RB David Montgomery, DET (1 Viewer)

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Monty has had exactly 1 1000 yard rushing season (2020) and 1 season with double digit touchdowns (also 2020) both when he was a featured back. Otherwise, he's been very pedestrian with 4.0ypc or less. He hasn't played on great teams, for sure, but expecting him to light it up for more than 10 TDs in Detroit is a stretch. I'd expect a 65/35 split with the nod to Gibbs, who will likely also be in on 3rd downs.

 

[bostonfred]

Monty has had exactly 1 1000 yard rushing season (2020) and 1 season with double digit touchdowns (also 2020) both when he was a featured back. Otherwise, he's been very pedestrian with 4.0ypc or less. He hasn't played on great teams, for sure, but expecting him to light it up for more than 10 TDs in Detroit is a stretch. I'd expect a 65/35 split with the nod to Gibbs, who will likely also be in on 3rd downs.

The same could be said for Jamaal Williams whose high water marks for rushing yards and touchdowns were 601 and 4 before last year's 1062 and 17 touchdowns in Detroit. I'm not especially high on Montgomery and have zero shares but the offensive line and run game coaching do seem a lot friendlier than what Montgomery has had so far in his career. I'll probably pick him up in a best ball or two this summer

 

[nysfl2]

Lions RB David Montgomery left OTAs with a leg injury.​

Montgomery was injured in position drills before being taken to the locker room. The newly-signed running back has a history of ankle and knee injuries, missing six games the last three seasons. Lions rookie Jahmyr Gibbs (ankle) also missed time at OTAs. Both should be on track for the start of the Lions' preseason.
SOURCE: detroitlions.com
May 27, 2023, 9:37 AM ET

It would be ironic if Montgomery had an injury plagued year after the way the Lions dealt with Swift.

Was never a fan of getting rid of Swift.

Swifts salary was very tolerable and the return was not good. Having Swift as insurance would not have been a bad thing for the team. For some reason he fell out of favor with management.

Some say he did not hit the correct holes. Well he had 99 carries for 548 yards last season. 5.5 a carry for hitting the wrong holes is not bad.

I'd bet that the Lions coaches were planning on playing him as little as possible next year, and didn't want a malcontent affecting team chemistry.

Plus, 3rd and 4th RBs on the team have to play special teams, and I can't imagine that he'd react well to be sent out on kick coverage.

 

[Da Guru]

Lions had 23 rushing tds last year. 22 are from guys no longer on the team. Even if you expect that number to be lower this year, there should still be a bunch left out there. Who's the most likely guy on the team this year to get the majority of those? The guy who weighs 199 or the guy who weighs 222?

Gibby is 5-9 and 199 soaking wet. I don`t see him pushing a pile and doubt they want him to get abused in short yardage situations.

Monty should be the goal line back like Williams was. Speed in space will be Gibbys role. Although I have zero data to back that up.

 

[menobrown]

Lions had 23 rushing tds last year. 22 are from guys no longer on the team. Even if you expect that number to be lower this year, there should still be a bunch left out there. Who's the most likely guy on the team this year to get the majority of those? The guy who weighs 199 or the guy who weighs 222?

Gibby is 5-9 and 199 soaking wet. I don`t see him pushing a pile and doubt they want him to get abused in short yardage situations.

Monty should be the goal line back like Williams was. Speed in space will be Gibbys role. Although I have zero data to back that up.

Makes sense, or he could be used like the Chiefs used McKinnon last year.

On a somewhat related note I read an article a few days ago by Mike Clay breaking down some rookie production. For the most part I thought his projections were really low for almost every rookie in every category. The exception, the one area I thought he was a little high, was he had Gibbs down for 7 rushing TD's.

 

[travdogg]

Lions had 23 rushing tds last year. 22 are from guys no longer on the team. Even if you expect that number to be lower this year, there should still be a bunch left out there. Who's the most likely guy on the team this year to get the majority of those? The guy who weighs 199 or the guy who weighs 222?

Gibby is 5-9 and 199 soaking wet. I don`t see him pushing a pile and doubt they want him to get abused in short yardage situations.

Monty should be the goal line back like Williams was. Speed in space will be Gibbys role. Although I have zero data to back that up.

