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RB David Johnson, Retired (1 Viewer)

Coach is calling it a game time decision and that if they played today he wouldn't have suited. Hmmmmm.
Rotoworld:

Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury said David Johnson (ankle) is a game-time decision for Week 7 against the Giants.

Kingsbury noted that if the game were today Johnson would not have played. Johnson was able to get in limited work at practice this week, and he remains hopeful that he'll be able to play in the great matchup against the Giants. We should get word on how he's progressing on Saturday night or Sunday morning, but Chase Edmonds is an absolute must-own in fantasy in the meantime. If Johnson is scratched, Edmonds would be a fringe RB1. Christian Kirk has also been deemed a game-time decision.

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Chase Edmonds

SOURCE: Darren Urban on Twitter

Oct 18, 2019, 3:46 PM ET

 
Between Devon Singleterry, Latavius Murray, and now Chase Edmunds, I suddenly have an embarrassment of riches at running back to pair with Chris Carson.

Thinking Edmonds might even be a better player than Murray against the Bears D if David Johnson sits

thinking Edmonds might even be a better play then Murray against the Bears D if David Johnson sets.

edmonds has looked fantastic so far.

 
Between Devon Singleterry, Latavius Murray, and now Chase Edmunds, I suddenly have an embarrassment of riches at running back to pair with Chris Carson.

Thinking Edmonds might even be a better player than Murray against the Bears D if David Johnson sits

thinking Edmonds might even be a better play then Murray against the Bears D if David Johnson sets.

edmonds has looked fantastic so far.
If no DJ I would play Edmonds over Murray

 
LOL.  How about 2 of Murray, Edmonds, Henderson, Gurley paired with Carson to bail me out of Mahomes.  Please no one provide advice as this is not a solicitation.  Just a hilariously difficult situation.

Anyhow, my guess is DJ plays.

 
3rd string RB DJ Foster is out with a hammy, AZ has not activated another RB yet.

Sounds like DJ is fine and Cliff may be exaggerating a bit.

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
Between Devon Singleterry, Latavius Murray, and now Chase Edmunds, I suddenly have an embarrassment of riches at running back to pair with Chris Carson.
I’m sorry, but this made me chuckle. 

Unless what “embarrassment of riches” means has changed, in which case I apologize for getting a laugh out of that.

 
ahartig said:
3rd string RB DJ Foster is out with a hammy, AZ has not activated another RB yet.

Sounds like DJ is fine and Cliff may be exaggerating a bit.
^^^^^ This

ARI is so concerned about DJ's week 7 status, they have decided to enter week 7 with only 1 active RB.  Make sense?

 
I’m sorry, but this made me chuckle. 

Unless what “embarrassment of riches” means has changed, in which case I apologize for getting a laugh out of that.
Potentially 3 starting running backs behind Chris Carson & David Montgomery? 

ask the Kamara owners in my leagues if they wish they had those guys. 👍🏼

 
^^^^^ This

ARI is so concerned about DJ's week 7 status, they have decided to enter week 7 with only 1 active RB.  Make sense?
Chase Edmonds has looked really good. It is possible they call DJ the nominal starter yet Edmonds gets most of the work. 

he’s already been eating into DJs touches & receptions. 

its possible that DJ starts & doesn’t do much. It’s possible it’s a 50-50 split, and it’s also possible that Johnson starts, aggravates his ankle and leaves. 

if Edmonds needs a breather they go 5-wide.

it’s also possible that the cards pick up a RB today or tomorrow, no? 

I’m just sayin - DJs been banged up for 2 weeks with several injuries (back, ankle) - I wouldn’t breathe easy if I were a DJ owner just yet. 

 
Chase Edmonds has looked really good. It is possible they call DJ the nominal starter yet Edmonds gets most of the work.  While I agree Edmonds has looked excellent, the fact is DJ hasn't decreased his workload.  For the last 4 weeks, DJ has 17, 19, 20, and 18 touches, while Edmonds has 4, 6, 11, and 7.  The only close snap count game was week 2, where DJ had 34 and Edmonds had 23.

he’s already been eating into DJs touches & receptions.  Perhaps ARI is heating up and Edmonds is becoming fantasy relevant, but it's not at DJ's expense.  From weeks 1-3 when DJ ruled the touches 49 to 8, DJ was RB8 (52.6 FP).  From weeks 4-6 when the touches were closer at 57 to 24, DJ was RB5 (68.7 FP).  Also, DJ's last 3 weeks have been very consistent for snaps (54, 51, 52).

