He had 16 plus carries across his senior season vs SEC players. Had a foot injury that caused him to miss 2 games. Next game, 36 carries 200+ yards vs LSU and he was the offense in an upset win.
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RB De’Von Achane, MIA (4 Viewers)
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chad in Indy
Footballguy
Only this is the NFL.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Which is riddled with defensive players from LSU.
The whole size = player is more likely to be hurt is a pretty much a myth but a popular one.
Small sample, but Achane is doing better in the NFL in coach McDaniel's offense. The next few games vs better opponents and when Wilson might return will be telling. Talent usually wins out, so I'm expecting Achane and Mostert to be the 2 main backs.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
I'm more saying that a RB under 190 being successful is doubtful. Under 200 is rare. Sproles and Dunn are the only 2 I can think of that have been successful. For fantasy FB, I'd be selling high v. trying to catch lightning in a bottle.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I always light up before I make trade offers
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'll remind everyone that Warrick Dunn was 5-9/185 most of his career.
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Almost 11,000 rush yds and over 2,600+ carries,
510 catches for a RB
All but 1 of his 12 year career was over 1,000+ yds combined every year!
One fo the most reliable 2-way threats as a RB
I hope the HoF can one day see what he accomplished, over 15,000 rush/rec yds from scrimmage
-Achane is a long way from being able to do what Dunn did over 12 years but lets not just toss him out because he doesn't quite hit a certain weight
I appreciate where you are coming from, if you scroll thru the thread you will see I was all over this kid coming out of college and I had no idea Miami would get him but I did actually post #84 pick, would be a good investment for Miami to find a new RB with some Home Run capability, did you watch the Miami game or just the highlights? I did post a video with every single one of his touches and I think it's eye opening that he is fearless running between the Tackles but I would prefer they keep him running outside.
Keep an open mind bud, that's all I'm saying.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Well keep on thinking that I guess but prepare to be proven wrong as we have James Cook, Jamyr Gibbs and Devon Achane all fitting this description this year and turning this perspective on its head.
That has nothing to do with these players being more prone to injury or not being able to handle a larger workload which was your previous claim.
Its something that has been hard to test as there just have not been many high profile RB with low weights in the NFL to test this by before. However I did read a study that was done about this shared by another poster here recently that showed the players weight did not lead to those players being more injured than other players were. What that study did find is that players who have been injured are more likely to be injured again at some point in the near future than players who were not. But being lighter or heavier didn't have much or anything to do with that.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Scroll down a bit. I cited Dunn as an outlier. I'm not throwing him out, I'm just saying the odds are extremely slanted against a RB this size AND he's a rookie. Dynasty, you prob gotta hold. Redraft, I'd be testing the waters for trade.I'll remind everyone that Warrick Dunn was 5-9/185 most of his career.
Warrick Dunn Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the latest stats for Warrick Dunn. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.
Almost 11,000 rush yds and over 2,600+ carries,
510 catches for a RB
All but 1 of his 12 year career was over 1,000+ yds combined every year!
One fo the most reliable 2-way threats as a RB
I hope the HoF can one day see what he accomplished, over 15,000 rush/rec yds from scrimmage
-Achane is a long way from being able to do what Dunn did over 12 years but lets not just toss him out because he doesn't quite hit a certain weight
I appreciate where you are coming from, if you scroll thru the thread you will see I was all over this kid coming out of college and I had no idea Miami would get him but I did actually post #84 pick, would be a good investment for Miami to find a new RB with some Home Run capability, did you watch the Miami game or just the highlights? I did post a video with every single one of his touches and I think it's eye opening that he is fearless running between the Tackles but I would prefer they keep him running outside.
Keep an open mind bud, that's all I'm saying.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I wish I could remember who posted it to give them credit, but I can't. It just really made sense to me. The premise of the post was the evolution of the games offenses which in turn pushed for this modern RB. Days are gone with every primary rb on each team being over 6 ft and over 210 lbs. Offenses have shifted to passing and quick striking. So due to that shift, a modern RB evolution is happening. What we see more of is this smaller rb types that fit that scheme. We just haven't had a period in the league where there is so many successful 190 lb rbs. I think soon we won't even have that idea of he is too small at 190.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
The odds are stacked against most men of any size playing in the NFL one day so he'a already beaten a whole bunch of peopleScroll down a bit. I cited Dunn as an outlier. I'm not throwing him out, I'm just saying the odds are extremely slanted against a RB this size AND he's a rookie. Dynasty, you prob gotta hold. Redraft, I'd be testing the waters for trade.I'll remind everyone that Warrick Dunn was 5-9/185 most of his career.
Warrick Dunn Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the latest stats for Warrick Dunn. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.
Almost 11,000 rush yds and over 2,600+ carries,
510 catches for a RB
All but 1 of his 12 year career was over 1,000+ yds combined every year!