Makes sense, or he could be used like the Chiefs used McKinnon last year.

On a somewhat related note I read an article a few days ago by Mike Clay breaking down some rookie production. For the most part I thought his projections were really low for almost every rookie in every category. The exception, the one area I thought he was a little high, was he had Gibbs down for 7 rushing TD's.

Big fan of Clay's work, but he's a very conservative projector, especially when it comes to rookies. Taht said, I think 7 rushing TD's sounds about right to me.

I've never really gotten the smaller RB should be pulled in GL situations, its kind of illogical, I think. In theory the holes close so much faster in that part of the field, that a guy who gets there super quickly is just as important as a guy who is more powerful.

Guys like Ekeler, CMC, A.Jones, and slightly bigger guys like Kamara and Dalvin have been very good in GL situations because of their quickness. They don't have to push piles or break tackles, they just have to cross the line before the defense gets there. Gibbs is smaller than those guys (though he could easily add 5-10 pounds like Ekeler has) but I think he'll be just fine.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Taht said, I think 7 rushing TD's sounds about right to me.

Yeah, I remember my 1st beer.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Lions had 23 rushing tds last year. 22 are from guys no longer on the team. Even if you expect that number to be lower this year, there should still be a bunch left out there. Who's the most likely guy on the team this year to get the majority of those? The guy who weighs 199 or the guy who weighs 222?

Gibby is 5-9 and 199 soaking wet. I don`t see him pushing a pile and doubt they want him to get abused in short yardage situations.

Monty should be the goal line back like Williams was. Speed in space will be Gibbys role. Although I have zero data to back that up.

Makes sense, or he could be used like the Chiefs used McKinnon last year.

On a somewhat related note I read an article a few days ago by Mike Clay breaking down some rookie production. For the most part I thought his projections were really low for almost every rookie in every category. The exception, the one area I thought he was a little high, was he had Gibbs down for 7 rushing TD's.

Man, this would be a great scenario. I'm already high on Goff, but him having a goal line receiving threat a la McKinnon would be amazing.

 

[Biabreakable]

Lions RB David Montgomery left OTAs with a leg injury.​

Montgomery was injured in position drills before being taken to the locker room. The newly-signed running back has a history of ankle and knee injuries, missing six games the last three seasons. Lions rookie Jahmyr Gibbs (ankle) also missed time at OTAs. Both should be on track for the start of the Lions' preseason.
SOURCE: detroitlions.com
May 27, 2023, 9:37 AM ET

It would be ironic if Montgomery had an injury plagued year after the way the Lions dealt with Swift.

Was never a fan of getting rid of Swift.

Swifts salary was very tolerable and the return was not good. Having Swift as insurance would not have been a bad thing for the team. For some reason he fell out of favor with management.

Some say he did not hit the correct holes. Well he had 99 carries for 548 yards last season. 5.5 a carry for hitting the wrong holes is not bad.

That's interesting. Maybe he was hitting the wrong holes? You would know better than me.

Most of what I heard the coach saying is that Swift needed to be tougher and be willing to play when hurt, or know the difference between pain and actually being injured.

I am guessing this had something to do with their decision, although there may be other reasons as well that I'm unaware of.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Underdog ADP 87.6 / RB 27
FantasyPros consensus ADP 87.5 / RB 28

Does anyone think they're going to change who they are?

Monty will get most of the 1st/2nd down snaps, GL carries, and be more involved in passing Jamaal was.

Gibbs will get a lot of work in between the 20s, and allegedly will be used often as a flanker/slot receiving option - the Swift role with a few more WR alignment snaps.

Gibbs is going off ADP 39.0-41.1 / RB 13-14 so mid 4th.

Montgomery is going 56-58 picks later?

Last year Swift finished RB16 (13.5 ppg), Williams RB19 (13.2)

I could see Gibbs outperforming D'Andre's production based on his receiving

Would be hard to project Montgomery getting 10 1-yard TDs a la Williams, but he also won't have 12-73-0 as a receiver.