its possible that DJ starts & doesn’t do much. It’s possible it’s a 50-50 split, and it’s also possible that Johnson starts, aggravates his ankle and leaves.  You are just predicting injury here.  Last week DJ was supposed to have a tight back, yet he put up his best fantasy game of the year.  That was a helluva catch  as he curled around the defender in the end zone.  As for a 50/50 split, it hasn't been close in the first 6 games.  I could however, see a scenario where they lean on Edmonds if they are whaling on the Giants.

if Edmonds needs a breather they go 5-wide.  I haven't checked, but when was the last time a team started a game with only 1 active RB?

it’s also possible that the cards pick up a RB today or tomorrow, no?  Kickoff is less than 27 hours away.  Not impossible, but very unlikely to sign a guy and have him in uniform in New York ready to go.  I live in Connecticut, and could get to the stadium in 2 hours if they need me.

I’m just sayin - DJs been banged up for 2 weeks with several injuries (back, ankle) - I wouldn’t breathe easy if I were a DJ owner just yet.  Me either.  I own DJ in the subscriber contest and could use a decent score, but I own Edmonds in my league (without DJ).  Edmonds will remain on my bench if DJ is active, but will certainly start him if DJ sits.  The matchup is too tasty, and Edmonds has impressed thus far.
I would be shocked if DJ is not active tomorrow, and would wonder why ARI did nothing to prepare for it.

 
I would be shocked if DJ is not active tomorrow, and would wonder why ARI did nothing to prepare for it.
You bolded so much of my post, why bold anything? :lol:  
 

I agree, and don’t have any answers for you… I just know what I said. DJ is banged up, and has been for two weeks. Edmonds has seemingly been eating into his carries regardless, and getting many of the receptions.

as I said, it may be possible that they’re going to use DJ as the back up while Edmonds gets the bulk of the carries.

I have no idea why Arizona wouldn’t pick up another running back considering the third stringer is injured. Maybe that’s a good sign and maybe it’s not. Maybe it’s just a sign of a team that’s not prepared well. maybe they believe against the lowly Giants they don’t need more than one running back.

you would have to ask the coach those things.

 
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Based on the info we have right now. I'd have almost zero interest in starting Edmonds, unless Johnson is ruled out, which seems very unlikely. Maybe 85-15. I'd feel pretty confident in Johnson being a top-10 RB this week, and would consider him in DFS as he's still being treated like its 2018 and he's on the league's worst offense.

I will agree that Edmonds looks like a really good football player. He may even be a slightly better runner than Johnson, though Johnson crushes him as a pass catcher, and blocker. It has become, and should continue to be a 70-30 backfield.

 
You bolded so much of my post, why bold anything? :lol:  
 

I agree, and don’t have any answers for you… I just know what I said. DJ is banged up, and has been for two weeks. Edmonds has seemingly been eating into his carries regardless, and getting many of the receptions.

as I said, it may be possible that they’re going to use DJ as the back up while Edmonds gets the bulk of the carries.

I have no idea why Arizona wouldn’t pick up another running back considering the third stringer is injured. Maybe that’s a good sign and maybe it’s not. Maybe it’s just a sign of a team that’s not prepared well. maybe they believe against the lowly Giants they don’t need more than one running back.

you would have to ask the coach those things.
You actually think it’s realistic that they’re just not well prepared so much so that they forgot they only have one running back slated to play? Or that they actually think they’re good enough to go win a game with only one running back? Come on. If they don’t add a back DJ is 100% playing and they feel good about his health. I would think there’s a good chance they add a 3rd back regardless of DJ because most teams carry 3 backs on game day.

 
You actually think it’s realistic that they’re just not well prepared so much so that they forgot they only have one running back slated to play? Or that they actually think they’re good enough to go win a game with only one running back? Come on. If they don’t add a back DJ is 100% playing and they feel good about his health. I would think there’s a good chance they add a 3rd back regardless of DJ because most teams carry 3 backs on game day.
No, I think the most realistic scenario is that DJ gets the 1st rep & is the “starter” then Edmonds gets 80% of the work & DJ spells him.

thats IF Johnson is as banged up as it seems. 

i said that a couple times. 👍🏼 

 
You bolded so much of my post, why bold anything? :lol:  
 

I agree, and don’t have any answers for you… I just know what I said. DJ is banged up, and has been for two weeks. Edmonds has seemingly been eating into his carries regardless, and getting many of the receptions.  As I said, Edmonds has not been eating into DJ's carries or receptions - he has been getting his own.  I would agree if DJ's touches were going down, but they aren't.  Saying Edmonds is eating into DJ's workload is like saying  Roland Harper ate into Walter Payton's in 1978.

as I said, it may be possible that they’re going to use DJ as the back up while Edmonds gets the bulk of the carries.  DJ has doubled Edmonds carries in each of the last 2 games.  Week 4 was the only week DJ didn't didn't double him, and that was only by 1 (11 to 6).  Sure, it's possible Edmonds gets the bulk, but it hasn't happened in the last 2 weeks, when DJ was not 100%.  Edmonds hasn't gained on DJ - he has just expanded his own role - perhaps because Kirk has been out, or maybe because ARI has been getting better?

