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I have Johnson in two leagues (strangely enough I'm 6-0 and 5-1 in those two) and I do not have much concerns about AP. Even if last week was a true reflection of what he still is, Johnson is just so much better at this point. I guess losing some volume would hurt but the joy of just getting him back would over-ride any concerns.Hot Sauce Guy said:
It's possible, but why don't you just wait and see what happens. If you've held onto DJ up until this point, waiting another four week or so probably doesn't hurt.
Redraft I guess I can see it if the team trading DJ needs immediate production to make the playoffs. But it seems like a move handing the other team the trophy.
So, what's your source for this "stuff you're saying?" Because your belief that DJ won't lost out to Peterson in the future, but that he might lose out this year isn't any more accurate than the guy who said that the game flow last week shows that AP is who he thought.
I've got DJ in a keeper league; got him as a rookie for cheap, and can keep him for 2 more years (after 2017). His salary is 7% of the cap for the rest of his contract, while the other top guys are/will be around 35% of the cap, typically. Even the hot rookies from this year (Hunt, Fournette, Cook, Mixon, McCaffrey) are like 20%-25% of the cap. There are a couple cheaper top RBs (Ajayi, Howard, etc) than DJ, but he is, by far, the biggest value in that league.jrwall said:
That Rams game was a disaster. What would Johnson even be coming back to? He's eligible to come back Week 10, but that feels like a pipe dream with no pressure to reach the playoffs, Arians saying this is his last season, backup QB(s)...mquinnjr said:
Disagree. If they lose to SF after the bye there is little to no chance he will play this year. Doubt they beat Seattle or Houston after that game but they could be 4-6 with DJ back for his first game if they beat SF. If they are 3-7 with Jac/LA/Ten staring at them they will shut him down. No reason to play him.
If this was a knee or concussion related issue, I would agree. I don’t see the risk of him re-injuring his wrist being high so his injury risk is similar to every other player and maybe less because he will be fresh by week 12.
If he’s healthy...why would he not play and not be asked to do the job he’s paid to do?
I'm in agreement. At some point Zeke is going to serve his suspension; it's not a matter of if but when. DJ's injury wasn't to his lower body, so there's little to worry about once he returns. Would you rather have a healthy DJ with two years left or Zeke staring at a six-game suspension? I'd prefer the former. Making a run at the championship means taking risks, but I wouldn't mortgage my future with a stud for a back who won't be around the help next season for a chunk (assuming he gets cleared to play the rest of the season). Just my two cents.
Because he could pick up an injury that might have been avoided in a lost season. Assuming Palmer, Fitz and Arians are done after this season, the Cardinals will be in rebuilding mode in 2018. Might as well have your cornerstone fully healthy for camp.
I think organizationally (and personally to Johnson) that would not be a platform by which to build trust within the rest of the team. Also, Arians just came out and said he's not retiring. Fitz has not committed to this being his last year. To me, it would be incredibly disrespectful to ask Fitz (greatest player in franchise history) to put his body on the line while allowing a healthy Johnson to rest.
Huh? Where did I say that? What I SAID was that getting his wrist to 100 percent would be the prudent choice if Arizona is out of contention. It's not like he would be coming back at full health for Week 12. He needs to find a splint that works, which means he needs some sort of protection for the wrist.
What you actually SAID that he could risk an injury in a lost season by coming back this year. Then you went on to say the Cardinals would be in full rebuild mode in 2018. The connection the other poster made was if it's logical to sit a healthy DJ out this year because it's a "lost season," why doesn't that logic apply to what you have labeled a rebuilding (i.e.-"lost") season in 2018. If it's logical (according to you) for them to sit a healthy DJ this year, that logic should also apply to next year (since you've already conceded it's a lost season, as well).