IDK seems like Monty is a pretty good value / solid floor who would make a great RB3, and rn you can supposedly get him in the late 7th/early 8th round.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I see Monty as a rock solid FF RB2

 

[BobbyLayne]

I see Monty as a rock solid FF RB2

Yeah I called him RB3 bc in redraft roster construction that's his price atm. But if you took a big swing early and have 1-2 boom/bust hope that's a league winner picks early, then adding a guy with a solid floor later is ideal. I wouldn't call him a steady Eddie type - he'll be volatile W2W fantasy wise bc it's probably TD dependent - but he should see the bulk of the snaps and have a pretty solid volume share.

People who are dismissing him bc of his efficiency in Chicago probably don't realize how bad his OL was most of the time. He's a talented mid guy running behind an elite OL with a HC/OC committed to running the ball to set up the passing offense. Safer type of pick, good value at his current ADP bc everyone is falling for the annual he's just a weapon they'll line him up everywhere Gibbs hype. Maybe Jahmyr really is the next AK/CMC but until we see it...def a sure fire thing.

 

[zamboni]

I like Montgomery at his price tag and can see him getting even more touches than Jamaal Williams did last year. The big concern, of course, is the expected dropoff from Jamaal's way outsized TD totals. So much of it was circumstance when receivers would just be tackled at the one and Jamaal was there to capitalize.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I like Montgomery at his price tag and can see him getting even more touches than Jamaal Williams did last year. The big concern, of course, is the expected dropoff from Jamaal's way outsized TD totals. So much of it was circumstance when receivers would just be tackled at the one and Jamaal was there to capitalize.

I don’t think anyone drafting or trading for Monty is expecting 17 TDs.

10-ish seems doable.

All the hype over Gibbs, deservedly or not, has seemingly cast a big shadow over Montgomery. I think that’s a mistake by the FF community at large.

 

[travdogg]

Gibbs in round 3/4 and Monty in round 8 seems right to me.

 

[zamboni]

I like Montgomery at his price tag and can see him getting even more touches than Jamaal Williams did last year. The big concern, of course, is the expected dropoff from Jamaal's way outsized TD totals. So much of it was circumstance when receivers would just be tackled at the one and Jamaal was there to capitalize.

I don’t think anyone drafting or trading for Monty is expecting 17 TDs.

10-ish seems doable.

Agreed on the TDs. I do think, however, that many envision Montgomery sliding into Jamaal's old role, and that if the TDs drop even more, his value will plummet. Maybe not accounting for the fact that Monty is also a very capable pass catcher and may not leave the field nearly as much as Jamaal did.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I like Montgomery at his price tag and can see him getting even more touches than Jamaal Williams did last year. The big concern, of course, is the expected dropoff from Jamaal's way outsized TD totals. So much of it was circumstance when receivers would just be tackled at the one and Jamaal was there to capitalize.

I don’t think anyone drafting or trading for Monty is expecting 17 TDs.

10-ish seems doable.

Agreed on the TDs. I do think, however, that many envision Montgomery sliding into Jamaal's old role, and that if the TDs drop even more, his value will plummet. Maybe not accounting for the fact that Monty is also a very capable pass catcher and may not leave the field nearly as much as Jamaal did.

I see Gibbs playing a Deebo circa 2021 role at least part of the time. Spent a lot of time at OTAs and minicamp working with Antwaan Randle El and the WR group.

Also worth noting Gibbs inside gap runs at in college were insane - lot of his splash plays were blowing past the 1st/2nd level and outrunning the DBs. That was behind an average line at Ga Tech and middling ‘bama OL last year (not nearly as good as previous squads.)

Good chance this duo will see 500 touches. 400-425 RA, 80-100 receptions. 2568 YFS and 27 rrTDs last year, 82 rec, 497.8 PPR pts.

It’s a BIG pie in Detroit.

 

[zamboni]

I like Montgomery at his price tag and can see him getting even more touches than Jamaal Williams did last year. The big concern, of course, is the expected dropoff from Jamaal's way outsized TD totals. So much of it was circumstance when receivers would just be tackled at the one and Jamaal was there to capitalize.

I don’t think anyone drafting or trading for Monty is expecting 17 TDs.

10-ish seems doable.

Agreed on the TDs. I do think, however, that many envision Montgomery sliding into Jamaal's old role, and that if the TDs drop even more, his value will plummet. Maybe not accounting for the fact that Monty is also a very capable pass catcher and may not leave the field nearly as much as Jamaal did.