One fo the most reliable 2-way threats as a RB
I hope the HoF can one day see what he accomplished, over 15,000 rush/rec yds from scrimmage
-Achane is a long way from being able to do what Dunn did over 12 years but lets not just toss him out because he doesn't quite hit a certain weight
I appreciate where you are coming from, if you scroll thru the thread you will see I was all over this kid coming out of college and I had no idea Miami would get him but I did actually post #84 pick, would be a good investment for Miami to find a new RB with some Home Run capability, did you watch the Miami game or just the highlights? I did post a video with every single one of his touches and I think it's eye opening that he is fearless running between the Tackles but I would prefer they keep him running outside.
Keep an open mind bud, that's all I'm saying.
-When I see Bryce Young taking snaps, I say "OMG, that dude looks like he should be in Pop Warner" but when I look at Achane, he doesn't look fragile to me.
-Achane is not going to run a lot of people over I give you that but when you see how he spins out of tackles, he's slippery. I wouldn't focus on all the easy reasons we could list why Achane is a long shot. Mike McDaniel has been watching him for a long time and had designed plays in his head he could use Achane, they had been communicating while Achane was at Tex A&M
-He's a got a Pro Bowl QB, All-Pro WR, another Pro Bowl WR and a complimentary 4.3 1A/1B to team up with him in the backfield
All Pro Left Tackle, Pro Bowl Center and a very underrated RG that is always rated highly in Robert Hunt
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Hey good on you to be able to change your mind when new information comes to light.
Some people are incapable of doing that.
See how Chad is moving the sticks already talking about RB less than 190 lbs? When Achane is listed at 188 lbs?
At some point there is going to be a limit to this, its just physics. But yeah as you say the game keeps changing and evolving over time.
eta - On a personal note I am guessing you have been in the military or are closely affiliated with people in the military based on your user name.
As a former NCO in the Army myself one of my many responsibilities was to record soldiers weight and PT scores 4 times a year. What I learned from that experience is that soldiers weights would change by a few pounds more or less every 3 months. Its not a static measurement. It keeps changing over time by a few pounds each time it was measured. The Army with extensive studies about health and these metrics is looking for soldiers to be lighter than they actually are. There are reasons for this as being lighter tends to mean you are healthier and have better endurance than if you are heavier. Also more specifically for airborne soldiers being lighter actually helped reduce injuries from jumping believe it or not.
The irony of this is when soldiers would be heavier than the desired weight for their height they would be assigned extra PT to try to help them get closer to that weight. But what would happen when they got extra PT is they would add more muscle which weighs more than fat does and they would actually gain weight from the extra PT rather than losing it. The corrective action would not meet the desired result. Extra PT does not hurt anyone so its not really a big deal. I just found that pretty funny.
Anyhow quibbling about 2 lbs from a certain cut off in my opinion based on facts is pretty silly when I know those weights keep changing by a few pounds here or there over time.
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chad in Indy
Footballguy
Stop. You've taken my general skepticism and altered it to paint me as a person "incapable of changing my mind." You also have changed my narrative of extremely low level of success for RBs under 200 and even rarer for under 190 to "quibbling over a few pounds" acting like I'm going from only 190 to 187. I don't mind having differences of opinions, but don't do that.
MOP made some good points that Achane's success rate will be better bc of the O-line and 2 WRs defenses will have to deal with. Yes, shifts happen. But I like stats when making decisions. Right now, MY TAKE is it's smarter to sell high then hope Achane will will be the benchmark of the new RB moving forward. Denver is prob the second worse team in the NFL besides Chicago. I watched the All-22 replay of the Miami/DN game. Achane demonstrated good vision at the second level. Reads at the line of scrimmage are unknown because the holes were huge and he didn't really have to think (Not his fault and I'm not going to ding him for it.) The holes were just massive and obvious. Trent Richardson coulda racked up 5 ypc in that game. I want to see him play against a strong run defense a few games and then I'll adjust my line of thought. Right now, I'm sticking with my hypothesis. Just please don't paint me as a person who will never change my views.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
in over Rhamondre. I think Zeke has been doing some lobbying this week for increased touches against his old team
Coming off his 203 rushing yards in which he averaged 11.3 yards per attempt vs. Denver, Dolphins’ rookie RB De’Von Achane has earned an increased workload and the team is expected to try to use him more, per a source. Miami’s issue is its depth at running back. Raheem Mostert has played well and the team also likes Salvon Ahmed, who is questionable for Sunday due to a groin injury. Jeff Wilson Jr. is expected to come off the PUP list and return to practice soon.
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The Dolphins also like UDFA Chris Brooks who excelled in the preseason at running and receiving, and played well in garbage time last week. Depth at RB is not an issue this week. Last year, Miami used 2 RBs extensively in most games. I expect equal opportunities for Mostert and Achane today.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Appologies. Too many discussions on this topic from people who have been intractable on their views about it in the past I guess. Unfair for me to include you in their company.