I said '18 could be a rebuilding year. When has a team ever sat a fully healthy player for a full season? That's utter nonsense. What I said is that it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to see the Cardinals sit DJ until his wrist is fully healed, instead of trotting them out there and running the risk of aggravating it or suffering another injury in the midst of a season that's already been determined. And if the wrist is 100-percent healed, why would he need a splint?
1) When has a team ever sat a fully healthy player for a third of the season? That’s utter nonsense. Either you apply the logic equally, or people will question your hypocrisy.
I want you to be right. I love watching him play but this team's season is probably over and they will know it before he returns. So the Cards may be weighing if they want to subject him to injury late. Like, what if he fears an ACL in week 16? Pretty much sinks next year also. But maybe they don't see it like that.
That sounds like a man that's been told if there's nothing on the line for us, you may not be playing anytime soon.
As much as everyone wants him to play (myself included), I don't think it's his call. Will most likely come down to staff and management decisions.
This is false and is every time someone says this with an injured player. Once a medical staff deems him healthy they can't just hold him out because the team has nothing to play for. Johnson or any player can file a grievance and would win easily. Do you think the Cardinals want to alienate their best player? These guys want to play.
It's not the same thing and you know it. I expect more from you. Everyone knows there is always a risk witeach snap but there is a business decision to be made here and when you have fitz on the tail end, Carson at a crossroads, I just don't think they put DJ out there with a Target on his back if they are obviously not going to make the playoffs. It might be different if they were fully staffed and had a chance but everyone knows he will be subject to massively loaded boxes and hits if heisoutthere without Palmer. Nobody is going to respect that passing game. We all still remember how horrid they were without Palmer. Nobody is doing that for a team that is eliminated and probably just going through the motions.
I certainly hope not. We'll see what happens in a month or so. Not sure what rehab time is for his injury.
Did somebody hijack your account? You usually have good stuff. You sure you're not heavily biased on this for some reason? Players get held out all the time and when asked they always say "sure,I want to play,ay but I have to listen to the coaches and docs and do what's best Interestfor the team".
Lol, no it isn't. ACL injuries are non contact as much as contact. You can't hold a healthy player out, if he wants to play, just because they can't make the playoffs, especially a high profile one.
I guess it's possible to hold him out in a lost season when you consider what happened on his last carry of 2016. Narrowly escaped a bad knee injury that could have killed 2017 rather than the wrist injury that did him in.
Lol, totally different if they are sitting one game, or they aren't medically cleared. If he is cleared they can't hold him out if he wants to play. How would they justify it to the players union or the player himself?
Or the fans that pay money to see these guys play. Unless he's not cleared until week 17, anything before and he's playing.
If Luck is ready to play week 15, do you think the Colts bring him back then or sit him and wait until next year?
Luck's injury is very different because it IS an issue that has the potential to linger for years (as it already has) or be re-injured a la the "shaky knee injury" that I had mentioned. That said, I still think they would play him if he's cleared in week 15.
That's fair. As a Cardinals' fan and a DJ owner in dynasty, I hope they shut him down. But I really have no idea what they are going to do.
If he was medically cleared and eligible to return from IR and the coaches wouldn't do it, he could easily file a grievance and win. I don't know why the Cardinals would do that. Alienate your beat player, set a bad example for future players, and current players.
We will see what happens but given the three likely outcomes if he comes back to a team with no playoff hopes (1. Plays and does well, doesn't change they miss playoffs, 2.plays and injures himself late in season,3. Does not play), I just don't see the business decision for playing him.
I agree with your concept, but it is isn't their choice if he wants to play and is deemed fully healthy. It is totally up to Johnson because he could file a grievance and what can the Cardinals say? He isn't one of our best 46 players? or they activate him and never let him touch the field? That won't go over well, now your best player is going to want to be traded, and all your other players are going to be pissed because you sent them into games without their best player while he was healthy, and those players will also be thinking what if that is me next year? No one will want to play for them. It is a dumb way to approach it for the Cardinals, playing for next year when Johnson and other players won't want to play for you. It is saving pennies, while burning dollars.