I see Gibbs playing a Deebo circa 2021 role at least part of the time. Spent a lot of time at OTAs and minicamp working with Antwaan Randle El and the WR group.

Also worth noting Gibbs inside gap runs at in college were insane - lot of his splash plays were blowing past the 1st/2nd level and outrunning the DBs. That was behind an average line at Ga Tech and middling ‘bama OL last year (not nearly as good as previous squads.)

Good chance this duo will see 500 touches. 400-425 RA, 80-100 receptions. 2568 YFS and 27 rrTDs last year, 82 rec, 497.8 PPR pts.

It’s a BIG pie in Detroit.

And now only two guys to share, unlike in previous years with Jackson and Reynolds also getting some annoying touches.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I like Montgomery at his price tag and can see him getting even more touches than Jamaal Williams did last year. The big concern, of course, is the expected dropoff from Jamaal's way outsized TD totals. So much of it was circumstance when receivers would just be tackled at the one and Jamaal was there to capitalize.

I don’t think anyone drafting or trading for Monty is expecting 17 TDs.

10-ish seems doable.

Agreed on the TDs. I do think, however, that many envision Montgomery sliding into Jamaal's old role, and that if the TDs drop even more, his value will plummet. Maybe not accounting for the fact that Monty is also a very capable pass catcher and may not leave the field nearly as much as Jamaal did.

I see Gibbs playing a Deebo circa 2021 role at least part of the time. Spent a lot of time at OTAs and minicamp working with Antwaan Randle El and the WR group.

Also worth noting Gibbs inside gap runs at in college were insane - lot of his splash plays were blowing past the 1st/2nd level and outrunning the DBs. That was behind an average line at Ga Tech and middling ‘bama OL last year (not nearly as good as previous squads.)

Good chance this duo will see 500 touches. 400-425 RA, 80-100 receptions. 2568 YFS and 27 rrTDs last year, 82 rec, 497.8 PPR pts.

It’s a BIG pie in Detroit.

And now only two guys to share, unlike in previous years with Jackson and Reynolds also getting some annoying touches.

Netflix might make the team again, they like him - but mostly as a 4-phase STer. Some weeks he’ll get 2-5 touches.

Guy to nab for insurance might be Mo Ibrahim (r UDFA MIN). I’m projecting they’ll once again keep 4 on the roster and dress 3. So if either Gibbs or Monty misses a week bc of a minor tweak, Netflix role stays the same. Mo I would be the next man up.

 

[Moonlight]

Gibbs in round 3/4 and Monty in round 8 seems right to me.

If I’m able to get him in the 8th round I’ll have a better than average chance of winning my league.
He will be the goal line back, as has been said he will be on the field more than Williams as he is a dual threat.
See him and Gibbs being on the field at the same time frequently.
Playing with a very good offensive line in a high powered offense he will score points.
Lions went after him because they saw him as an improvement and felt that their running game was inefficient. Lions are a running team and gave him a big contract. Very solid RB 2.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Lions were 13th in rushing attempts last year but 5th in RA by RBs (Goff rarely takes off or runs a sneak.)

Some other Detroit tendencies to ponder:

• 12th in pace, ToP and offensive plays run
• run/pass ratio: 12th highest %/21st highest
• 1st down personnel:
  • 11 personnel 56% 16th
  • 12 personnel 21% 21st
  • 13 personnel 5% 14th
  • 21 personnel 10% 10th
  • 22 personnel 1% 11th
  • other 4% 3rd
• 1st down formation:
  • shotgun 29% 29th
  • singleback 49% 4th
  • I-Formation 12% 9th
  • Empty 5% 8th
  • Other 2%21st
• Target Distribution:
  • WR 62% 11th
  • TE 16% 28th
  • RB 21% 12th
• Run Direction:
  • Left 46% 29th
  • Right 53% 4th (they love to run behind Penei Sewell)
• Run Gap:
  • Guard aka A Gap 15% 32nd
  • Tackle aka B Gap 49% 1st (Decker and Sewell are stalwarts)
  • End 35% 16th
• Go For It
  • 4th Down 31.6% 1st
  • 2 pt conv 9.2% 15th
• Style Concentration (GINI coefficients tell us how concentrated - or dispersed - teams are in their usage of receivers, rushers, personnel types, and formations)
  • Target GINI 26th
  • Rush GINI 9th
  • Personnel GINI 26th
  • Formation GINI 22nd

 

[travdogg]

Gibbs in round 3/4 and Monty in round 8 seems right to me.

