ2K has succeeded in the Cards system and has not been out of football for very long at all, and you didn't realize Williams is still being used for special teams. 

 

[socrates]

This is 100% speculation but why was jammal Charles held out of practice today without any injury? Trade?  Who needs a RB?  Just saying....

The Broncos will manage Jamaal Charles' practice time all season.  I doubt it means anything.

 

[Shutout]

The Broncos will manage Jamaal Charles' practice time all season.  I doubt it means anything.

Yeah, that makes sense.  

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I seriously doubt he came cheap. Whatever he was asking for that made the Cards decline to keep him was likely increased seeing as they were the party in need after DJ's abrupt injury. 

Money probably had something to do with it.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You think a guy that was on a cheap contract and cut without anyone picking him up is now demanding a hefty price?

Out of curiosity what was the $ difference between Johnson and Penny? I'm not sure why people think GMs don't care about a couple hundred thousand dollars, they do. Considering DJ was the premium no. 1 back, spending a couple hundred thousand more on CJ who was basically just an emergency option seems pointless. - eta - Fwiw AZ spent ~850K on CJ, ~495K on Penny.

 

[ldizzle]

Droppable in redraft?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Droppable in redraft?

Not really.

I have a 2 redrafts one with EElliot and one with LBell and tempted to make an offer on DJ in both for the playoffs. And I have great RBs in both.

I would at least throw him out there on a fishing hook.

 

[FGITLOTR]

Not really.

I have a 2 redrafts one with EElliot and one with LBell and tempted to make an offer on DJ in both for the playoffs. And I have great RBs in both.

I would at least throw him out there on a fishing hook.

Arians said a return between Thanksgiving and Christmas. I think he's a hold as well, but the Cards have to stay competitive or there is no reason to bring him back. 

Others agree? 

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Arians said a return between Thanksgiving and Christmas. I think he's a hold as well, but the Cards have to stay competitive or there is no reason to bring him back. 

Others agree? 

You shut down a player totally for multiple weeks when he is fully healthy and you get eliminated?  And DJ would probably insist on playing if he is 100% for several weeks.

At least I don't think Ive ever seen it work like that.

 

[Weebs210]

You shut down a player totally for multiple weeks when he is fully healthy and you get eliminated?  And DJ would probably insist on playing if he is 100% for several weeks.

At least I don't think Ive ever seen it work like that.

The franchise player? Maybe not shut him down but you wait until he is 110% if you are out of contention.

 

[VaTerp]

Chris Johnson's ability as three-down back will keep him on field

@joshweinfuss you seem to be the only one saying CJ2K will have more carries than Williams. Why do you think that?

— Hoppy By Nature (@BobbyCristo) September 13, 2017

TEMPE, Ariz. -- Before I go into my answer, one thing needs to be stipulated: I believe the Arizona Cardinals will go with a running back by committee without David Johnson.

With that said, I think it’ll come down to who can produce over the course of a game and, in my opinion, that will be Chris Johnson. Kerwynn Williams is a good speed back. He’ll be good on first and second down. But Johnson is a pounder. He’s a three-down back who will chip away at a first down and get three, four, five yards a carry. He’s also a running back who thrives on rhythm. He’ll get into a groove during a drive. But he won’t be as productive if he’s only on the field for specific downs, whereas the other running backs could be.

Johnson is 31, but as long as he can keep his hands on the ball, he could average about 75 yards a game. But the Cards’ running back room is diverse, which each back owning a specific trait that makes them valuable to the offense. Williams can stretch plays to the outside and sneak behind the offensive line. Andre Ellington is the best receiving running back currently in the room, so the Cards can still run some of the same passing plays with Ellington that they would have run with Johnson. Eli Penny is a big, bruising back who can block as a fullback or pick up tough yards in short-yardage situations. And D.J. Foster is a running back who can do a little bit of everything.

But Johnson’s experience will shine during the next few weeks. I think he’ll establish himself as the main running back option sooner rather than later.

As a DJ owner in a redraft with really deep rosters I picked up CJ b/c Williams wasnt available.  I think its a long shot that CJ has value this year but he was leading the league in rushing before he got hurt in 2015 and knows the system.

The above from the Cards ESPN beat writer gave me some confidence then I realized this same guy wrote in June of 2016, when EVERYONE knew DJ was going to be the feature RB in 2016, that CJ was still the starter.  So he obviously has hitched his wagon to the former Titan star and everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.

That said, in regard to the pounder comment that others are ridiculing, I don't think its inaccurate.  CJ hasn't had the elite speed that made him special for several seasons now.  He really transformed his game and the way he runs similar to how Portis became more of a grinder and pounder under Joe Gibbs and was no longer the type of speed back he was in his first few seasons.  He knows how to run the ball in the NFL and take the 2, 3 yard gains that are there.  That has value and is what I think the beat writer was saying.

