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RB Derrick Henry, BAL (2 Viewers)

Hankmoody said:
and Murray is still producing Murray could be there 2018 also.

$6.5M is cheap if Murray is still performing.

Those are literally the same thing. 
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OK, not sure why it's a big deal, but "unlikely" and "could" versus "cheap" and "easily." Your snippet ignores:

2018 is pretty unlikely
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You said he's unlikely to be there in 2018 and I'm telling you that I think it is very likely (cheap, I think he's better and he's still got a lot of tread IMHO) that he is there in 2018. Those are certainly not literally the same thing, but again, not a big deal. I wasn't arguing with you. No need to get all up in arms. We agree that there's a chance he's there in 2018, but we differ on the likelihood.

 
Had a big explanation on my thinking but I don't want to derail the Derrick Henry thread with lots of DeMarco Murray speculation hehe.  Suffice to say I have a strong belief in Henry being successful and that would have a big impact on my reasoning.  Murray has looked outstanding for sure, but Henry has flashed too and I think once he gets his shot he'll show he can carry it and they will end up going with the young and cheap guy at some point.

 
Murray is probably retiring a Titan and staying in TEN the rest of his life. If ever there was a person that fell in love with a city and it's culture, it's him in TEN. He not only loves it, but has started moving his family there too. 

He is one of the best right now. That wasn't expected in preseason or the day they drafted Henry. The best don't get benched or pushed aside. Henry's dynasty FF people are going to have to choke that down a bit. 

"He was only good because of Dallas' excellent offensive line" and here we are with Russ Grimm building an extremely impressive one. Lewan and Conklin have both been top Ts at their position this season at different times. Spain has only allowed 2.5 sacks in his first 13 games or so and he is whom Murray runs behind most. Jones is unnoticable which is perfect for a C. Kline has been solid. Even if you subscribe to the Dallas theory, Grimm may be building another awesome line.

There is no rush here with Murray or Henry.

DeMarco Murray was the Titans leading receiver from the slot to start the season. He did very very well. Sharpe, Douglas, and Wright have actually been worse. I guess I never saw Murray run routes so well before. Murray has been very effective off of screens. He has done a very nice job picking up the blitz. When the time comes, he can definitely contribute in his "old age."

People are really jumping the gun here though. There's no rush. The Titans will make Mariota, Lewan, and Conklin super wealthy. They'll probably pay some defenders real well by that point. For all we know, there will be a money issue by the time Murray is a FA and they'll need him to take a non-star salary. 

I expect Murray to run for 14-1500 yards and Henry to become a trade rumor in the spring. I highly doubt he is moved, but seems like something we would commonly do. 

Many considered the Titans to have the worst RB corps in 2015 and 2014. They had arguably the worst OL in NFL history in 2015. They had a real quick fall from CJ and a Munchak line. Don't expect them to poke a stick at it.

They have a mess at WR. They have decade long problems of developing WRs and it's almost creepy how Sharpe is struggling like all those before him. How can you rationalize it through different coaches and QBs? They have old TEs and a coach that has a real soft spot for the TEs. Maybe there's a G they can't pass up in the draft, then they have four excellent young linemen. 

The Titans have drafted some wonderful athletes along the DL, but they don't play much. There's a point that playing them at TE, FB, and OLB is a bit much and they simply need some significant time along the DL to be properly evaluated.

They have a horrific hole at one ILB position that will certainly be filled this offseason.

McCourty is overpaid at 7 mil. Wright is ridiculous at 7 mil. Warmack will be gone. They're already way under the cap. Robinson is very calculated and savvy. He will have tons of money to play with and two #1s- the way the Rams are playing, it will be a high one again too. 

Andrews is the third string and he makes peanuts. If he gets paid like a normal 3rd string back, it'll be a raise.  The Titans have issues and moves to make. It won't be to poke a stick at the RBs.

 
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If Murray runs for 14-1500 yards, is the older one and the one with a decent sized contract, wouldn't the potential trade rumors expected be about him, not the young guy with all the tread left on his tires? 

 
Whats everyone doing with this guy? I have him stashed in a 12 team redraft where I dont own Murray.  Im strong at RB (DJ Blount Hill Ware D Lewis) and Ive held him because hes percieved as a game changer if Murray goes down.  For some reason Dixon is on my wire.  I think Im done with Henry.