If I’m able to get him in the 8th round I’ll have a better than average chance of winning my league.
He will be the goal line back, as has been said he will be on the field more than Williams as he is a dual threat.
See him and Gibbs being on the field at the same time frequently.
Playing with a very good offensive line in a high powered offense he will score points.
Lions went after him because they saw him as an improvement and felt that their running game was inefficient. Lions are a running team and gave him a big contract. Very solid RB 2.

I just don't agree with the bolded. I think he could be the GL RB but its no lock. I don't think the Williams role exists, but was just a byproduct of the lack of trust/faith in Swift. I think Montgomery will be on the field less than Williams was, because Gibbs>Swift.

I also think the idea that Monty will be used more because they went out and paid for him is faulty. They didn't know they were getting Gibbs when they signed him, they knew they had Monty when they drafted Gibbs.

I'm thinking at least 60-40 in Gibbs favor, with no defined GL RB (think Jones/Dillon) is more likely than just plugging them into a Swift/Williams dynamic. As such, I doubt I'll have any Monty shares as someone will inevitably like him more than me, while I'll probably end up with Gibbs in many drafts.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I see Monty as a rock solid FF RB2

100% agree. And what I like even more about his profile is that he's the lesser hyped half of the RBBC. Lions were 3rd in the NFL in RB touches last year and that was with a pretty awful defense during the first half of the season.

 

[nysfl2]

Monty and Gibbs will be on the field at the same time. Potentially a lot.

I'd fully expect Monty to be the gl back and should get 10+ tds.

 

[jon_mx]

Monty and Gibbs will be on the field at the same time. Potentially a lot.

I'd fully expect Monty to be the gl back and should get 10+ tds.

Exactly. Monty will see about 67 percent of the snap, with Gibbs also in the game about half of those snaps being move around all over the place. There is really no split between the two. Monty is the primary back in this offense getting the most carries. But Gibbs will have more yards and will get upwards of 70 receptions.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Monty and Gibbs will be on the field at the same time. Potentially a lot.

I'd fully expect Monty to be the gl back and should get 10+ tds.

Exactly. Monty will see about 67 percent of the snap, with Gibbs also in the game about half of those snaps being move around all over the place. There is really no split between the two. Monty is the primary back in this offense getting the most carries. But Gibbs will have more yards and will get upwards of 70 receptions.

I enjoy the certainty of your posts.

 

[JohnnyU]

Monty and Gibbs will be on the field at the same time. Potentially a lot.

I'd fully expect Monty to be the gl back and should get 10+ tds.

I agree with the 2nd sentence only.

 

[jon_mx]

Monty and Gibbs will be on the field at the same time. Potentially a lot.

I'd fully expect Monty to be the gl back and should get 10+ tds.

I agree with the 2nd sentence only.

I guarantee the first one is accurate. MCDC is crystal clear that he does not view Gibbs as a RB.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Should be a decent amount of 21 and 22 formations.

 

[JohnnyU]

Monty and Gibbs will be on the field at the same time. Potentially a lot.

I'd fully expect Monty to be the gl back and should get 10+ tds.

I agree with the 2nd sentence only.

I guarantee the first one is accurate. MCDC is crystal clear that he does not view Gibbs as a RB.

How is that a good thing overall?

 

[jon_mx]

Monty and Gibbs will be on the field at the same time. Potentially a lot.

I'd fully expect Monty to be the gl back and should get 10+ tds.

I agree with the 2nd sentence only.

I guarantee the first one is accurate. MCDC is crystal clear that he does not view Gibbs as a RB.

How is that a good thing overall?

Because of how Ben Johnson runs the offense. Gibbs creates a matchup nightmare. Johnson creates formations and runs several plays out of it. Right when the defense kind of figures it out, Johnson throws a completely different twists and takes advantage of a mismatch. Gibbs will get lots of targets and will be in great position to make big plays.