I have no idea why Arizona wouldn’t pick up another running back considering the third stringer is injured. Maybe that’s a good sign and maybe it’s not. Maybe it’s just a sign of a team that’s not prepared well. maybe they believe against the lowly Giants they don’t need more than one running back.  Come on, man.  You really think ARI is so dumb as to not prepare for DJ's possible inactive?

you would have to ask the coach those things.  I have asked, and he said DJ is just fine and dandy.
I didn't bold your post - I bolded my responses to your post   :D

 
No, I think the most realistic scenario is that DJ gets the 1st rep & is the “starter” then Edmonds gets 80% of the work & DJ spells him.

thats IF Johnson is as banged up as it seems. 

i said that a couple times. 👍🏼 
I didn't ask what you thought was most realistic, just whether or not you thought your scenario was actually realistic since you included it in your post as a potential rationale for the Az rb situation. Seemed really really out there to me that’s all. I’ll add that if Johnson really is banged up bad they likely would have had another back in during the week prepping for this game. Doubt we see a 80/20 split in favor of Edmunds. 

 
I didn't ask what you thought was most realistic, just whether or not you thought your scenario was actually realistic since you included it in your post as a potential rationale for the Az rb situation. Seemed really really out there to me that’s all. I’ll add that if Johnson really is banged up bad they likely would have had another back in during the week prepping for this game. Doubt we see a 80/20 split in favor of Edmunds. 
No, but it’s possible.  

no one really knows. There are reports that Edmonds might draw the start though (CBS Sportsline insider suggests this yesteday) and other reports calling Johnson a full on GTD after missing practice Friday.

i agree with you - it’s weird they haven’t brought in a RB. 

unless DJ is ruled out in which case Chase becomes a must-start. 

 
No, but it’s possible.  

no one really knows. There are reports that Edmonds might draw the start though (CBS Sportsline insider suggests this yesteday) and other reports calling Johnson a full on GTD after missing practice Friday.

i agree with you - it’s weird they haven’t brought in a RB. 

unless DJ is ruled out in which case Chase becomes a must-start. 
Here is yesterday's Rotoworld blurb...

Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury said David Johnson (ankle) is a game-time decision for Week 7 against the Giants.

Kingsbury noted that if the game were today Johnson would not have played. Johnson was able to get in limited work at practice this week, and he remains hopeful that he'll be able to play in the great matchup against the Giants. We should get word on how he's progressing on Saturday night or Sunday morning, but Chase Edmonds is an absolute must-own in fantasy in the meantime. If Johnson is scratched, Edmonds would be a fringe RB1. Christian Kirk has also been deemed a game-time decision.

And here is the day before yesterday...

David Johnson (ankle) returned to Cardinals practice on Thursday.

Even with the new injury, Johnson is ahead of where he was last week with his back. He will be out there for a gorgeous matchup with the Giants. Despite his continued underwhelming running, Johnson has kept himself in the high-end RB1 mix with his pass catching and goal-line opportunities. With only two scores on the ground, DJ is due for some positive regression in that department.

Mixed signals by Kingsbury?

 
Here is yesterday's Rotoworld blurb...

Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury said David Johnson (ankle) is a game-time decision for Week 7 against the Giants.

Kingsbury noted that if the game were today Johnson would not have played. Johnson was able to get in limited work at practice this week, and he remains hopeful that he'll be able to play in the great matchup against the Giants. We should get word on how he's progressing on Saturday night or Sunday morning, but Chase Edmonds is an absolute must-own in fantasy in the meantime. If Johnson is scratched, Edmonds would be a fringe RB1. Christian Kirk has also been deemed a game-time decision.

And here is the day before yesterday...

David Johnson (ankle) returned to Cardinals practice on Thursday.