 
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Fireballer said:
Whats everyone doing with this guy? I have him stashed in a 12 team redraft where I dont own Murray.  Im strong at RB (DJ Blount Hill Ware D Lewis) and Ive held him because hes percieved as a game changer if Murray goes down.  For some reason Dixon is on my wire.  I think Im done with Henry.
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Henry does far more for you than Dixon, if he becomes the lead. You're not starting Dix over any of your other RBs anyway...

 
Yeah youre probably right.  Thats been my thought all along. It was just discouraging that he barely saw the field against Indy.  Does he have pass prot. issues?  They were in catch up mode alot.  Maybe that why.  I guess I havent been holding for him to get a small slice of the pie, but a lotto ticket if Murray goes down.

 
Who watched the game and can give us a feel of Henry's usage? Did he actually start the game at RB?  I was reading box score and it looked like he got 1st carry for Tenn and was mixed in pretty well in the 1st half.  Definiteley positive for us holding onto lotto ticket, but obviously hes still a flex at best unless Murry goes down.

 
Good luck guessing.  In a big divisional game against the Colts last week, he got ZERO touches, so I'm not sure that coaching staff even knows what they will do with him. 

 
Am I the only one that has a feeling that they are going make it more over a 60/40 or 50/50 split in touches between Murray and Henry after the bye? I really do see this happening after the bye and that they will ease a bit on Murray,cut down on his carries as he has been hurting the last couple weeks too(Breaking down a bit). They need Murray fresh for the playoff run and for the play-offs if they make it... Now  Henry might step in with much fresher legs and he might end up doing more with his touches than Murray will the rest of the way. I have a feeling Henry could be a very serviceable RB down the stretch for fantasy owners as well. He'd be an instant Top  RB1 each week if Murray ever got hurt. 

 
Coach Mike Mularkey said the Titans' starting running back job will not be opened to competition for 2017.
"DeMarco Murray is the guy," Mularkey stated. "He has shown he is the guy and he will continue to be that guy." Derrick Henry averaged 4.45 yards per carry, scored five touchdowns, and caught 13-of-15 targets in a promising rookie year, but he will open 2017 as a complementary, game-plan-specific back. "Derrick, as you saw, some games he was more involved than others," Mularkey explained. "And a lot is based on how we are going to attack the opponent."

 
 
Source: titansonline.com
Feb 24 - 4:12 PM
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I acquired Henry last season in hopes I can sit one more year and allow myself to rebuild. 

Where do you rank Henry in dynasty, WITH Murray gone, then well say, coming into next season, where do you rank him?

I've seen talks of if Henry went to Dallas he would've dominated there blah blah blah, which I BELIEVE IS TRUE. But just how good is he? Any die hard fans? Anyone who doesn't like him?

from what I've seen with my eyes and on paper he is going to put up numbers in the future. BUY NOW WHILE YOU CAN

 
Brandon Will said:
I acquired Henry last season in hopes I can sit one more year and allow myself to rebuild. 

Where do you rank Henry in dynasty, WITH Murray gone, then well say, coming into next season, where do you rank him?

I've seen talks of if Henry went to Dallas he would've dominated there blah blah blah, which I BELIEVE IS TRUE. But just how good is he? Any die hard fans? Anyone who doesn't like him?

from what I've seen with my eyes and on paper he is going to put up numbers in the future. BUY NOW WHILE YOU CAN
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Google translator is good bit it still has a way to go.

 
Every year I look at the guys that went in the 1st round of my rookie drafts across my leagues and I see if they qualify in 2 categories.  Total Yards, and TD's.  For RB's (it's different for each position) my cutoffs are 499yds and 3.5 TD's.  If they get those numbers in a rookie year I tend to think they'll be ok.  Then in year 2 I look for 799yds and 5.5 TD's.  If they get those as well then he's a buy/hold type player.  If they don't get those then he's a sell/cut type of player.  Obviously Henry's only played one year so far, and even in a very limited time share he still reaches year 1 totals for both categories.  As someone who didn't necessarily like him coming out, this gives me some optimism for what he can do and possibly become when he takes over the mantle (which I think most of us assume that's why Tennessee drafted him).  

My little formula for it has worked out so far and has helped me avoid buying guys like Sankey, Michael Floyd, Tavon Austin and others.  