But he is too small brah.
It's all so whacky to be discernable. All I know is I drafted him heavily as my RB3 and dropped all shares of him last week.
Thank you for your input.
Yea, it'll be interesting to see how they are deployed in a more "regular" game. My guess is it'll generally be 50/50 but Achane might be 1a when tied or trailing and Mostert will be 1a when protecting a lead.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
No.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
6 TDs in the last 6 quarters...crazy
Val Rannous
Footballguy
Drake Hater
Footballguy
League winner
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
YEP
He was also targeted on a pass in the end-zone. As a runner he's fast and tough between the tackles. The 55-yarder:
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Can't-Miss Play: De'Von Achane Is Off to the Races on 55-Yard Run
Miami Dolphins De'Von Achane is off to the races on 55-yard run.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Achane IS special. CJ2K vibes for sure.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
THE RB1
top dog
Footballguy
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
Wheneve he touches the ball now, I start saying this Phil Totolla line and add his name at the end - https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/5c968c88-4bf0-4368-9043-5b18ca792122
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
The crazy thing to me watching him is that he doesn't appear small. I get that his height/weight are lower than the standard for his position, but I don't see it on the field. This guy is a star. Fast, slippery and powerful. Up and coming and still proving himself, but he literally jumps off the screen at you. I would have a hard time trading this guy unless I got an absolute haul in return. Certainly not looking for a buy low sell high type thing for another RB. There are only a couple RBs out there I would trade him SU for at this point and his value hasn't reached those absurd levels....yet.
metoo
Footballguy
You sat him for Sanders and Evans? Please, never do that again. Treat him as a RB1.
top dog
Footballguy
Be careful what you wish for there. My track record on choosing starters isn't so hot.You sat him for Sanders and Evans? Please, never do that again. Treat him as a RB1.
The guy literally had 1 carry before he went nuts week 3. Wanted to make sure it wasn't an aberration. I did consider starting him over Evans due to Lattimore having his number but ultimately went with "Never bench your studs". STRONGLY considered putting Achane in over Sanders when sanders had an injury designation but when he didn't have one on Sunday before kickoff I thought "Don't over think it. You make that switch 10 minutes before kick off it always blows up in your face". I hate this game.
titusbramble
Footballguy
It's still going to be some sort of committee, but it's trending the right way for Achane owners for sure
Banger
Footballguy
they got similar touch counts but Achane went for 8-101 and Mostert 7-9. I don't think Mostert will disappear but you can't put the genie back in the bottle...
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
"Don't over think it. You make that switch 10 minutes before kick off it always blows up in your face". I hate this game.
I don’t have stats but my feeling is that last minute lineup changes tend not to be a net positive.
Val Rannous
Footballguy
You couldn't have said this yesterday before I benched him in the last 10 minutes for Cook? "Never Again Will I Bench My Studs, And Achane Is A Stud." Gotta staple that somewhere I can see it every Sunday morning..."Don't over think it. You make that switch 10 minutes before kick off it always blows up in your face". I hate this game.
I don’t have stats but my feeling is that last minute lineup changes tend not to be a net positive.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
You couldn't have said this yesterday before I benched him in the last 10 minutes for Cook? "Never Again Will I Bench My Studs, And Achane Is A Stud." Gotta staple that somewhere I can see it every Sunday morning..."Don't over think it. You make that switch 10 minutes before kick off it always blows up in your face". I hate this game.
I don’t have stats but my feeling is that last minute lineup changes tend not to be a net positive.
I didn’t know.
ahartig
Footballguy
You couldn't have said this yesterday before I benched him in the last 10 minutes for Cook? "Never Again Will I Bench My Studs, And Achane Is A Stud." Gotta staple that somewhere I can see it every Sunday morning..."Don't over think it. You make that switch 10 minutes before kick off it always blows up in your face". I hate this game.
I don’t have stats but my feeling is that last minute lineup changes tend not to be a net positive.
Don't feel too bad, I benched him 2 minutes before kickoff for Jerome Ford....luckily my opponent had an off week, but damn those last minute changes can suck. He is locked into my RB2 spot moving forward.
Val Rannous
Footballguy
Unfortunately I ran into Lamar Jackson and the Cowboys D. I would have won had I started Achane and Richardson, but my crystal ball is apparently on the fritz.You couldn't have said this yesterday before I benched him in the last 10 minutes for Cook? "Never Again Will I Bench My Studs, And Achane Is A Stud." Gotta staple that somewhere I can see it every Sunday morning..."Don't over think it. You make that switch 10 minutes before kick off it always blows up in your face". I hate this game.
I don’t have stats but my feeling is that last minute lineup changes tend not to be a net positive.
Don't feel too bad, I benched him 2 minutes before kickoff for Jerome Ford....luckily my opponent had an off week, but damn those last minute changes can suck. He is locked into my RB2 spot moving forward.