Even with the new injury, Johnson is ahead of where he was last week with his back. He will be out there for a gorgeous matchup with the Giants. Despite his continued underwhelming running, Johnson has kept himself in the high-end RB1 mix with his pass catching and goal-line opportunities. With only two scores on the ground, DJ is due for some positive regression in that department.

Mixed signals by Kingsbury?
Yep - for sure. It’s a weird situation.

Friday downgrades are historically a terrible sign for a player’s availability.

but they didn’t sign anyone.

weird.

 
Here is yesterday's Rotoworld blurb...

Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury said David Johnson (ankle) is a game-time decision for Week 7 against the Giants.

Kingsbury noted that if the game were today Johnson would not have played. Johnson was able to get in limited work at practice this week, and he remains hopeful that he'll be able to play in the great matchup against the Giants. We should get word on how he's progressing on Saturday night or Sunday morning, but Chase Edmonds is an absolute must-own in fantasy in the meantime. If Johnson is scratched, Edmonds would be a fringe RB1. Christian Kirk has also been deemed a game-time decision.

And here is the day before yesterday...

David Johnson (ankle) returned to Cardinals practice on Thursday.

Even with the new injury, Johnson is ahead of where he was last week with his back. He will be out there for a gorgeous matchup with the Giants. Despite his continued underwhelming running, Johnson has kept himself in the high-end RB1 mix with his pass catching and goal-line opportunities. With only two scores on the ground, DJ is due for some positive regression in that department.

Mixed signals by Kingsbury?
Right, talk is talk. Actions (or lack of) speak way louder. That’s why not adding a 3rd back earlier in the week is a pretty big piece of information. Much bigger than the coaches quote IMO.

 
Let me just say, sure, DJ could suit up, have 1 carry, then have his back lock up on him, or maybe tweak his ankle.  But as it sits, Kingsbury plans on him suiting up, and unless ARI brings in another RB in the next 24 hours, no one will convince me otherwise.  He is not currently a game time decision - he is scheduled to play.

 
Here is yesterday's Rotoworld blurb...

Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury said David Johnson (ankle) is a game-time decision for Week 7 against the Giants.

Kingsbury noted that if the game were today Johnson would not have played. Johnson was able to get in limited work at practice this week, and he remains hopeful that he'll be able to play in the great matchup against the Giants. We should get word on how he's progressing on Saturday night or Sunday morning, but Chase Edmonds is an absolute must-own in fantasy in the meantime. If Johnson is scratched, Edmonds would be a fringe RB1. Christian Kirk has also been deemed a game-time decision.

And here is the day before yesterday...

David Johnson (ankle) returned to Cardinals practice on Thursday.

Even with the new injury, Johnson is ahead of where he was last week with his back. He will be out there for a gorgeous matchup with the Giants. Despite his continued underwhelming running, Johnson has kept himself in the high-end RB1 mix with his pass catching and goal-line opportunities. With only two scores on the ground, DJ is due for some positive regression in that department.

Mixed signals by Kingsbury?
What’s the exact source and quotes from Kingsbury on Johnson not playing if they were playing yesterday?
 

Because here’s the thing: Rotoworld is a really poor source of information IMO. They routinely take quotes or info out of context and use them to fit whatever narrative they want to spin for the moment. I don’t trust Rotoworld at all and when I see something from them I always try to find the original source to see what the truth is. Maybe their “blurb” nailed it here, but I’ve seen way way too many times where their blurbs were misleading at best to just trust that that’s the full story.

 
Another telling stat from last week - as banged up as DJ was supposed to be, Edmonds last touch of the night came only 3 minutes into the third quarter.  DJ played right to the end, caught the winning TD, and outsnapped Edmonds 52 to 20.

 
What’s the exact source and quotes from Kingsbury on Johnson not playing if they were playing yesterday?
 

Because here’s the thing: Rotoworld is a really poor source of information IMO. They routinely take quotes or info out of context and use them to fit whatever narrative they want to spin for the moment. I don’t trust Rotoworld at all and when I see something from them I always try to find the original source to see what the truth is. Maybe their “blurb” nailed it here, but I’ve seen way way too many times where their blurbs were misleading at best to just trust that that’s the full story.
Fully understandable.  Both blurbs came from Darren Urban's twitter, and here they are:

Kingsbury said RB David Johnson (ankle) is a game day decision. Added that if Cardinals had to play Friday, Johnson would not have played.

RB David Johnson returned to practice today. The only players not going at the outset of #AZCardinals work were DL Zach Allen, LB Ezekiel Turner and OL Brett Toth.