At the end of the day, those of us DJ owners who can afford to hold him in redraft know we are not getting anything close to his value with any of the RBs left on the Cardinals roster.  We just have to hope to stay in contention and that he is able to come back and be productive around FF playoff time.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Out of curiosity what was the $ difference between Johnson and Penny? I'm not sure why people think GMs don't care about a couple hundred thousand dollars, they do. Considering DJ was the premium no. 1 back, spending a couple hundred thousand more on CJ who was basically just an emergency option seems pointless. - eta - Fwiw AZ spent ~850K on CJ, ~495K on Penny.

I don't think they care that much in context. I think Arians would prefer a steady veteran in the rotation.

For the record in the two dynasty leagues where I owned David Johnson I was scooped on Kerywnn Williams so I settled for Chris Johnson. I still think Williams gets first crack but wouldn't rule out Johnson working his way in - not that I expect either to even come close to replacing DJ.

 

[ldizzle]

Last time I checked Chris Johnson wore down at the end of the season 2 years ago. He's now 31. I just don't see him being productive. Ellington always seems to get dinged up and will be on the field for obvious passing plays. 

The line sucked but as the starter, Williams should get 12-15+ touches a game. Good enough flex for me, especially if Carson can get out of his funk

 

[socrates]

This has RBBC written all over it.  Kerwynn Williams will be the first back out of the gate, but I see a Saints-like split here.

Williams will get the early down work for now, but if he struggles, look for Chris Johnson to take an increased volume of those touches.  It concerns me that the Cards reportedly plan for Williams to continue returning kicks and punts.  Ellington will see work primarily on passing downs, giving him some increased PPR value, but I don't know that Arians trusts Ellington to endure the rigors of more than just part time receiving duty, and deservedly so.  Penny may get some work in short-yardage situations, but he could earn a larger role.  DJ Foster could fill the Ellington role if Ellington suffers an injury.

If you have an available roster spot, you might grab a piece of this backfield and wait for it to shake out, but I would not invest too heavily.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Steve Keim: David Johnson could return earlier than thought  

 

[iamkoza]

Steve Keim: David Johnson could return earlier than thought  

he're the text from that:

Initially, the Cardinals assumed running back David Johnson might not be able to return from a season-opening wrist injury until possibly Christmas.

Imagine how the team would feel if Johnson is able to play again shortly after Halloween.

By NFL rules, the soonest Johnson can return is Nov. 9 vs. Seattle. 

General Manager Steve Keim said Monday that he wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if the third-year pro recovers faster than expected following surgery to repair a dislocation and ligament damage in his left wrist, which is now in a cast.

BICKLEY: Cardinals won't apologize for ugly win over Colts

During his weekly radio appearance with Arizona Sports 98.7-FM, Keim said he visited with Johnson recently and that he thinks Johnson might be back a lot sooner than the two to three months it was originally thought he would be sidelined.

“My conversation with David was you can’t listen to what everybody says about the length of time you’re going to miss because nobody can forecast that, especially when you’re a genetic freak like him,” Keim said.

“We all heal differently, and I wouldn’t be surprised if David heals faster than most when it comes to that injury.”

basically rah rah BS with no actual medical information

 

[TheDirtyWord]

he're the text from that:

basically rah rah BS with no actual medical information

Yep...but if you follow David Chao M.D on twitter, he diagnostically feels like 8-10 weeks is very realistic.

 

[rickyg]

Perfect opportunity for DJ owners to sell Mortimer sell!!

 

[Bayhawks]

Yep...but if you follow David Chao M.D on twitter, he diagnostically feels like 8-10 weeks is very realistic.

Definitely heard the name, but don't follow (don't do the twitter).  Any chance you have a link?  1-1, but the 1 win was a low-scoring squeaker.  Keeper league where I could get a haul in return for DJ, but if he might be back in early November, not sure I'd trade him away.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Definitely heard the name, but don't follow (don't do the twitter).  Any chance you have a link?  1-1, but the 1 win was a low-scoring squeaker.  Keeper league where I could get a haul in return for DJ, but if he might be back in early November, not sure I'd trade him away.

In regard to the article posted that I linked - his response was:

Expect #DavidJohnson to return soon after 8 wks with splint. Will easily beat Christmas return.

David Johnson prognosis

I've found this guy to be invaluable.  Can almost diagnose injuries by watching video.  Not 100% right...but very solid.

 

[zamboni]

Sucks for our teams, but the good thing for DJ is that he gets to spend a lot more quality time with his kid(s):

https://twitter.com/DavidJohnson31/status/909424617479012357/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.12news.com%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fcardinals%2Fdavid-johnson-shares-post-surgery-photos-on-social-media%2F475667840

 

[zed2283]

Wow, Chris Johnson sucks.  I guess I can drop him now?

 

[flapgreen]

Sucks for our teams, but the good thing for DJ is that he gets to spend a lot more quality time with his kid(s):

https://twitter.com/DavidJohnson31/status/909424617479012357/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.12news.com%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fcardinals%2Fdavid-johnson-shares-post-surgery-photos-on-social-media%2F475667840

Does he think he's Derrick Rose or something? 