 

[Faust]

The Athletic’s Colton Pouncey believes David Montgomery and Jahmyr Gibbs will be “co-starters” in the Lions backfield this season.

Though Montgomery is usually the first back to take reps with the Lions’ first-team offense, Gibbs “gets plenty of reps” and is deployed as a pass catcher, per Pouncey. “Given Gibbs’ receiving skills, I’d expect the snap distribution to look pretty similar. The Lions can even play them together,” Pouncey said. Lions general manager in July called Gibbs — the sixth overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft — an “elite multi-purpose weapons,” comparing him to Marshall Faulk and Christian McCaffrey. While the rookie will have plenty of PPR juice, it’s Montgomery who could see the lion’s share of the goal line work left vacated by Jamaal Williams.

 

[Chaka]

If I had a nickel for every time over the last 30 years I have heard a team talk about deploying two RBs at the same time and then it never materialized, I'd have, IDK, maybe $16.35

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Monty and Gibbs will be on the field at the same time. Potentially a lot.

I'd fully expect Monty to be the gl back and should get 10+ tds.

Exactly. Monty will see about 67 percent of the snap, with Gibbs also in the game about half of those snaps being move around all over the place. There is really no split between the two. Monty is the primary back in this offense getting the most carries. But Gibbs will have more yards and will get upwards of 70 receptions.

I enjoy the certainty of your posts.

Also they lead me to think the Lions will go 17-0 every season.

 

[The Frankman]

David Montgomery rushed 21 times for 74 yards and a touchdown in the Lions’ Week 1 win over the Chiefs.

Montgomery was not targeted in the passing game but still out-touched buzzy rookie Jahmyr Gibbs 21-9. Gibbs, unsurprisingly, appeared to be more the explosive player, but the Lions valued Montgomery’s tough running and pass blocking. The latter was marred at one point by a Nick Bolton pancake, but it didn’t cost Montgomery any snaps. Montgomery’s touchdown was a rugged eight-yard number in the fourth quarter. Tonight was basically exactly what you would expect if you thought the Lions were going to recreate their Jamaal Williams/D’Andre Swift backfield with D-Mont and Gibbs. Things could change, but Montgomery is looking like a touchdowns-based RB2 heading into Week 2 against the Seahawks.

 

[Judge Smails]

Loved his usage. Wait to they get in the dome at home against weaker teams.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Was running against a ton of 7 or 8 in the box (sometimes 9 lol)

They really got a good push in the 4th quarter though, the OL was mailing them

they didn’t trust Gibbs in pass pro though - but it’s only week 1

 

[kyoun1e]

Was running against a ton of 7 or 8 in the box (sometimes 9 lol)

They really got a good push in the 4th quarter though, the OL was mailing them

they didn’t trust Gibbs in pass pro though - but it’s only week 1

Got Montgomery in round 7. Was targeting him with more or less a zero RB strategy. I liked what I saw last night.

Hoping he has a bit of receiving value. He was in on 3rd downs and ran some routes, but Goff didn't look his way.

I'm seeing him as J. Williams "Plus" this year.

That said, Gibbs share of the pie will increase each week. He's special. Think Detroit has their version of Kamara/Ingram.

 

[Banger]

posted this about Monty in the Gibbs thread...he looked like a lesser Jamal Williams to me. He ran for 3.5 ypc against a team that's not good against the run without their best player. He did get volume, yes, but I would not be too excited if I were a Monty owner. I see a Zeke/Pollard type of backfield from last year.

 

[FarFromHome]

Those Monty owners have to be feeling good this morning.

 

[Drake Hater]

Monty's the floor back. Not targeted in the passing game was expected right? Even with that status he'll get some spikes, esp with RZ usage. But Gibbs is the back to own. Ceiling is sky high.

 

[MCFootball123]

Montgomery is certainly not a lesser J. Williams. Monty is a lot better than many give him credit for. KC knew Detroit's gameplan w/ no Chris Jones was to pound the rock and they sold out to stop it. Monty was running against overloaded boxes all game. It's a long season and this is the first game. Loved the usage.