 
Was there a Friday downgrade? No practice Wednesday, limited Thursday, and I thought limited Friday as well.
Thought I’d read he missed practice Friday & that’s when coach said “if the game were today he’d be out”. 

they're playing the Giants so I’m not sure how much gamesmanship is needed there. 

to add concern for DJ owners, flying cross-country with a bad back isn’t always the most beneficial thing for a player either. 

 
Thought I’d read he missed practice Friday & that’s when coach said “if the game were today he’d be out”. 

they're playing the Giants so I’m not sure how much gamesmanship is needed there. 

to add concern for DJ owners, flying cross-country with a bad back isn’t always the most beneficial thing for a player either. 
These guys don't fly coach, wedged into seats like sardines.  Also, if you didn't know, DJ hates planes, and only flies B.A. Baracus style.

 
it’s also possible that the cards pick up a RB today or tomorrow, no?  Kickoff is less than 27 hours away.  Not impossible, but very unlikely to sign a guy and have him in uniform in New York ready to go.  I live in Connecticut, and could get to the stadium in 2 hours if they need me.
Latest Roto blurb:  "TheWinz" needs to be rostered everywhere.

 
Thought I’d read he missed practice Friday & that’s when coach said “if the game were today he’d be out”. 

they're playing the Giants so I’m not sure how much gamesmanship is needed there. 

to add concern for DJ owners, flying cross-country with a bad back isn’t always the most beneficial thing for a player either. 
I think he was limited again Friday, not out. I don’t know why you’d dismiss the Giants, they are at home and favored. I think you’re seeing things through very Edmunds-tinted shades.

 
Potentially 3 starting running backs behind Chris Carson & David Montgomery? 

ask the Kamara owners in my leagues if they wish they had those guys. 👍🏼
You’re really hanging your hat on DJ not playing and Singletary coming in off a month on the shelf and getting more work than Gore.  Also, Kamara has been less than productive with Bridgewater at the helm...so count me in the camp that a crappy Latavius against the Bears doesn’t inspire much confidence. 

I guess my take would be that potentially three starting RBs would be far from an embarrassment of riches, and that none of the three end up helping their owners win fantasy games this weekend.  If a Kamara owner is wishing they had these three guys, they’re pretty hard up for options IMO. Now if DJ (or Gore) sit, which seems unlikely, then you may have something.  But the same holds true for about 10 other backup RBs.

 
You’re really hanging your hat on DJ not playing and Singletary coming in off a month on the shelf and getting more work than Gore.  Also, Kamara has been less than productive with Bridgewater at the helm...so count me in the camp that a crappy Latavius against the Bears doesn’t inspire much confidence. 

I guess my take would be that potentially three starting RBs would be far from an embarrassment of riches, and that none of the three end up helping their owners win fantasy games this weekend.  If a Kamara owner is wishing they had these three guys, they’re pretty hard up for options IMO. Now if DJ (or Gore) sit, which seems unlikely, then you may have something.  But the same holds true for about 10 other backup RBs.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.  :shrug:

 
I think he was limited again Friday, not out. I don’t know why you’d dismiss the Giants, they are at home and favored. I think you’re seeing things through very Edmunds-tinted shades.
They’re a terrible defense. I’m not dismissing them. Just describing them. They play bad defense against the run & they’re worse against the pass. 

and as I’ve said - the only way I’m starting Edmonds is if DJ is out. I’ve got Carson, Singletary & Murray going. Only way Edmonds Cracks my lineup is DJ not playing.

my glasses are in no way “Edmonds” colored.

 
In the land of the blind the man with 1 eye is king.

I’d rather start Murray over Montgomery. 

so Murray is a high volume treasure. 
If Murray's 30 yard screen TD wasn't called back last week I think people's opinions might be different. He's looked explosive in limited action. There seems to be a lot of box score readers on here.

 
If Murray's 30 yard screen TD wasn't called back last week I think people's opinions might be different. He's looked explosive in limited action. There seems to be a lot of box score readers on here.
I don’t remember this. Who was the screen to?

Edit:   Nevermind.  Thought you were taking a lot Kyler Murray since were in the DJ thread. 

 
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If Murray's 30 yard screen TD wasn't called back last week I think people's opinions might be different. He's looked explosive in limited action. There seems to be a lot of box score readers on here.
Yep - I saw that play. He looked good & it didn’t look like the penalty impacted the run. Anyone getting 20 touches should be a valuable FF asset. 

even Singletary with ~15 should be considered flex-worthy based on touches, and his explosiveness adds a higher ceiling. 

seems short-sighted to overlook those players. 

 

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