 

[zamboni]

Wow, Chris Johnson sucks.  I guess I can drop him now?

I am giving him one more week. Not sure if it was a function of the Dallas D overpowering the Cards OL, or CJ's lack of burst. One thing for sure though is that Ellington will be heavily involved to limit any possible upside for CJ.

 

[packer_junkie]

Chao saw a much softer cast than he expected on DJ last night and felt like that was a really good sign for a possible early return (He thinks week 11 is realistic)....

 

[zamboni]

Chao saw a much softer cast than he expected on DJ last night and felt like that was a really good sign for a possible early return (He thinks week 11 is realistic)....

Just have to hope that the Cardinals are not hopelessly out of the playoff picture by then, which would lessen the need to bring DJ back this year.

 

[Scooby1974]

DJ is a FA in an 8 team league I am in with 7 bench slots....the league is with friends, so not serious. Am I nuts to not pick him up and juggle 6 bench spots for a few weeks?

 

[packer_junkie]

DJ is a FA in an 8 team league I am in with 7 bench slots....the league is with friends, so not serious. Am I nuts to not pick him up and juggle 6 bench spots for a few weeks?

The fact that he is on the FA wire is a joke. Name who you would be dropping for him? Some WR or RB 5? A backup qb? 

 

[Scooby1974]

The fact that he is on the FA wire is a joke. Name who you would be dropping for him? Some WR or RB 5? A backup qb? 

The teams are stacked and there are some clueless owners, it's for fun so keep that in mind... Hilton, Crabtree, Chiefs's D, Mariota, Doug Martin, Cobb.....

If he could be back in 4-6 weeks I'm sure I could juggle him taking up a bench spot. It is a money league, albeit only $10/person....it's still cash.

 

[efactor]

I grabbed him in a 14 team, short bench league.  Surprised he was dropped, but IMO, the ultimate lottery ticket for the playoffs if he comes back.  Can't imagine a better player to take up a bench spot for, even in small bench leagues, especially if you are confident you will be a playoff team. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just have to hope that the Cardinals are not hopelessly out of the playoff picture by then, which would lessen the need to bring DJ back this year.

The NFL does not work that way. If he's healthy enough to play, they will bring him back - especially since this was an arm injury.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He was dropped this week in my IDP league.

unfortunately I've got the #1 WW priority. 

To claim him, i'd need to burn my #1 priority for a 10-week boat anchor.

tough call. Visions of having him weeks 13-LCG dance in my brain...

 

[Scooby1974]

He was dropped this week in my IDP league.

unfortunately I've got the #1 WW priority. 

To claim him, i'd need to burn my #1 priority for a 10-week boat anchor.

tough call. Visions of having him weeks 13-LCG dance in my brain...

This is exactly it....he is 93% owned in ESPN...but has been out 3 weeks now and if he could be back in 8-10 we are looking at just 5-7 more weeks from here.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is exactly it....he is 93% owned in ESPN...but has been out 3 weeks now and if he could be back in 8-10 we are looking at just 5-7 more weeks from here.

The timeline/target date I saw yesterday was a Week 13 return. 

 

[zamboni]

The NFL does not work that way. If he's healthy enough to play, they will bring him back - especially since this was an arm injury.

I used to believe that, but in recent years it seems like more guys are not rushed back for that very reason.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I put in the claim.

Gotta spend my #1 priority on something and it just doesn't get better than a lotto ticket of DJ at Flex in the FFB playoffs.  

I don't think they'll shut him down - he's gonna want to play, IMO. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I used to believe that, but in recent years it seems like more guys are not rushed back for that very reason.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but like who?

 

[zamboni]

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but like who?

Honestly, I'd have to research and don't have the time. But I do think that if it's December when DJ is ready and the Cards are hopelessly out of it, I could see them not risking him for next year. They had a big scare on his last carry last year.

 

[packer_junkie]

A guy in my league just offered me Wilson & Fitzgerald for my DJ-- I took it. 

 

[simey]

Honestly, I'd have to research and don't have the time. But I do think that if it's December when DJ is ready and the Cards are hopelessly out of it, I could see them not risking him for next year. They had a big scare on his last carry last year.

Rivera kept Luke Kuechly out the last three games of the season last year. Luke was cleared to play, but the Panthers weren't making the playoffs and Rivera just didn't think it was worth risking another concussion.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Rivera kept Luke Kuechly out the last three games of the season last year. Luke was cleared to play, but the Panthers weren't making the playoffs and Rivera just didn't think it was worth risking another concussion.

Thanks for an example - while those circumstances are quite a bit different its still relevant to the discussion.

 

[tkrull]

Didn't AJ Green get shutdown early last year?

 

[simey]

Didn't AJ Green get shutdown early last year?

Yes. He wanted to return, but they shut him down since they weren't going to make a postseason run. 

I do hope David Johnson comes back, cause I have him the subscriber contest.    I doubt I make it far enough even if he does return, but there is always hope!  I think he will come back and play if the Cardinals are still in the race. Right now the NFC West is up for grabs.