Over the season I expect this to be more of a 60/40 split, but Monty is probably going to have 15 TD's this year - also expect more catches as things roll on as well.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Monty was running against overloaded boxes all game.

7, 8 and sometimes even 9 in the box

people posting the OL struggled to create holes don't understand line play

by the 4th quarter the big guys were mauling the Chiefs - that was no accident, that was by design

wore 'em down

old school win, that one's for Coach Dan - that's an identity creator win

we've seen what Ben Johnson can do, other weeks they'll be WAY more creative

last night they wanted to win in a particular way, not for the sake of machismo but bc Chris Jones wasn't there

 

[Pots]

posted this about Monty in the Gibbs thread...he looked like a lesser Jamal Williams to me. He ran for 3.5 ypc against a team that's not good against the run without their best player. He did get volume, yes, but I would not be too excited if I were a Monty owner. I see a Zeke/Pollard type of backfield from last year.

Monty owners: Got the tough carries. Didn't go down on first contact. Great usage. Reliably moved the ball.
Gibbs owners: 3.5 ypc, looked slow, if you take away his TD run...

 

[zoonation]

Not very excited as an owner. Will be entirely touchdown dependent and Gibbs' share is only going to increase. Also not a single target in the passing game. Boom/Bust flex.

 

[Gally]

Not very excited as an owner. Will be entirely touchdown dependent and Gibbs' share is only going to increase. Also not a single target in the passing game. Boom/Bust flex.

I am the complete opposite. I was extremely happy with the usage. He is going to get the ball a lot. I think he is a solid floor option with the TD potential every week. Not flashy but will be around 70 yds every week. I see that as his floor based on last night's usage.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Not very excited as an owner. Will be entirely touchdown dependent and Gibbs' share is only going to increase. Also not a single target in the passing game. Boom/Bust flex.

He's the kind of player that I am going to try to sell all season and not get any buyers while he quietly puts up rb2 numbers the whole year. The most important thing to me is that KC sold out to stop the run and Detroit still won. I don't see why the Detriot coaches will look at a game where they upset the defending champs and decide they need to overhaul their gameplan. They want a grinder to wear down teams with their Oline and Montgomery looked suited for that role.

 

[Da Guru]

Monty looks a lot like Williams from last year. Both a little bit of plodders.

TD production can`t be predicted since many times last year Lions had first and goal from the 1-2 yard line. From there I expect money to get the ball as he does look powerful if not blazing fast.

As far as Gibby goes he looks fast and elusive. Even though he runs hard he looks so small out there. Will be interesting to see how he is used or not used in goal line packages.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not very excited as an owner. Will be entirely touchdown dependent and Gibbs' share is only going to increase. Also not a single target in the passing game. Boom/Bust flex.

I am the complete opposite. I was extremely happy with the usage. He is going to get the ball a lot. I think he is a solid floor option with the TD potential every week. Not flashy but will be around 70 yds every week. I see that as his floor based on last night's usage.

Same. Said so on the game topic.

He’s a lock RB2 every week in that offense. And the JaaWill 1 yard TDs are coming.

 

[MCFootball123]

Not very excited as an owner. Will be entirely touchdown dependent and Gibbs' share is only going to increase. Also not a single target in the passing game. Boom/Bust flex.

I am the complete opposite. I was extremely happy with the usage. He is going to get the ball a lot. I think he is a solid floor option with the TD potential every week. Not flashy but will be around 70 yds every week. I see that as his floor based on last night's usage.

Same. Said so on the game topic.

He’s a lock RB2 every week in that offense. And the JaaWill 1 yard TDs are coming.

Yeah and a lot of them. When you take a step back and look at how this team is structured. Strength of the team is the middle of that line. When they get in close Monty is going to be the guy 80+% of the time - why wouldn't he be? Why would you beat up your Ferrari(Gibbs) like that when you got a Jeep Wrangler?

There isn't a big outside receiver who is going to demand those targets and Goff ain't running it. IMO they will hit Gibbs and St Brown creatively in the redzone and both will score, but inside the 5-10 it's going to be a lot of Monty, and to a lesser extent I could see Laporta sniffing 8-10 TD's as well. Monty w/ 15TD's - book it.