 
Zyphros said:
My little formula for it has worked out so far and has helped me avoid buying guys like Sankey, Michael Floyd, Tavon Austin and others.  
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Using this formula, how much would you have ridiculously overpaid for Trent Richardson after his rookie year?

 
tangfoot said:
Using this formula, how much would you have ridiculously overpaid for Trent Richardson after his rookie year?
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Luckily I didn't do that, but he did pass the year 1 test I've set forward.  However I try and wait for 2 years for guys I didn't draft personally and year 2 it was his TD's that didn't make the mark.  From my spreadsheet on first rounders, TD's seem to be a little more relative than yards to see if he's a buy or not.  So for example if player A gets the TD's but not the yards in year 1 it is a better sign going forward than player A getting the yards and not the TD's.  

With Richardson in year 2 not getting the TD's (but still getting the yards) needed to break my benchmark, he would not have been a target of mine after that.  

 
Zephros, what are your marks for WRs?  I use a similar method to yours but don't really have line in the sand type of figures.

 
In great situation. One of top 2 ol in football. Franchise qb and now top WR drafted. They didn't rush him in last year. Murray will start to get fewer touches. Worth more this year than last in dynasty. 

 
Jim Wyatt of TitansOnline.com said second-year RB Derrick Henry has made noticeable strides this offseason.

Wyatt believes Henry looks faster and hungrier than he did as a rookie. With that said, it's hard to envision him overtaking DeMarco Murray, who remains the Titans' unquestioned workhorse. The former Heisman Trophy winner logged 123 touches last year and can expect a similar workload as Murray's handcuff in 2017. Henry carries a seventh-round ADP at this juncture.

Source: titansonline.com 

Jul 9 - 9:24 AM
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Bri said:
Henry was dominant in the Titans (about) two scrimmages friday and saturday. 
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I have a feeling that Murray owners are going to be disappointed this year, even if Demarco stays 100% healthy. Henry is too good to keep off the field and have to think he's going to eat into Murray's production considerably more than last year.

 
Mularkey clarified a statement from the presser, Henry will only run with the ones through the rest of camp. 

Plenty of room to read into that in all sorts of ways

Titans signed Radcliff today due to Murray's injury. Mularkey said Murray looked good on the sideline. 

FWIW Murray only gave one day of full effort, full reps. Next day was light duty then he got pulled as injured.

 
Bri said:
Titans signed Radcliff today due to Murray's injury. Mularkey said Murray looked good on the sideline. 

FWIW Murray only gave one day of full effort, full reps. Next day was light duty then he got pulled as injured.
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 Murray will also likely look good on my opponents fantasy teams  this year also.

 I stumbled into that Murray ownership well last year (after swearing him off years ago), and I feel like I got away with bank robbery in 2 fantasy leagues.

Murray won't be  on any of my teams this year.

 He is on my "Congratulations" list.

 If you draft DeMarco Murray and beat me with him this year in fantasy, congratulations.

 Henry on the other hand, I will try and own everywhere I can.

TZM

 
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zamboni said:
I have a feeling that Murray owners are going to be disappointed this year, even if Demarco stays 100% healthy. Henry is too good to keep off the field and have to think he's going to eat into Murray's production considerably more than last year.
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TZMarkie said:
 Murray will also likely look good on my opponents fantasy teams  this year also.

 I stumbled into that Murray ownership well last year (after swearing him off years ago), and I feel like I got away with bank robbery in 2 fantasy leagues.

Murray won't be  on any of my teams this year.

 He is on my "Congratulations" list.

 If you draft DeMarco Murray and beat me with him this year in fantasy, congratulations.

 Henry on the other hand, I will try and own everywhere I can.

TZM
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I absolutely love the duo in real life but this will be a headache in ff.

Or become priest/LJ 2.0 :oldunsure:

 
Murray out this week and not likely to play much this preseason as per Wyatt/Aimee video

Amie? I can never remember how to spell her name.

 
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"There's not gonna be a pitch count as to who gets the ball more. We're not gonna force feed it to one guy or another"

but

"I would think if he(Derrick) had the same amount of carries(as last year) his production would be significantly even better"

Mularkey ALMOST said it's a timeshare

Everyone is going to dissect that "but" as him back-tracking or doesn't want to give plans away or somesuch

 
My guess from all my experience writing of the Titans and watching him everyday is that he is very close to naming Henry the starter. 

The Jets have a nice DL. If Henry rocks against them....I would really bet it becomes a 50/50 split

 
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